This is not 'advocacy', it is bigotry.

solar-garlic1776 · 2024-07-08T17:36:39+00:00

First slide

Not all female teachers

But if I were to tell you 2 out of 10 female teachers will rape your underage son, would take a second to reevaluate or just crack on.

See everyone can play this game

Ptoney1 · 2024-07-08T18:33:32+00:00

Imagine not being able to smell the difference between shit and not shit as you put something up to your mouth.

Fucking idiots.

Extension-Line-9380 · 2024-07-08T15:48:11+00:00

The fact that the post in the first pic got 105k likes makes me lose faith in everything

TheTinMenBlog · 2024-07-08T15:27:57+00:00

I am not surprised by the number of awful takes when it comes to ‘male violence’.

I am not surprised by the spectacular, Olympic-gold-winning backward somersaults of mental gymnastics people are willing to perform, to try and justify their distain for ‘men’.

I have grown accustomed to the outrageous, alarmist, and down right manipulative thought experiments that litter social media, comparing ‘men’ to any number of dehumanising objects or animals.

Whilst these things are still shocking, they are unsurprising, as they remain part of a daily bombardment of stupid, narcissistic and statically unsound ‘hot takes’ on men, that so many of us are now numb to, and bored of.

However, I am surprised, by how many people are able to spread such bigotry under the unquestioned guise of ‘advocacy’.

I am blown away, at how the most grotesque vitriol can drip from the mouths of people who have simultaneously managed brand themselves as the voice of compassion and kindness.

Is that what this is?

Such people, whose ideas, once written down and examined, are truly awful things to say, closer to propaganda than progressivism; that are despotic, bigoted, and quite literally out of the N*zi handbook of dehumanisation.

How are some of the worst people in the space of gender equality, able to self-aggrandise themselves as the voice of kindness, whilst simultaneously being the complete opposite of such a thing?

It’s hard not to be impressed – mesmerised even – at the marvels of branding, good looks, and confidence.

But the words speak for themselves.

There is simply no way that any other group of people would be so freely compared to ‘tiny balls of human sh*t’ by a household name, to such back slapping, rapturous applause… and yet Jameela Jamil, and her endless effervescent charisma, have managed to do just that.

So do you find these thought experiments helpful, grown up, and evidence based?

Or do they just create more panic, stoke more fear, and deepen the divide between us all?

When will we demand a higher level of discourse, most of all from those leading the conversation?

What do you think?

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CraftistOf · 2024-07-08T19:39:57+00:00

not all women, but would you risk losing half of your assets in a fake marriage that was strictly for your belongings and/or falsely accused of rape?

EzraBlaize · 2024-07-08T17:16:37+00:00

Feminists have a lot in common with Nazi’s?!

Color me shocked 🤣

Izzno · 2024-07-08T17:40:14+00:00

I had a male friend trying to explain to me that he'd choose the bear too.

Lopsided_DoubleStand · 2024-07-08T19:09:55+00:00

Of course Jameela Jamil... another Instagram post of her shitting on men. I remember her Instagram post where she said women are the expendable gender because it's "easier to cancel women"...

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2024-07-08T15:49:20+00:00

At this point, why live with men if the odds of everything is so bad? Do they want a solution or just complain about everything? Put these ladies all in one country and let them figure it out. Problem solved. You can't go nowhere if the constant excuse is hypotheticals.

ChromeBadge · 2024-07-08T16:10:29+00:00

100% of women just want you to provide and protect them, until they find a better man to provide and protect them.

Women are never responsible for anything negative.

Women are never held accountable for their actions.

Women rely on men to rescue them in the worst of situations and those situations are never the woman's fault.

FirstSpear · 2024-07-08T16:14:40+00:00

To live by this "logic" is a self-inflicted punishment. I don't argue with these kind of people. Just leave them in their hole.

Glum-One816 · 2024-07-08T16:32:01+00:00

https://allthatsinteresting.com/maria-mandl

Speaking of Nazi. If they want to know more about Nazi Germany, then why is nobody talking about Nazi Nurse and female guards involved with the killings, starvation and torture among Jews.

