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[–]Particular_Day_6888 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I mean there’s so many ways to go about it. You could call and set up a date, but what if she’s busy and couldn’t answer? More than likely, she’s not going to call you back, and you’d have to try another time. It’s 2022, text is the new call. Imo be aggressive and take a chance. If you have the funds, text her now and say, “Would love to continue our conversation at Target. I’m heading to ‘pick a restaurant’ for dinner. Come meet me.” If she says yes, then you have an impromptu meet up right then and there. If she says she’s busy, you just broke the ice, and can set up a date over text by saying something along the lines of, “aww bummer, how about next Friday?” Then just follow the general texting rules.
[–]noodlecham 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What are the general texting rules?
[–]Particular_Day_6888 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Basically, don’t double text. If you’re the last person to send a text, then wait until she texts back, don’t bug her, unless it’s going to go past 2 days without contact. Try to steer away from “wyd” texts unless you plan on making plans with them.
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[–]Particular_Day_6888 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean, let’s be honest here. If a man double texts you constantly, you’d be pretty annoyed. Plus if you follow the general rule, text once, and she doesn’t text back while almost 2 days has past, then it’s an automatic double text, which will be the OMG he double texted me, how sweet 😂
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[–]FranciscotheBull 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is why some guys are confused and/or get bad advice. You may think it is cute, which is fine and fair, but another woman will be completely turned off by it and call him thirsty, desperate, weird, has no game, and wants sex (either one of them or all).
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 145 points146 points147 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
God damn you people and your level 1 beginner questions. Don't text her conversations. Be assertive. Invite her to do something fun and charm her in person.
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 108 points109 points110 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Tryna text her about her favorite yogurt flavor while Chad's blowing her back out ... smh...
[–][deleted] 33 points34 points35 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Brutal lol
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Since this comment blowing up more, I'll repost my actual advice comment here:
There's different levels of girls. Some girls are so desperate, they'll reply to anything any guy says. There's girls who are the opposite. Then everywhere in between. If the girl is already interested in you, it's not too important what you say.
OP didn't provide much info, but I'll assume the latter is not the case. Since he doesn't even know how to talk to a girl, she's probably somewhat hot and his balls filled up and he got nervous and didn't get any overwhelmingly good body language from her. Now he needs to get her to like him.
Bros need to put themselves in womens' positions. WHY would a busy woman waste her time with a guy she's maybe barely slightly interested in, talking about "hows your day" or "hello wyd?" That is BORING. You are competing with her other options.
Meeting a girl should be: what she likes, get the number, take her to do the thing that she likes.
Imagine if it was the other way around. If you loved, say, basketball, and an ugly girl came up to you, asked you about your favorite subject, then took you to a game, wouldn't you eat her pussola? WHY would you ever deny that for someone who texts you "lol sup"
(And then also factor in that most women are submissive and love men to make decisions)
[–]syds 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u had me w chad's spunk forget the girl!
[–]chikan_teriyaki -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What do you mean with desperate girls? I thought those girls use dating apps and so forth arent actually desperate?
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wdym?
[–]dobbs1997 28 points29 points30 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I hope you don’t put “lmao” in the text, just set up the meeting asap and then go meet her, she may text back, she may not. Either way you don’t wanna waste time talking back & forth or waiting for a perfect time to text her, it’s not that serious.
[–]CautiousSea4815 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Co-sign. "LMAO" is a strange way to end a text, in that context. Makes you sound unsure of yourself and your text.
[–]Normal_Tutor391 27 points28 points29 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Don't overthink it, she is more likely to ghost than not. I had longer interactions where they were happy to give me their nr and they never responded. 'Hey, it's x from y' is good enough, it is what I use
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If she's a girl of any value, she's getting "hey wyd" texts from 30 different guys. Provide value to HER. Do you think she's responding to those, or the guy who is inviting her to do some fun activity?
[–]NikeTracksuit 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The value provided is you. You can't say anything that has value because her attraction to you is provided by who you are, not what you say. She will respond to him if she likes him enough, otherwise even being the most assertive guy in the world will not work.
[–]bobyd 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so what you suggest
[–]blebster92 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Good to know it's not just me :) literally my experience too.
