Bagging a "10"

TheAlphaMale- · 2011-10-23T11:31:34+00:00

Now, I'm a 6.5 on a good day

She's a 10. If your personality hasn't worked this far and it seems like it isn't working, then yeah, she probably likes you in any other way except physical (which is why you're being friendzoned). If continuing to ignore her doesn't get you anywhere, you have to be direct. If that doesn't work, then you have to move on.

She's probably told her group something along the lines of: "He's cute, but I wouldn't do anything with him. He's just a nice guy to talk to." The reason she was making a "joke" about the lusting thing is because she isn't used to it.

She's a 10, so all guys will do pretty much whatever she says. That being said and from what I said before, if the ignoring doesn't draw her in closer or is more interested, you probably won't get a chance with her. You could always go for her friends instead. Unless she's the only hot one. Then that's unfortunate.

EDIT: Grammar.

nuckingFutz · 2011-10-23T14:23:00+00:00

Make sure to be seen with other women lusting after you. Not just entertaining them, but them physically trying to obtain your attention.

She's unlikely to go on a one-on-one date. Get her group involved and then isolate. Most 10's are afraid of being trapped with a guy on a date.

Ignore what she says about politics and current events. Talk about emotionally engaging stuff. If you do venture onto the pussy-drying topic of politics, keep it as emotional and personal to her as possible. Usually girls end up falling for exactly the thing they complain about the most. It's on their mind because they notice it; she doesn't even notice most guys.

Since when do women care about pragmatic offerings? Hot women date aloof, semi-abusive losers all the time. Even women with confidence and high self esteem. Especially women with confidence and high self esteem.

Non-neg disqualifies also work wonders. If she smokes, comment on how you don't like kissing girls who smoke. If she's tall, say you like more feminine girls you can wrap your arms around. Personality traits work better than physical ones, but I don't know her. Basically, take an attribute of hers, say how you like the opposite in a way that suggests something physical. It's human nature to say, "Hey, I can be like that!"

Find a way to isolate at a party. Kiss her once, well. Don't go for the boob, don't go for the make-out. Then say you shouldn't be doing that and head back to the group of friends. She'll be thinking about you for weeks.

Saint947 · 2011-10-23T08:48:20+00:00

The only thing that jumped out at me was:

In person, she pouts about how her ex and most men who hit on her are "meatheads" that she can't talk politics, current events, etc. with.

To me, that sounds like you've been friendzoned, and just don't know it yet. She feels "safe" telling you about her troubles. The consistent flake, her 10 status, and her choice to confide in you reeks of possible FZ.

psyocal · 2011-10-23T18:09:17+00:00

Slow the fuck down. This is the first thing I’d tell your brain/thought process. Women and Men DO NOT THINK THE SAME. What you consider a 6.5 or a 10 is what the next guy considers an 8.5 and a 7. Don’t let anyone tell you different.

In general, men are far more shallow than women, be thankful that you are on that side of the line. I’ll tell you right now, this girl is NOT a 10. A 10 does not exist. The second thing: your problem is that YOU’RE THINKING FOR HER.

1.) What does she like to do?

2.) What kind of date does she want?

3.) How should I make things nice for her?

You should ONLY be concerned with WHAT YOU WANT. You have no idea how much easier life will be once you grasp this concept.

“I suggested a local theater troupe's rendition of a Pulitzer-winning play that was finishing out its run.”

You seem like a smart guy, but what is this garbage? Sorry to seem rude, but I’m gonna go out on a limb and assume you want to sleep with/date her. Why would you waste time sitting in a movie theatre or a play theatre for 2 hours? That’s like saying, “I’d like to sit next to you for 2 hours without getting to know anything about you.” Grab some drinks with her. Go to a campus pub or something. You should always let a woman, you’re interested in, KNOW that you’re interested in her.

If you are serious about sleeping with her, tell her something along the lines:

I’m not gonna lie, I want to fuck the shit out of you (soft non threatening voice)

If you’re not a vulgar person, switch it up to something that suits your personality:

I’m not gonna lie, I wanted to sleep with you the moment I laid eyes on you. (it’s honest and direct)

The following one adds humor into the mix, and takes a lot of balls to pull off successfully.

I’d really just wanna make love to you, but we could get some drinks first if you’re nervous.

You’re a smart guy, you’ll figure it out. If she makes a big fuss about it, “OMG how can you say something like that? You are so forward!” You can be SURE, and I mean 100% SURE, that she wants you. Any time a girl gives you that much shit, she’s sexually frustrated and wants to make sure you’re serious about your offer. So don’t back down for a second. If she’s not interested, she won’t waste her time and energy trying to lecture you. The worst thing she could say is, “I’m not interested.” Anything in between = positive feedback.

You have to know that telling someone that you find them sexually desirable is the BEST compliment you can give them. They may not reciprocate that desire, but they can’t genuinely get angry at you.

Focus on sleeping with her for now. No matter how hard you want to date her, if she doesn’t enjoy sleeping with you, there’s a slim chance she’s gonna wanna date you.

Good luck.

debman3 · 2011-10-23T14:17:22+00:00

Every topic on seddit is about some afc having problems with a girl.

At least here is someone who has a problem with a 10. She flaked on you? Logical next step is to give up on her. I know other PUA that would give her a call in 3 weeks to decide weither she's definetely game over.

2011-10-23T10:45:44+00:00

Stop being a comedian, and start being more direct. All the joking and/or witty banter you two have done probably got you friend zoned.

redditorfor16days · 2011-10-23T12:42:31+00:00

like you're doing, i would enhance the distance, and make sure i'm busy and have somewhere to go right after class. engage other classmates, and have less to say to her. let her work for your attention, you already know she values it.

she made an almost pitiful joke about how I HAVE to be lusting after her. Once again, I casually brushed her off ("Yeah, yeah, OF COURSE I am").

i would've probably said the same thing, then kicked myself for hours for not telling her she was obviously projecting.

poopdeck · 2011-10-23T15:11:08+00:00

Upvote for spectacular vernacular.