Lopsided_DoubleStand · 2024-07-08T19:35:02+00:00

There's a lot of dumb takes out there towards men. A few I've read:

"Male sexual assault is taken more seriously than female sexual assault".
"No one shames men for going after barely legal women".
"People are more likely to believe men when they say they've been sexually assaulted".
"Men don't have any beauty standards".
"When a man shows his butt/is naked in front of people, it's seen as silly and dumb and nothing happens to him, but when a woman does it it's seen as sexual harassment".

Punder_man · 2024-07-08T21:20:46+00:00

Its so funny to me that they are so utterly blind to the double standards at play here,
Women are allowed to make nasty generalizations about men...
But they would NEVER make the same generalizations about:

Black men
Muslim men
Jewish men
Gay men

etc because they would be (rightfully so) called out for their bigotry..
Not only that but if men were to use the same 'logic' and generalize women with bullshit fearmongering propaganda like:

"Imagine a room full of women, you are free to talk to any of them but each woman has a 10% chance of falsely accusing you of rape..
Do you still want to talk to women?"

I'm sure feminists and many women would be offended at being tarred and feathered like that..

And of course there would be a slew of people chiming in with "NOT ALL WOMEN!!!!!" (the irony would be lost on them of course) But then we could use another classic feminist argument:

"Not ALL women, but enough women have made false rape accusations that men do not know which women will falsely accuse us so we have to treat all women as though they will falsely accuse us to keep ourselves safe!"

Both those quotes are verbatim arguments i've seen feminists use to justify their disgusting and blatant generalizations of men..
But of course.. as per the double standards.. its okay when women do it.. but If men do it.. well.. that's "Misogyny" and them being "Incels" etc..

Also, the slide talking about Male Suicide.. I am stunned that so many people don't seem to be able to see what should be an obvious co-relation..
Men in today's society are utterly bombarded with messages about how "Evil", "Dangerous", "Hateful" etc men are.. and that sort of thing over time wears men down..

So, on top of having already poorer mental health, its compounded by the toxic messaging they are bombarded with on a daily basis by feminists / feminist led Main Stream Media and people sit there scratching their heads failing to understand why men are killing themselves in us alarming rates?

Please tell me i'm not the only one who see's this?

hasbulla_magomedov · 2024-07-08T16:23:33+00:00

Yep. Feminists exploit the fears of other women because they get satisfaction seeing men being slandered and disrespected for existing. It warms their souls. But if you dare to call it out, it’s always “it’s for my safety” “if you weren’t part of the problem you wouldn’t be mad” “you shouldn’t be offended unless you’re commit those crimes” “it’s just a joke”

Jaded-Help1860 · 2024-07-08T16:56:15+00:00

I knew it. They hate us. Their whole existence thrives on spreading hate against us. And when we want to back off and go our own way, they label that as misogynistic too. There's no winning with these hateful women. This hate sadly will never stop in this age of social media. Just the number of likes on this lady's crappy post disillusions me to the core. Are women really this hateful and resentful towards us?

Even if the answer is yes, it's too late to make amends. Instagram has gone from a simple picture-sharing app to full-on feminazi propaganda machine. I have felt gaslighted for ages that I could be one of these evil men they are always talking about. Not anymore. Dear women, if you are reading this, don't blame us if we can't trust you these days. Your overtly vocal and chronically online sisters have done enough damage to the psyche of the average man. I won't live the life of a gaslighted man anymore. Keep blaming, keep bickering and keep hating; YOU (feminists) are the reason I have trust issues and trauma.

Angryasfk · 2024-07-08T16:55:07+00:00

Maybe don't get 10 men at once ? Maybe vet them out yourself like an adult ? Maybe take responsibility for your choices ?

Nah... That would be simple.

WarHawk1902 · 2024-07-08T18:29:07+00:00

I wonder if these women use the same logic in crime statistics by race...

Friendly_Might_1348 · 2024-07-08T17:53:06+00:00

I wouldn't feel anxious. Instead I'd go to grocery to buy a new pack of Maltesers

Evaar_IV · 2024-07-08T19:14:27+00:00

Funny. That's exactly how I feel about women.

I know it's not immoral nor logical, but I am happy about saying that.

When you have nothing to lose, morals don't matter.