[–]EladioV 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Happens to everyone in the states. In my country ghosting is almost not even a thing.
in spain getting ghosted usually, people are usually flaky, girls even more
[–]Alternative_Pin5925 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Call her. Stand out. Go with the flow of the conversation. Be a little flirty so she knows you’re interested. Talk no longer than 10 mins tho
[–]bobyd -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
what if she doesnt pick up the phone, call again, leave like 5 missing phone calls or text
[–]Gorillaman30 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Hey hey, this is Marcus. I suppose love stories really do begin by the wine aisle in Target."
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I went up to her and said “this is random but I saw you and thought you were cute, and just wanted to say hi”, and i introduced myself, and she introduced herself. That was it
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21
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How old are you and why do you say it wouldn't fly?
[–]Hot_Funny6531 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m 45 and I use that exact same line and it works like a charm. Straight out of Models
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“this is random but I saw you and thought you were cute, and just wanted to say hi”, and i introduced myself,
How did she react? Just curious, did she seemed puzzled or did her eyes light up? Or seemed indifferent?
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Did you put your name/number in her phone. Or did she give you her number.
[–]marcus-manson 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
She gave me her number
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Ive posted a few comments on here. But one thing you wanna lead up to is something that leads in person. Give it a little bit of time. Maybe 3 days or so then finally text and ask her to do something in person. In a fun, witty/querky way. That shows sense of humor, playfulness, and doesn't allow the conversation to be dry. If you'd like a example look at a few of my comments on here. Don't text her the way you normally do. The "hey is this Jane doe from Nederland." It's in my opinion a little stale. You already are under the assumption it's her. So don't ask. Text her. And after you ask her out. Ask if you can call her. Interest and effort is what keeps it Interesting.
whats an example of what you suggest?
[–]BlvckSkin 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Focus on urself slim. U bouta be playing a whole bunch of stupid games and win stupid prizes. Focus on a hobby/career path and talk to girls through that medium and go from there.
Cuz what about to happen is you about to rack your brain on what to say to this girl for 2 weeks and then be left wondering how you could do better next time and do that over and over a couple hundred times till you finally get sex and then you're gonna realize it wasn't worth it.
When you find true companionship in a girl that respects you because you're able to add to her life in an organic way (through a hobby/career) is the only time its worth it. And you'll respect her too because she adds to your life in the same way.
Take it from someone with plenty of experience.
[–]Global-Bridge-6787 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
💯
[–]dyce123 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thanks man.
I needed that
[–]BlvckSkin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Glad this sid something for ya
[–]bwoidem 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Do you recall anything interesting from your Convo with her? Did she tell you where she was from? What she likes to do? What she does for a living? If so try and recall something from that Convo and bring it into the text.
E.g. you live in California and she's just moved from Texas. So you say
"hey XYZ, it's ABC from Target, so what brings you from Texas to California"
If there was no chance to build strong rapport then I think what you normally say is fine except maybe not put the "lmao" (this can come across as unserious but then again it depends if y'all had a funny conversation or a more stern one getting to know you conversation). Something on the lines of
"hey XYZ, it's abc from target, how's your day going?"
Doesn't really matter when you text her but if you're going to do it today I'd wait a couple of hours. I usually text girls the next day if I meet them in person.
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If she's a girl of any value, she's getting those texts from 30 different guys. Provide value to HER. Do you think she's responding to those, or the guy who is inviting her to do some fun activity?
[–]devilsglare 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dick pic
[–]Gethimtocommittoyou 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Call, don't text. Set up a date.
[–]marshall_strud 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
1-2 min convo she’s not gonna respond but fuck it. Send her “hey girl” the Ryan gosling gif
[–]Ley33 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don’t think “hey girl” would work
[–]marshall_strud 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro 1-2 min interaction won’t work unless ur Adonis or have really tight game. This is a trap away set, might as well test it
[–]icouch 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
text wasssup
[–]cormacru999 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is another example of how often men think there are right equations & wrong equations. That if you work out enough, but not too much & not too little, & you make enough money, again, not crazy rich but not poor, & then you get the number, there are texts that will work & texts that won't.
In reality, my advice would depend entirely on the details on the circumstance. How old is she, how old are you, where do you know her from, what interactions have you had so far, what do you know about her, etc.
