Behaviour is much more important for SMV than any superficial factors

urbancore · 2019-04-24T19:14:47+00:00

Never met a woman who knew shit about men's "watches or shoes". The 2 things they are supposed to look for. I wear a Rolex and ZERO women have ever picked up on it. I wear very expensive high quality, typically Italian, shoes and rarely do they ever notice.

They do notice "outfits", so to speak. But it is 99% how you carry yourself and interact with them and others.

I'm 5'7, but carry myself as if I was 6ft. I've been red-pilled my entire life, and after a divorce in my 20's (I let myself slip)....I rebuilt myself. Finding this group in 2015 helped me realize I wasn't the only one who had this belief system, which was GREAT.

My first day in my first Biology class at UT, the female professor stated " the male biological imperative is to mate with as many females as possible, the female imperative is to mate with the most physically capable (strong) male but to convince another male with the most resources to raise it" I already knew this basically, but to hear her state it that way...set me on my course for the rest of my life. I didn't need to read any books on the subject, I just new she was right, instantly.....it's science for fuck's sake.

I settled down and married a red-pilled Romanian woman (25 year old) and started a family at 45. Plan to raise my 2 year old daughter and 4 year old son to be red-pilled as my father/grandfather/mother taught me. Life is good boys, and it all starts with you. Lead and they will follow. But you better be someone worth following. Work on yourself RELENTLESSLY. Whatever the problem is, you are to blame, cause only you can solve it.

Cheers to all you boys, I truly appreciate you guys, even some of you that say really stupid shit. I've been there with you. But I've learned an implemented so many little techniques and for that, I thank you all. Onward....

Edit; couple of words.

CryptoViceroy · 2019-04-24T18:59:33+00:00

Very fast what matters is GAME. Frame, high value behaviour, dominance, leading, spiking emotions and dread. This is your under the iceburg, making 90% of attraction from that moment onwards.

This is why we constantly drive home the importance of hitting the gym and lifting weights.

Not only does it improve superficial factors, but more importantly it serves as a base from which your frame and self confidence can be derived.

As males we are always subconsciously aware of our size, strength and ability - which influences our behavior. We are aware that any disagreement or confrontation could potentially end in violence.

If you're a skinny dude who weighs <130lbs soaking wet, it doesn't matter how good you think your frame is, your brain is still very much subconsciously aware that you're weak asf. The second you get thrown into a dicey situation, your brain will nope the fuck outta there and your frame will nope outta there with it.

Once you've built your body up, once you know your strength and you're confident in your ability to defend yourself (should the need arise) the frame and dominance will come naturally.

MentORPHEUS · 2019-04-24T17:00:17+00:00

OP illuminates an important principle. A large portion of female attraction is based on behavioral traits which cannot be directly observed. This is why women shit test. It's a point that u/Whisper drives home frequently.

omega_dawg93 · 2019-04-24T20:01:31+00:00

good post OP. this is exactly why and how rich guys and good looking guys lose their women... or their women cheat on them with Chad a/o Tyrone.

$ doesn't make you alpha... neither does looks (tattoos, beards, muscles etc). if you bitch-up, it will dry up the pussy.

i know married guys that literally say, "throw some money at her to calm her down," not knowing that she uses that money to spend on their boy-toys. then she comes home happy with "dick breff" and a sore back.

women are attracted to masculinity and confidence. anytime you're not those two things, your behavior is being observed.

MAureliusTRP · 2019-04-25T03:44:08+00:00

I wish there was a good way to catagorize these behavioral traits. Unfortunately, that's what PUA's tried to do, have external game, whereas TRP is about cultivating self worth and confidence, thus improving your inner game.

None, the loss, some of the valuable traits are:

Stand up straight. Shoulders back, chest out
Maintain good eye contact
Speak slowly, with pauses, without filler words
Breaking Rapport intonation at the end of your sentences

This is just a starting list.

darksidessj25 · 2019-04-24T19:40:22+00:00

I behave in a High Valued way through body language and it fucking turns girls on. Things like walking with purpose will get you far with women. Standing wider instead of narrow. Leaning on things (locking in) Looking them dead in the eye etc. This is what they want. Plus if you're attractive you will even have a higher advantage. You gotta maximize your SMV as well though by grooming yourself properly. I stylize myself. I just copy the mannequins lol. I started to only like women that exhibited ALPHA female behavior mostly 8s and 9s. They too were attracted to me. I match with them on bumble but you know how it is over APPS it's just garbage. I caught this tall ass girl who looks like a model staring at me on Friday. I'm now texting her. I caught her eye contact and I was like hmm what she want. She looked down and played with apart of her hair.

This is what I been taught.

Shoulders back and relaxed
Look the world at eye level and don't ever look down
When you see an attractive girl look her right in the eye and project 1-3 words expressing desire.
1. You'll start to feel a zapping sensation after a while.

Imperator_Red · 2019-04-25T01:43:03+00:00

I think LTRs are hardmode because simply most men cannot master this consistently. Even “alphas” who are blue pilled were likely situational alphas, and lack the tools or inate mindset to pull off long term attraction.