2011-10-23T19:17:50+00:00

Also, humans are very consistent in their behavior. If her past is filled with dating meatheads, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the next guy she dates will be a meathead. Don't idealize this girl.

2011-10-23T15:25:04+00:00

Doubt she's a 10. Maybe in looks, but if she's in college she isn't a 10 yet. Anyways, you haven't stood out from the crowd enough.

postdarwin · 2011-10-23T13:03:18+00:00

as someone who offers no clear monetary, physical or status advantage over other men, she's making someone a weight class below her earn it

This sounds about right. If you had a wad of cash and a penthouse apartment things would be different.

But it remined me of something I think I heard from Sinn or Savoy about fixer-uppers. If women see potential for success/greatness/money/etc it's similar to seeing the real thing, only they get the satisfaction of being the one who recognised it early and/or nurtured you to full potential.

This probably is why so many hot chicks go for douchebags in struggling bands or loser artists -- like you, they don't have major status either.

Don't know if that's relevant or helpful. Just thinking out loud. Perhaps you can work it into your angle somehow?

BFdestroyer · 2011-10-23T10:36:43+00:00

Also keep in mind that just because she (or any other 10 most likely) has had everything given to her, it doesn't mean you have to, or should. If anything, showing that you're not going to give her what everyone else has is a DHV - Willingness to walk away.

2011-10-23T19:10:18+00:00

She'll be fucking the bartender soon enough while you're contemplating your next move. Attraction either happens or it doesn't. She flaked twice you need to move on. Go after her friends cause this one is a lost cause. FB is lame, inviting her everywhere is lame.. go to a bar and fuck a random hot girl. Get your head on straight first and pull her off her pedestal.

She just wants someone authentic AFC: how can I be that?

She wants someone to not take her out to dinner and movie AFC: how can I plan a great date for her.

I hope you see my point.

TheSOB88 · 2011-10-23T14:36:36+00:00

Just back off. Show her your interest is fickle, and you're not putting up with this flakey shit. Don't contact her at all for a while. She'll get the message either way, and she'll either contact you back or forget about you. Something you'll have to deal with, I guess. Meanwhile, go at it with some other chicks.

revtrot · 2011-10-23T16:10:37+00:00

have you heard of nightclubs?

you mentioned she is in college. what are the ages of both of you?

dinner and a movie? who the fuck does that? seriously? what is this the 1950's? are your parents going to chauffeur the event?

Spurnout · 2011-10-23T16:24:58+00:00

I wouldn't really dig the whole hatred of dinner and a movie thing. But I love movies so you'd be dropping a couple points off your HB status by saying that. Still...8 is pretty good.

anonymous_hero · 2011-10-23T16:28:12+00:00

Now where's all the typical bleating on about how the HB-scale is not about looks?

IV-65536 · 2011-10-23T17:47:33+00:00

You say you don't put women on a pedestal, but it looks like you have. Were you trying to use common seduction terms so that people would continue to read, thinking it was a FR, rather than ignoring it like they do with all the other "how do I get this one girl" topics? This is a oneitis-lite case. Additionally, you sound friendzoned.

glassuser · 2011-10-23T17:52:19+00:00

Next her and find another ten. Continued pursuit will only dig you deeper into that rut.

heckz · 2011-10-23T19:48:07+00:00

It's s not about figuring out how to get one woman it's how to be good with all women.

cuppajoe123 · 2011-10-24T00:26:33+00:00

yesterday, she made an almost pitiful joke about how I HAVE to be lusting after her.

Granted it's too late for this, but I would have questioned her on it: "What do you think I'm thinking? You need to support your claim, woman. Let's hear it."

She'll be reluctant to put words in your mouth while essentially flattering herself under your scrutiny as you listen to her answer. Boom. Ball back in your court.

MidnightThunderboy · 2011-10-24T11:25:26+00:00

I don't know if this is correct or not, but I would try to get her to go for dinner and a movie with me.

iznou · 2011-10-23T16:35:56+00:00

This is the kind of post we're supposed to downvote, guys. It's about a specific girl, and they guy didn't make any moves on her. Next!

50nlballer · 2011-10-23T20:22:31+00:00

BRO i read this advice & now i get with 10's 110% of THE TIME. LINK

cody_au · 2011-10-23T13:40:17+00:00

bag her

Disgraceful.

wauter · 2011-10-23T19:38:11+00:00

Sounds like you're doing perfectly fine, both in how you think about this in your head and how you interact with her - my guess is the reason for flaking was sincere and you're still on. Keep trying to set up a meet, in the same way you've been doing.

Don't fret it if it goes nowhere just because of the practical circumstances (as it seems to be to me) - it's shitty and frustrating as hell, but you are right that you often have only a short window to close, and it's not always your own fault if it doesn't happen within that window.

rebeccabrixton · 2011-10-23T22:52:57+00:00

As a hot girl (I'm not a 10 though but I used to be when I lived in a small town) I'm telling you she's interested...but not necc. to romance yet. No one ESP someone hot works on a one egg basis, she's aware these meat heads all break on her (she'll love the breaking!) and she's blates to me backburnering you, she wants to keep you around but is she investing in you? Nope. I say echo her attention to you and don't lay yourself out as a mug but then don't dry up. If she comes to you to hang out be sweet, then a while later ask her to kick about again (nothing date like) but make sure you're doing something fun where she gets to really see you, not have an audience to moan.

Title	Bagging a "10"
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Upvotes	60
Comments	75
Date	October 23, 2011 8:18 AM UTC (14 years ago)
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