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| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I’m on the thin side of a healthy BMI range. I’ve literally never been overweight in my life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 10:06 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?If my standards were the problem, I’d be waving a way a mob of interested but average men. There is literally no man on my trail. There rarely ever is. I have no one to reject because no one is pursuing me. And yes like I said I’m at a healthy weight and I’m mid 20s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/12/21 10:04 PM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I’m already slim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/12/21 05:19 AM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?Either you're right, or no men anywhere of any type are attracted to me despite my having a fairly conventionally attractive body. Like, what gives? (I described my body in an earlier comment, for reference). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 03:58 AM |
| 2 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I'm pretty sure I could make a Tinder profile right now an accomplish your first point. When I was on OLD there were men who expressed wanting to hook up with me. However, the challenge for me is finding someone who wants to be with me long-term and be in a committed relationship with me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 03:57 AM |
| 5 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I'm at a healthy weight, but I'm invisible to men of all ages, educational backgrounds, levels of attractiveness, and socioeconomic statuses. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 03:51 AM |
| 3 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?to some guys (like me) body is 80% of attractiveness. If this is true then how come exactly 0 guys pursue me, ask for my number/social media, or ask me out? I mean, my face certainly isn’t perfect but if I have a conventionally attractive body that gets no attention despite some men being mainly into the body, it would appear that sometimes conventional attractiveness gets no attention. So perhaps it’s not for a lack of attractiveness that I’m never pursued, because I’m being completely honest a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 01:16 AM |
| 3 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I'm already skinny. Not underweight, but skinny - and I always have been. I have good teeth. I don't have any acne. My hair is just below my shoulders in length. I don't have any tattoos, if that matters. I'm in my mid 20s by the way. I haven't had any kids. My waist is small, and I have like a 70 to 30 hip to waist ratio. My chest is perky. I don't have any cellulite, and just a few faint stretch marks in certain places. So it must be my facial structure that's turning men off, because I believ… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 12:54 AM |
| 1 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?I'm not pursuing men though. *No* men approach me or pursue me or ask me out. Your response indicates you think average or below average are hitting on my and I'm turning them away. *No* men are hitting on me - not handsome millionaires, not overweight janitors. Whatever type of man you think is "on my level" - they don't show any interest whatsoever. Name an age, name a level of income, name a BMI. They act like I don't exist. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/12/21 12:02 AM |
| 2 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?Put on some lippy and smile occasionally. It’s not so bad. They're still not gonna want me for a relationship. I'm not saying no guy will have sex with me. I could probably find one. But I want something more than that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:52 PM |
| 3 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?So if literally no guys approach me, ask for my number, or ask me out (IRL cause OLD doesn't count as an actual "approach" since it isn't one), does that pretty much men I'm like a 3/10 or below? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:42 PM |
| 5 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?So if literally 0 men are trying to get to know me, want my number, approach me, or ask me out, that's a pretty good indication I'm like a 3 or below, right? lol It really sucks. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:39 PM |
| 2 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?This may be true. My problem with having to "try" is that it just reminds me that I'm not pretty enough to catch men's attention or stand out to them, which I would like to be in order to feel desired. One of the main reasons I don’t use dating apps anymore is that it just reminds me that I have to resort to them to get even a modicum of male attention since IRL I’m invisible to men. They don’t talk to me, approach me, or try to get to know me - let alone ask for my number or a date. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:04 PM |
| 4 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?It's a good thing to have to try. Trying allows you to have agency for yourself, and helps you be more self aware and have a better idea of what you want. It allows you to build relationship skills early. I'm sure there are people that can get dates without trying, but I think everyone should try, and it's not a bad thing to have to try. I mostly agree. My problem with having to "try" is that it just reminds me that I'm not pretty enough to catch men's attention or stand out to them, which I wou… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:02 PM |
| 5 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?Unless she's locked in a basement guys will find them and depending on how many people she interacts with daily there could be an opportunity once a month to once a day. The most common places this will happen are school/ work/ mutual friends. Ok, this answers my question then. So basically, as long as she's not locked up somewhere, if she's actually pretty, she will be pursued by men - just by going about her everyday life business. That's what I've been doing (going about my everyday life busi… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 11:00 PM |
| 13 | [Q4All] Do naturally attractive women have to "try"?Nobody, except for the rare recluse, literally just sits at home all day every day or never dresses halfway stylishly. I'd wager even recluses do some basic grooming and get some exercise. What I mean by "not trying" is just wearing basic supermarket clothes and going about her business, i.e. going to school, work, stores, and some outings with friends to the movies or restaurants here and there. My hypothetical naturally pretty woman here isn't a reclusive slob; she just doesn't have to really … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/12/21 10:55 PM |
| 1 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:I'm female. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 04:01 PM |
| 7 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:But can they INVEST in several women at once? Maybe wealthy ones can, but I think it’s easy to tell when you’re not the only significant other in your partner’s life. I think you can tell when your not someone’s focus. They will forget the details you tell them about your day, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 01:16 AM |
| 3 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:How do you define “traditional woman”? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 01:01 AM |
| 2 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:Well, I am a virgin. I don’t want to be so intimate with a guy who doesn’t care about me and who I’m not good enough for for a relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 12:39 AM |
| 1 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:I said in my OP it’s not about explicitly making them. It’s about just not engaging with and disconnecting from men if they don’t do these things. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 12:24 AM |
| 7 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:Exactly lmao. Why is it so TERRIBLE that a woman doesn’t sleep with a guy before she can see he’s serious about her, let alone not a murderer or rapist? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/11/21 12:17 AM |
| 7 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:So women shouldn't go for an up-and-coming guy because he might use her. Not what I'm saying. See my comment about how I'm not advocating for age gap relationships. What I mean is, she shouldn't start investing in him until he starts investing in her. And, IMO, men and women tend to invest differently based on what is most valuable to the other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 11:04 PM |
| 0 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:Turning things up to 11 and going “I’m going to be a cold bitch and if someone likes me despite that, that’s my guy,” is going to limit your options far too much, and I’d be shocked if you could get anyone who wasn’t a complete schmuck with no self esteem. I'm not advocating for women to be cold and emotionally distant. I think they should express things like excitement and happiness at seeing the guy if that's what they genuinely feel, and disappointment if plans have to be cancelled. I think t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 11:03 PM |
| 10 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:a man would have to be financially capable of providing to be able to court. Of course, people are always free to live how they choose, provided they aren't violating anyone's autonomy or hurting anyone. However, I don't necessarily advocate for women going for significantly older men just because they're more likely to be able to "provide." I believe there are other ways of providing besides paying for things and bestowing resources upon someone. In my opinion, it's deeper than any particular p… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 10:57 PM |
| 2 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:getting a guy you're super attracted to you, that is willing to heavily invest without reciprocity seems hard. While I'm advocating for a woman to refrain from pursuing and initiating, I'm not advocating for her to be "dead weight," i.e. to be passive in conversation and withhold expressions of admiration, attraction, and excitement around the guy she's dating. Obviously she needs to be fairly expressive and open so the guy knows he has a green light and a shot with her. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 10:44 PM |
| 3 | To avoid being a "starter wife" or "forever girlfriend," this is the best dating strategy for women:Thank you :) | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 10:39 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Lol ok but I’m gonna DM you cause of privacy | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 07:03 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Oh ok. So based on the the info I’ve given do you think men likely find me unattractive, by and large? I mean, I don’t want to believe it but I’ve been wondering what the deal is for a while now. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 06:59 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Idk, I don’t think I love-bombed. I just asked them out and when I got a negative reaction I backed off, dropped it, and never talked to them again (not like gave them the cold shoulder, just didn’t seek them out anymore). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 06:45 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?No. Unfortunately I can’t find guys who are interested in me. I should say, guys my age who are at a healthy weight. I haven’t tried but I might be able to get a 65 year old. But I think it’s fair for me to want someone slim who’s in his 20s since I’m slim and in my 20s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 06:10 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Ok, thanks. I appreciate it. It is an interesting discussion. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 06:01 PM |
| 3 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?I have friends that do all of that and still “pump and dump” women. I'm sure that's true, but it's still more likely that a guy just wants to P&D a woman if she asks him out vs. if he asks her out because if she asks him out, he's likely to simply say yes because he wants to have sex. However, if he asks her out, there's a higher likelihood that he actually finds her attractive and would consider her for an LTR. Of course he may still just want to hook up, but when there's work involved, a guy w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 05:48 PM |
| 6 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?It’s not something I do out of laziness or lack of interest. As I’ve said multiple times here, men are much more desperate for sex than women are. They have lower standards for who they have sex with. Some will sleep with anyone they can get. I don’t want to be that “anyone.” I want to be genuinely desired, valued, and found beautiful and to be in a LTR. Not pursuing men/asking them out is my method of ensuring I’m not just “a fuck” and discerning if that’s how they see me or if they want me lon… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 05:07 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?I’ve asked guys out several times before an they were never interested. Even if they had been, many men will have sex with anything, so if they said yes chances it’s more likely they’re just anticipating an easy lay than it is that I’m anything special to them. Men asking women out is different than women asking men out. Women will say yes if the guy is up to her standards and she sees potential for a relationship. Men will say yes because they see it as a nice opportunity to get off. If a guy i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 04:55 PM |
| 4 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Men tend to be more desperate for sex and they’d likely only take me upon the offer in hopes of pumping and dumping. I want a long term partner. I also want someone who’s attracted to me and not just going with me because they can’t get anyone else at the moment. I’m a lot more likely to find a guy like this if I let him pursue me than if I chase him down and beg him to date me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 04:40 PM |
| 1 | What’s the average experience for unattractive women?Idk if I'm considered attractive or unattractive, but based on my experience thus far I lean towards thinking the latter. I'm 24, no kids, and thin (within my healthy weight range) and I don't have any injuries or physical abnormalities, but even so, I have had an immense lack of success in dating. Men never approach me. Thy never initiate conversation to get to know me and to get closer to me. They never ask me out. They never ask for my number. On dating apps, men would match with me and messa… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/11/21 04:35 PM |
| 1 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?I mean, I don’t have a particular taste for them either. However, I don’t assume someone is crazy or morally deficient for having them. It’s just a trend I don’t see the appeal of. But lots of normal people get tattoos. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/11/21 02:39 PM |
| 1 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenThose places are notorious for attracting people who just want to hook up. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/11/21 03:33 AM |
| 1 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenIf you're hot, great photos, not too slutty you're going to attracts tons of quality guys. I disagree. I don’t know if you would consider me “hot” but I’m skinny, childless, and I’m my 20s and don’t have any glaring physical turn-offs. I didn’t get “tons of quality guys.” Most of the men who matched with or messaged me acted aloof and bored. The few that asked me out asked me “in” (for the first “date”!) more accurately - I.e. they invited me to sit on their couch and eat (probably) ordered fast… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/11/21 04:59 PM |
| 11 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenSo where should I find someone? I'm 24F btw. Not looking for casual sex. I want someone I connect with mentally/emotionally as well as physically. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 06:53 PM |
| 0 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenI'm female. -_- | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 06:51 PM |
| 6 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenIt's true that many of the points for women are things they can do something about. However, using dating apps works against them if they're trying to avoid getting pregnant by a player, getting STDs, or getting killed, raped, or injured. My point is that dating apps suck for women (and men too but the reasons differ). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:43 PM |
| 7 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenHmmm. Yeah, I spend the vast majority of my time outside the house at work and school. Maybe if I meet someone I'm into I'll just take a risk and transfer to a different department or employer so that we can try dating each other. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:40 PM |
| 2 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenYes. However, women are encouraged by society and peers to use dating apps and to have casual sex and sold the idea that it's all no big deal. My position is that, on the contrary, dating apps are not a good way for women to find love and even sexual satisfaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:34 PM |
| -6 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenAgreed. However, women are pushed by society and peers to have sex with randos. They're also shamed for not doing so and some men interpret their cautiousness and good judgement as playing games. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:31 PM |
| 1 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenBirth control for women sucks. I wouldn't blame a woman for having gotten accidentally pregnant due to condom failure. Many women have horrible side effects from hormonal birth control as well as the copper IUD. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:30 PM |
| 10 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenIt's a shame that there's so much stigma over meeting at work or school. As a single person I'm at a loss as to how I'm going to meet someone, as I (as previously stated) don't use dating apps and I don't go to bars or clubs. I'm not religious so church isn't an option for me. Ultimately I think I'll have the most luck finding someone I connect with on multiple levels by meeting them through work or school. Maybe it's more doable if you don't work with them but rather work in the same field or t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:28 PM |
| 6 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenExactly. Women are pressured by society and their peers to have casual sex. And some men are of the position that if a woman doesn't put out on the first date she's "frigid" or playing games. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:24 PM |
| 1 | Reasons why online dating sucks for both men and womenCondoms can sometimes fail to prevent conception and some men take them off surreptitiously during sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/11/21 04:18 PM |
| 0 | Why don't wealthy/powerful men think they're too good for hookers/to pay for sex?Women’s primary value to men is sex. Men know it and women know it too. Omg this is so bleak. You really believe this? You don’t think men also value women for companionship, friendship, romance, good company, and/or interesting conversation? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/10/21 07:27 PM |
| 1 | Are "good girls" really what men want?Yeah, unfortunately it’s very true that dating apps are meat markets. It’s annoying that people continue to suggest them as viable ways of meeting a long-term/serious partner. I spent way too long hoping that one day I’d have luck with them because I believed the people who said they were a good way of meeting someone. It’s kind of gaslighting tbh. I felt like I was in the Twilight Zone since many seems to think the nature dating apps was something other than a catalog of people to hookup with. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 08:53 PM |
| 2 | Are "good girls" really what men want?I don’t know that the Me Too cases are fabricated, but I think I can understand the frustration. I tried dating apps but gave up because the men I interacted with were just looking for some quick fun and didn’t seem to care about who I was as a person. I don’t go to bars or clubs because I don’t drink, I don’t really enjoy being around drunk people, and I’m don’t like blaring music. I also don’t have a lot of time to spend hanging around in bars or clubs. So that leaves school and work as places… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/10/21 03:14 PM |
| 2 | Are "good girls" really what men want?In the same woman, or with one woman for each archetype? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/21 07:08 PM |
| 2 | Are "good girls" really what men want?Men like sexual variety. They also like a woman who he can trust to bear him children who are actually his children. So they like both. Can these two elements exist in the same woman? Do men want both elements to be present in the same women, i.e. their wives? Or do they prefer to have one woman to bear their children and one woman to be wild, seductive, and sensual/sexual? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/10/21 06:58 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?There may very well be, but I’ve never identified any. Can you specifically point them out? Otherwise, there’s no solid foundation for the claim. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 05:19 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?I’d think 18-24 would still encompass some growth. In what respects though, if not in sexual development? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 05:06 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?Yes. I’m speaking of physically not mentally. Body proportions are that of an adult by age 18. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 04:57 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.I value the sharing of first experiences. Her first or your first? Or both? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:31 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?Is a woman significantly less young looking and beautiful at 26 than she was at 18? That’s what I’m confused on. 20 somethings can often pass for much younger. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:29 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?18 year old girls are simply hotter than 26 year olds. How though? As far as I can tell 26 year olds can generally pass for younger. They don’t look aged to me. And again, I’m not saying this to make myself feel good. I’m younger than 26. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:25 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?they have both neotinous characteristics that trigger a man's protective instinct, but also are fully developed sexually. How can only have “neotinous” (what exactly does that mean) characteristics and also be fully developed sexually and be physically an adult (assuming “neotinous” means “childlike”? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:23 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?No most men regardless of age are most attracted to younger women, whereas women tend to be most attracted to men around the same age as them. My question is: is there a meaningful difference in looks and visual signs of youthfulness between an 18 and a 24 year old? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:15 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?But is there a significant difference in visual signs of youth between an 18 and a 24 year old, for example? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 03:14 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 01:58 PM |
| 2 | [Q4M] Why do a significant portion of non-college age men in the manosphere/Redpill sphere SPECIFICALLY prefer 18-year-old women over those 20-26?It’s not a straw man because I’m not arguing a point - I’m asking a question and explaining my point of confusion. It’s a Q4M, not a CMV. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/09/21 01:57 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.What cherry-picking? This is the foundation of Redpill theory. Having a husband who doesn’t desire you and relies on cheating, sex workers, and/or porn for sexual satisfaction is not a sexually or emotionally satisfying arrangement for a woman of any age. Where’s the connection between the partners? Where’s their relationship? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/21 03:41 PM |
| 10 | CMV: When young women have it harder in life, men have an easier time dating them.By the same token, when women are disenfranchised and not allowed equal rights, they’re desperate for men because they need one to provide them with the things they should have been allowed to acquire for themselves. It sounds like you wish women were oppressed so that they would be more desperate for you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/09/21 03:06 PM |
| 3 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.But in this proposed reality the man is obviously contributing way less. There’s a point at which it just becomes blatantly unfair. Edit: I don’t get how Redpill men think women are attracted to rich “alphas” who don’t want marriage and won’t spend a dime on their female partners. That’s analogous to women thinking men will shower them with money and stuff just for gracing them with their presences. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 11:12 PM |
| 2 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.How is it fair for the woman to both do all the housework and childcare (or most of it) AND work full time? That would make it so that she’s contributing way more than the man. And then there’s pregnancy and childbearing, which take a huge amount of energy from the woman and irreversibly change her body in often negative ways (I’m talking about pain and dysfunction, not just cosmetics). Not to mention mortality rates are relatively high. This is not 50/50. This is more like 80/20 - the woman’s c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 10:47 PM |
| 1 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.I think what they mean is that it’s fishy that (certain) men express lust for 18 year olds SPECIFICALLY - as in, they find 18 years olds orders of magnitude more desirable than 24 year olds, who have barely aged (all things being equal, no pregnancy involved). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 10:09 PM |
| 3 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.A woman that comes to me at her 30s has lost most of her value. A woman that gave me her 20s gave me a lot of benefit How? Does it just come down to fertility? A woman in her 30s is typically more self-aware, emotionally mature, her brain is fully developed, and she typically already has a career and is much more likely to make a decent income. Additionally, she probably knows herself and who is is, and knows what she likes sexually and how her body works. Then there’s the wisdom that simply com… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 01:50 AM |
| 5 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Employers had to have a gun held to their heads by the state to force them to hire women. Employers are not stupid. Not sure if this is true or not, but why do you say this is? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/09/21 01:05 AM |
| 9 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Women can now have kids via intrauterine insemination. Technically they don’t need male partners or even to have sex with men in order to reproduce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 10:41 PM |
| 13 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.I second this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 09:02 PM |
| 12 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Very true that many men may simply cheat and keep their wife because she takes care of the kids and does the housework. I don’t think this is at all healthy or respectful. But I know women for whom this is the reality. In other words, once she hits 30, it’s probably cheaper to keep her and I’m certainly not going back to doing my own laundry. I don’t think it’s very dignified or desirable to simply go from bangmaid to housemaid. Especially not when you could have been investing in a career, buil… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:57 PM |
| 2 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.In one Entrepreneurs in Cars YouTube video, Rich (the channel owner) advised a young man who wanted a threesome to take the strategy of having his “LTR” choose the other woman on Bumble or Tinder. So it seems this is common, or at least normalized, in the redpill sphere. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:51 PM |
| 6 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Dating isn't just "investing in men you might break up with," it's gaining valuable experience on how to deal with issues that arise in an intimate relationships and learning how to compromise and problem-solve with someone regularly and over a sustained period of time. Those are social skills that you can't just decide you want to pick up past the age of 30 just as quickly as if you were younger. True. My position is that it’s unwise for women to have kids for and do housework for men - if ind… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:36 PM |
| 10 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Condoms don’t protect against skin to skin transmitted STDs. Monogamy is one of the best ways to reduce one’s risk of contracting such an infection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:27 PM |
| 9 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.They wouldn’t have to drop them, to be fair. They may very well simply cheat and have a “No can do” attitude about it if their wives find out, leaving her to choose between staying with an unfaithful husband and seeking divorce. I know women who’s husbands operate like this. They still provide for them and do their “husband duties” but bang other women on the side. This still seems quite toxic to me due to the betrayal, the exposure to STDs, and simply knowing your partner’s energy is divided am… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:25 PM |