It's essentially impossible. No on can be on with someone who knows them intimately all the time. I feel myself slipping with my LTR.

Nicolas0631 · 2019-04-24T20:47:28+00:00

In practice, I think all are valuable. Also being attractive also increase your confidence.

I remember scientific studies showing that couple that would last are composed of people with the same score. Not just SMV there, but overall score. You would score their physical appearence, they character, they money and so on. You'd adverage it and you use that score.

The thing is anyway, it always hard to really test what is more important by yourself as you only subject is yourself and your attractiveness and behavior are somewhat restricted in their range.

It isn't like a 2/10 with no confidence can become a 9/10 with low confidence or a 2/10 in confidence and that the last choice is ultimately better.

Both are essential and one shall improve on all aspects up to the max of his possibilities for best results.

icevermin · 2019-04-25T01:01:48+00:00

This is real shit. Just coming out of a LTR. Loved her, at least I thought I did. But I got stupid isnecure and demonstrated low SMV (I'm in a high value field) and bam, gone. Don't know how to keep that shit going strong. LTR is hard.

bouncypoo · 2019-04-26T01:21:22+00:00

I'd have to agree that behavior is ultimately the end all be all. Most are unable to emulate the appropriate behaviors cause they lack the value. In attaining value through lifting, attaining prestige, the body language follows. We all know good looking incels. Looks don't mean a ton unless, you have social skills or have other valuable traits. I've had women tell me they didn't think I was good looking initially, but then got to know me and all of a sudden I looked better. BS. My looks didn't change, they simply perceived me differently, which altered their perception. If you had a pound of worthless feces but everyone wanted to pay millions for it, it's worthless no longer. You will notice it's once vomit inducing smell has evolved into an edible fragrance.

wildtimes3 · 2019-04-24T15:32:28+00:00

Meh. If you want to speed run being fit is the emulator to play on. Game is important but it’s not as game breaking of a glitch, especially in the early stages.

antichrist_redpill · 2019-04-24T18:00:05+00:00

I need a real discussion, under ECs, about how much looks matter and how much game. I mean the more I invest into looksmaxxing the less becomes the changes. If I don't have to look always perfectly sharp oder have a 5h skin routine, I would invest my time better.

meowgoesdog · 2019-04-24T22:39:18+00:00

I think the title is correct in the way you argue but also incorrect in another:

How you look at first glance for a girl will instantly make her judge you based on how you appear, may it be clothes, hairstyle, your watch. This first glance and the interpretation that comes behind it will be added to her way of viewing you and everything you do from now on over. It could be "Damn, that guy looks hot and confident, like he knows what he's doing here, not like the rest of these drunk slobs", and if you are lucky enough to hit this Jackpot of a judgement then you know everything you say or do will be answered with "Haha gosh you are so funny...." or "Haha stop!!!". The other way goes if you are judged in contrast to this guy above, if you are seen as "Damn, that guy looks creepy as hell, please don't come over here and insult me by thinking you somehow deserve to have me", everything you do will be responded with "Fuck off creep" or "Leave us alone, we are having a girls night out".

Now your post has value, because just like any sort of thought or interpretation of a situation (or person, you) you can override her view by inserting your frame hard enough. But depending on the judgement you will either have to try really really hard, not hard at all, or you won't even have to try. So because of this fact I don't agree to say things like "Game>Looks" or in this case "Behavior>Looks". Anyway the way you look is basically partly a sum of various behaviors, if you are ripped it means you train, if you are unshaved and smell shit it means you don't take care of yourself, and this is actually what she is judging you out of ( I say partly because genetics also come into play, of course, sorry short asian guy). With this being said we actually argue the same thing, I simply don't agree that "on scene" behavior simply can override the way you look, because lifestyle behavior > current behavior (girls don't want someone that just acts rich, they want someone who actually is rich).

Psyyko · 2019-04-25T06:09:14+00:00

Thanks for the bro science. But no. Behaviour isn't more important than superficial factors. It can nulify superficial factors if you have an absolutely disgraceful behaviour, but you don't really need to have much game in order to bang quality girls if you're good looking. This is just a fact. One of the most successful guys i've known with girls is a disgusting low test beta that looks and sounds gay even though he is not. Not very smart, not dominant, not a good player, just a pretty face with very pretty eyes that girls always naturally gravitated towards.

Truedemocracy4 · 2019-04-24T21:50:30+00:00

Much easier to master game than master resources. Want a high smv? A fit body, form fitted shirt, and interesting personality will beat the dad bod in the rolex.

Aggressive_Beta · 2019-04-25T15:54:16+00:00

Inner game is the most important thing when it comes to controlling your SMV. But to those saying looks are more important than game: you can have the tightest external game in the world, but if you’re a fat ugly old man, it’s not going to give 18 year old college girls tingles.

BurnoutRS · 2019-04-26T12:26:30+00:00

Learn enough about fashion and styling to dress yourself well, and confidently. You will open your closet and be able to select an outfit without much thought.