Wrong_Composer169 · 2024-07-08T18:41:23+00:00

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2014/09/22/rape-cdc-numbers-misleading-definition-date-forced-sexual-assault-column/16007089/

Its all about their emotions and feelings, facts and logic arent part of their thought process, comparing women to shit because a large chunk of them sexually assault men is silly

DEANPRIME91 · 2024-07-08T23:38:17+00:00

It's crazy how if it was about race it'd be racist, fucking hypocrites

Longjumping_Mud8398 · 2024-07-08T20:05:09+00:00

What percentage of women will gaslight, emotionally abuse, false accuse, and divorce rape you?

Can't stand these people who act like men are the only ones who engage in shitty behaviour.

generisuser037 · 2024-07-08T20:35:55+00:00

I like that the caption implies that I'm not a woman unless I've been harassed or assaulted. maybe homegirl attracts a certain type of people in her life if she has something to say about "everyone"

CatoticNeutral · 2024-07-08T22:07:42+00:00

Some percentage of people are bad people. Therefore humanity deserves to go extinct. /s

^This ^is ^unironically ^what ^some ^{anti-natalists} ^think ^btw.

Codename-18 · 2024-07-08T17:49:18+00:00

The problem is easily solvable, just make.parlours for women. At this point, although there are (few) exceptions most women want to emote and release their dialectical diarrhea. Just don't take them seriously.

Temporary_3108 · 2024-07-08T18:11:31+00:00

I lost braincells reading the first slide. What does it even say? Or maybe my english is too weak as a non-native speaker

CauliflowerActual178 · 2024-07-08T18:56:04+00:00

Thank you

elebrin · 2024-07-08T19:58:21+00:00

I got in a discussion earlier today about statistics.

The gist was this: my mother, two of my mother's sisters, both of my Dad's sisters, my wife's mother, and her father's sister (my wife's aunt) all did or planned out basically the same thing: they got married with the intention of having their kids and getting financial support until the kids were in school, then getting divorced and going back to work. I won't go into details, but I have proof for three women in my family who did this, and I have strong evidence for four more. I've also seen it happen to friends.

I understand that not all women and not even most do this, but enough do to the point that you have to really do your due diligence about a woman before getting married, especially if she wants to jump the gun and have kids right away.

Now - I am a happily married man, but I knew this history going in and there are protections in place. My wife and I won't be having kids, and we are both professionals with our own, separate, finances. We have one shared asset, which is our house and technically speaking it's 100% in my name. It's unlikely we will spit up, and if we do there will be no alimony and no child support. We have that day planned out.

See, you don't have to pick up 50 chocolates then mash them down your neck as fast as you can. I've seen pictures of the kind of people who make these comments and I have no doubt that's' how they eat chocolates, but you can also sniff it, break it open to see what's in it, and think about it before taking a bite. If it's actually a ball of poo that will be very obvious.

It could also be said that all food turns to shit eventually anyways :p

PythonPussy · 2024-07-08T22:05:16+00:00

Funny how they never use this logic when it comes to divorce rates yet still pressure men to get married

p3ngwin · 2024-07-09T04:22:02+00:00

The VAST majority of children who are killed by a parent, are killed by their mothers, so why should a man trust a woman to have a family ?

uhhhFlexx · 2024-07-09T16:10:21+00:00

they say this type of shit but literally the same thing could be said about women.

Not all women are cheaters, manipulators, liars, childish, arrogant, selfish, and lack compassion, but men aren’t out here saying “Imagine 10 skittles are poisoned in a whole bowl of regular skittles. you wouldn’t eat any of them”.

The generalizations get to me the most. Most of this boils down to being a bad judge of character.

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-07-08T16:45:31+00:00

The hilarity is that this person assumes that their own judgment on the quality of a man is universal.

In other solipsistic news, I think it's important at this time that we recognize that nearly 1 in 5 suicides is a female.

NibblyPig · 2024-07-08T16:35:19+00:00

If I can smell em first, I have a pretty good ability to determine what choices in life would be good for me and what wouldn't.

Of course, I could just ignore the warning signs and be a slave to my emotions... but there'd be consequences

UbiquitousWobbegong · 2024-07-08T22:21:40+00:00

The problem isn't that the argument isn't logically true. It is. The problem is what happens next.

The people posting this stuff are speaking and living out of the fear of being vulnerable with the wrong man. But what happens when everyone lives that way? Well, the human race dies out lonely and miserable. That's what happens.