| 16 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.I was thinking this as well. Take this scenario: man and woman get married and have kids together. Man provides while woman bears children and keeps the home. Man climbs higher in status and income and loses attraction for his aging wife whose body has borne children and naturally changed. Man starts banging college girls on the side in secret. Wife finds out. Wife initiates divorce. Edit: I don’t think it can be said, overall, that the demise of the relationship was the wife’s doing. No law or … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:15 PM |
| 21 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Even if he doesn’t leave you, how is a woman’s man cheating on her, possibly giving her STDs, and overall losing interest and attraction for her a good deal? That all sounds toxic to me. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 08:05 PM |
| 15 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.if you know that your value drops after 30, then you should exploit youth and land the best man while you still can. This is still an unwise move because there’s no telling if the man will stay with a woman once she’s past 30. He could just separate from her and go for a “younger model” - or cheat and do it on the down-low. Meanwhile, the woman had kids and did domestic labor instead of investing in skills employers value, and will likely have to take a minimum-wage job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 07:56 PM |
| 32 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.Agreed. I don’t necessarily believe all men feel the way redpill men do. My OP is assuming redpill men are correct and honestly reporting their opinions and feelings about women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 07:51 PM |
| 23 | [CMV] It’s unwise for women to invest in romantic relationships with men if they aren’t valuable to men past age 30.It is repeatedly emphasized, especially in the manosphere/redpill sphere, that men desire youth/beauty and women desire money and status. A woman’s youth/beauty is considerable more ephemeral than a man’s wealth and status. If women’s level of hotness is low after age 30 and what men value most about women is youth and beauty, then how can it be that men value women much who are 30 or older - even if they are married to them? Marriage doesn’t halt the passage of time. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/09/21 07:50 PM |
| 2 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?So you want her to work AND be the designated primary housekeeper and child-caregiver? And you don’t intend to provide for her in return for taking on most of the work in the family? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 16/09/21 04:20 AM |
| 2 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?It does affect you. Her having her own income will mean she won’t need to ask you for money/resources or ever regard you as an unofficial sugar daddy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 10:36 PM |
| 5 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?Exactly. What woman is going to forego having a career that pays six figures just to be given an allowance that only covers the basic necessities? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 10:25 PM |
| 6 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?And they also complain about women needing money from them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 06:44 PM |
| 10 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?Regardless, there’s no grounds to complain about women working... people need to work to meet their basic needs and enjoy life (they need an income). | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 06:43 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?If you want your existing or hypothetical female partner to not work, would you marry/are you married to her so that in the event of a breakup she’s not left with nothing? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 03:29 PM |
| 1 | [Q4M] If you don’t want women to have careers/work, what do you expect them to do to obtain money, resources, and meet their needs?You mean you don’t want a female partner of yours working? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/09/21 03:28 PM |
| 1 | Women focus on careers because a career is a good investment, a man generally isn'tAs a childfree woman I’m even more invested in my education than I would be if I were remotely open to bearing children. My work will be my provider. I’m heterosexual and I desire a male partner for other reasons - but I’ve already reconciled that I will not be exchanging the services of my womb for a man’s providing. Therefore, my career will be my provider. I need some source of income. Men who complain about women pursuing careers forget that for some of these women, being a provided for hous… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/09/21 03:59 AM |
| 1 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?Wow. You’re that certain that tattooed women are extremely promiscuous? You don’t think there are any women who have tattoos who are not promiscuous? Lol I know some. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/09/21 01:48 PM |
| 1 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?What about piercings? Like ear lobe piercings, belly button piercings, nose piercings, ear cartilage piercings? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/21 04:25 AM |
| 2 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?I think that while there are perfectly valid reasons for not wanting to date a single parent, one main reason manosphere men are averse to single moms is that already having a child is yet another indicator that she existed before she met him, has a past, and has life experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/21 03:06 AM |
| 2 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?It’s no coincidence they want the youngest women/girls possible and do not want her to have a fully formed adult personality or life. I’ve always been mystified as to what the big deal is about dating an 18 year old woman vs dating a 25 year old woman. A 25 year old does not typically look “aged.” However, a 25 year old has significantly more life experience and perspective than an 18 year old. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/21 02:37 AM |
| 3 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?Very thought-provoking. I myself am very focused on education and career and feel some anxiety that establishing, expressing, and evolving myself will turn men off. As I go through life I continue to unfold and gain wisdom, which I worry men will see as me being “expired” since I’m not a blank slate - even if I still look young. I think men are afraid of educated and wise women because they know these women have a lower tolerance for BS. I think one reason men dislike women over 30 (though I’m n… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/21 01:38 AM |
| 3 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?But she would be boring as hell. She’d basically just be a baby incubator. And the men who want such a woman, by virtue of their preference for a personality-, history-, and education-free blank slate, reveal that they don’t want a woman but a tool. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/09/21 01:35 AM |
| 2 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?Why do tattoos = slut? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/21 07:46 PM |
| 1 | Why does the manosphere have an aversion to women with tattoos?What does that mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/09/21 07:37 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Freaky. Shes adventurous in the bedroom. She initiates and has fun kinks. I never quite know what people mean by "freaky" and "adventurous in the bedroom." Is that like role-playing? Wearing costumes? Having sex at unusual times/in unusual places? Being flirtatious/suggestive throughout the day? Tying each other up? Using toys? Does it include stuff like choking, anal sex, S&M, and other physically injurious (and sometimes deadly) acts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 12:56 AM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?How significant a factor is breast and butt size? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 12:52 AM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?I'm 24 and still a virgin. You better believe no man's gonna touch me unless he does it right and proves himself to be trustworthy and of moral integrity. I do believe everyone has to "bring something to the table" in a relationship (be it romantic, sexual, business, academic, etc.), but I'm quite firm on my boundaries and I've enforced them many times throughout my life. Sexual monogamy and recent, complete STD testing are absolutely required for a man to penetrate me, though there are other co… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 12:25 AM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?In the context of dating and relationships, I don't think I decide my own value. I think it's important to do your best in a relationship - being financially responsible, taking care of yourself, being communicative, taking your partner's needs into account, etc. I think some partners have more value than others (not inherently but in the context of relationships). However, I'm sure as hell not going to be any man's doormat. I know my boundaries and needs and I'm not one to self-sacrifice. I car… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/09/21 12:16 AM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Do butts have to be big to be nice? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 09:41 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?What makes for a nice butt? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 09:40 PM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Why a hairless body? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 06:12 PM |
| 5 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Higher chances of harboring STDs aside, why do men have so much against women with high body counts? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 05:20 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Why no tattoos? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 05:19 PM |
| 3 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?What particular things in terms of looks? Like what BMI, what height, what breast size, what butt size? What other physical features? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 03:21 PM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?If she is all those things and is at least a 7 What makes a woman a 7? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 03:19 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?One of my 3 physical types. What are those types? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 03:17 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?She is relatively sane for a woman. In what ways do you think that most women are not sane? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 02:40 PM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?Has to be smart. Doesn't necessarily have to be in an academic sense but intellectual curiosity is a must. Is it a turn-off to you if she's highly educated and/or has a career? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 02:39 PM |
| 1 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?sexually creative What do you mean by that? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 02:38 PM |
| 2 | What makes a woman "relationship material"?What does that mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/09/21 02:24 PM |
| 2 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?Avoid accepting the the chances and opportunities you will get just for being a woman. People will want to help you just to increase their chances to fuck you. That is just part of being a young woman. Using those opportunities is a form of freeloading. By that, do you mean women should pay for their food/admission or splitting the check on dates - even if the man insists on paying for her? That they should turn down men's offers to pay for them on dates or once in a relationship? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:51 AM |
| 2 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?As for what women can do, well nothing to be honest, they can't by nature because that's how the pecking order is designed. What do you mean "they can't by nature"? Are you saying women can't bring home the bacon to the extent that men can? That they can't contribute to society to an equal extent that men do unless they have kids, cook, and clean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:49 AM |
| 2 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?"Women consume the most and don’t produce enough." So what can a woman do to make this more fair (if she doesn't want kids or to be the designated household maid/cook)? I ask about what a woman (in the singular) can do because I want the advice to be actionable, and one woman can't act on behalf of anyone else but herself. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:38 AM |
| 1 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?They split the cost of hiring a housekeeper, as one solution. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:33 AM |
| 1 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?Is not like she would be ok with me earning minimum wage until I die because she can pay for herself. You should be striving to earn more than minimum wage for your own satisfaction, not to get a woman. I think most people, man or woman, would be turned off by a partner who had no direction or desire to improve in life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:26 AM |
| 1 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?What do you mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:22 AM |
| 2 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?"Also what do you mean by not wanting to do "traditionally womanly duties"?" Not being the designated maid/cook/household shopper. It doesn't mean she wouldn't do ANY cleaning/laundry, cooking, and shopping. She'd be doing roughly half, or she'd be chipping in half the cost of hiring a housekeeper. "If a woman does not want to do "traditionally womanly duties"... then what does she bring to the table that I can't get on my own or from my male friends?" Unless the guy is gay, then he'd have the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:08 AM |
| 2 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?If the couple lived together, she'd be doing roughly half the chores, grocery shopping, cooking, etc. She just wouldn't be the designated maid/cook. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 04:03 AM |
| 3 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?"Do you mean in a relationship, or in general? If she's not going to contribute to any of that, what's the point of being in a relationship with her?" Liking her personality? Being attracted to her? Enjoying her company? She'd be covering herself financially so there would be no need to spend a dime on her. "I don't know if you could buy your way through a relationship. People have tried and it doesn't work that well." How is having a good-paying, secure job "buying your way through a relationsh… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 03:51 AM |
| 3 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?I'm more than willing to split the rent if we live together. In a relationship, I intend to pay all my own bills, pay for my own groceries, and use my own money to cover my basic necessities as well as my desires beyond that. On dates, I intend to either split the check or pay for my own food items/admission. Essentially, a man who is in a relationship with me will not need to spend a dime on me. How is that "bringing misfortune to a man"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 03:48 AM |
| 1 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?So what should a woman do to pull her weight if she's not going to have any kids and doesn't want to do housework/laundry/cooking? I was imagining taking on jobs that, in terms of pay, are more on par with what men's jobs tend to be in salary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 03:42 AM |
| 3 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?I've never "shit on" a guy for hitting on me, told him to eff off, called him a creep, etc. I've never accused a man of mansplaining to me. I'm literally a virgin, which is corroborated by my post history where I've expressed that fact on numerous subs, including women's subs. I've never even kissed anyone romantically. You don't know me. Stop making assumptions about who I am or how I've lived my life. I made my OP in an effort to understand "the other side" (men's side) and do my part to live … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 03:40 AM |
| 3 | To those who believe "men have built society" and women freeload off of men's labor, what would a woman have to do to "pull her weight" in society?What about for women who are already in shape, have low/no body counts, and are not combative? My OP is partly asking for myself. All of the aforementioned traits I mention in this comment are traits I already possess. I want to know how to be fair in a relationship in which I won't be having kids or doing any traditionally womanly duties. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/09/21 03:04 AM |
| 2 | [Q4All] What is your opinion on monogamy?Why not? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 06:45 PM |
| 4 | Would you date a woman you met at work?Being a waitress isn't a very intellectually stimulating job and would bore certain types of women, who would rather go to school and apply their education. Also, if a woman is gonna be working, why not work in a better paying job than being a waitress? Lol. More money per hour. If the hours are gonna go by anyway, why not a higher pay rate? I just don't understand. If it's "beta" to provide for a woman who's not having kids with the man, then why the aversion to her going to school and getting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 02:49 AM |
| 3 | Would you date a woman you met at work?Men generally don't care that you are university graduated, it doesn't make you more attractive and we aren't looking for a provider. They may not be looking for a provider but if some of these men don't want kids, and are looking for a woman who doesn't want kids, wouldn't they want her to "pull her weight" financially in the relationship, i.e. work? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 02:33 AM |
| 4 | Would you date a woman you met at work?I'm a woman lol. I mean I'd like to meet men organically, through work or school etc. And I don't want kids, so I think it's on me to make enough to support myself even in a relationship since I won't be providing offspring and/or being a SAHM. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 02:05 AM |
| 5 | Would you date a woman you met at work?I see. Don't you think, though, that a woman should be able to support herself financially on her own in a relationship if she doesn't want kids (assuming the man doesn't, either, and that they're compatible on that point)? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 01:47 AM |
| 8 | Would you date a woman you met at work?Wow, that really sucks. If indeed feminism is responsible for this development, then I regret that it has had such a vast reach. Dating apps and bars, in my opinion, are horrible ways to meet people. The advice "meet someone through doing something you already enjoy" doesn't do much good if one enjoys and invests a lot of time in their career. I'm a feminist, but honestly, the sentiment about men asking women out in casual/everyday settings seems paranoid and I'm pissed about it. I'd rather get … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/09/21 01:43 AM |
| 9 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?Something I've been reflecting on lately is how, with me and I think many other women as well, even with pregnancy taken out of the equation there's still a big difference in how we approach sex and relationships compared to how men do. To me it drives home the point that pregnancy or no pregnancy, evolution has made it so we're not the same as men and it brings peace of mind to acknowledge and accept that. I mean, my body doesn't know I'm childfree. My pituitary gland has no idea I've been ster… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 02:25 PM |
| 10 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?Yes. That's why I intend to not even do the "girlfriend" phase, not move in before marriage, etc. I've decided that a guy doesn't get to have all of me if we're not married plus other signs of genuine commitment. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 02:16 PM |
| 28 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?I hate how beating around the bush and being vague is seen as "cool" and makes you a "chill" person. Screw that. I think it's just another way of being a "cool girl." Edit: I'm also dumbfounded at how many men are so full of themselves that when they ask what I'm looking for and I say "a relationship" what they hear is "I want to be you girlfriend will you pleeeease say yes?" Now I'm just gonna say "a relationship with the right man" to make it crystal clear. Seriously, so many of them think tha… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 02:13 PM |
| 11 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?That being said, unfortunately you are not completely correct in your reasoning however. Some men say they do want marriage and a family but they do NOT plan or care to be committed and faithful to their wives. But they will absolutely marry you for benefits (combined income or access to your money, consistent bangmaid, emotional and physical labor, etc), or because it’s expected of them (pressure from family, culture, religion), because they have no other options and they’re settling for you, o… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 05:04 AM |
| 19 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?Do you think it's good to be upfront with men as well when they ask, like the woman in the convo the first commenter quoted? I would think it would be ok, since if I stick to my guns I won't be at risk of giving myself up to someone non-committal. (By "sticking to my guns" I mean not playing "girlfriend" and not living together or (possibly) having PIV sex before marriage. In addition to that, I intend for my money to be mine, by and large. It seems if a guy knew my requirements he'd bow out if … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 04:39 AM |
| 11 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?Wanting marriage does not decrease your chances. At all. That's good to hear! However, I guess I didn't explain myself that clearly. My question was about whether seeking marriage would decrease the chances of ending up with f-boys, not HVM. Essentially, will seeking and requiring marriage before giving all of myself weed out non-committal men and men who just want a "for now" girlfriend? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 04:30 AM |
| 120 | Does seeking marriage decrease your chances of ending up with a man who's not serious about committing to you?Scrote: (Proceeds to scrotesplain to woman that you can't tell a man you want marriage right off the bat, you two have to get to know each other first, and you can't do that because the word 'marriage' will scare men away. It's crazy how women are expected to give all of themselves to men without a single conversation about defining the relationship. Idk if other women are the same, but PIV intercourse would be extremely intimate and vulnerable for me to engage in - even though I'm sterilized an… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 04:12 AM |
| 40 | Yikes....... I mean.. at least he admits what 90% of men won't (scroll)"right now I'll settle for this lady" This really drives home the importance of not building with a man. Reminds me why it's important to have my own life and my own place until we get married, and have the money I earn be for me. Side note: I've come to the opinion that for whatever reason men need to build themselves up on their own (i.e. without their female partner's help) in order to feel fulfilled. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/08/21 02:32 AM |
| 90 | "Activity dates are best for first dates because they enable you to get to know each other better and in a lower-stress manner": solid dating advice or liable to make women lower their standards?Going bowling, walking around, or throwing things will pull focus from the conversation. Activity dates are distracting. I feel the same way. First dates are occasions when I need to be in tune with my intuition the most, and I have to be in a sort of meditative, undistracted state to really have access to it. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/08/21 12:40 AM |
| 29 | "Activity dates are best for first dates because they enable you to get to know each other better and in a lower-stress manner": solid dating advice or liable to make women lower their standards?I think activity dates are appealing only to men who are socially inept and cannot made decent conversation. I think you hit the nail on the head. Also, I don’t want to have to work on dates - especially if it’s after work or school. I want to rest and relax. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/08/21 12:35 AM |
| 26 | "Activity dates are best for first dates because they enable you to get to know each other better and in a lower-stress manner": solid dating advice or liable to make women lower their standards?I want to sit my ass down and concentrate and actually get to know a person. I don't want to be sweating and climbing up rocks, or trying to shout over people at a noisy arcade or whatever bullshit. Honestly, I can really relate. Maybe it’s because I tend to be on the introverted side or something, but I easily get overstimulated and I think I’d actually have a harder time gauging a man’s character if there was too much going on. Maybe a light activity that doesn’t require too much concentration… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/08/21 12:28 AM |
| 5 | OP upset that a Tinder match cut it off after a “public place” date following chatting and a virtual date. FDS working in the wild. 👑First dates should be a meal, period; What do you think of the often cited dating advice that “activity dates” are the best because they - as the advice goes - enable you two to get to know each other better in a lower stress manner? Do you think it’s trying to get women to lower their standards, or good advice? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 14/08/21 11:32 PM |
| 24 | OP upset that a Tinder match cut it off after a “public place” date following chatting and a virtual date. FDS working in the wild. 👑He says she was the best he's ever matched with, This makes me feel a lot better. The idea that men being inconsiderate on dates had nothing to do with me or how attracted to me they were, but rather everything to do with them. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 14/08/21 11:29 PM |
| -3 | No, women don't prefer "pre-selected" men (aka male "sluts").Exactly. No one wants half a partner. Or one fourth of a partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/21 06:52 AM |
| 0 | No, women don't prefer "pre-selected" men (aka male "sluts").But why wouldn't it work the same with women for men? Why wouldn't they find a woman who's had a boyfriend more vetted and more "dateable"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/21 05:07 AM |
| 6 | No, women don't prefer "pre-selected" men (aka male "sluts").The 33 Secrets guy alleges that women are into male sluts even if they want LTRs and not flings. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/08/21 04:49 AM |
| 1 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?What makes a woman “shrill” in your opinion? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/08/21 03:41 AM |
| 2 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?Hmm, that's interesting. What you say makes sense, although it's surprising to me considering that according to your flair you're "red leaning." Of the RP content I've encountered, I've only heard discussion of having a stay-at-home partner in the context of having/raising kids. I've encountered a lot of RP or red-leaning men on this sub, actually, who have said there's no point to a LTR (let alone marriage) if the couple doesn't have kids. I've seen many say women who don't want kids can at bes… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/21 03:28 AM |
| 1 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?I see. Otherwise I just hope her job doesn’t take up too much time and energy. I’d rather she doesn’t work at all though. Why not - even if you two never have kids? What would you prefer she be doing with her time and energy if not working? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/21 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?I see. What do you mean by time an energy though? Like, being free (generally) to spend time with you when you’re not working? Having more attention for the relationship and possibly less stress since she’s not working? Planning outings? How would that play out in practical terms is what I’m trying to ask. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/21 01:27 AM |
| 2 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?I want someone that can put time and energy into the relationship, the more, the better. The more time she dedicates to other stuff like a job or a career the less she has to give. What would she be putting into the relationship that you wouldn’t be? What would she be giving that she is able to give because she doesn’t have a job/career or doesn’t work as many hours as you do? I ask because, if you work full time, there are clearly going to be things you’re not able to do or not able to do as mu… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/08/21 12:58 AM |
| 6 | Is a woman's career trivial regarding her prospect as a long-term partner/wife if the couple doesn't want kids?Would a man take a more attractive woman who makes less over a less attractive woman who makes more? Absolutely. Yeah, without making any moral judgements on it, that's my observation as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/21 11:07 PM |
| – | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?these women just focus on things of low value to us What if the couple doesn't want kids? Then would a woman's career matter more? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 06/08/21 10:08 PM |
