Why do Redpillers always talk about male sacrifice as why men should have more rights but at the same time eschew any sacrifice or responsibility themselves?

kick6 · 2016-06-07T15:07:33+00:00

Look at how many of them react to having to pay for their own children.

They're not their own children. Our current social narrative is that children belong to the mother.

Look at how many of those demand women bend over backwards for them yet get nothing in return not even commitment. Look at how many just look at things they can help and go "Not my problem" even if their own children are wearing raggy clothes and have no food.

This entire shitshow is one giant man-shaming piece. Why? Why couch this as a question for the red pill when it's nothing more than the same "being a man is doing what is best for women" shit society has been feeding us for generations whilst simultaneously providing us zero respect for doing? What's special about the way you did it that you thought this time it was going to work?

The bottom line is this: men do sacrifice, and have sacrificed, and now women expect the same level of it from them...but offer nothing in return.

good dad? I'm bored, I'm taking the kids and half your shit
pay your child support? I'm still mad that I couldn't keep you so I'm going to use visitation as a weapon of retribution
raise kids in a two-parent (proper) environment? You must be a doofus that needs a woman's unqiue amazingness to save you from yourself

So red pill says: why? Why the fuck would I sign up for a life of servitude if the absolute best I can hope for in exchange is to be lampooned on TV for my ineptitude? I'd much rather all women to get their "sexual liberation" out with my dick, and scoff at the cries (like this one) to "man up" in a way that benefits everyone but me.

Ultramegasaurus · 2016-06-07T05:23:37+00:00

Because sacrificing yourself as a man is pointless in our current culture. It's not appreciated.

NalkaNalka · 2016-06-07T06:38:27+00:00

The heart of this issue is wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

You can ether have traditional gender roles where men make certain sacrifices and get certain rewards and vice versa or you can have equality were nobody is expected to sacrifice anything or get anything in exchange.

You can't just expect men to continue making the traditional sacrifices when they are no longer getting anything in return.

Feminism has spent the last five decades stacking the deck against men so that men have to continue to fullfill their traditional roles and sacrifices and can expect nothing in retun. At the same time women get to shirk their gender roles but continue to demand special tretment.

When someone is cheating and stacking the deck against you what do you do?

TRP is a reaction. You need to understand it in context of the times. If you kick a dog enough times don't cry foul when it bites you in return.

DaphneDK · 2016-06-07T07:08:47+00:00

We have gold digging alimony vultures who unabashedly use the divorce court to score obscene amounts. We have other whores who use ridiculous abuse accusations to obtain control of shared children – and of extra alimony (e.g., Johnny Depp / Amber Heard). We have men being hounded off campus on rape-scares which seem increasingly to resemble witch scares (mattress girl). We have men sent to prison for non-payment of alimony outside their physical ability to pay, and other men begging the courts to lower their payments so they can retire. We have a whole victimization industry based on vilifying White Heterosexual Males. etc. etc. And we have a generation of men who have been raised entirely in such an environment.

I mostly see trp as a reaction to such trends. If men are valued for nothing but their financial contributions – which are increasingly being extracted against their will. Then you shouldn’t be surprised when an increasingly large amount of those same men are going to opt out one way or another. The deal just isn’t worth the effort.

daveofmars · 2016-06-07T12:37:56+00:00

Sorry to say this, but you're a woman and you're projecting.

You live in a world where you have every opportunity to give up your parental rights at every step in the process, without shame, without pressure, and without monetary cost. You take it all for granted. It is, in essence, your privilege.

It is not men, it is YOU who eschew any sacrifice or responsibility for YOURSELF, because if a politician even touches on the issue of abortion you lose your shit. Like god forbid you, a woman, has to do something you don't want to do. That thing, by the way, is called sacrifice.

Since feminism and the politics of our day are always going on and on about equality, men are beginning to accept that and simply want that same benefits as well. We men only want to give up responsibility to the degree that you women are currently able, and that scares you all because it means we men can leave you as high and dry as you leave us.

This post isn't about men. Don't turn it around on us. While unintentional, it's about YOU. You're scared that men can walk out on parenting the same way you can.

Entropy-7 · 2016-06-07T06:24:58+00:00

In the case of child support it is overblown and excessive while the custody laws that trigger child support favour women as does no fault divorce which allows women to unilaterally kick the guy out of the family while keeping him as a source of income. Plus, given abortion laws women have every opportunity to avoid pregnancy but if they choose not to they can enforce the financial consequences of that choice on a man without one.