I've identified two mindsets regarding fashion. The difference is external and internal motivation. People who dress with a nod towards external motivators, often dress themselves up in a compensatory manner. "I wanna get girls, I gotta look like money"

What happens when you take a girl out in that expensive new outfit and she spills coffee or wine on it? If half your SMV is riding on the appearance your clothing creates its gonna be a lot harder for you to maintain composure.

"Dressing like you have something to prove" presents the message that "I know Im not as valuable as Im trying to make it appear" Women pick up on that shit.

Dress comfortably, buy clothing within your price range, buy clothing you like, that fits you well, not because you think "thats the shirt that will make her see past the fat neckbeard to the true stud inside" fucking t shirt with a centaur on it

INNASKILLZ2K18 · 2019-05-08T11:06:16+00:00

OF course, and this is one of the basic flaws in the thinking of many guys who frequent ASKtrp. They believe that to trigger hypergamy, you just have to 'look' the part. They lift, dress better, get that haircut, then come here asking 'why aren't bitches falling in my lap'?

It's always been about behaviour. Superficial factors don't trigger the right emotions, or not long lasting ones.

I don't even think behaviours have to necessarily indicate your place in some mythical SMP. Your behaviours simply indicate your man with his shit together.

McVaghunter · 2019-04-25T08:47:14+00:00

SMV Money, nice watch, clothes, good looks

all the rolex watches, style and good looks wont save you.

Your definition of SMV is completely wrong, no wonder it did not save you. A SEXUAL MV, is high only when a man is SEXY when he's naked, stripped of his clothes, money and watch (who the fuck cares about the watch lol). I'm talking aesthetic chest, aesthetic back, aesthetic abs, aesthetic arms, aesthetic legs and a low body fat percentage. With a body like that you can pick up pussy and maintain it with your mouth shut.

94% Upvotes for a post recommending LTRs instead of a soft harem made by a guy who does not what SMV is. I am disappointed in this sub. People just upvote what they want to hear; It's hard work to workout, do cardio and meal prep, they want to hear someone giving them an excuse to stop working out because "all they need is Game". smh...

GanksGriefersForFun · 2019-04-28T16:08:03+00:00

I know guys who are 6'2 have 0 personality, can't talk to people, but still have girlfriends. How do you explain that?

They were the kids in highschool who never even tried to talk to girls. They only talked to their other friends with common interests and that's about it.

Our cliques were small. You were either with the hood basketball kids, the football jocks, the gym fanatic crowd, drama crowd or you were just a normie.

I know "cliques" sound like a flawed concept, but they work. I still only talk to my workout buddies from highschool as well as my 6'2 friend who has a GF.

We don't talk to any weird drama kids, top dog jocks or NBA players really. We notice them on social media, but in the end it's just cliques that survive the test of time.

and what did my friend even do besides staying in one clique? He didn't do anything, that's what. He never developed good social skills.

He's just tall.

and he has a GF on top of that, too.

Acting alpha seems like it works because you make girls laugh & get them to interact with you more, but at the end of the day, it's not doing you much good. Look at lower SMV hood kids who try very hard to be out-going. They're only having sex with bottom tier women, women who any guy could get with if they asserted themselves just a little, or women who are into dark triad guys. They typically like guys with big dicks and aren't afraid of admitting it. So, if you're average or slightly below, or severely below, you wouldn't keep one of these dysfunctional women anyways.

Trust me, you wouldn't want to be around them for more than 5 minutes anyways. I have to work with women who like dark triad guys and they're all the same. They're extremely annoying to be around.

I'm pretty much just stating everyone's subconscious out loud. Every guy here thinks this, but they just don't feel the need to say it, but I do.

I have to say it, because lookism or w/e you want to call it is real. It's been confirmed time and time again. If you're under 5'6, you're probably going years without much sex unless you're initiating just about every encounter.

If your face is at all rounded or feminine, women treat you different. They do. If you've ever been around women who come into contact with a literal Chad, they change their behavior so much. Just having the right bones in your face makes the difference. It makes you seem more competent.

What more can I say? I'm just stating the truth. Who cares about LTRs. LTRs only work in countries where it's practical. It's practical to have someone at home cooking if your one pay check can provide for a whole family.

It's practical to maintain a LTR if both of you help each other out. In the west, though, that's not even the case. Many women are working and can provide for themselves and they'd rather keep it that way so they can slut around. They aren't as religious and don't feel inclined to take on the role of motherhood or cleaning up the house. I'm not religious, so don't draw any conclusions on my part.

LTRs only work if both sides have roles to carry out.

Think about it. Please think about it. I'm not trying to sound generic, I'm just making sense.

If LTRs are no longer the focus, but working and keeping your guard up is the newer norm, then why would you want to try and make it work? Women are openly saying that they're making it harder for you. It shouldn't be that hard.

You have to look good and prove to them that you're perfect mentally and physically so they can rely on you and not their job?

If that's what you want....

lettucebogs · 2019-04-24T14:41:21+00:00

Another bluepill male hamstering post about muh GAME, looks beat everythingy deal with it.

Title	Behaviour is much more important for SMV than any superficial factors
Author	Just1515
Upvotes	335
Comments	114
Date	April 24, 2019 2:32 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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