| 6 | Romantic and sexual interest are just differentMy first thought as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 04/08/21 06:01 AM |
| 2 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.So as someone who doesn't want kids and seeks a male partner who doesn't either, how much of this principle of comparative advantage applies to me? While I don't desire to have kids I do desire an LTR and ideally marriage. I want a career, but all I know at the moment is that I want a career to 1) intellectually stimulate me, 2) provide fulfillment in the community (it's a helping profession, not a business position), and 3) pay my bills and fund my desires. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/21 01:06 AM |
| 2 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.Well, since I'm CF I'd like to be with a CF man. I think the kind of man I'd like to commit to would be looking for the same thing I am: emotional and physical intimacy, a life partner, a best friend, and a deep connection with another human being. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 03/08/21 12:58 AM |
| 1 | Are women on dating apps truly the 30+, post-wall “leftovers” generally speaking when we’re in the middle of a covid resurgence?My point is their claim is inaccurate. I've used OLD and I'm skinny, young, and don't have kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 09:42 PM |
| 0 | Are women on dating apps truly the 30+, post-wall “leftovers” generally speaking when we’re in the middle of a covid resurgence?Yeah, exactly. I've used OLD before... my point is, not all women on there are undesirable as RP defines it with what RP people say are absolute dealbreakers. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 09:24 PM |
| 1 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.Is that sarcastic? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 08:35 PM |
| 6 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.I don’t want kids so my fertility doesn’t matter to me. I don’t want the sex in the city lifestyle; I want a commited LTR and ideally marriage but minus having kids afterwards. I don’t intend to climb any corporate ladders. I do, though, want to be able to support a good lifestyle for myself on my own, whether I have a partner or not. It’s for my own safety and well-being, not to impress men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 08:24 PM |
| 6 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.Having a life partner, physical and emotional intimacy, a deep human connection. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 08:17 PM |
| 3 | Are women on dating apps truly the 30+, post-wall “leftovers” generally speaking when we’re in the middle of a covid resurgence?Why do RP gurus always preach this then? They act like dating apps are full of swamp creatures of women. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 07:38 PM |
| 8 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.I don’t want children though. I’m childfree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:54 PM |
| 13 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.What do you mean? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:52 PM |
| 9 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.In theory sure, but this pandemic sure is putting a wrench in it. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:47 PM |
| 19 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.True, but if you’re not in a relationship yet, dating does take a lot of time and energy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:26 PM |
| 4 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.I don’t want sex in the city. I’d like to settle down just as most other people, minus having kids afterward. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:23 PM |
| 5 | “Women should prioritize settling down in their 20s and career in their 30s”: this is bad advice in most cases.Most men don’t want to settle down in their 20s. They have always been oriented toward building a foundation before doing so. Now women are as well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 02/08/21 06:11 PM |
| 6 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?I'm not talking about "live off of" in the sense of "being completely dependent on and not being able to support oneself." I meant it in the sense of "allowing their money to cover some of your living expenses." I thought the recommendation was to, for the most part, save your money as a woman and if you're in a relationship with a man, more of his money will go to common expenses than yours because otherwise that would be 50/50. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 11:47 PM |
| 3 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?Basically someone who isn't living off of them, and has something to do with her live. If they had the mentality that they were to provide, then isn’t that allowing someone to “live off of” you? I’m a little confused lol. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 04:33 PM |
| 8 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?My most recent ex used to say that no wife of his will ever HAVE to work, if she works it will be entirely her choice and I really respected that. My money is for me, my partner's money is for us. That sounds nice. I just really anticipate that if I find a CF man to date he will take it as a given that I’ll be contributing 50% to make it “fair” - especially since we aren’t having kids. I anticipate he will treat me like a coworker and I REALLY don’t want that. If that happens I’m out - that’s ju… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 04:31 PM |
| 17 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?That sounds really nice. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 04:25 PM |
| 44 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?Yeah I often get the sense what they say is out of spite and vengefulness. “You’re childfree? Fine then, don’t expect any man to pay on dates, act protective, etc. Oh, and you’re basically a man now since you’ve rejected the holy grail of femininity: childbearing. Don’t lose all hope though - you might qualify to be a guy’s FWB.” | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 04:23 PM |
| 19 | Do you think childfree men are less inclined to provide or less or more likely to be HV than non-childfree men?were less emotionally mature than single dads and very self-cantered, mummy boys type. Yeah, that’s what I’m afraid of. Of course, I don’t want to generalize either. But I’m definitely wary that perhaps the CF lifestyle attracts those who shy away from responsibility and accountability and who are immature. Going through the childfree sub I’ve always seen a fair number of posts about how one thing many like about being CF is being able to do kid things as an adult and fully experience/enjoy it. … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 09:32 AM |
| 34 | Angry scrote literally admits that only 25% of men are dateable and women aren’t settling. Proceeds to get roasted by one of our queens 😂Seriously though, if such a small proportion of men meet standards like 1) respect women, 2) practice basic hygiene and sexual hygiene 3) care about pleasing a female sexual partner, 4) are fit and in good health, and 5) are gainfully employed, how are there going to be enough for all of us? 😅 | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 07:40 AM |
| 8 | 💡Don’t have penetrative sex with a man unless he can bring you to orgasm with his hands and/or mouth first.💡What you’re saying here makes sense. It’s only logical that if someone is selfish and unaware in conversation they will be selfish unaware in other contexts as well. It’s just hard to accept this. Part of me wants to conveniently forget it and believe that considerate men aren’t so scarce. I have skin hunger too. It’s definitely true that the media influences us to have unrealistic expectations of sex and relationships. I guess if it were realistic, it would be too mundane and boring. Even eroti… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/07/21 07:26 AM |
| 12 | A very serious warning: keep your eyes wide open with men that seem to work too much.Yeah, so many manosphere guys preach that if a woman just does what women “should” do and cooks/cleans/has kids, she will be rewarded with her man’s undying devotion. They say he will only have eyes for her. This is usually in response to some comment on PPD I’ve made about how I’m childfree. Having kids is a huge risk since a woman never knows if she’ll actually reach that magical land of undying devotion or if she’ll be cheated on and regarded as a baby incubator and legacy propagation machine… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 27/07/21 02:53 PM |
| 12 | The clearest display of “if he wanted to, he would” that I’ve ever experiencedMens actions are typically a reflection on them, not you. You're wondering what you're doing wrong because men aren't treating you this way, but it's because they're LVM, not because you're not attractive. It doesn't matter who you are, most of these men would never put in the effort or even know how to behave like this guy. I’d like to believe that, but I’m worried it would just be a cope on my part. I will say that I think it’s profound that even men who are “below my league” or decades older … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 25/07/21 03:42 PM |
| -19 | The clearest display of “if he wanted to, he would” that I’ve ever experiencedThat’s a poignant account, and I believe you’re right that even in the face of difficult life circumstances someone will make time for you if they’re really interested. However, what about those of us who have never experienced such interest? What about those of us who have only been lackadaisically “pursued” by men who neg and bully us, invite us to eat delivery on their couches for the first time meeting, prefer texting/Snapchat over talking on the phone or actually meeting in person, and make… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 25/07/21 02:50 PM |
| – | Men want to feel needed and provide.Practically speaking though, men have taken on the most “painful” aspects of dating to meet with me - for example, taking an hour long Uber ride each way to see me (pricy!) paying for my dinner, driving from a neighboring city. I have never travelled more than 20 minutes to meet a guy, split a bill, or paid for my date’s dinner. Yet I am not a mother and I have not birthed any of their progeny. Reddit men have implied I didn’t deserve any of these investments on their part because I’m CF. Nevert… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 12:35 AM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Childbirth has always been a main killer of women. It’s actually safer now than it was when we didn’t have food so widely available - because now we have modern medicine. It’s not about having pre-existing conditions or being overweight. Research the physics of childbirth especially as it pertains to bipedalism, pelvic width, and the size of babies’ brains/skulls. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 25/07/21 12:30 AM |
| – | Men want to feel needed and provide.Yeah, well most men on this sub have kindly informed me that since I’m CF there should be no providing/protecting/typical male gender role performance whatsoever for my sake. According to them only mothers and aspiring mothers deserve that. Even if the CF woman and man like each other, are a good match, and have a fulfilling sex life, the guy - according to them - he shouldn’t spend a dime on her or lift heavy objects and such because she doesn’t deserve it on account of being CF. In their view,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 09:25 PM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."That would make more sense. As a CF person I can relate to wanting to pay less in taxes since I’m not benefitting from them as much as parents are. Of course I don’t believe any child should be left in destitution, but the issue is complex because if the public benefits are there, people won’t consider that perhaps having kids or having more kids will place a burden on others, especially CF people. You’re right that, in a sense, all taxpayers finance a child’s life. I can see how it’s somewhat c… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Men want to feel needed and provide.Men want to feel needed and provide. I don't think they do. I think they are WILLING to do things for women and provide if they're getting what they want out of it, i.e. sex, but mainly offspring. I say this because seemingly all over this sub are men claiming there's no point in doing anything nice for a woman if the woman isn't giving them sex and babies (babies being the most important to them). Countless men on this sub have told me, a childfree woman who never wants to be a parent, that I w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 03:00 AM |
| – | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Women can now have children without fathers involved, either through casual sex or sperm donation. They can, but the proportion who have kids via these methods is incredibly small. Sperm donation is far from the norm, and even women who end up as single moms usually don’t conceive with a hookup or FWB. If most women or do not have kids are employed should they not be for less public benefits since they should have the resources to take care of themselves? I’m not sure what you’re asking; there s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 02:46 AM |
| – | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I am fine working in a capitalist society but the social benefits of society are set to benefit women, men contribute a net gain of around 170,000 to society while women take away that same amount. Every child has a mother AND a father, so the state providing resources for children means the state is proving resources for children men played a role in conceiving. The only way what you argue would be true would be if a large swath of women neither had kids nor worked but received the same public … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 02:28 AM |
| – | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Lmao it would be self-sabotage for a man to “drop out of society.” To get by in a capitalist system you have to sell yourself and commodity your labor, which produces value for others (that’s why they pay you) and provides you with income. I’m not endorsing human extinction. First, I think there are enough women who want to give birth that it won’t happen. Second, I believe the most humane thing to do is to develop gestation outside the human body so women are spared from having to go through pr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/07/21 02:06 AM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Most women aren't rich celebrities who can afford the best plastic surgeons. Most women can't "bounce back" like Katy Perry supposedly did - and with Photoshop and shapewear, we don't know if she actually did "bounce back." Having kids young doesn't prevent the long-lasting effects of pregnancy and birth on a woman's body. Largely, it's about the physics of housing a 7-9 pound (on average) baby in your torso and forcing it through a tiny hole, not age. Also, CF women aren't looking to settle dow… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/21 06:56 PM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I said IF such women has no discipline nor the money to fix it. Your talking points are basically this. My objection comes from OLD you can take a real look how it actually is, single mothers OLD tinder, bumble, the vast majority are not fit nor close to what they had. My point is that, if a woman takes care of herself and also doesn’t ever get pregnant, she will look significantly younger than her age. There’s less of an urgency to “return to a better body” because she never got pregnant in the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/21 06:23 PM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."The younger a female body is the better it will recover from birth to return to be sexy and attractive, the older it is the fatter it will get IF such women has no discipline nor the money to fix it. The difference in how pregnancy affects women's looks and bodily integrity in early 20s vs 30s isn't that significant. A baby is a baby, and forcing a 7-9 lb human through a pelvis and out of a tiny hole has the results you would imagine. Housing a 7-9 lb baby in your belly stretches the abdominal s… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/21 01:57 AM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Because the manosphere, including Greg Adams himself, bashes women for not having kids and seems to think women owe society childbearing. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/07/21 01:38 AM |
| 2 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?Hmm, ok. Do you think CF men tend to have more resources than men planning to have kids? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 11:36 PM |
| 2 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?Why would Pickmes that want kids try to date CF men? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 09:15 PM |
| 5 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?Exactly. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 09:14 PM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Incorrect. Some CF don’t like kids. Some do. Some are neutral about them. I’m CF and I like kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 05:27 PM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."The circumstances under which I would have kids are impossible, it's merely an outlandish hypothetical. This is why you don’t fit the definition of “childfree.” Childfree people wouldn’t have kids under ANY circumstances, no matter how outlandish. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 05:11 PM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I see. Are you of the Redpill sect? I’m just curious because most RP prefer to pump and dump. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 03:17 PM |
| 5 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Even if they restrained themselves from doing those things, I think they would still privately yearn to be having sex with women who have more youthful-looking bodies (likely those who haven’t been pregnant and who are also young) instead. They may use willpower to avoid cheating or consuming the content of women in the sex industry, but the wish will remain. I can’t go for that. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:53 PM |
| 5 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."The problem is using the word CF to describe yourself when you’re not actually CF. The problem is that this causes society to think “childfree” refers to a woman who would have kids if she just met “the right man.” That’s not childfree. This is what leads to doctors denying CF women’s sterilization surgery, and sometimes even IUDs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:40 PM |
| 4 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Just out of curiosity, are you Redpill? In my perception RP teaches that there’s no benefit to committing to a woman who isn’t having your kids, and that CF men would have more fun pumping and dumping as many different women as possible until they kick the bucket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 08:47 AM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Just out of curiosity, are you Redpill? In my perception RP teaches that there’s no benefit to committing to a woman who isn’t having your kids, and that CF men would have more fun pumping and dumping as many different women as possible until they kick the bucket. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 08:42 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Whoah, big bad stretch marks. As I’ve already said, stretch marks are only the tip of the iceberg regarding cosmetic changes. I also mentioned the likelihood of changes in body fat distribution, loss of abdominal/breast skin elasticity, breast ptosis (drooping), cellulite, and having an apple shaped figure - whereas before kids it was more of an hourglass - even years after the most recent child was born. IMO stretch marks are no biggie compared to most of that stuff. Or is it more about how men… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 08:20 AM |
| 4 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."K. 🤦♀️I don't know if you didn't read the thread or something, but you're by definition not CF if you're willing to have kids under particular circumstances. You and I are not the same in that regard and we need different terms to describe us, respectively. Sigh | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 08:11 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."significantly different story when they're caused by his own kids. There may be a difference, but I don’t think it will stop him from wishing he could have sex with nulliparous (never been pregnant) women instead and privately lamenting the changes to his children’s mother’s body caused by reproducing. I don’t even want to adopt kids, so it’s not like I would get pregnant or give birth if it weren’t for the complications. Additionally, my aversion to the cosmetic changes is mostly about wanting … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 07:33 AM |
| 17 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?The danger is that no one will believe women when they say they never want kids, and that they will be denied sterilization surgery and in some cases even IUDs (that happens as well - I think the rationale is that CF women will be glad if they have an “oops” baby, and other methods of birth control are more likely to fail and make said “oops” baby possible). Also, I stand by my position. I think discovering oneself is like being a paleontologist uncovering a fossil. It takes trying new things to… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 06:26 AM |
| 9 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?Not sure why this comment was downvoted... it checks out. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 06:16 AM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Exactly. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 06:12 AM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."When you look sexy in the mirror, it makes you feel good not because of the characteristics themselves (who the fuck cares about skin, tissue, and bone, anyway?), but what they indicate to you for others: reproductive acceptance -> secured survival. There is no such thing as feeling “sexy for yourself.” What are you, self-sexual? lmao. On an island alone with no one to impress, people don’t care to look good, because looking good was never about oneself and always about reproductive strategy. Th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 05:07 AM |
| 5 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?Yeah, I think I spelled it out pretty thoroughly in my OP that, by definition, “childfree” means you never want to have children under any circumstances and that it’s a deeply-contemplated lifestyle decision. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 04:48 AM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Regardless of what the female body and its feature evolved through natural selection to facilitate, I find certain bodily traits beautiful the way I find certain art or features in nature beautiful. I want to look a certain way because it makes me happy. IDGAF if I’m 100% barren in terms of fertility (technically, I do care - I WANT to be completely barren lol). I want to look sexy, hot, etc. because it makes ME happy and makes me feel attractive and sexually confident. I’d rather enjoy life tha… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 04:45 AM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."There’s no such thing as involuntarily childfree. “Childfree” indicates a lifestyle choice. “Childless” means that one would have kids if the circumstances were right. In some situations it would absolutely be involuntary for the woman - for example, if she has had to have a hysterectomy due to cancer or endometriosis. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 04:23 AM |
| 26 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?If one changes their mind, they weren’t childfree - they just thought they were. This is analogous to someone thinking they’re straight until they try something with the same sex and really enjoy it. They’re not “formerly straight.” They had attraction to the same sex all along and just hadn’t discovered it yet. If all doctors refused to sterilize me because I might have been like you, I would still be unsterilized - and very, very upset. I would probably have to rely on birth control for the re… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 04:14 AM |
| 1 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Whatever. You’re part of the problem then. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 04:04 AM |
| 68 | To the women here who are childfree: how do you define “childfree”?I have no children (and will not until marrying a HVM) but I hope to have them one day so I’ve never described myself as child-free Thank you 🙏. It’s really important that society reserves the term “childfree” for those who don’t want to procreate (or adopt) under any circumstances. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/07/21 03:55 AM |
| 19 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."As much as the men might claim they would still be completely devoted to their wives post-partum after all the changes have taken place BECAUSE SHE GAVE THEM THE WONDERFUL BABIES, I’m sorry, but I don’t believe it. I think they would follow Instagram models, masturbate to OnlyFans girls, and maybe even visit strip clubs or cheat with a secret side chick. Bottom line, I think they would lose a significant amount of attraction for their wives and constantly lust after women they deem hotter - secr… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 03:38 AM |
| 12 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I'm cf and I would go through pregnancy for the right guy. That’s totally your prerogative, and I don’t believe there’s anything wrong with that, but if that’s the case, then you’re by definition not CF. You’re childless. CF people aren’t CF because they haven’t met the right partner yet. CF people want CF partners even if they’re the “dream partner” in every single way. You’re not childfree. I emphasize this because it’s important that people understand that by definition CF individuals can’t b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 03:12 AM |
| 13 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I get where you’re coming from and I appreciate it, but that idea implies that a CF woman would undergo pregnancy for the “right guy” - I and many other CF women are constantly bingoed with this. It assumes that a woman can’t be truly CF. Even if I met the “perfect guy,” I still wouldn’t put my body through pregnancy. And besides, for me the “perfect guy” is as CF as I am. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 03:04 AM |
| 2 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Lol, what? The female body didn’t create pregnancy. The female body evolved to undergo it through millions of generations of natural selection. On the whole, it got the job done and kept the species going. It never mattered whether the woman had sexual dysfunction or many of the other complications afterward. All that’s required for the function of pregnancy to be passed on to the next generation is that the mother survived long enough to have enough kids to replace her and her partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 03:00 AM |
| 6 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I see. I’m glad you’re a strong believer in bodily autonomy. But on a different note, doesn’t Redpill teach that it’s best to not commit to one woman if you’re not having kids? I perceive the philosophy is: “You could be out there having sex with a harem of 10s and 18-year olds for the rest of your life. Why commit especially if she isn’t giving you babies? That’s so beta. True alphas run through as many women as possible - limited only by their eventual deaths. If you do commit to a woman, at l… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:51 AM |
| 8 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."It’s not about the actually playing out of the situation. It’s about manosphere men telling CF women they’d make JUST GREAT f%ck buddies as a way to imply they’re worthless as long-term partners and don’t deserve a LTR if they want one. It’s a variation on “f*ck you.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:44 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Exactly. Personally, I want my partner to find my “hot” and captivating, not “f*ckable.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:42 AM |
| 11 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Because the people I’m referring to tell CF women they’re corrupt for not wanting kids, that they’ll never be in a LTR with a good man who loves them even if they deeply want that, and that the best they can hope for is casual sex. The message is “You, as a CF woman, aren’t good enough for love.” I’m not talking about CF women who are, for whatever reason, totally ok having casual sex until the day they die and have no desire for a LTR, ever. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:36 AM |
| 9 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Do you subscribe to the Redpill philosophy? My OP has to do with - mainly - manosphere men who verbally eviscerate CF women but also care a LOT about how hot and youthful their woman looks and about scoring “10s.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:33 AM |
| 4 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."I should have said “the way they pressure any woman to give birth.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:30 AM |
| 16 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Yeah, they’re great for being USED - according to the manosphere, which doesn’t care if a woman is childfree and happens to want an LTR/marriage with a man who loves her. Being a CF woman doesn’t mean being totally fine with functioning as a receptacle for random men’s semen until the woman is “too old and ugly.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:26 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Some women, like myself for example, care a lot about their looks and put in a lot of effort to stay fit and healthy. I don’t drink (ever), do drugs, or smoke - and I eat healthily and exercise. I wear sunscreen every damn day. I don’t want my efforts to look how I want to look undermined by a pregnancy. But again, looks are only part of the reason I never want to be pregnant. There are many health complications that are liable to happen as well, as mentioned in my OP. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:20 AM |