If we all take the risk, some of us are going to eat a shit ball once in a while, but most of us will be happier. If none of us take the risk, we are making an implicit agreement to destroy civilization.

Which do you prefer?

PROFESSA954 · 2024-07-08T23:05:15+00:00

How about You take Your time, do the sensible thing and examine the Maltesers? Don't just pig out on everything in the box? If the goal is just to get one actual Malteser out of the box it shouldn't be an issue if You just take Your time and be careful. This logic could easily be applied to anything.

"If I have a chance of dying from pretty much literally everything I could possibly do, why do anything? Why not just let fear paralyze Me from doing literally anything instead of taking calculated risks?"

AigisxLabrys · 2024-07-09T05:35:20+00:00

Recycled Nazi propaganda.

wroubelek · 2024-07-09T13:42:54+00:00

Let's call this 'bigotry' what it is: a spurt of neonazist sexist misandrist hate.

And I'm not exaggerating or being ironic here, it literally is that.

Fickle-Cartoonist466 · 2024-07-08T17:24:50+00:00

I think we're cooked

GOATEDITZ · 2024-07-08T21:42:00+00:00

I’d like to see the logic of the first slide applied to false rape accusations

Present_League9106 · 2024-07-08T22:11:42+00:00

Is she still employable?

2024-07-08T23:17:57+00:00

These are the same people who if you show statistics to about how 40% of domestic violence victims are men, the epidemic of female teachers raping their underage male students, how most homeless are made up of men, most military deaths and dangerous work jobs are men, somehow still come up with it being a part of "misogyny".

It's "believe all women" until a woman has a different opinion and they take it as a free for all to bully the shit out of them, as I have found out many times over the last few years.

They exaggerate how most perpetrators of various crimes are men but choose to hide that it's always less than 1% of men who commit those said crimes. They instill fear by gaslighting to suit their narration of women good, men bad.

Choogie432 · 2024-07-09T02:16:31+00:00

"No, not all (insert any group of people)....."

Jurassican_25 · 2024-07-09T02:21:26+00:00

I’m sure we’re all perfectly capable of distinguishing maltesers from human shit balls, and if you can’t, then you must be blind or human like shit balls.

therobohourhalfhour · 2024-07-09T09:46:12+00:00

We should really change it from "#notallguys" to "#definitelythatguy"

Reygar · 2024-07-09T13:37:47+00:00

Posts like these only instille fear in the non-critical thinkers. Fear has been used as a tool to control the population for centuries.

terrible-punmaster69 · 2024-07-09T15:21:58+00:00

While I agree, I think there’s a distinction between dehumanizing and this weird bullshit. It’s jumping the gun to exactly call this “dehumanizing” of all men, because the message in and of itself DOES state that it believes it’s a minority of men. It is inherently reminding you that a majority of men being treated like this don’t deserve it. I take the meaning as it more so explaining why you shouldn’t blame a woman or be upset with her for being afraid of men. It’s a really shitty presented message that this fear will likely only go away when other dudes more readily persecute that small minority and hold them accountable (a course of action we can all overall get behind). I’ve seen people defend shitty guys in their friend group because he was a dude and often join in on ridicule of girls around them, so that sort of message is valid. The presentation is horribly presented and the underlying bitterness and fear mongering as you said is counter productive. Guilt tripping men into helping is going to push a lot away, essentially ensuring an “us vs them” mentality in some of them.

I think it’s a really shitty way to go about it, but I also just take issue with the false equivalence because dehumanization is targeting and simplifying an entire demographic. This is critical towards them, but it’s not oversimplifying all men as rapists, it’s just saying the threat a man CAN pose is great enough to cause a single, average woman to be afraid. The statistics are large enough that even if SA isn’t on the table, shaming, humiliation, breaches of privacy, etc… are still things to worry about. There’s a balance a lot of women have to make between the moral choice and the logical choice. Some people just individually consider the personal risk too high and even if I don’t agree, I can’t get mad because if the tables were turned, maybe I’d be worried too. A better analogy they could have used is somebody who owns a gun or carries a switchblade. Sure, a majority aren’t going to be shooters/violent and they can be real chill, but they have a significant power imbalance and if they have their gun on them and I don’t know them, I’m going to be tense knowing that if this guy turns out to be crazy, the chance of me defending myself is low compared to the threat to me.