But there are usually some themes you can follow, men often think you should be direct, confident, funny & flirty, but men often don't know what women find is good direction, good humor, good flirting, etc & they come across demanding, arrogant, silly or foolish, etc.
But there are usually some themes you can follow, men often think you should be direct, confident, funny & flirty, but men often don't know what women find is a good direction, good humor, good flirting, etc & they come across as demanding, arrogant, silly or foolish, etc.er, or buying it for her at some point, the point being people like to feel heard & seen. You can talk about yourself of course, but never let that be the focus, use it to bounce the conversation back to her. If you are considerate, kind & patient, you'll be a hundred times better than most men she has to deal with.
[–]biscuit310 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't put lmao at the end of the text. In fact, stop doing that completely in any context whatsoever.
I see younger dudes adding "lmao" to the ends of sentences that are not even remotely funny, and I think it's a way to mask social anxiety. People want to believe that it shows you're fun-loving and carefree, like, "Lmao, can you believe how ridiculous the whole dating song and dance is? It's totally lame, and I'm totally beyond it!" But I think the message it actually sends is "I'm afraid you might laugh at me, but you can't laugh at me if I'm already laughing at myself."
[–]smartass347 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Text her hey its your favorite stranger
[–]Technical-Air-8108 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mate say what you want, don't be a robot, anything you say that is not coming from your heart it shows you're fake and women are great at pointing out a fake
Now listen to all these guru that teach you how to be fake
[–]epimpstyle 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can not believe that someone is asking around what time you should text her and what you should text her?
The answer is: it doesn't matter as long as you are using your common sense.
It is not nice to text her in the night when she is sleeping and don't text her anything related to sex because it is not nice. Simple and easy.
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Always lead up to something that can be in person. Always know one thing she likes to do in person and set that up as a date/get together. Even a barbecue with friends at a beach would suffice. Like if she's into dancing say "hey just got a salsa dance coupon for couples, you wanna dance the night away." Something of that sort. Always in the intiator of a text/conversation try to liven it up with with joke that leads up to something in person. A funny and flirty, even risqué joke is this. "Hey I thought I saw your face in a wanted poster apparently looks can kill I'm risking my life to tell you this so if I die just know I'll die happy so show me something worth dying for lol. Hopefully that makes you laugh." (If you haven't seen her face yet. Don't worry. Just tweak it by saying " this joke normally works if I've seen your face,but here goes." It alludes to the fact you're already interested and assumes that she's already beautiful and wanted. Making that othee person's inhibitions lowered allowing more relaxed conversation.
[–]cronasminate 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I literally put very minimal effort for first text:
"lol dis you?"
"Ummm who dis?"
"Sup"
"Brooo"
"Hey its ____"
You mostly need to send a message so you can work off of your previous convo. Most guys think too much and wait too long when the important thing is that you message her when she still remembers how you made her feel.
Sure you can do a call back humor or you can just text her right away.
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
[–]cronasminate 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The text is an extension of what your existing impression. You don't need to try too hard, if she wants to continue she will reply.
"Girl of any value" already you are putting yourself beneath her. If she can't banter and joke around, she already thinks too highly of herself. I won't invest time into making her feel like a some royalty that you can't joke around with.
[–]Global-Bridge-6787 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The guy made some good points but yeah, that’s putting her on a pedestal by assuming if she’s “of value.”
[–]Reasonable-Cold-69 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say to tell her she's high value or make her feel like royalty.
[–]OceanAbyss38 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I keep seeing your comments on here saying don’t text and provide value but your not giving an example. So how would you go about texting a girl you just met? Just curious
[–]braviscus 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Text her this
https://imgur.com/a/oCQi0uc
[–][deleted]1 point 3 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
If you put your name and number in her phone. Always put the name as something that stands out "like Jake Not from statefarm 😉. Especially if it's from tinder or some other app. That way you have an extra edge and she sees a little bit into your personality that's fun and exciting.
[–]elhabito -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
"hello darling, where are we going on our first date?"
[–]FineJournalist5432 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
A woman doesn’t want a man who is passive and she basically has to make the decisions for him like she’s the mother of a 9 year old boy
[–]wordypropensity518 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub needs a F.A.Q. pinned post
[–]ChampionshipStock870 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just call and ask her out
[–]EvanMcCormick 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"I would like to stick my dick in your vagina, mam'".