| 7 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Lmao people don’t pressure a “ricefree” person to eat rice the way they pressure a childfree woman to give birth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 02:16 AM |
| 27 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Lmao, exactly. The manosphere spitefully backhanded-compliments them by saying they’re just WONDERFUL sex dolls until they get too old and then they’re trash. They definitely drive home the message that CF women don’t deserve love, intimate relationships, and pleasure in general. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:59 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Not if they had their Fallopian tubes and uteruses yeeted, which many CF adamantly seek 😂. But seriously - for me personally - never in a million years. And now I’ve had elective surgery to make it physiologically impossible 😁. Even if I did want a baby, I’d 1,000,000,000+% adopt over getting pregnant. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:53 AM |
| 3 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Yeah I’m looking for CF men only for a LTR/marriage. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:51 AM |
| 37 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."1000 times this. Men always say “But not all women get [insert particular pregnancy/birth trauma].” First of all, no one knows what the outcome of a pregnancy will be for the woman - it’s unpredictable. Second of all, women with minor complications simply have minor versions of many of these complication. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:48 AM |
| 26 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."As women, we’re damned if we do and damned if we don’t. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:46 AM |
| 14 | One of the reasons the manosphere shouldn't lambast childfree women is that it openly discusses how "kids will wreck their bodies."Trust me, there are plenty of us. 😂Check out the childfree sub. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/07/21 01:17 AM |
| 2 | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?I agree that either way they’d be complaining - however, if the couple has kids the woman will be breaking her back at home catering to babies 24/7. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 21/07/21 05:41 AM |
| 3 | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?No, you're not the table. Your career doesn't get his dick hard. Nor does it soothe his soul. She wouldn’t be in the career as a way to make herself more attractive to men, if you view the reasons I gave in my OP. Basically, it would be because it fulfills her personally and provides her with income with which to survive and enjoy her life. What does do that, though? (Women know the answer, females of all ages and walks of life don't, and femfails feel offended by this FACT.) Ok, what does do th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 09:04 PM |
| 1 | Is there nuance in the philosophy that "career women" are a turn-off?Is the manosphere against a woman being employed full-time (read: not "focusing most of her time on making money and securing a high-paying salary or building a successful business") even once in an LTR or marriage, though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:50 PM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?My first thought is that she will expect me to be her celibate boyfriend, which I would refuse to do. I mentioned in the OP that we're assuming she's heterosexual (not asexual or gray-asexual), not a virgin for religious reasons, and not waiting until marriage, so I'm not sure why you'd think she'd expect you to be her celibate boyfriend. Does she understand that sex WILL be a part of our relationship, if we have one? We're assuming she has a normal sex drive and interest in sex. The answer to t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:04 PM |
| 3 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?What about sexually-charged physical interaction aside from penetration, e.g. kissing, feeling someone up/being felt up, holding hands, seeing each other naked, etc.? Do those nullify virginity to a degree - not completely, but to a degree? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:12 PM |
| 3 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Female virginity has always been held in some kind of regard even among primitive cultures, Could you cite any research that supports this? I don't doubt it - whether it's good, bad, or neutral - but I'm curious if there's research backing it up. Is it really about virginity though, or is it about things that these men think virginity signals - things like perhaps having standards, having boundaries, being careful rather than reckless, impulse control, conscientiousness about health and STDs, be… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 06:20 PM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?What’s KHHV? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 04:15 PM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?I guess I’m screwed then - no pun intended. If this is how men think I’m never gonna have sex or be in a relationship. 😅 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 03:47 PM |
| 5 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Read the many reasons other respondents have said it’s a red flag or turn off. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:54 AM |
| 2 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?She’s in good shape/fit/at a healthy weight. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:18 AM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?yes | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:16 AM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Hasn't met a person she'd feel comfortable doing it with? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 08:01 AM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?What do you think a woman should do if she hits 25 and still hasn't experienced either but wants to? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:56 AM |
| 2 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?The problem with virgins or inexperienced women is that they almost never know what they want. What if they've touched themselves/done things alone? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:27 AM |
| 4 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Ah I see, so you expect every woman will want to play the field at some point and would rather her "get it out of her system" before meeting you. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:14 AM |
| 11 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?This is assuming she has a normal sex drive and interest in sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:10 AM |
| 1 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?It's worth at least 5 points of attractiveness. What makes it so attractive? It's also worth about 10 years of youth. How? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:08 AM |
| 5 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:04 AM |
| 5 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?To clarify, I'm talking about this in the context of a potential LTR, not causal sex. So in this context your intentions wouldn't be to simply add her as a notch on the bed post, but to find a good long-term partner/GF/wife. Wouldn't you want some "hassle" as that would be more likely to indicate she respects her needs/pleasure, proceeds carefully in general, and vets people before trusting them? I personally think those are all good qualities in anyone, including a long-term partner. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 07:03 AM |
| 8 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?It's quite possibly a runner-up for the single most valuable thing about a woman. So valuable that even if she possessed every single red flag that you might associate with being a virgin at said age, the positive would still far outweigh the negative. Lmao how on Earth could it possibly be that important? Especially since, in manosphere language and in their eyes, she "hits the wall" at 30. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 06:59 AM |
| 5 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?That's true, and I understand why one might want to be cautious about getting involved with someone who hasn't been in a LTR before. However, personally I believe non-sexual, non-romantic relationships are just as complex and foster emotional and relational maturity as well, so I don't think never having been in an LTR is analogous to never having had a job. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 06:57 AM |
| 8 | All things being equal, do you believe a woman being a virgin in her mid 20s a red flag or turn off?Who said she's saving it for anything or using it as a bargaining chip? Maybe she hasn't found the right person yet. Maybe she wanted to focus on other things in her late teens/early 20s. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 06:46 AM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?Willingness to try new things or take direction. What if there's something that's so undesirable to her that she doesn't want to try it? For example, getting hurt during sex is a kink for some but others would really rather not have a bunch of bruises by the end of the act. Numerous news stories detail scenarios where women have died via the choking kink. "Deep throating" can make some people literally vomit. There are other things that someone might not want to even try though - these are just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 04:33 AM |
| 3 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?you dont have to do everything Thank God lmao. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 04:31 AM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?Just the prospect of being written off as a partner because I have no sexual experience. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 03:23 AM |
| 2 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?Experience... can be gained together, don't you think? I mean, one can't gain sexual experience without having sex. I suppose they could explore what pleases them solo though, which might be helpful. As someone who's never had sex and doesn't see it happening any time soon, I'm hoping it's not, generally speaking, a turn off or red flag. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 12:12 AM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?What's HWP and PNC? Also, why is it good to be physically flexible? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 20/07/21 12:09 AM |
| 2 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?What do you mean by "kinky stuff"? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 11:31 PM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?So should a virgin woman just chill and live her life, prioritizing being a good/mature person in general, and let things happen when they happen? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 11:23 PM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?What does “enthusiastic” mean? Being attracted to the guy? Enjoying it? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 11:06 PM |
| 2 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?So, to you, it’s sufficient if the woman just lies there and relaxes while you do everything? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 10:55 PM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?Would you say that virgin/inexperienced women shouldn’t worry about not having any sexual skill, provided that they prioritize cultivating other qualities that would make for a healthy relationship like emotional maturity, responsibility, accountability, and wisdom in general? I mean, if one isn’t out there having sex, there’s no way to gain sexual skill. But all you need to develop other useful traits is self-awareness and to interact with other humans. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 10:44 PM |
| 1 | Is it more important to you that a woman is attractive in looks and personality, or that she's "skilled at" sex?What makes a woman a “phenomenal lay” if not sexual skill? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 10:00 PM |
| 1 | How can women get a man to commit to her?The majority of men here don’t think good men commit to childfree (meaning, they’ve made a lifestyle choice to not become parents) women because, according to them, CF women are more satanic than Satan himself and are more vile and disgusting than anything that exists, has existed, or could ever possibly exist in this universe. They have more vitriol for CF women than for Hitler. Like, she could be vegan, live a zero-waste lifestyle, work in a caring profession, volunteer for/donate to good caus… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 19/07/21 04:53 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?Yeah nevertheless the goal was to sadistically denigrate a group of people using obviously inflammatory language and no logic to the “arguments.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 08:52 PM |
| 1 | If men leave/ghost after the first sexual encounter it's because they were grossed out.Wow, their loss. By acting like they’re so unavailable, they make me mistrust them and give me the impression they’re players. I don’t want my heart yanked around. So no physical intimacy from me then. I’m a 24 yo virgin and it’s mainly because all guys strike me as untrustworthy players who would just use my body. Not to mention they neg me and put me down - nothing kills my libido faster than bullying and meanness. Seems like a horrible strategy on their part. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 05:58 AM |
| 1 | If men leave/ghost after the first sexual encounter it's because they were grossed out.Idk, maybe it’s just posturing, but the guys I’ve been on dates with and interacted with on OLD have all acted like they have a billion other options and barely care how things turn out with me. And many times, it was the guy who initiated the conversation and asked me out. It’s a turn off and makes me think they’d ghost after being physically intimate and that they don’t want anything serious. I’ve never slept with or even kissed any of them though - thankfully. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 05:50 AM |
| 2 | If men leave/ghost after the first sexual encounter it's because they were grossed out.Why would a guy go ahead and have sex with a woman he was turned off by? Like, they undress and he sees a tattoo he doesn’t like or finds her too heavyset, and he has sex anyway? If men find it so hard to score, why wouldn’t he come back to have sex with her out of desperation/lack of options, if nothing else? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 05:01 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I think on some level you know this. Which is why you ask if there are any "masculine" men who are cf. Because you know instinctively. Wait, do you mean that masculine men are less empathetic/worse partners? I mean, if you define masculine as stoic and uncaring, then yes, I’d say masculine men are horrible partners. But I’ve never defined masculinity that way - maybe toxic masculinity, but not masculinity in general. Personally, I’d like a partner who is more on the masculine side because I’d li… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 04:59 AM |
| 3 | If men leave/ghost after the first sexual encounter it's because they were grossed out.So you don’t believe men often ghost after sex because they want to sample as many different women as possible and get a high off of “conquering” as many women as they can? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 03:37 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I think the word you were looking for was "childless." "Childfree" typically indicates a lifestyle choice. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 03:15 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I meant it regarding non-physical traits... but I'm sure that was clear to you and you just want to troll. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:29 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?the will and desire to have a baby is attractive to me Why, especially if it doesn't end up that she actually has one? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:24 AM |
| 0 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I define masculine and feminine as it pertains to biology as having the anatomy of a human male and having the anatomy of a human female, respectively. Regarding non-physical traits, I define masculine as "having an action-oriented, ambitious, and protective energy" and feminine as "having a restful, contemplative, and healing energy." I think everyone has both and that both are found in everything in life. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:18 AM |
| 2 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I was referring to men who have carefully deliberated on whether to have kids and decided it's not for them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:11 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?First of all, I don't believe anyone is 100% feminine or 100% masculine, and I don't believe most people are even 90/10 with either polarity. Second, I'd like a male partner who is naturally more masculine than feminine, but who has a well-developed feminine side and isn't ashamed of it. It means more masculine than feminine on the gender/personality spectrum. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:08 AM |
| 0 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?My question, though was regarding LTRs/marriages. You think there are a sizable portion of masculine-of-center men who want to be in a childfree couple with a female partner? Almost everyone on this sub hammers into me one of two things, and often both: that masculine-of-center men only want female partners who bear their progeny, and that essentially all of the childfree masculine men (as well as childfree men in general) only want casual sex. Basically, their message seems to be "You're f*cked… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 02:02 AM |
| 4 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?This person is just trying to get a rise out of us by saying the most provocative thing they can think of. There's a lot of that on Reddit. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 01:48 AM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?Personally I don’t think masculinity is about being insensitive, inconsiderate, disrespectful, and flighty. The reason I say I want my partner to be more masculine of center is that I want my hypothetical partner to sort of look for me/protect me - not from wild bears in this day and age, but just to exude that kind of “energy” for lack of a better word. But if childfree men are more likely to commit, that would be awesome since I’m childfree. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 18/07/21 01:17 AM |
| 3 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?why commit? For the same reasons partners in childfree couples commit to each other? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 11:54 PM |
| 1 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?You said birthing kids doesn't make a woman more feminine, though. Where I deviate from mainstream femininity is, for the most part, in that I don't want to have kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 11:31 PM |
| 2 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?I see. Personally, I desire a masculine-of-center partner (key word: of center, meaning more masculine than I). I'm ok with being feminine (I think), but what I'm not interested in is being pregnant/birthing, self-sacrifice, the sleep deprivation and inability to engage in self-care that comes with motherhood, loss of my personal autonomy/individuality, and giving up having my own source of income/passions/engagements in life. However, this sub has hammered it into me that I'm not feminine enoug… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 11:16 PM |
| 6 | Do you believe a woman must birth children to be sufficiently feminine for a masculine-of-center man?One can like kids and not want to be a parent themselves - man or woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 10:24 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesThank you! I hope you do, too. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 10:11 PM |
| 1 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesBut that’s why to me it is also important that she be equally driven. She doesn’t have to make the same amount I do but I would get old having to constantly spend money and not be able to revive maybe. What are you thoughts on that? I agree. I think both partners should add to each other's lives. And what would you making him happy look like then? I imagine just picking up the slack in other areas of life/the relationship, depending on the needs of the moment. That, and doing little things lik… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 10:05 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesI guess maybe what I mean is the type of providing. I'm not totally sure what I'd be providing if my partner were the main provider in terms of money, but I imagine I'd want to do things to make my partner happy and ensure his health/well-being. Maybe I'd be the leader as far as living a healthy lifestyle goes, as that's something that's really important to me and I'd want my partner to be physically well. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 09:47 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesAh, ok. Well personally, if my hypothetical partner were sick or injured, or heaven forbid, ill with cancer or MS or something other horrible disease, I would definitely provide for and take care of him if we were really in love and had an intimate bond. There'd be no deliberation; I mean, life is short and relationships are important. If my hypothetical partner were depressed or going through some other kind of hardship, I'd do the same because I wouldn't feel good about someone I love very muc… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 09:42 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesI feel like both should provide for each other. To me if I’m doing more of the providing and stuff like that I’ll began to feel like I’m taking care of a child rather than a partner. It's totally your prerogative how you want to split the responsibilities in a relationship. Idk, I feel like I'm not articulating myself correctly, but while I'd like my partner to be more successful/ambitious than I regarding career, I definitely don't want to be treated like or to have the role of a child. I would… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 09:27 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesI essentially want a partner more so than someone I have to provide for. Hmm, I see. Do you think those two things are mutually exclusive? Though, to be clear, there's nothing wrong with what you desire. I mean, I want a *partner* - someone who's an intellectual equal, someone to grow with, someone who's my best friend - however, I also have this desire to be with someone who's more ambitious than I as far as money/career is concerned. To clarify though, I don't like the gender role of men being… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 09:13 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesWould you like to take on more of the feminine roles when he does that? If so what are they? Yeah, I think so. To clarify, what are you referring to by "feminine roles"? I think I'd be ok with being in charge of grocery shopping and meal preparation. However, I've never been in a serious relationship so idk what else to consider. I am childfree, though, so I wouldn't be taking on pregnancy, birth, breastfeeding, or childrearing. If he worked more/made more I'd likely do more of the chores, but I… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 09:02 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesI'd say yes, but it's not a hard-and-fast rule. I think providing/supporting can come in other forms, so I'm not completely sure. But I don't want to feel like I'm the guy's mom, or like I'm the rock/main support structure in the relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 08:53 PM |
| 3 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesOh ok. Yeah, I desire for my partner to have a healthy balance of both masculine and feminine while being, on the whole, more masculine. For example, I don't need a partner to be super rich and own a bunch of sports cars but I'd like to feel supported/provided for in an overall sense. However, I also want a male partner of mine to be free to express his emotions, to cry when he needs to, and to be emotionally intelligent and emotionally available. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 08:49 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesLmao I expect someone's going to lambast me for having "unrealistic" standards, but in terms of nonphysical qualities: ambitious, intelligent, passionate, empathetic, deep-thinking, responsible, protective. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesHmm, I guess I meant feminine in terms of non-physical qualities. Perhaps I misunderstood what the OP was referring to by "masculine" and "feminine." I though it had to do with behaviors/personality. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 08:36 PM |
| 3 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesMuscular (not like a body builder, but with more muscle than I and with noticeable muscle development), at a healthy weight, with healthy and clear skin, taller than I, a face I find cute/attractive, and dressed in clean, flattering clothes. Also I'm personally not attracted to extensive facial hair, so I'm not really attracted to actual beards. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 08:34 PM |
| 6 | Women still expect men to be masculine while refusing to be feminine themselvesI (24F) desire a partner who is both masculine and feminine, but masculine of center. I perceive that I’m both masculine and feminine, but feminine of center. I take on many socially “feminine” traits and behaviors because I genuinely want to, especially regarding my attention to my health, appearance, and my interest in clothes. However, I’m gender non-conforming in other ways, such as not liking high heels, not being much into makeup, gravitating toward a practical and logical approach to the … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 17/07/21 07:54 PM |
| 1 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.You can’t love someone and simultaneously view them as an enemy, rival, or object to be conquered. Love is about discovering what another person feels and desires and feeling vicarious satisfaction when another person is satisfied. Love is a state of unification, connection, and empathy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 07:33 AM |
| 3 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.24. I don’t employ everything FDS endorses. I haven’t come to a definitive conclusion on how I feel about FDS, but in many ways I don’t belong in that community because I can’t nonchalantly say “Oh well, I’ll just drink tea with my cats.” I genuinely grieve not connecting and having a nourishing relationship with a partner. I joined FDS many moths ago and as time has passed I perceive I fit in less and less. I have found some content useful, though other content I disagree with. Even when I was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 07:09 AM |
| 0 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.I think they deceive in a more covert way - for example, putting on a warm and friendly demeanor, acting interested in her life and in her as a person, acting like they respect her and care about her well-being, satisfying her desire for social connection, etc. All this just to get in her pants and then drop the act to reveal characters who actually aren’t actually warm and friendly, don’t care about anything more than the woman’s body, couldn’t care less if she even enjoyed the sex or if it hur… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:54 AM |
| 0 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.Perfect analogy 👌 | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:45 AM |
| 0 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.Simply being himself isn’t enough. He could be murderous and be himself. He could have horrible BO and be himself. In either case I’d pass. It’s about being himself AND being a good person... I.e., genuinely being a good person. I guess I can’t speak for all women, but I want a partner with whom I can bare my soul and become more aware and at peace - with him doing the same. That’s what the “game” mindset doesn’t seem to comprehend about healthy relationships. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:40 AM |
| -3 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.why can’t men just be themselves instead? I wish they would be. Authenticity is way more attractive than the veneer of something you’re not. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 06:01 AM |
| 3 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.They treat dating and relationships as if it was some game that requires strategies. This includes manipulations, lying, and treating people you suppose to care about like shit. Honestly, I just want to detoxify my soul from this dating world of mind games and dehumanization. At the end of the day, when we’re all on our deathbeds, I think we will all wish we had loved more and warred less. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 05:40 AM |
| -2 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.Game works which is why men use it, we're not going to stop using it to make it easier for women to weed us out which is what y'all want us to do. I don’t know what women you’re referring to, but I personally weed out all the men who use PUA tactics on me. I find it abhorrent and a huge barrier to an actually functional relationship, even potentially a relationship just based on sex - though I personally want a relationship. When the negging starts, the ghosting promptly follows on my end. The r… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 05:17 AM |
| 5 | Using game to "get" women is dehumanizing, a waste of everyone's time, and childish. It needs to stop.I think most women suffer from the phenomenon of men lying and saying they want more than just sex, rather than men being transparent about their intentions. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/07/21 05:09 AM |