The dehumanization of Jews was the belief ghat every Jewish man and woman was basically a hellspawn, it was a reminder that if you see a Jew, it is a FACT that they’re something you should fear and hate. You need to be afraid by the very existence of Jews, not just a minority, not just a group, just Jewish personhood itself.

Are this weird anti-man campaign’s beliefs right morally? No, not in the slightest. I think it’s severely sexist and does more harm than good. It sparks awareness and discussion, which we can all support, but that’s about all it does. I do think it goes into a slippery slope of forcing some psychos to get the wrong message and start a REAL dehumanizing campaign though.

Are these beliefs a logical thing to do? That’s something else entirely that can be debated. Logic is usually blind of morality. Killing everybody in a room that can be a threat is logical, but nobody would appreciate anybody who thinks with such strong self preservation that their empathy slips. There’s a reason we evolved to be wary of strangers and form pattern recognition over culprits who hurt us in the past. I would prefer a deconstruction of an argument to also take in the rights and wrongs of the message. Unlike Jewish dehumanization, this one at least has some speckles of good stuff in the overall heap of shit that it is.

Very few messages are fully bad and few are fully right. If you want to do better and find a better way of organizing this, you need to play devil’s advocate first and not be overly sensitive to the critical nature. I want to clarify that that is what I’m doing. I want to avoid causing an echo chamber. I know some people will be like “YOU’RE AGAINST US”, but this criticism is only because I support your side. I agree with you, I just don’t want to be associated with a circlejerk of bitter people, but instead a group of well informed people who can understand the opposite viewpoint and constructively build on it with better ideas. I feel devil’s advocate is a necessary position to take here because I’ve seen these sorts of convos devolve into circle jerks much faster than you’d think. You can hate it and think it’s shit after a critical analysis, but having a discussion of it requires acknowledging the difference, because if not it comes across as needlessly biased.

No-Compote-3227 · 2024-07-10T12:26:19+00:00

the 20% number has been debunked multiple times by our own governments studies. The DOJ found rape happens 1 in 40. not 2 in 10 and has been declining since 1995. The 20% of women get raped statistic comes from a survey in 1985.

ABBucsfan · 2024-07-08T18:23:11+00:00

Yeah as the slide indicates it's not an exclusive thing to one group. I mean I know after nasty divorces it's easy to see women the same way. Many have used the analogy of Russian roulette. Anyone that's been hurt can feel that way. It's.not even necessarily false, but becomes an issue when you dehumanize a whole group. I personally wouldn't risk a committed relationship again.. feels like a poor risk/reward ratio, but I recognize the lovely ladies who have been in my life

Tbh in no entirely sure what we are trying to get at here. It kind of depends on the question. If the question is why aren't you dating? I think it's perfectly valid for someone to hold this type of view imo and just say not for me, as long as they aren't forcing it on others. Also as long as it's not a generalization (which the point of it is basically saying not all are like that). If we are into immigration and stuff well obviously you can't have a 0 tolerance policy, but you could argue more vetting. A person when it comes to romance is perfectly allowed to have a 0 tolerance policy if they choose imo. It become a bit much if they refuse to associate with others of the opposite sex of course

CraftistOf · 2024-07-08T19:42:34+00:00

Women, would you rather be stuck in a forest with a man or a bear? I want to say the man, I really do, but I can't shake the idea that I would be safer with the bear

I can kinda understand where the people that say "I'd rather be killed by a bear than be raped by a man" are coming from, but this above statement is just outright fucking stupid. you will NOT be safer with a bear. in fact, a random man raping you has a one digit chance, and this chance may even start with a zero. but a bear will kill you in one hundred percent of the chances.

Mesterjojo · 2024-07-08T16:46:19+00:00

False equivalency.

What horseshit

Traditional_Dot_1097 · 2024-07-08T19:49:42+00:00

Literal facts about men = discrimination equivalent to the holocaust lmao

Sea_Treat7982 · 2024-07-08T16:58:01+00:00

The grammar is so bad that I can't even understand the meaning.

Title	This is not 'advocacy', it is bigotry.
Author	TheTinMenBlog
Upvotes	936
Comments	122
Date	July 8, 2024 3:27 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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