Red pill men are tired of bending over backwards and getting nothing in return, so you have it kind of bass ackwards here. The point is to improve yourself so you have something to offer and if the woman offers nothing in return then next.

Starving children (their own no less) is quite the canard. I suppose the one thing that annoys me is how tough and macho a lot of red posers talk right before admitting they are cowards who would not stand up to a felon committing a violent act against a pregnant woman because that sort of "white knighting" is for suckers or something.

CovenantoftheSun · 2016-06-07T06:32:41+00:00

It's not that men hate paying for their children, it's that they usually get limited rights and visitation for their money. I know guys that have their children 50% of the time, pay for health insurance, buy ask the school supplies, and yet STILL have to pay child support.. Because vagina

demand women bend over backwards..

That's so laughable in today's society I can't believe you even said it.. Asking a girl to not go out sucking dick is not an unreasonable request.

There is more to commitment then marriage. My ex had my commitment, but not my bank account (thank god)

darksoldierk · 2016-06-08T00:53:06+00:00

Jesus, how many times am I going to have to discuss this this week.

While there are men that say "not my problem", you never ask them why they don't think a child which they created is "their problem". It's not my problem if I don't have the right to abort at the same time that the mother does. It's not my problem if I am denied the right to spend as much time with my children as their mother does. It's not my problem when women aren't held accountable for how they spend child support. It's "not my problem" when a woman is given her right to be a mother, but I am denied my right to be father, of course it's not my problem. The law has effectively made the the child mine by biology only. I have no control over the relationship with my own children. You are damn fucking straight "it's not my problem". If women deny men their father hood, then it's not men's problems how women pay for their children.

You saying "men need to pay without opening their mouths, but also, men can't choose to abort after a sexual encounter, and men should feel lucky to get 2 weekends a month with their children, and men should pay 50k a year into my personal bank account just because they fucked me that one time" is you basically saying "I want men to keep their mouths shut, pay up, and not be given the rights to their fatherhoods". It's not going to happen.

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Eulabeia · 2016-06-07T09:35:07+00:00

The first thing your title made me think of is women get to vote but have never been subject to the draft. Hell no do I think that anyone who would never have to go to war get to vote on that. That's the only time I've ever seen anyone argue that men should have more rights so that must be what you're talking about. So explain how that's fair. And by the way I have actually enlisted too before you even think of accusing me of avoiding that responsibility so kiss my dick.

Look at how many of those demand women bend over backwards for them yet get nothing in return not even commitment.

What the hell are you even talking about here? Anything specific in mind? What do you think men are demanding of women?

bergkampinthesheets · 2016-06-07T16:19:47+00:00

I always wonder if one starts a "cmv" or "debate" attacking TRP, is it really a valuable, fruitful discussion when one wants to learn, or whether its just venting out veiled in the form of a question.

648262 · 2016-06-07T20:29:18+00:00

We don't. I think you mean MRA.

CursedLemon · 2016-06-07T05:55:37+00:00

Red Pillers talking about male sacrifice, yet they constantly iterate that working or otherwise independent women are either unattractive or in some other way should be avoided.

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[deleted] · 2016-06-07T13:16:31+00:00

Because they weren't raised right. It's a cycle. They have an absent, selfish dad, so they become absent, selfish dads. They've never seen a healthy marriage, don't know what one would look like, let alone why they'd want one. They've never been part of a community and don't understand why you'd want to be. They don't know how to become adults because nobody seems to become an adult anymore. It's a problem that begets more of the same with each generation. It's very sad.

[deleted] · 2016-06-08T09:41:09+00:00

So trashy baseless insults are now allowed as posts. I thought these sorts of one sided hate posts were banned?

Whisper · 2016-06-08T22:45:52+00:00

Don't make sacrifices because they are not rewarded. Look at those other men, making sacrifices. Look what happens to them. Don't be them.

despisedlove2 · 2016-06-10T00:50:03+00:00

As long as you keep conflating PUA with red pill, you will remain confused.

ABC_Florida · 2016-06-10T02:45:52+00:00

Could you clarify your statements with actual examples from /r/TheRedPill, please? Because I don't have the same experience about them. Although I don't read that sub too often.

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Title	Why do Redpillers always talk about male sacrifice as why men should have more rights but at the same time eschew any sacrifice or responsibility themselves?
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Date	June 7, 2016 5:13 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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