| 16 | Ladies NEVER ignore your instincts or dealbreakers. Here’s yet another scrote having broken a woman’s heart after stringing her along for a year.I think part of the problem is the media narrative that “relationships are hard work and you must fight for your love”. Is any relationship perfect? Absolutely not! But the idea that you must fight and grovel and beg for love and affection within a relationship is terrible but common. God this is such a pervasive attitude. Everyone from friends to family members have challenged my intuitions about men I’ve interacted with romantically, saying things to the essence of “Well everyone has their wou… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 28/06/21 07:34 AM |
| 4 | Hating cats... a red flag or the biggest red flag?In conclusion, men who hate cats are just indignant about having to respect the bodily autonomy of a beautiful creature because they think they are entitled adoration and see boundaries as an attack on them (cuz everything is about them, of course). Very insightful! I never thought about it that deeply before. I also think some of the hatred could stem from the fact that cats, unlike male partners, kids, extended family members, and even dogs, don’t require women to work themselves to the bone t… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 27/06/21 04:17 PM |
| 17 | What are some ways that you typically signal to a guy that you're interested?I see. I've been told by people close to me that I tend to appear closed off even in a platonic sense because I'm naturally reserved/introverted. I'm not asking about how to play games or use seduction tactics or anything - just trying to counteract my apparently "closed-off" default by getting advice on how to indicate that I'm open to someone. As I said, it's not just for romantic contexts. Friends of friends have decided against inviting me places out of the assumption I wouldn't be intereste… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 06:05 PM |
| 2 | What are your best tips on how to vet a man for safety using the Internet?I like those ideas. What do you do if you don’t already know his full name though? You need a certain amount of info to even look him up - usually his first and last name. Do you just outright ask for it? Lol. Also: do you just outright ask for his social media? I think that can help with vetting as well. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 06:36 AM |
| 13 | What are some ways that you typically signal to a guy that you're interested?So far I’ve only gone out with guys from dating apps. I’m kind of a late bloomer and only started dating about a year ago, and even then my dates have been sparse. I am in the U.S. Now that things are going back to normal somewhat in terms of the pandemic, I encounter new people mostly at work. But I plan to study at the bookstore and hang out in public since if I’m always at home my chances of meeting the right person are pretty slim. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 02:03 AM |
| 1 | How do you end a date early?What do you do if after you give a guy your number, he just calls you and texts you as if you're his GF and doesn't take initiative to make plans to go on another date? I'm guessing block and delete lol. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 12:59 AM |
| 1 | How do you end a date early?I might use your strategy with the coffee dates as screening. Do you vet based on whether he offers to pay for your coffee? edit: Do you do coffee screening dates for guys you meet in person who you don't already know - for example, a guy you meet at a store checkout? If so, would you reward them with your number on the screening date or after a real date? I'm inclined to withhold my number because I find that guys just call and text me without taking initiative to plan another date. If a guy ha… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 12:35 AM |
| 76 | What are some ways that you typically signal to a guy that you're interested?If he wants to ask you out, he will. If he wanted to, he would. Period. Ugh. Idk if it’s me or them, but if it’s them, it seems men just don’t do this anymore. I suppose they’ve become too accustomed to women coming to them/meeting them halfway. I hope it’s something to do with me/my “energy.” At least that’s something I have influence over. As a disclaimer I’m not saying I’d say yes to any guy who asked me out. I just find it very rare to be asked out especially outside of dating apps. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 23/06/21 12:28 AM |
| 16 | How do you end a date early?Yeah I’ve only stayed that long because the guys drove like an hour to meet me and I felt obliged. I won’t do it again though. Of course they drove an hour to meet a woman lol - they probably don’t get that many matches. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 07:31 PM |
| 4 | How much casual sex are the women that you know are having?I’m 24 and I and the women I’m closest to are genuinely averse to casual sex. As women, were physically smaller and weaker than men - the vast majority of the time. The reason we’re averse to it is We could get STDs. The guy could have STDs and lie about it and/or refuse to get tested. The guy could surreptitiously take off the condom during sex (I’ve heard of this happening although I’m a virgin so it’s obv never happened to me). We could get pregnant. I’m sterilized so the chances are extremel… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/06/21 05:17 PM |
| 33 | How do you end a date early?What would you do if the guy had bad body odor that you noticed right off the bat? Would you hint at it or mention anything about it? I find it a huge sign of disrespect. The date I went on last week, the guy had BO and said he had had the day off, so there was no excuse. I’m sure if he actually does have a job, he knows to shower before work - because I’m confident he’d have been fired if he came in smelling like that every day. My suspicion is he was testing how much BS I’d put up with. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 03:13 PM |
| 10 | How do you end a date early?Ah ok. What would you do if the guy had bad body odor and you noticed it before even being seated at the restaurant? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 03:10 PM |
| 29 | How do you end a date early?Was it a coffee date (or in your case a “tea date”) or did you just order tea at a sit down restaurant? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 03:08 PM |
| 58 | How do you end a date early?they know what they're doing and will lie to your face. I think this happens quite often unfortunately. The gaslighting. Keep your purse on your lap and pretend you felt it vibrate, "check" the message, book a taxi or a ride, say "gotta go" and just go lol. I’ll keep that one in mind. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 07:45 AM |
| 53 | How do you end a date early?I like that one. I’ve had qualms in the past about having boundaries like this and standards like him paying, but considering that in a very real sense I’m taking on a risk by meeting a strange man even if it’s done in public with safety precautions, I don’t think there’s shame in it. It took a while for me to realize, but having the right to leave whenever I want without explanation is the least I deserve considering the vulnerable position I’m in as a woman. As a side note, my last date didn’t… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 22/06/21 07:38 AM |
| 8 | Reflections on the most recent date I went on: why date anyway?I definitely want a partner; I’m not trying to avoid it by any means. However, I just realize that each time I went out with a guy I feel I gave too much and didn’t get much in return. If I meet someone who doesn’t make me feel this way, I’ll definitely enjoy seeing them a lot more. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 20/06/21 06:38 PM |
| 14 | Reflections on the most recent date I went on: why date anyway?Next time I go out with a guy I definitely want reservations to be made, preferably by him and without my prompting. That way we’re not waiting an hour to be seated and it doesn’t have to last so long if I’m getting tired. 2 hours for a date it too much for me. In hindsight, I didn’t really perceive him trying to win me over or do much beyond the bare minimum to make sure I had a good time. Opening doors and paying is thoughtful, but him planning the date in advance, making reservations, and cho… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 20/06/21 06:30 PM |
| 6 | So proud of ladies waking up and seeing through the 50/50 scam !Do you all think that desiring a non-50/50 relationship where the guy does more of the providing than you do is ok for other reasons? I went on the first date of my life earlier this week, and he offered to pay even before we went to the restaurant. He was also opening doors and all, though once I opened one for him because there were people in the way and he couldn’t logistically do it. I didn’t assume he’d do it, he just beat me to it most of the time. Otherwise, I got the door. Perhaps it was… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 18/06/21 06:01 AM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Just because someone has done that for her doesn’t mean they’re obligated to do that for you. No one owes you a ride in their sports car. It doesn’t mean she shouldn’t be treated like that, just because you haven’t been. I’ve never been provided for by any romantic interest, but I’m not going around saying I’m entitled to it or that people who do enjoy such experiences don’t deserve them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 09:49 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Look, the fact of the matter is I personally (if you wanted to know) am turned on by genuine providing (and I’m not necessarily talking about it in the sense of money and sports cars). Whether I deserve it and whether it’s realistic considering who I am and my life plans and preferences are different topics. There’s nothing wrong with men not wanting to provide. No one owes me any providing. I don’t condone forcing gender roles on anyone and I think people should be whoever they want to be. That… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 09:18 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?I’m not saying men shouldn’t be romanced, but if a guy wants to be with me and doesn’t romance me I might as well just hang out with my gay best friend. To me there wouldn’t be much point in dating because there would literally be nothing to enjoy. By redpill definitions even my gay best friend “simps” for me, and I for him, because we like to be there for each other, we care about each other, and there’s no game-playing or manipulation involved. If I’m free I answer his calls on the spot. He do… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 08:50 AM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Hmm, I see. At the risk of sounding entitled, I’ll say that sounds nice. However, I’ve never had anything close to that kind of experience. A guy I worked with once used to drive me home from work, but we lived in the same neighborhood. He might have done it even if we were the same gender. Although coworkers told me he had a crush on me. There may be another instance where some semblance of this has happened to me, but I’ve come away with the impression that it was unsustainable because it was … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 03:11 AM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?He gives, I receive, and the transaction is over. If this was a regular thing, wouldn’t your partner/the men around you eventually feel depleted? Think about it this way: when you buy a birthday gift for your friend, do you do it so that they will buy one of an equivalent price for you on your birthday? Or do you do it just to see the joy in their face? I see what you’re saying here. However, it’s more of an occasion that I get someone a present than it is a consistent occurrence. And it doesn’t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 01:39 AM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?working my ass off to provide for her and our children. Would this be because you believe it’s the “right” and “proper” thing to do, or because you genuinely would want to? Like, consider that not marrying and not having kids is an option and you can save all your money for yourself. What’s the draw toward having kids and a spouse? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 15/06/21 01:16 AM |
| 5 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?I guess I just hate being indebted to people unless there’s an explicit agreement about what’s being exchanged. I don’t want to be the object of resentment if someone does something for me and expects something in return that I was completely oblivious to or didn’t agree to provide, or can’t provide, in return. I’ve already seen so much resentment expressed by men on Purple Pill Debate about how women accept favors but, according to them, do nothing in return. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 06:44 AM |
| 1 | The reason why being an unemployed “tradititional” homemaker is such a disadvantageous position for women to be in is that most of the labor fails to foster intellectual growth, and we’re seeing a trend toward increasing technological automationThe arts, psychotherapy, spirituality and religion (e.g. meditation teachers, priests) academic research, medicine, STEM, and IMO childcare and elder care. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 01:47 AM |
| 1 | The reason why being an unemployed “tradititional” homemaker is such a disadvantageous position for women to be in is that most of the labor fails to foster intellectual growth, and we’re seeing a trend toward increasing technological automationPardon the typo on “traditional” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 14/06/21 01:01 AM |
| 2 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?It is my nature to provide and protect. Would you provide and protect for a woman who wasn’t - and didn’t want to be - a mother, though? Do you think that women who don’t want to be moms should be treated “like men” in that they should be expected to provide for and protect themselves just like a man would be? Women are not socially pressured to be mothers I beg to differ here. I’ve been slandered, shamed, and vilified numerous times for not wanting kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 09:45 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Does that go for both men and women who are in distress or threatened by an assailant? Would you do CPR on a stranger if the situation was safe for you? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 09:36 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?I would't want to be with a guy who provided because it would make me feel like a burden. Same here. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 09:23 PM |
| 1 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?As a guy I kind of like it. Makes me feel more manly. I see... but would you like it if you were doing that role with a woman who wasn’t doing a traditionally female gender role, i.e. mothering and homemaking? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 08:40 PM |
| 2 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Wouldn’t the women you love and choose to be in that role for have to be in a traditionally female role though? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 08:24 PM |
| 2 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?just for women that invest in their own way. What do you mean by “invest”? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 08:22 PM |
| 2 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Anyways, the problem isn’t provide/protect, the problem is when the opposite gender was raised to think their nurturing/supportive role is a form of slavery. If protecting and providing is exemplified by earning money and taking the primary role in fending off an attacker or intruder, what is the nurturing/supportive role exemplified by? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 08:21 PM |
| 4 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?women are encouraged and lionized for discarding their gender roles whole it's still casually and unthinkingly imposed on men I agree that this does happen. I’m subbed to FDS and I find a lot of its content valuable, but I can’t get behind expecting a guy to protect/provide, especially because I’m childfree and I don’t want to be a homemaker. I perceive that FDS endorses the idea that any decent male partner will protect and provide while, by contrast, encouraging women to do what they enjoy. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 08:13 PM |
| 11 | Do you feel burdened by the protector/provider gender role and the social expectation to embody it?Yeah, I think I can sympathize somewhat. I’m subbed to FDS and there’s a lot I like about it, but I’ve realized I can’t get behind expecting a male partner to protect/provide because 1) expecting someone to fulfill a gender role purely because of their biological sex doesn’t feel right to me and 2) I don’t want to be a mother or a homemaker. There’s something dehumanizing about gender roles whether we’re talking about male gender roles or female gender roles. They reduce people to categories and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 13/06/21 07:16 PM |
| 1 | Especially a baby scrote. Too many downplay the physical effects of pregnancy and after birth changes. What’s something we should know?No amount of improvement of healthcare would change the fact that some mammals are much less suited to giving birth without having their bodies damaged, and humans are one of them. Diastasis recti, vaginal tearing, pelvic floor damage, and the increased risk of incontinence and pelvic organ prolapse result because of the size of human babies in relation to the size of an adult woman’s body/organs. Perhaps some of the physiological complications could be mitigated with more foresight, but that wo… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/06/21 10:29 AM |
| 1 | Do you think tradcon men secretly lust after the "whores" according to the Madonna-Whore dichotomy despite their trad values?Thanks for the suggestion! 🙏 | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 12/06/21 02:28 AM |
| 1 | Do you think tradcon men secretly lust after the "whores" according to the Madonna-Whore dichotomy despite their trad values?Thanks 🙏 I’ll check it out. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 12/06/21 02:26 AM |
| 1 | Especially a baby scrote. Too many downplay the physical effects of pregnancy and after birth changes. What’s something we should know?I wonder how you respond to the profound ways this technology could be abused? Regulating it. Any technology, once it has been invented, can be abused. Nuclear fission had many negative effects becomes humans misused it, but it may help us eventually develop nuclear fusion and use it to create zero-waste energy and avoid a climate-change induced catastrophe beyond what’s already in the works. I just think that if a woman doesn’t want to go through pregnancy— she should do just that. It’s 100% th… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/06/21 06:01 PM |
| 1 | Especially a baby scrote. Too many downplay the physical effects of pregnancy and after birth changes. What’s something we should know?Whether it’s “close” or not, I don’t believe one can be feminist and not support ectogenesis in theory. While I don’t advocate for the revoking of anyone’s right to carry a child endogenously, I maintain that human pregnancy is a deeply flawed and damaging process that any compassionate society would seek to provide a viable alternative to. It’s great to point out the potential ethical issues, but potential ethical issues haven’t stopped us from inventing new technologies and bio technologies in… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/06/21 05:12 PM |
| 7 | Do you think tradcon men secretly lust after the "whores" according to the Madonna-Whore dichotomy despite their trad values?This is how this odd disconnect between the Madonna and the whore can happen. A Madonna represents his ideal fantasy word. A whore represents reality, a self-sufficient female individual with their own wishes, desires, sexuality and an own mind. A real person will not mindlessly fall for you and serve you. A woman who wants you to put in effort. A woman who had encounters with other men, good and bad which means she can compare you to other(better) men. Ahh... so they resent the “whores” because… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/06/21 03:37 AM |
| 11 | Do you think tradcon men secretly lust after the "whores" according to the Madonna-Whore dichotomy despite their trad values?Yeah, I’m fairly confident that various men/teen boys have put me in the “whore” category at points in my adolescence and early adulthood simply because I wasn’t their sister, wife, daughter, granddaughter, niece, or cousin. The funny thing is, I’m actually still a virgin, and I spent my entire adolescence and young adulthood dressing modestly. It seems that with certain men, the only prerequisite you need to be a candidate fore whore-dom is to be unrelated to them. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/06/21 12:05 AM |
| 24 | Do you think tradcon men secretly lust after the "whores" according to the Madonna-Whore dichotomy despite their trad values?And then they expect her to perform “like a whore” so that they can be sexually satisfied. Hmm... do they though? I know this is fiction, but in The Handmaid’s Tale Fred always turned Serena down when she wanted to be sexual with him. I think there’s a tendency to view having sex with your pure tradwife as equivalent to debasing her. I don’t think a trad husband could continue to respect his tradwife if she behaved like the “whores,” even in the privacy of their own bedroom. I suspect he might r… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 10/06/21 11:14 PM |
| 23 | Especially a baby scrote. Too many downplay the physical effects of pregnancy and after birth changes. What’s something we should know?As a proponent of ectogenesis (or gestation outside the human body) being an option, I don’t think these pregnancy/childbirth complications should just be taken as inevitably part and parcel of motherhood. It’s about damn time that humanity develops a way to spare women all the physical, and often psychological, trauma of reproducing. Even with the “perfect child,” it’s still not an excuse to neglect developing an outside-the-body alternative to pregnancy. I mean, even if your kid respects you, … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 10/06/21 10:39 PM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”In a healthy relationship, neither party gets to boss the other around and tell them what they can and can’t do. They can ask their partner to do/not do something. Neither partner owns the other. Your husband asking you to wear a bra to not have your nipples hanging out for men and children to see shouldn’t be a problem. 1) People attach a sexual charge to body parts because, in our culture, they’re typically only seen in a sexual context. In other contexts, like a medical setting, they’re just … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/06/21 08:08 PM |
| – | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Imagine if a broke ugly guy made demands like this while refusing to make small compromises. It’s like, bro, what are you actually bringing to the table? Why wouldn’t she just get a guy that actually has his shit together? Obviously, I'm not going to be pursuing men who want kids; I'm going to be looking at men who are childfree as I am. It occurred to me just now but another thing I "bring to the table" is that because I'll be a co-breadwinner, a guy I'm with won't have to fund all of my living… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 01:08 AM |
| – | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Not shaving =/= "putting zero effort into one's appearance" or "dressing like one is lost in the woods." Most men don't shave their body hair, perhaps with the exception of removing hair in the groin in some cases. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/06/21 12:31 AM |
| 1 | People are underestimating the popularity of the childfree movement in Gen Z.I'm (24F) on the cusp of being a Millenial; I think I'm technically Gen Z. I'm an example of one of those Gen Z women who are childfree, in part due to the negative health effects of pregnancy/childbirth. The other factors are the cost, the sleep deprivation, and the constant self-sacrifice. I also just lack the desire to be a parent. I don't know that being CF is a trend among Millenials and Gen Z, but I'd be a poster child for it if it is. I'm already sterilized. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 12:06 PM |
| 2 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Uh, ok I’m assuming you’re being sardonic. I want to be in a relationship with someone who loves me and ideally I don’t want to be kicked out of the house after having sex with my partner. I want a partner who would want to bond with me even after the act is over. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 08:52 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Women are naturally more hormonal and emotional than men. They crave deep down the strength and stability a man can bring regardless of income and regardless of him giving her or not shelter and money. I don’t think you’re wrong. While I can’t speak for other women, I do find masculinity - not just in physique but in presence - attractive... it’s hard to articulate. However, I still want to be independent at the end of the day. I’m not willing to have kids, be the designated homemaker, or sacrif… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 08:41 AM |
| 3 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”At least a woman can be free to dress how she likes, not have kids if she doesn't want to, not wear makeup if she doesn't want to, and opt not to remove every single hair from her body with "some simp low testosterone man." To me, that sounds way more appealing than being with an "alpha male" who controls almost every aspect of my existence. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 08:08 AM |
| 3 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”A high value man is the top tier of man that most women want and actively pursue. He is high value because people want him and he has resources that many don’t have. It doesn’t have much to do with the manosphere. I was just referring to your ideal guy personally, not a high value man. My ideal guy is at my socioeconomic level or above, but doesn’t need to be above. Aside from that, my ideal guy is someone in physically attracted to and who I click with intellectually, emotionally, etc. He might… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 07:24 AM |
| 4 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I imagine the world would be very bleak if we all turned into social hermits who never needed each other for anything whatsoever. Not that I think this is even possible because we’re a social species, and there’s nothing wrong with a team effort. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 07:11 AM |
| 5 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”When women entered the workforce en-mass they didn't take over men's jobs. They mostly just created a whole slew of new cushy middle management jobs that never existed, and contribute nothing to the economy, just pushing paper around. I doubt this is true. Many women are now doctors. Most nurses are female - I know that’s not a traditionally male job, but it’s hardly “useless.” Many women work in education as teachers - another traditionally female but hardly “useless” job. Social work and couns… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 06:35 AM |
| 3 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I’m not looking for what the manosphere holds up as a “high value man.” I’m not looking for a provider - someone to give me money and gifts. If a partner does those things freely, then great - just like my hypothetical partner will probably think the same when I do nice things for him just because I want to. If body hair were getting in the way of sexual activity and we both agreed it would be most practical to remove it for that purpose specifically, I don’t think I’d have an issue. I’d be open… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 06:16 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Ideally I would want a partner to be able to carry their weight financially when it comes to travel and the like, so I’d prefer someone who makes at least as much as I do (for the record, I’m not established yet but I don’t really expect to ever be “rich”). But again, if the connection was really out of this world and I felt like he was my soulmate or twin flame or whatever, then yes - probably. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 06:11 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”No money? If it were temporary, maybe, but if he would always be broke, then no because I’d inevitably end up paying for a multitude of things for him just so we could do stuff together. I’d rather it be more 50/50. But it’s not black and white. If we had some kind of love at first sight, soulmate kind of connection, who knows? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 05:51 AM |
| 4 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Let’s get this straight, you want to dress like a slut, be hairy, and to top it off, you don’t want any kids AND a long term partner. I never said I want to dress like a “slut.” The fact is, I don’t want to dress like a tradwife, go out of my way to dress modestly, or conceive of my body as sexually scandalous just by virtue of its existence. I want to be able to go out without a bra if I want to, wear shorts that end above the knee, wear tank tops/crop tops - that kind of thing. I also want to … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 05:45 AM |
| 3 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Only a feminist would think that women not needing men means women not wanting men. Where did you get this idea? I’m a heterosexual feminist and while I don’t want to partake in a sex-and-babies-for-money-and-resources transaction, I want to settle down with a male partner to share emotional and physical intimacy. Beyond that, I have male friends and relatives who I want and need because I love them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 05:02 AM |