Works every time.
[–]ThatRollingStone 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is my go too.
[–]Off2damoon 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do not go with hey its x from y. Too platonic.
Cardinal rule is texting is for setting up dates. Before you set up a date however you need to establish rapport and comfort. Did you do that in Target when you were spitting game irl before grabbing her number? If so, did you have any memorable moments in the conversation?
If possible, think back to the conversation in person and text something witty that dovetails off of it. Otherwise, if there was nothing memorable to refer to (which probably means the interaction sucked) you can always just text her name with an exclamation point and saying "quick question" or "gotta ask you something..". I usually send something cheeky back like 'how did you get so cute?'. Guage how she responds.. Is there a lot of energy and interest or is she a dead fish sending back a sole question mark.. "?".. You need her to be engaged and talkative otherwise it will be an uphill battle at best.
So to recap, you want the first text to elicit a response by either having something witty tied to a positive memory (if possible) or at least pose the text as a question. Once you get a response, now the ball is rolling and you can do some text game for a few messages before hook line and sinker for a date. This is the formula my friend.
[–]Subject-Craft5870 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You ask her out on a date for a specific day and a specific time (evening only). Meet her at a bar for a drink, then walk to another bar for a drink and appetizers, then maybe to a place for live music, etc. Do a few fun things in one evening but quick things. An hour at each place……
Do not text her long nonsense texts, asking her how she’s doing. Just ask her out, plan a date, and go and see how it goes. Have fun with it!
[–]Think_History_5682 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dick Pic.... Just kidding
Girls like to be asked lots of easy questions that don't require a lot of thought.
[–]1dafullyfe 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't text her. Just call her on Sunday.
You: Hey what's up? This is Joe from Target
Her: Blah, Blah, Blah
You: Nice. Any plans for the holiday weekend?
Her: Blah, blah, blah
You: (make 5-10 minute small talk. You basically want to gauge her interest level and see if she's boring or not. If she sounds cool then ask her when is she free to meet up for a drink, bite to eat or whatever you like to do)
Her: (if she gives you a day she's free then make a date and get off the phone. If she says "I don't know" or doesn't give you a definite answer then you say "ok cool. Let me know when you're free to meet up. Then end the convo and get off the phone.)
[–]Mundizzle1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe this will help lol
https://youtu.be/mlUsyQzJAHI
[–]skaag 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hi this is Mark and I'd like to talk to you about your car's warranty which is about to expire...
[–]melmelok 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get to know her a lil in text then ask her on a date! Don’t try too hard. 🙂 if you haven’t texted her yet, “hey! It’s _ from target, how are you?” Keep it light good luck
[–]Mindless-Sherbert-18 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No.. shld b hi... im xxx. We met at xxx
[–]froze_gold 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Easy open "Hey this is that cute guy from time and place"
She'll respond, and then youll say something like "I'm doing activity at time&date , meet me there and let's get to know each other"
If she's into you then it's a yes. If she's not that into you, it's a maybe. It's always a hard yes with girls who like you. If she cant make that time and offers a different day, it's still a yes FYI.
Be very light on the periods and exclamations, dont even use em at all.
There's a different vibe in "See you there." Compared to "See ya there"
Don't text her much at all once the date is planned, being needy and clingy is a quick trip to no-bone ville. Maybe a text before the date but you should just show up and hope she does too. If she doesn't, do something else and don't text her about it at all.
[–]HentaiMD 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ayyy lmaoo
[–]GnailZ 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Text something with intent:
"Hey, What are you doing Saturday night? I hear (random bar) has great (random drinks) want to check it out?"
just my 2 cents. g'luck.
[–]YellowHuge 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Were you the guy I met at the target ( Gilbert and German ) in chandler yesterday and does your number begins with 480…….. IM me ;)
[–]Punch-SideIron 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey babee, wan sum fuk?
[–]Shad0wca7 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dick pics. Immediately. As many as you can!
You made my day :-))
[–]igxiguaa 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just be like "wassup shorty" (yes call her shorty) and then invite her on a date super casually.
My dms are open so you can thank me later
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