| 4 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Now that the urgency to look for a man is gone, a ton of guys, who still “need” sex, are left without any real bargaining chip to get it. Breeding anger and hostility towards independent women. I don’t see how men as a whole are left without a bargaining chip to get sex due to more women being independent. Can’t they just look for women who are attracted to them and be good sexual partners - using protection, getting tested for STDs, respecting women’s boundaries, satisfying them, etc? Men aren’… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:55 AM |
| 5 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”My philosophy, as a woman who does not want to trade sex, housework, and reproduction for money and resources, is to do unto others so to speak. This means not forcing gender roles on men, not expecting men to pay the whole bill on dates, acquiring money and resources for myself, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:28 AM |
| 0 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Women have soft and smooth features even when they don’t shave. Due to having predominantly estrogen and progesterone for sex hormones, they have a higher percentage of body fat, they have breasts and tend to carry fat in the hips and thighs, they have softer and smoother skin, they have more hair on their heads and don’t go bald, and the lack of testosterone means they have less muscle and body hair than men tend to have. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:24 AM |
| 0 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”My philosophy, as a woman who does not want to trade sex, housework, and reproduction for money and resources, is to do unto others so to speak. This means not forcing gender roles on men, not expecting men to pay the whole bill on dates, acquiring money and resources for myself, etc. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:21 AM |
| 9 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”By “independent woman” I’ve been referring to the way the manosphere seems to define the term: a woman who does not depend on a male partner for money and resources. Humans are interdependent; there’s no true independence anywhere in the biosphere. I want an emotional and physical relationship with a male partner. I don’t, however, want to provide sexual and reproductive labor in exchange for money and resources. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:08 AM |
| 5 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”The reason I put “independent women” in quotes like that is because what the manosphere sees to be referring to with that term is a woman who is not financially or dependent on a male partner. Humans are interdependent and I didn’t mean to suggest otherwise. Here, I’m speaking of women who make their own money and provide for themselves. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 04:04 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I’m not against men finding women sexy or vice versa. What bothers me is that first and foremost a man’s body is a body, even if it’s a sexy one, while a woman’s body is first and foremost a sex toy. I don’t even subscribe to the body positivity movement. I’m not advocating for everyone loving body hair or women without makeup. I believe overweight people need to lose weight for health reasons and shouldn’t be placated and told there’s nothing wrong with their lifestyles. What I’m advocating for… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 03:20 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I think if men as a whole were so repulsed by body hair on women, the human species would have gone extinct many millennia ago. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 03:06 AM |
| -1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I don’t care about who’s attracted to what. The grievance in my previous post was about how my body, because it’s female, is automatically sexualized while a man’s is not. And I believe sex work reinforces the idea that women’s bodies are inherently sexual. People are more than welcome to not be attracted to me; that’s not what the removed post was about. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 03:04 AM |
| 5 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”Preferably, yes. My only reason for not doing so would be wanting to avoid harassment/bullying from others. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 03:01 AM |
| 6 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”To clarify, my desire to be financially self-sufficient and independent isn’t the same as me wanting to be single the rest of my life. I’m attracted to men and I do want to settle down with a partner - perhaps marry. Even so, I still plan on being financially independent and providing for and protecting myself. Basically, while I don’t want to rely on a man for money and resources and offer sexual and reproductive labor in exchange, I do want a long term partner to connect with and be emotionall… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 02:37 AM |
| 1 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”I’m pretty sure people have been attracted to me even while I made no effort to hide my minimal armpit hair. While certainly some people of either sex may not be into a partner having armpit hair, I don’t think you have a grounds to suggest having armpit hair is committing to a life of singledom. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 02:33 AM |
| 3 | A response to criticisms of “independent women”If you wanna be a hairy woman to remove yourself from the dating pool, go for it, just don't try to live that kind of life and make men change their wants and standards to suit you, as they keep on hearing, like "wow, you won't date someone who's overweight? Just because I (or anyone) has body hair doesn’t mean they’re “hairy.” And having body hair also doesn’t mean someone is overweight, unhealthy, or doesn’t take care of themselves. I’m skinny, I take care of my skin, I eat healthy and exercis… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/06/21 02:25 AM |
| 40 | OP drank the LibFem koolaid and posted nudes online... now the same redditors who jerked off are judging 😳🥸I’m giving all my time and attention to get all of a girl and a random stranger on the internet can see her naked anyways for free. I’m wondering if it’s a social status thing... or maybe it’s about controlling women. I don’t see how a woman posting her exposed body online makes her only “part” of a woman. If it’s all consensual he can still see her body and engage in sexual activity with her - in that sense he actually does get “all” of her. I think maybe men feel more in control of women when … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 06/06/21 07:10 AM |
| 57 | OP drank the LibFem koolaid and posted nudes online... now the same redditors who jerked off are judging 😳🥸This seems like an example of the Madonna-Whore dichotomy. Women like Abby Shapiro seem to take pride in their propriety and modesty, but I doubt they’d feel so “safe” in their relationships if they discovered their boyfriends/husbands were siphoning their lust off in the direction of women they put in the “whore” category. With the Madonna-Whore dichotomy, you can’t win. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 06/06/21 07:02 AM |
| 57 | The very famous "sexual compatibility" NVM absolutely MUST check before committing and why it's a bunch of bullEven if he's having a great time, can he tell you're getting tired so knows to end the date? I never thought to vet for this. On all of the meetups (I know) I’ve been on with guys, I ended up feeling drained and miserable and they were either completely oblivious or didn’t care. They were content to let me entertain them for hours, perhaps even longer if I didn’t finally, clumsily manage to say I had to go. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 17/05/21 08:04 PM |
| 1 | Truer words were never spoken. Whether you choose to use the portal or not.Hmm, ok. As I interpreted it, this quote is essentially saying that because women (not including CF women, women who have had hysterectomies, or women who have been sterilized) give birth, they deserve respect and to not have men raise their voices at them. But there’s absolutely a 0% chance I will ever give birth, so it’s like does that mean men shouldn’t feel the need to speak to me without raising their voices/being disrespectful? Like, is respect contingent on a woman’s ability or openness t… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 11:26 PM |
| 1 | Seeking clarity on as aspect of FDS/Level Up theory regarding protection/provision and gender polarityHmm, I think you might be talking about a hysterectomy with ovary removal. The ovaries are the ones responsible for producing estrogen, progesterone, and to a lesser degree testosterone. It’s possible to get a hysterectomy while leaving your ovaries in place. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 06:27 PM |
| 1 | Seeking clarity on as aspect of FDS/Level Up theory regarding protection/provision and gender polarityI see. I guess I just find it frustrating that the more I take steps to alleviate what are (to me, considering my unique preferences/identity) problems associated with being female, the more I neutralize myself in the gender polarity. I guess in a way I’d like to have the respect/protection/provision just for the sake of it rather than because I anticipate it will be indispensable when I get pregnant/give birth/breastfeed. Regarding the societal expectations to take on the bulk of the housekeepi… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 06:04 PM |
| 10 | Truer words were never spoken. Whether you choose to use the portal or not.I apologize if I’m taking things too literally (sometimes I can’t help it) but what about childfree women who have had their tubes removed for sterilization? I saw the “whether you choose to use it or not” and while I was born with a portal, I’ve taken steps to permanently close it, so to speak. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 03:03 PM |
| 4 | I used to and still feel scared of embracing my feminine side because it feels unsafe. Has anyone else felt this way?I fortunately never experienced rape and sexual harassment like you did, and I’m of more of a thin/only mildly curvy build. But I also spent many years avoiding feminine clothing and shopping the the boys’ section because it felt safer to me to be invisible in that way. I still feel uncomfortable being out in public wearing anything that emphasizes the femininity of my body, so I mostly just don’t wear these things - even though I’d like to from a fashion standpoint. Edit: I’m really sorry that … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 02:51 PM |
| 12 | Johnson gets itHmm, ok. It’s true, it is power to choose not to have kids... but it seems more powerful to choose who to have kids with. If you’re going to have them but only with the best contender, that seems more powerful because you’re then the gatekeeper of passing on a man’s genes. If you’re childfree like me, it doesn’t matter how awesome his genes are or how high value he is - I’m not going to get pregnant with any baby whatsoever. I’m not a gatekeeper of anyone passing on their genes because I’m not e… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 04:54 AM |
| 10 | Johnson gets itDo you think childfree women have power as well, albeit maybe to a lesser degree? Lol cause I don’t want to ever be pregnant, but I like the idea I have some degree of special power. Maybe that’s wanting to have my cake and eat it too though. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 16/05/21 02:59 AM |
| 29 | Johnson gets itDoes the power he says nature has given women consist of their ability to bear children? Or is it something beyond that? Edit: I’m childfree so I’m wondering if this is an evolutionary thing or a social thing where because men consciously/intellectually know women bear children, they regard them as more powerful. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/05/21 11:47 PM |
| 102 | Johnson gets itIt’s interesting how redpill dating coaches frequently say that one of the hallmarks of a “good woman” is that she’s taken or “she’s got a ring on her finger.” They imply it’s very difficult for women to get picked and that those who do “make it” are very lucky and obviously earned the privilege. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/05/21 10:09 PM |
| 105 | "Sit down with him and have a conversation"I’m 24 and, though I’m straight, I have yet to be involved with a man. I hope that when I do start dating men and perhaps enter into a relationship with one I have the mentality of a 40 something-year-old woman. It may be an unrealistic goal, but it would be nice not to need two decades to respect myself in relationships 😂. Side note: do you think this is a big reason why manosphere/redpill/PUA men “prefer” young women? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 15/05/21 04:06 AM |
| 91 | A boyfriend you don’t like looking at naked, who STINKS?! I’d rather be single, thanks 😘And if he still stinks after taking a shower HE ISN'T USING SOAP. AND HE KNOWS HE ISN'T USING SOAP. HE DOESN'T CARE THAT HE STINKS. Exactly. This story honestly depresses me. It would be funny if he were just a dumb idiot, but I suspect he’s got some serious psychopathy going on. I think he’s enjoying the disgusting way he’s abusing her. Either that, or he has some sort of mental disability. How do you keep a job smelling so bad? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 14/05/21 05:42 AM |
| 6 | Text and talking are cheap ways to build faux intimacy with a woman! Make it expensive for him to waste your time.🌺speak 100+ messages on a normal day. Thankfully I don’t do this kind of thing anymore. That’s time we’ll never get back. 🤦♀️ | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/05/21 05:36 PM |
| 5 | Text and talking are cheap ways to build faux intimacy with a woman! Make it expensive for him to waste your time.🌺I spent 15 minutes on a phone call and 10 minutes texting so my losses weren’t terrible with that particular clown. Now I really want to try setting a stopwatch when it comes to guys I meet. Just like your phone tracks how long you spend on it per week or how long you spend on each app, I’d like to know how exactly how much time I waste talking to non-serious men. That way I can feel good about myself once I’ve managed to waste as little as possible. 😊 | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/05/21 05:31 PM |
| 27 | Women are choosers and it literally does not matter what men wantYes, in many ways they want women to take the masculine role, yet complain that women in general are “too masculine.” Seems like their idea of a “feminine woman” is an obedient sex slave, domestic servant, incubation chamber for the heirs to their mighty legacies, and devotee of looking perfect all the time. Edit: they basically want women to be providers for them. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/05/21 03:54 PM |
| 46 | Women are choosers and it literally does not matter what men wantThe manosphere on the other hand, are obsessed with self-investment but only in so far as it increases their chances of having sex. This is SO true. I see them trying to convince themselves it’s for their own sake and for the virtue of simply being better, but I think this is rationalizing and a way to convince themselves they’re not as desperate for women as they really are. One of the main complaints they have about FDS is that, as they put it, it’s not about improving ourselves to be better c… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/05/21 03:48 PM |
| 14 | Women are choosers and it literally does not matter what men wantThe bad news is that the pool of acceptable men is minuscule because of generations of denying our biological role. I often hear men saying that while TRP gets results, FDS rarely manifests in a HV partner for the women who subscribe to it. Would you say this is true - but that the reason is more due to a scarcity of HVM than to a failing on the part of FDS strategy? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 13/05/21 03:30 PM |
| 7 | But - but younger women love older men! /sExactly. Regardless of how attractive a guy looks, I’ll ignore him if this is his opening message. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 12/05/21 02:28 PM |
| 16 | But - but younger women love older men! /sThis! If I swipe on someone I’m usually attracted to their looks. The reason I stop messaging is when the guy expects me to chase him and puts little effort into the conversation. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 12/05/21 02:26 PM |
| 2 | How do you define masculinity and femininity?I'm yet to see any proof of relevant behavioral differences between men and women that are not influenced by the society they were raised in I think it’s some of both - nature and nurture. In every other species, there seems to be prominent behavioral differences between the sexes. However, I think due to our advanced cognition and evolution, the differences are much more slight. I’m not a scientist though, so I’m not sure how much. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 12/05/21 02:34 AM |
| 12 | It's safe to assume that every man you date only wants sex from you —until proven otherwise.If a guy seems sexually hungry around you very early on, does that mean he doesn't consider you "wife material"? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:00 PM |
| 20 | It's safe to assume that every man you date only wants sex from you —until proven otherwise.Uggh... the thing is half of men act romantic, but it’s hard to tell if it’s because they think you’re the one or if it’s just an act. What do you think makes men legitimately think you’re “the one”? Being the Madonna in the Madonna-Whore dichotomy, despite men’s warnings that not sleeping with them right away will make them lose interest? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 01:02 PM |
| 1 | This is getting traction in a FOOD GROUP I’m in, and I cannot describe how unenthusiastic I am with cool-gamer-girl pickmecultureDo you think it could also be an example of the Shrek dynamic someone posted about earlier? Where the woman metaphorically becomes an ogre so she’s no longer out of the guy’s league? Disclaimer: I’m not saying being into video games makes one an “ogre,” but the fact that they’re in their underwear and making a bet like that about who buys dinner definitely isn’t a prince and princess or king and queen dynamic. There just seems to be something about the cartoon intended to lower the value and cla… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 08:07 AM |
| 83 | Most men are not dating to marryI think many also get anxious to ensure their “legacy” by finding a woman to bear their progeny. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 06:58 AM |
| 85 | It's safe to assume that every man you date only wants sex from you —until proven otherwise."men know almost immediately if they want you as wife." Really? This is interesting, because I don’t know almost immediately if I want a guy as a husband. How can they know without getting to know you? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 06:37 AM |
| 71 | Do not take that condom offI’m just shocked because of all the complaining men do about not getting sex from women. 10 different women in 1 month is A LOT! What are they talking about? Apparently they enjoy a sexual smorgasbord. But seriously, why are they so bitter about not getting sex then? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:52 AM |
| 24 | Do not take that condom offMAJORITY of them have slept with over 10 woman in the past month. Seriously?! That’s a lot. It makes no sense why they’re so bitter about women not having sex with them, then. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:48 AM |
| 3 | Is marriage good for women, or a liability to freedom?it's a mammoth effort to understand all the ins and outs. Start early. Lol yeah I did start researching marital law a bit but I got overwhelmed 😂 | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:20 AM |
| 7 | Is marriage good for women, or a liability to freedom?This is why I’m wary of marriage. It may sound a bit paranoid, but I’m worried the tides could turn in society and people would again start regarding the husband as the authority over the wife. In The Handmaid’s Tale, June lost access to her finances and only her husband was able to use their money. I know it’s fiction, but I wonder if she’d been single if she would have retained her access. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:18 AM |
| 13 | Is marriage good for women, or a liability to freedom?Young broke men are being indoctrinated with either direct red pill shit or peripheral garbage memes saying that marriage is a trap for men and she'll take half his shit in a divorce. They're stringing along their forever girlfriend and getting her to pay half rent to avoid investing in a house, car and ring out of stupidity and selfishness. Exactly. They’re very averse to marriage because they’re afraid of “divorce rape.” I’ve heard them say there’s no reason to marry unless you’re having kids.… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:15 AM |
| 4 | Is marriage good for women, or a liability to freedom?Those are good points. In a way, I wish it could be a strictly legal/businesslike thing. The history of marriage turns me off so much. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 04:13 AM |
| 5 | Is marriage good for women, or a liability to freedom?they don't bother hiding their true colors or trying to con me What kinds of things have they revealed to you in their lack of trying to manipulate you? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 11/05/21 03:30 AM |
| 2 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I second this. When you’re a parent you essentially say goodbye to seven hours of sleep a night - especially if you’re a mother. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/21 01:02 AM |
| 2 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?On the other hand, I don't understand why women want children at all, I mean they get irreversibly fucked up on the looks department, their hips grow a lot and I've always thought they start agging faster. I would understand if "childfree" women came to me and said "hey I don't want to fuck up my body that's all" but they bitch all the time about "other wamin havin cheeeeldrin" God they are so noisy. Personally, not wanting to put my body through pregnancy is a big part of being CF. I’m not 100%… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 11/05/21 01:00 AM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I think you're confusing two things: The ability to have children versus already having children. "Childfree" describes people who never want kids, not people who haven't had them yet. Whether or not they're able to have kids, they don't want to do so. They could be young or old. "Childless" women may tend to be younger because they intend to have kids later, and are presumably in their 20s or early 30s if they expect to be able to conceive later. Men who want to have a family want the former, w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/21 07:01 PM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Can you elaborate on why? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/21 06:28 PM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?People who use the "childfree" label have an animus toward children that can reasonably be described as deranged. Some may have an animosity toward children, but many actually like kids and either work with them in their careers or enjoy spending time with nieces and nephews and such. It’s the same as liking dogs but not wanting the responsibility of owning one yourself. Besides, even if one doesn’t like kids, it doesn’t follow that they have a vendetta against them or that they actively hate th… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/21 01:10 PM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Why? Are you childfree? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/21 03:10 AM |
| 17 | A group of boys harasses and assaults a group of girls minding their own business.Echoes all the stories I hear of women who see other women (and even men) being harassed by other men, and noone steps in except women. They don't care. This is haunting. I’ve never been physically assaulted, but I always assumed if it happened in public good Samaritans (namely male ones because their larger size would better ward off an attacker) would intervene and prevent harm or death from coming my way. I think it’s really important for society to realize that despite the rights and freedom… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 10/05/21 02:49 AM |
| 20 | A group of boys harasses and assaults a group of girls minding their own business.Is that why they do it? Because they resent women and girls for not having sex with them? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 10/05/21 02:48 AM |
| 10 | Will Male Entitlement End Humanity?Unfortunately, I worry they will attempt to forcibly control women’s reproductive systems by passing laws to undermine Roe v Wade, restricting access to birth control, and making it impossible for women to get sterilization surgery. I just want to point out, also, that even if men step up to be better fathers, the situation for women still isn’t ideal because bearing children is a risk to one’s life and a range of temporary to permanent complications are inevitable even for healthy pregnancies. … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 10/05/21 02:28 AM |
| 3 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I actually think caring about animals, species diversity, rainforests, coral reefs, ecological balance, and cleanliness of the environment is a very feminine attribute. It’s not caring about and nurturing a child one birthed, but it is caring about and nurturing the planet that gives life to all organisms that inhabit it. Having a planet habitable to human beings is a prerequisite to even starting a family. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 10/05/21 12:05 AM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?You can raise a child without birthing one. Moreover, parents alone aren’t adequate for a child’s thriving. Kids, like adults, live in an interdependent society of specialized workers essential to humanity’s survival and thriving. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 11:13 PM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I used to think it was debatable. Then I realized humans are single-handedly causing massive species extinctions, pumping greenhouse gases into the atmosphere, destroying rainforests for more farmland, and creating large islands of plastic out in the ocean. If there were fewer of us, there would be less waste and pollution to clog up the planet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 11:10 PM |
| 1 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?The world doesn't care about individual children unless they're theirs or someone's they have a close relationship with. I’m not so sure about that. I think many people would help a lost kid who got separated from their parents or otherwise needed help. Maybe the motivation is stronger when you encounter a person in need in person as opposed to hearing about a group of disenfranchised people on the news or something. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 11:06 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I’d legitimately prefer to kill myself than be responsible for some other fuckwits DNA. I find this appallingly dehumanizing. A child isn’t “DNA.” No human is “DNA;” humans have DNA. Besides, regardless of what you think about the quality of the parent, the child didn’t choose to be born and isn’t low-quality by extension. You don’t have to adopt a kid, but a kid isn’t worthless garbage simply because they don’t have your DNA. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 10:59 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Reposted from one of my other comments in this thread: There have been responses in this thread claiming that CF women are genetically defective, hedonistic, selfish, and potentially culpable for the extinction of the human race. If that isn't "having something against CF women," what is? Manosphere content, while it may seldom or never explicitly state that CF women are problematic, paints the ideal woman as one who settled down in her early to mid 20s with a man, had several kids with him, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 09:52 PM |
| 4 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Reposted from one of my other comments in this thread: There have been responses in this thread claiming that CF women are genetically defective, hedonistic, selfish, and potentially culpable for the extinction of the human race. If that isn't "having something against CF women," what is? Manosphere content, while it may seldom or never explicitly state that CF women are problematic, paints the ideal woman as one who settled down in her early to mid 20s with a man, had several kids with him, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 09:49 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Reposted from one of my other comments in this thread: There have been responses in this thread claiming that CF women are genetically defective, hedonistic, selfish, and potentially culpable for the extinction of the human race. If that isn't "having something against CF women," what is? Manosphere content, while it may seldom or never explicitly state that CF women are problematic, paints the ideal woman as one who settled down in her early to mid 20s with a man, had several kids with him, and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 09:47 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?1) My question was whether the manosphere had a problem with CF women; men in the general population and on r/childfree aren't the manosphere. 2) There have been responses in this thread claiming that CF women are genetically defective, hedonistic, selfish, and potentially culpable for the extinction of the human race. If that isn't "having something against CF women," what is? 3) Manosphere content, while it may seldom or never explicitly state that CF women are problematic, paints the ideal wo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 09:45 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?How so? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 08:04 PM |
| 2 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Childfree meaning never going to have kids, not hasn’t had kids yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 07:31 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?There are so many ways to contribute to humanity’s well being and survival that don’t consist of making a baby. Like I said in another comment, propagating the species doesn’t end at birthing a baby. That baby needs to be raised, taught, and provided with goods and services that can be provided whether or not one is CF. Society is interdependent. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 07:29 PM |
| 4 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?You’re essentially saying it’s only possible to care about humanity as a collective and its future if you have spread your genes. Many people care about children who aren’t related to them. I’d say the compassionate ones do. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:53 PM |
| 6 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Having pets =/= having kids. The experiences have similarities but are VERY different. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:46 PM |
| 12 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I agree - and also because men don’t have to be pregnant and give birth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:44 PM |
| 9 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?They have tradcon beliefs just one group thinks women are a “lost cause” and choose to be perpetual manwhores while the rest choose to look for a “unicorn” at at least a teenaged or early twenties woman who they can “raise” and “lead” into being a good wife. Exactly, this is what I was saying in my other comment about RPers holding out for their tradcon dream girl while they penetrate as many “lost cause” women as possible in the meantime. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:35 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Yup, I can corroborate this. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:27 PM |
| 2 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Same. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:27 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?So are gay people genetically defective? Remember that it serves a population/species to have some members that don’t reproduce. Overpopulation is perilous just like not reproducing enough is. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 06:25 PM |
| 3 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?You do know that political ideologies aren’t genetic, right? Just like religion isn’t? For example, plenty of kids grow up indoctrinated in a particular religious denominations and end up atheist, agnostic, or non-denominationally “spiritual.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:35 PM |
| 17 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?1) Check out r/regretfulparents. 2) One can be maternal toward pets, other adults, students, people they’re mentoring, nieces and nephews, the list goes on. One doesn’t need to literally birth a baby. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:27 PM |
| 16 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Ohhh ok. In that case you’re very right. It seems they’re holding out for the 20 year old tradcon dream girl they’re hoping to end up with even if they’re middle aged. I think they do want kids, but mainly as a way to “immortalize” themselves and create their “legacy.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:25 PM |
| 2 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?“Childfree” describes a lifestyle choice to never have kids. It’s kind of like a sexual orientation. It doesn’t mean that one simply hasn’t had kids yet. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:21 PM |
| 3 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?(otherwise said society is just going to go extinct, get assimilated or lose a war or something). Technically this is possible, but right now we’re facing the opposite problem - there are too many humans living on this planet, and the planet can’t sustain that many humans practicing the standard of living and level of consumption they currently do. Right now we’re on the road to extinction due to our excess. I’m not advocating for culling the population by any means; I’m just pointing out that a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:02 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Not when overpopulation comes into play. In that case, it’s actually advantageous for a proportion of a population or species to not reproduce. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:58 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Women hold themselves to that standard Many times, yes, but only because society held them to it first. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:43 PM |
| 10 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?My sense has been that the pump/dump red pillers ideally want the tradcon life, but because they’re so jaded about women they’ve decided to just penetrate as many of them as possible and maybe someday, maybe in their 50s, they’ll finally find their tradcon dream girl. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:37 PM |
| 17 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Based on my observation, this is exactly what the manosphere seems to consider the epitome of perfection for a woman. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:35 PM |
| 7 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Exactly. It takes an immense amount of selflessness and humility to not pass on one’s genes if one has a genetic disorder or genetic disease running in the family, for example. IMHO a woman taking in an eight year old foster child, or better yet a sibling group, who has endured serious trauma is orders of magnitude more compassionate and “selfless” than a woman passing on her genes and having biological children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:33 PM |
| 6 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Where did you get the idea that most of those complaining about declining birth rates are childfree by choice? I’m on r/childfree and the sub is full of posts about how having kids in this day and age is taxing the environment and accelerating the climate crisis because it perpetuates our overpopulation as a species - keeping in mind the level of consumption and pollution we contribute. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:27 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Except that they still seem to believe and espouse that the ideal woman - not for them personally but in general - is a traditional SAHM who has borne multiple children. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:24 PM |
| 4 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I don't think there's a manosphere specific dislike of childless women. They have utility -- get pumped and dumped before the wall and then gradually become invisible as they age. I never said I was only interested in hearing what women’s biological value is. Besides, technically, if women are out there creating art that moves people to higher understandings, inventing things, saving lives, and caretaking people’s needs, that IS biological value. The propagation of humanity doesn’t stop at the b… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:18 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?As far as I’ve been able to tell the manosphere is 100% populated by tradcon men. What would a non-tradcon manosphere man even look like/believe? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:08 PM |
| 5 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Yes. From a strictly biological POV women's only value to men is sex & procreation. Is that news to you? Uh, yeah, I find it appalling considering that women are also accomplished artists, musicians, scientists, writers, actresses, doctors, therapists, poets, and contribute so much more to society than simply being sex dolls and baby incubators for straight men. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:04 PM |
| 7 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Well, I guess I only ever hear/read the voices of the “tradcucks” or whatever who want 5 kids borne by stay-at-home housewives. I’ve never encountered any alternative RP vision aside from TRP followers who want to pump and dump as many women as humanly possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:59 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?Not really. The majority of CF people still desire to settle down in LTRs or marriages. Dancing circus bears don’t. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:48 PM |
| 12 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?why would she then refuse to have her own child? Any number of reasons. A family history of cancer or a genetic disorder, concern about overpopulation and the climate/ecological crisis, wanting to take in a child who already exists and needs a loving home, a family history of women in the family having severe complications in pregnancy or childbirth, being infertile, or simply not wanting to undergo the strenuous and physically traumatic process of bearing children. Sounds like she cares more ab… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:45 PM |
| 7 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?They have utility -- get pumped and dumped before the wall and then gradually become invisible as they age. So the only value of women is to be sex dolls and vessels for babies? Plus, in the economy, childless women tend to be the most easily manipulated consumers that work the hardest for the least pay. Most women with kids work full time in addition to doing most of the childcare. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:38 PM |
| 21 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?But a lot of men like saying “I have kids.” I think this is very true. Maybe they’re like “trophy kids,” sort of like trophy wives. So he resents her by default. Even if he had no chance actually dating her anyway. This seems so entitled to me. It’s one thing to air one’s grievances that women who wanted kids have already had them with other men they then proceeded to divorce/break up with. It’s another to project your ideal lifestyle onto random people who are just exercising their freedoms and… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:33 PM |
| 8 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?I guess childless women generally have a selfish and unfeminine aura about them. How would being childfree make a woman unfeminine? Why wouldn’t being CF make a man unmasculine? Also, what about women who adopt kids or take them in for foster care? What about women who are nurturing and motherly to pets or stray animals? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:25 PM |
| 13 | Does the manosphere have something against childfree women? If so, why?There’s such an emphasis on women settling down and having kids in their 20s, and RP content creators regularly cite the limited fertility window for women. I got the impression that, according to the manosphere, procreating and procreating in one’s 20s was the right way to be a woman and that anything else was wrong. There seems to be a lot of criticism of women for pursuing a career in their 20s rather than having kids and being stay-at-home mothers, so I took it that the manosphere likes wome… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 02:21 PM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?I agree with another commenter here in that those “simps” actually don’t give a crap about women’s well-being and are just hoping to get sexual access by being “nice guys.” | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 11:19 AM |
| 1 | Why does the manosphere ignore the existence of childfree people and demonize women who don't have/don't want kids?Hey, was my post removed? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 10:08 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?Even if that were so, it's better to whine than refer to human beings as "plates." Edit: that level of regarding people as inanimate objects to be used is scary. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 08:08 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?Being emotionally abusive isn't being a better dude. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 08:02 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?That's not true. FDS isn't for gold diggers. It's not about extracting all you can from men and giving them nothing in return. I'm not asexual and I'm not opposed to being physically intimate with the right partner. I'm human, and like most humans, I want that kind of intimacy. But I don't want it with some guy who's going to disappear once we have sex or with someone I don't see a future with, and that's where FDS is very helpful. There's a gross misunderstanding here that FDS followers will ne… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:06 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?Also FDS, to me, is about attempting to artificially inflate your value by “holding out” having sex with someone you like until they show you tons of commitment/value/etc. No, waiting to have sex is a strategy designed to weed out men only looking for sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:03 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?I don't think so. If a close friend, pet, or family member of mine were injured, seriously ill, dying, or in dire straights to a lesser degree, I wouldn't require them to give me something in exchange for helping them or being there for them. That's what differentiates a loving relationship from a transaction. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 04:02 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?FDS isn't about never having sex. It's about screening out guys who only want sex, since most FDS-ers are seeking LTRs or marriage. Waiting to have sex increases the likelihood that the guys who stick around are into you for more than sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:56 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?The worldview that most men are worthless, and that the rest require trickery to land would probably turn off most men, including high value ones. So you're forced to hide this worldview from your partner, which gets to my biggest bone to pick with the movement: nowhere is there talk of how to build a mutually honest and trusting relationship. FDS isn't about tricking men; it's about being strategic so you can distinguish between viable candidates for an LTR and the rest of the men - whether the… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:55 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?The key thing is that while I have standards and requirements for someone to be my partner (as does everyone), I wouldn't dump a partner if they got injured or seriously ill and could not longer do certain things. That's what makes something a loving relationship and not a transaction. By contrast, I can't walk into a store and say that because I've been sick I haven't been earning money and expect to walk out with any merchandise. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:50 AM |
| 0 | Are relationships business transactions?Most of FDS are overweight, old, and masculine women. That's not true. Many FDS women are in their 20s. I'm in my 20s, slim, and don't present with a masculine aesthetic at all. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:48 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?But honestly y'all don't seem to have very much to offer that a high value man would actually value. FDS followers aren't necessarily asexual, celibate, or opposed to any of the elements of a typical LTR. They just want to reserve those things for men who commit to them and are seriously interested in them. Waiting to have sex isn't about getting everything you can from a man while none of his desires are satisfied. It's about weeding out guys who just want sex, but are dishonest about it and le… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:46 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?I have trouble believing a RP man can actually be in a healthy relationship. Their sub preaches that women are cognitively deficient and inherently foolish, and that they need men to think rationally for them. RP spheres are full of talk that women are incapable of attaching to a long-term partner and being in love, that they will perpetually "monkey branch" to better guys. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:41 AM |
| 2 | Are relationships business transactions?I think the point of this strategy is to make sure the man who you want a LTR with is into you for more than just a quick fling. If he sticks around despite not getting sex, it's more likely that he's attracted to your non-physical qualities, which is a must if you're seeking a LTR. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:36 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?TRP board will show TIPS on how a man should better themselves, hold themselves accountable, and be a better, alpha male What about Red Pill's teaching men to play hot and cold, use "dread game," put women down ("neg") them to make them feel inadequate and unworthy of love from anyone else - thus easily manipulated? These are the behaviors of an emotional abuser. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:34 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?men don't care about women's money, but women care about men's money. It's not uncommon for me to encounter men who express that they won't date a woman unless she can and does pay her own way whatever they do. Women may, on average, desire not just that a man can pay his own way but hers as well, but men do care about women's financial status. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:30 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?Men's forums? They basically want someone average to slim. Seriously? What about having a large chest, a big butt, showing no signs of aging, having a model-type face, being tan, etc.? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:26 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?This | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:20 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?To clarify, I'm not implying women should be dependent on men for protection and be helpless in its absence. By "protector," I mean someone who looks out for their best interest and has their back so that they can relax more and not spend so much energy being vigilant about potential threats. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:20 AM |
| 0 | Are relationships business transactions?Most men want to protect and provide. Really? I don't see much evidence of this. Going off some of the dating advice for men that I've encountered, the goal is to get as much as you can from women for as little as possible. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:14 AM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?Doesn't FDS regularly talk of men in terms of their "value" and isn't that value at least partially determined by what those men bring to the table materially? I don't mean that relationships should be unconditional or that neither party should be seeking particular things. However, to me the difference between a loving relationship and a transaction is that if my partner got hurt in an accident or fell seriously ill, I wouldn't dump them just because they were no longer able to do certain thing… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 09/05/21 03:12 AM |
| 1 | Very important watch that sums up sad reality of dating in London. I'm really scared to make men wait for sex because there's such a high risk he's willing to run the marathon and leave afterward. https://www.instagram.com/tv/CFZf60RAN3q/?igshid=vpdkcxkma87hHow did you meet these guys? Did you use OLD? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 08/05/21 08:26 AM |
| 4 | Are relationships business transactions?That's true, but it does clear the space for good men and eliminate distractions, so by that mechanism it makes it more likely. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 03:54 AM |
| 0 | Are relationships business transactions?if he doesn't have a plan for himself, he definitely won't have a plan for you. I think this is paramount as most women want a man who knows what he's doing and is looking out for them. I agree, although I'd add thst just because he has a plan for himself, it doesn't mean he has a plan for me. Get off the dating apps and join mixed gendered hobbies where you have to cooperate with men in order to get some task done, e.g. salsa dance, rock climbing, martial arts, etc. It gives you a chance to see… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 03:44 AM |
| 0 | Are relationships business transactions?Men don't want women bedrigingly doing things to please them so that they can get something in return. They don't want women faking submissiveness to be able to keep the relationship. The definition of a HVF is a woman who enjoys being submissive and having sex with her partner for its own sake. Essentially, it's about finding women who want us to be happy. That's what makes it differ from a business transaction. Transaction are all about bedrugingly giving something up to get something else in … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 03:12 AM |
| -1 | Are relationships business transactions?They don't want women faking submissiveness to be able to keep the relationship. The definition of a HVF is a woman who enjoys being submissive and having sex with her partner for its own sake. How are you defining “submission”? Because the last person I’d ever be inclined to submit to is someone who doesn’t care about my well-being and sees me as an object to be consumed like any other product on the market. I’m not against submission itself but I definitely wouldn’t cede control to someone unl… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 02:46 AM |
| -2 | Are relationships business transactions?I never said I wouldn't likewise do things purely for the sake of making my partner happy. See, this is the difference between a loving relationship and a business transaction: caring about someone. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 08/05/21 12:12 AM |
| -5 | Are relationships business transactions?Yes, and the price of that “protection and provision” is sex. Or, perhaps, it could even be an additional bonus. My and many people's definition of a masculine provider is someone who provides in order to take care of one or more people simply because he wants them to be well. It's an act of altruism. I mean, what would you think of an unrelated man who protected and provided for a woman, and treated her romantically...and didn’t fuck her? Weird, right ? No, I woud think he's compassionate and g… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:59 PM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?It’s not just about not being psychopathic though. As I’ve written elsewhere here, in FDS it’s about finding men who enjoy providing for the sake of providing - that’s what distinguishes “providing” from “paying for sex.” In FDS it’s about finding men who take pleasure in their partner’s pleasure as if it is their own. That means that Man X is still low value if the only things he does for his female partner are geared toward getting something in return, e.g. sex. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:51 PM |
| 1 | Are relationships business transactions?If you're saying FDS women "just want a good guy who will treat them like a queen" I'd say you're misrepresenting FDS. FDS stresses that men provide because providing is part of treating a woman like a queen. If one wants to treat someone like a queen, why wouldn’t they do things to ease their burdens? The crucial thing is, as I’ve said elsewhere here, we don’t want men begrudgingly doing things to please us or doing things to please us to get something in return. The FDS definition of a HVM is … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:35 PM |
| 4 | Are relationships business transactions?Fundamentally FDS-ers (the heterosexual ones, anyway) seek masculine-energy men. Providing and protecting are defining elements of masculine energy. But what's crucial to realize is that making a purchase and paying for something isn't the same thing as providing and protecting. Providing and protecting come from a place of moral integrity and a desire to take ownership and responsibility for someone's well-being for its own sake. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:23 PM |
| 3 | Are relationships business transactions?Man X would be considered low value if despite those positive attributes he displayed pathological personality characteristics such as narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy. Having a rich man for a partner doesn't do much good if he's abusive - homicidal at worst. That's why FDS stresses that looks and money don't automatically make a man high value. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:18 PM |
| -3 | Are relationships business transactions?Huh. That's interesting, because if that's true then all women looking to be in LTRs are aspiring prostitutes trading sex for (if they're gonna go this route) hopefully something of equal value. Would you advise a woman who doesn't want to be a prostitute not to seek a relationship with a man since you regard relationships and long-term prostitution gigs as interchangeable? Edit: but tbh whether I'm pleased about it or not I think you may be right that sex is the main purpose of relationships fo… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:07 PM |
| 0 | Are relationships business transactions?Having particular things one is attracted to =/= seeing relationships as business transactions. I don’t think certain men preferring women with large chests necessarily means they view relationships as transactional, for example. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 11:01 PM |
| 39 | How do you clearly show a man your standards/expectations? Consistent, precise, and rapid ACTIONPersonally my approach is to let him be exactly what he is naturally and discard him if he doesn’t care about my well-being. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 07/05/21 06:43 PM |
| 1 | What do you bring to the table?That didn’t answer my question. Most women you encounter will probably have had an abusive relationship to some degree because misogyny is still deeply entrenched in society. It’s not their fault. In my personal experience running into a woman who has been sexually abused as a child or raped at some point in her life is a common, mundane occurrence. I feel sorry they experienced that abuse but it doesn’t surprise me due to how common it is. Edit: added to that, men can be devoted imposters and d… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 06:25 PM |
| 1 | What do you bring to the table?Does not having had a LTR disqualify a woman? In my case it’s not due to a lack of desire but to the fact that the only men interested in me have wanted ONS/FWB or sexting/ego-validation. Edit: and I imagine this is a dilemma other women virgins are facing. Added to that, most men I’ve encountered employ negging and put-downs so being in a LTR with them would mean willingly entering into an abusive relationship. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 05:54 PM |
| 1 | What do you bring to the table?She's spent the majority of her twenties in ONS/Flings, situationships/short term relationships, dysfunctional/abusive relationships instead of a history of cultivating a healthy LTR? Where on earth does anyone get the idea that this is the norm for the majority of women? I’m 24F, a virgin who has never been in a relationship, and I can’t fathom being foolish enough to be sexually intimate with someone I hardly know. This is common sense from a safety perspective. I think most women are aware of… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 04:36 PM |
| 1 | Question for Women: What do you want a guy to bring to the table for a long term relationship and possibly a life commitment? What is negotiable and what isn't? And, a bit of a weird question here: What do you wish him to ask you to bring?What do you want a guy to bring to the table for a long term relationship and possibly a life commitment? Attention to personal hygiene and physical health, e.g. diet and exercise Well-groomed No drug use or smoking, alcohol/weed only in moderation Financially stable and self-sufficient, doesn't need me to help him out financially or in terms of resources/career-building Intelligence and education Cares about other people, animals, and the environment (empathy) Protective of women's well-being a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 07/05/21 03:27 PM |
| 1 | Seeking your opinions on adopting a kid as a single personThe thing is that my life right now is extremely difficult and full of strife. I’m unhappy most of the time. I think that if my life were better, which it may someday be, I would enjoy raising a kid. As things stand now I’m struggling just to make it through my own life and all the obstacles it comes with. When I’ve had better life circumstances I’ve been a happier person. So I’m coming from a place of recalling how I was when my life wasn’t as hard, and assuming it won’t always be like this. Ed… | /r/askFDS | 05/05/21 07:30 PM |
| 1 | Do you think marriage is worth it considering that even a seeming HVM could just be a LVM putting on an act? Ah ok, I'll post it there instead. Thanks for letting me know. | /r/askFDS | 04/05/21 04:41 PM |
| 11 | Don’t call him a HVM too soon. Someone who says/does the right things can also be a wolf in sheep’s skin. TW: sexual assaultLol this is why I have a policy of never revealing my cards when it comes to dating. I intend to keep a poker face and remain a blank slate, providing ample space for my date to reveal himself without judgement from me. Edit: but I do really wish there were some way FDS and the like could be available and visible to women only. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 04/05/21 06:40 AM |
| 13 | Why I probably won’t have a kid: the work that goes into raising/caring for a child is hardly recognizedI’ve already said to my boyfriend (only if he’s a husband by this point) that he’s paying me when I have kids 🤷🏾♀️ What I mean by that is I want a set amount of income when I’m in maternity leave that goes directly into my account. Nothing to do with the kids/ house. He was more than happy to agree because he’s seen how crazy insane pregnancy is, and also acknowledges even the best father in the world- the load gets carried on the woman. I’d totally go this route (minus the pregnancy) if I were… | /r/askFDS | 04/05/21 06:15 AM |
| 4 | Keep Men At A Distance Because False Intimacy Creates Trust.I think it’s because I’m awkward, so I hate having to break the flow to say goodbye. Same here. I think I just need to develop the social skill of smoothly/gracefully checking out. It definitely doesn't come naturally to me. I plan on having a sort of script for how to say farewell prepared ahead of time. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 04/05/21 05:36 AM |
| 13 | Don’t call him a HVM too soon. Someone who says/does the right things can also be a wolf in sheep’s skin. TW: sexual assaultDo you ever worry that male lurkers on FDS or other women’s subs will take note of what we regard as red and green flags and mold themselves to be even more convincing imposters? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 04/05/21 04:47 AM |
| 2 | How common is TRP really?Men view online dating as a sexual menu. They are not there for romance or long term relationships. It's a lazy way of meeting women, sitting on their dirty, stained couch. I definitely get this sense in my own personal experience, but then I see subs like r/dating and I think, "Well clearly there are quite a few men looking for relationships." It's weird because my own experience backs up what you just said, but on more public/unisex forums, Psychology Today articles, and with people IRL, it se… | /r/askFDS | 03/05/21 03:35 PM |
| 2 | How common is TRP really?Thanks for the post! I actually had it saved from earlier, but I'll definitely refer back to it. | /r/askFDS | 03/05/21 03:20 PM |
| 2 | How common is TRP really?you'll see thousands of men complaining that all the women who match with them are bots or Only Fans women. I would've thought they'd be overjoyed at matching with an OF woman, considering their dogged fixation on sex. Then again, it's probably free nudes/sex they want from pickmes, not women who are charging. | /r/askFDS | 03/05/21 03:13 PM |
| 6 | How common is TRP really?Since most women using the apps are escorts, sex workers, and bots, the men who stayed on OLD were NVM looking for that. Its basic supply and demand of men looking for sex and prostitutes willing to provide it. Seriously? Most women who are on dating apps are literal escorts and prostitutes? Because I don't think I broadcast the vibe than I'm a sex worker - based on my photos, bio, and the things I talk about when guys message me, e.g. music, what I'm studying, etc. I didn't think prostitutes wa… | /r/askFDS | 03/05/21 02:30 PM |
| 19 | There’s a tidal wave of scrotes coming... are you ready?Lol I would do that but then I'd worry the guy would ask me for my last name + phone number. And I wouldn't give those out out of concern for stalking. Edit: Also, what if he lies? I've encountered guys on apps before who periodically change their first names. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 03/05/21 03:29 AM |
| 29 | There’s a tidal wave of scrotes coming... are you ready?Exactly. The moment you download and open the app, your mindset goes from, "What can I do to better myself in life?" to "Which photo do I look the prettiest in?" and "What witty things can I say in my bio to make me look fun and cool?" | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 03/05/21 01:57 AM |
| 16 | Keep Men At A Distance Because False Intimacy Creates Trust.I’ve often found myself trapped in multi-hour meetups (of course they weren’t real dates), and I always felt guilty about cutting them shorter despite my itching to leave. I felt like I owed the men. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 03/05/21 01:17 AM |
| 29 | There’s a tidal wave of scrotes coming... are you ready?How do you do a background check on someone if you don’t know their last name? Do you ask for his social media and do your detective work from there? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 03/05/21 12:36 AM |
| 52 | There’s a tidal wave of scrotes coming... are you ready?it just occurred to me a few days ago that guys probably look at dating app women as selling themselves 🤮 This comment has made me take a second look at how I’m approaching OLD. Idk if it’s deep-seated pickmeism or just the way dating apps are set up, but I definitely feel like I’m selling myself when I even make a profile on a dating app. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 03/05/21 12:21 AM |
| 2 | Men who take naked pictures of sleeping women, and men who use hidden cameras to secretly film their sexual encounters, are compelling reasons to avoid casual sex until you have thoroughly vetted his character.What do you advise doing when you have become exclusive with a (seeming) HVM and you’re ready to be physically intimate? I’ve contemplated having him pay for a hotel room when the time comes to be physically intimate - like, he’d give me the money and I would pay for/choose the room so there’d be no opportunity to hide cameras/weapons. Also for safety purposes, I’d choose one near the lobby or something where the only exit required walking through the lobby - and I’d book the room during a busy … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 02/05/21 09:24 PM |
| 3 | On OLD, should I bother responding to introductions consisting of “hey”?Lol yeah I often feel like I’m being asked to prove myself when they ask “What are your plans this weekend?” Or “What did you do today?” Or “What are your hobbies?” I’m social distancing until fully vaccinated and I’m also very introverted. I’m not the “fun girl” I perceive guys are into. | /r/askFDS | 01/05/21 01:19 PM |
| 5 | On OLD, should I bother responding to introductions consisting of “hey”?I’m almost at the point where I’m ready to disregard the guys who ask “what do you like to do?” I had been thinking it was thoughtful to ask that because maybe they wanted to know what kind of dates I’d enjoy most, but it’s technically low effort and definitely cookie-cutter, and I also happen to find it laborious to answer. There’s stuff in my profile about what I like to do and what I’m interested in. | /r/askFDS | 01/05/21 07:50 AM |
| 4 | On OLD, should I bother responding to introductions consisting of “hey”?These conversations are lazy, boring, they get annoying very quickly and then I usually respond less frequently because I'm annoyed and bored out of my mind, so I get told off for being a bitch because I don't respond and don't put effort into the convo. Lmao yup. Same here; they get mad and impatient when I don’t reply to “hey.” It boggles my mind because idk how they can blame me when all they messaged was “hey.” It’s their own fault. | /r/askFDS | 01/05/21 07:44 AM |
| 8 | On OLD, should I bother responding to introductions consisting of “hey”?Any guy who doesn’t start with a specific personal message message is just playing the numbers game. That’s a harsh truth. And I’ll try your suggestion; that sounds like a good idea. :) | /r/askFDS | 01/05/21 07:42 AM |
| 2 | Seeking your opinions on adopting a kid as a single personTy! | /r/askFDS | 30/04/21 02:58 PM |
| 0 | Seeking your opinions on adopting a kid as a single personOk I was referring to things like whether or not I’d raise them eating meat - things like values. Things like whether or not they get their scheduled CDC recommended childhood vaccines (for the record I would definitely want them to). I was referring to things parents normally call the shots on when it comes to the kids they’re raising Not controlling their life. And regarding self sacrifice I was mainly thinking of things like only get an average of three hours of sleep per night during the beg… | /r/askFDS | 30/04/21 09:27 AM |
| 3 | Seeking your opinions on adopting a kid as a single personYeah, I've thought along those lines too. I'm also a young adult. In my perfect world, I'd be able to secure abundant wealth and resources before having a kid because I'm also very averse to self-sacrifice (that's one reason I've identified as childfree for a long time). However, the reality is those circumstances may never manifest for me, so I have to wonder if living my whole life not having a kid to raise is really what I want to do. I've considered doing some sort of childcare or child educ… | /r/askFDS | 30/04/21 05:46 AM |
| 20 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outAnd an accessible hole. I’ve made the mistake of asking guys out pre-FDS, and the goal was always to get to know the guy better and talk. NEVER to have sex with him lmao. That’s ridiculous that men think women asking them out automatically means they want to hook up. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:41 AM |
| 19 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outChances are if you approach a man, whether he accepts you are not, you have been demoted in his mind Do you think a HVM would demote you for approaching? Waiting to be asked out gives you higher chances that the askee sees value in you, but of course this is no guarantee. Honestly, really thinking about it, I’m not sure I want a guy’s interest to be contingent on whether I waited for him to ask me out. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:36 AM |
| 26 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outwe need to acknowledge that the same men who are turned off by women making the first move, will also be turned off when she returns his affections 6 months later 🤷. I’ve been strictly adhering to letting the guy lead, but I feel disillusioned because I don’t want my allure to come from the fact that I haven’t been consumed yet or that I’m not available. That’s a game; it’s not a breeding ground for a healthy LTR. Do you think being forward about your interest is a good way of screening out men … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:28 AM |
| 87 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outDo you think it’s safe to say that guys who are turned off by women showing interest is a huge red flag because it indicates they may only be attracted to coercive contact? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:23 AM |
| 47 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outThey don’t even commit to women they’ve chased and pursued relentlessly It’s this that really makes me wary of being pursued by a guy. I don’t want to only be interesting to him because he hasn’t obtained me yet. I want him to be interested because I’m me and we just click. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:20 AM |
| 11 | FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH: Why we don't ask men outDo you think a HVM would have reacted the way your colleagues did and believed the women was desperate? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/04/21 12:18 AM |
| 2 | Should a partner pay for or help you to pay for surrogacy?Even though gestational surrogacy costs between $100k-150k?! I guess your reasoning is: he chose me/wants me, he wants kids, I don’t want to be pregnant, so it’s on him to find an alternate route? | /r/askFDS | 29/04/21 01:33 PM |
| 1 | Should a partner pay for or help you to pay for surrogacy?Lol ok thanks, I appreciate your consistent input on my posts :) When it comes to settling down with a partner and living together, if I continue to work, should I be saving all my earnings in my own (not shared) bank account as opposed to pooling it together with my partner’s earnings? I’m really scared of ending up in a 50/50 relationship and “building with a man.” I’m thinking if I go the adoption or surrogacy route, I ought to pay half - but beyond that, my money should be only spent on me r… | /r/askFDS | 29/04/21 01:27 PM |
| 2 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?Personally, I'd be perfectly fine with surrogacy but not adoption Really? Even given that the whole process costs anywhere from $100k-150k? I plan on saving before I even find a partner and hopefully having family chip in, but I think I’m gonna need a partner’s significant financial contribution to ultimately make it work. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 06:52 PM |
| 1 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forsurrogates are usually women with a true want to do this for others (usually infertile women/couples), and may see it as a grand generosity I feel guilty about using a surrogate though because I’m not infertile. I just don’t want to bear a child. | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 05:32 PM |
| 1 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forI think your views are nowhere near as rare as you think they are and this idea that they are is making you miserable. The idea that no one shares these views is much more damaging and limiting to you than any of the views are themself. Most people I’ve posed my dilemma to so far have essentially responded with some variation of “It’s impossible, you’re f*cked.” Would you date a man who has children, doesn't want any more (and is of course a good and present parent)? Yes, but with qualifiers. If… | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 02:58 PM |
| 1 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forThat's good, although I don't know what the odds are of me stumbling upon one. Also, I lean more towards parenthood via adoption now. | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 02:52 PM |
| 2 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided foryou don’t have to have babies because they said so nor bash them because they feel it’s important for them. I never bashed them for wanting to bear children. I criticized them because I maintain that they absolutely do equate womanhood with motherhood - and not adoptive motherhood, bearing children. I also take issue with the fact that they’re not up front about the fact that their material actually isn’t for all women who identify with femininity and want a provider/protector. It’s for women wh… | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 02:41 PM |
| 2 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forHonestly, at this point I’m thinking I just need to give up lamo. I think my desires just weren’t made to be fulfilled in this universe. There’s no way I can ethically have a kid without bearing a child myself, and I don’t want to do that - it’s not worth it. If I pay a surrogate I’m being misogynistic and subjecting another woman to something I’d never choose to endure myself. If I adopt I’m benefiting from another woman’s poverty and lack of funds to raise her baby herself - I’m benefitting fr… | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 02:16 PM |
| 3 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forIf those Youtubers do not embody that mindset they shouldn’t be watched or on the recommended list. Idk it just seems like they bulldoze over the childbearing thing. They’re quick to acknowledge its downsides but they don’t seem to validate their dissatisfaction with the downsides. They seem to present it as simply their duty as a wife. I feel alienated by that because it’s invalidating and I sense a lack of empathy from them due to their attitude on procreation. I imagine if I had a conversatio… | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 02:01 PM |
| 11 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forI don’t see my femininity as a bargaining chip at all; I see it as a naturally occurring part of who I am. If it’s precisely what someone else is looking for, I think that would be more aptly called a symbiotic relationship than a transaction. In a transaction, something is begrudgingly given up in exchange for something else that is needed/desired. In symbiosis, both parties in the relationship benefit from each other’s fulfillment the way the heart benefits from the intestines providing it wit… | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 01:47 PM |
| 12 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided forI’m not calling all wives who do those things glorified sugar babies and surrogate mothers. It’s different if a woman truly, of her own accord, wants to bear children. However, the YouTubers I’m referring to talk about their childbearing ability like it’s a bargaining chip in a business transaction. That’s why I called them glorified sugar babies/surrogate mothers. They commodify their sexualities and their uteruses. | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 01:36 PM |
| 16 | Rant + seeking your opinions: these FDS-approved YouTubers aren't actually feminist and are really just preaching that a woman WHO BEARS CHILDREN for a man deserves to be protected/provided for>Those accounts are for aspirational trophy wives, not us. That makes so much sense. They're basically glorified sugar babies and surrogate mothers. Honestly, I'm so done. Edit: If a HVM is compassionate and empathetic, he won't want his female partner to give birth unless she truly wants to of her own accord. What BS. The definition of compassion and empathy is regarding someone else's pleasure and pain as your own pleasure and pain, and taking pleasure in the person's fulfillment. You have to … | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 01:02 PM |
| 1 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I see. Do you think a man would be more like to be the primary provider (me being the primary caregiver) in a blended family like that where he already has a biological kid? Do you think you could love/care for her adopted kid as much as you do for your own if your families were to merge? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?talking to a woman who has adopted. In my case, I don’t have any kids yet. I’d prefer to adopt a child once married or in a LTR - jointly, with my partner so that we are both the child’s legal parents. I’d be open to adopting his kid as well. Does that change things? Also, do you think a man would be more like to be the primary provider (me being the primary caregiver) in such a situation? Do you think you could love/care for her adopted kid as much as you do for your own if your families were t… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 11:05 AM |
| 1 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I guess my conception of a blue pill man was essentially: respects women and believes they deserve ultimate satisfaction as all people do, is compassionate to people (and animals) in general, cares about the environment, is gentle/careful, and has integrity and good character. Nothing in there about being permissive of infidelity, promiscuity, disrespect, or getting gender reassignment surgery (uh... it’s natural to have a particular sexual orientation). Nothing in there about being a doormat or… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 09:04 AM |
| 2 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?What are you bringing to the table that’s with all this? I’m young. I’d be the primary caregiver. you want a man who wants kids, but his wife refuses to give him kids of his own. So he’s worked his ass off in life to be able to be the primary/sole breadwinner for his family, but that money is going to a woman who didn’t want to give birth and a kid that’s not even his own blood Yes, I wouldn’t be compatible with man who wanted kids related to him by blood (unless they were from his previous rela… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 06:50 AM |
| 1 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?Ok, but I’d like to have kids - through adoption. Childfree means childfree, I.e. no biological kids, no adopted kids. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 06:19 AM |
| 6 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?However, if I met someone I fell madly in love with, and we discovered she were infertile or pregnancy were risky or anything else, I'd still wife that little lady without hesitation Lol all pregnancies are risky. Childbearing is an inherently risky activity just like having open heart surgery is. Before modern medicine it was quite commonplace for women to die in childbirth. I know women who would have died giving birth were it not for a prompt medical intervention. I know women who have lost a… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:56 AM |
| 4 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I don't blame you for not wanting to give birth Thank you, that’s refreshing as I often perceive men want to procreate at any cost and don’t care about a woman’s desires, satisfaction, and feelings regarding the method of having kids. your best bet might be somebody who's already had a child or somebody who can't have them I’ve definitely considered looking at single fathers or infertile men. If I settle down with a single father, however, I’d still like to adopt 1 child so I can raise a child f… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:36 AM |
| 2 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?Yeah I’m open to surrogacy, but it’s much more expensive than adopting. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:20 AM |
| 2 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I don’t want a man who would be ok with that level of promiscuity and irresponsibility on my part; I want a man with boundaries, standards, and self-respect. I don’t see how me not wanting to give birth to have kids means I’m looking for a doormat of a man. Can’t I be looking for a man with standards and self-respect who also empathizes with me and understands how traumatic and risky pregnancy/birth are, and has a desire to spare me from it when we go about becoming parents? | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:18 AM |
| 3 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I’m not seeking a man who has no self-respect or boundaries, if that’s what you’re getting at. Quite simply, I just don’t want to be pregnant/give birth. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:14 AM |
| 3 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I’m not in the least bit sexually promiscuous. I’m a actually a virgin still because I haven’t found the right guy. I take fidelity and sexual monogamy very seriously for moral reasons and to avoid STDs (who the hell wants to risk cervical cancer?). I don’t get how not wanting to go through pregnancy and childbirth and have kids another route means I’m looking for a “cuck.” I’m open to using a gestational surrogate, but that’s much more expensive than adoption. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:08 AM |
| 3 | Are “blue pill” men open to being a breadwinner for a woman who prefers to adopt rather than bear children?I also know a high-value beta (200k+/year software engie) who is very devoted to his fucked out slut of a wife that he met on Tinder, who is anti natalist, but he is currently pressuring her to have kids. She doesn't want to but is considering doing the surrogate thing to appease him. I’m not at all sexually promiscuous and I take fidelity and sexual monogamy very seriously. I’m open to surrogacy with my egg and my partners sperm. However, it’s much more expensive to do that than it is to adopt. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 28/04/21 05:04 AM |
| 2 | Feeling stressed/hopeless about my unconventional relationship vision and seeking support and adviceYou think a true HVM would have compassion for me and empathize with my desire to avoid pregnancy, and ultimately want to adopt if only because it would spare me from an experience I’m so averse to (that is objectively also quite risky)? I tend to think so personally. I mean, I thought being a HVM - or even HV in general - was all about respecting, empathizing, genuinely caring about someone’s satisfaction, and genuinely wanting the best for people. I suppose if true HVM are open to adoption, I … | /r/askFDS | 28/04/21 04:17 AM |
| 3 | Feeling stressed/hopeless about my unconventional relationship vision and seeking support and adviceYeah. The question for me is: do I want to adopt once I’m financially stable and emotionally ready even if I don’t have a partner, or do I want to wait for a partner? I don’t want to wait around for something that might never happen - life is short and I believe in seizing the day. But then again, ideally I’d raise a child with a partner from the very beginning. Plus, if I’m a single parent I’ll have to work more and have less time to spend with the kid. As a kid, I never liked daycare/after sch… | /r/askFDS | 27/04/21 04:22 PM |
| 3 | Feeling stressed/hopeless about my unconventional relationship vision and seeking support and adviceTo be frank, i think it will be difficult to find someone that is ok with adopting and is also high value. Do you perceive that HVM are uniquely more inclined to want biological kids? Or is it just that HVM are rare and men who are ok not having bio kids are rare, therefore my odds are even slimmer? Edit: Also, what do you think about the idea of dating a man who already has kids? I’ve read horror stories about men seeking out women just to have a live-in nanny they can have sex with. Besides, I… | /r/askFDS | 27/04/21 02:33 PM |
| 3 | Feeling stressed/hopeless about my unconventional relationship vision and seeking support and adviceThere are men out there who also feel the same way; I’m not sure the number, but I know plenty of childfree , and my husband is one who early on and on his own score expressed a preference for adoption. Sometimes I get the impression when asking around that men aren’t “wired” to provide for a child who isn’t biologically their offspring. Whether this has truth to it, I imagine that just like men are probably more likely to take a woman seriously if they’ve been investing in her, they might be si… | /r/askFDS | 26/04/21 04:21 AM |
| 3 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenI hope so | /r/askFDS | 24/04/21 11:02 PM |
| 3 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenThank you for understanding. I think it’s important to recognize the pain/frustration. Yes, things could be worse. They could always be worse. But ultimate fulfillment isn’t just “things could be worse.” | /r/askFDS | 24/04/21 11:02 PM |
| 11 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenThanks for understanding. It’s depressing and frustrating. | /r/askFDS | 21/04/21 07:21 PM |
| 24 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenyou are grieving the death of a lie. This equal, liberated, equal society was never real, so you are mourning the loss of that idea, rather than any real, material loss. It’s true. I haven’t lost anything. However, I am definitely grieving the unattainability of a desire, and that’s real. We can’t just think our way out of desires - sure, I can use my brain to remind myself a LVM isn’t actually what I want, but that doesn’t change the base fact that I’d like to have a partner someday... obviousl… | /r/askFDS | 21/04/21 05:30 PM |
| 20 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenHowever, I promise there are actually a lot of good men out there. That’s a nice idea, but I have a hard time believing it. If that were the case, why are so many women only encountering LVM? Why haven’t I met any of these good men - and not even in a dating context, just in any context? I’m glad I found FDS and I don’t attribute my feelings to the sub. My real-life experiences corroborate what FDS observes. | /r/askFDS | 21/04/21 05:22 PM |
| 7 | Grieving the fact that 99.999999999999999999999+% of men don’t respect and don’t feel empathy for womenlooking for "the one". waiting for "the one". and bending over backwards because they thought they found "the one". when they could have been out living their best lives. I get it. Nothing in my post was intended to say I’m going to self-sacrifice to be on a relationship, lower my standards, or put my other goals on hold. All I wanted to say was that while I can manifest other desires, and that’s not nothing, I’d also like to be in a (obviously healthy/respectful) relationship - and I’m disappoi… | /r/askFDS | 21/04/21 05:17 PM |
| 1 | Coffee & Walk Dates Lack Chemistry BY DESIGNIt's designed to keep on looking for unicorns Omg yes. There are always those stories about how one lucky couple found each other through OLD and it seems we're constantly urged by men and other women alike not to discount it. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 21/04/21 03:37 AM |
| 7 | Coffee & Walk Dates Lack Chemistry BY DESIGNYeah, I suppose OLD for women is akin to a casting director looking for actors by visiting local sports teams. Not a good use of time to be looking at a pool of people who generally aren’t looking for what you’re looking for at all. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 20/04/21 02:58 PM |
| 13 | Coffee & Walk Dates Lack Chemistry BY DESIGNDo you all have any tips/trick on how to cut down on the time you spend dating so you waste less time in the end? The things I’m thinking of are: only agreeing to go to local venues 20 min or less from where you live, wearing the same 1-2 outfits for every first date, and limiting time spent on the first three dates to just enough time to get a sense of each other (maybe an hour each date?). | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 20/04/21 10:21 AM |
| 1 | I live in a van down by the river - is this a turn off?Okay, I see several responses here saying that part of the reason the van living situation is a red flag is that it indicates the guy is averse to commitment and that, generally, it's unwise to forego putting down roots. I have seriously considered living in a large van, RV, or converted school bus. My reasoning, personally, is that I want to be mobile and adaptable as the climate continues to change and complications like wildfires, hurricanes, heatwaves, insect-borne diseases, droughts, and se… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 20/04/21 03:58 AM |
| 3 | There seems to be an influx on men on tiktok spreading messages that you must have sex before marriage etc for “compatibility”. As someone who doesn’t want to, this just reeks of a LVM tactic to coerce women into sexDon’t you think it should be possible to determine if a guy is pornsick before having sex with him? Like if he objectifies women, is overly into your looks, you catch him viewing porn, etc? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 19/04/21 05:00 PM |
| 5 | How do you feel when a guy you’ve never met in person before calls you “darling” over text?I’ll definitely downgrade him but I’m gonna take the strategy of not letting him know what he did wrong. My hopes are shot, but I plan to fade away. This also lets me observe more of his behavior so I have a better understanding of low value behavior. | /r/askFDS | 19/04/21 01:11 PM |
| 2 | How do you feel when a guy you’ve never met in person before calls you “darling” over text?Ugggghhhhhh, why 99.9999999999% of men? 😡😥😣 | /r/askFDS | 19/04/21 01:03 PM |
| 9 | Never be friends with them. A man befriends a woman working at a construction site. He kills her when he finds out she has a boyfriend. This is why I always just straight ignore any man who tries to talk to me if I don’t himOkay, when I'm presented with a really horrible outcome, I like to strategize on how to avoid experiencing it/protect myself from it. It brings me comfort in the face of something otherwise too disturbing to handle. What are some good ways to make sure this never happens to us? (I'm not victim-blaming - just trying to do what I can to protect myself amid cultural misogyny). Don't talk to/entertain random men? Assume that the vast majority of them only talk to you about non-business-related thing… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 19/04/21 11:48 AM |
| 5 | Never be friends with them. A man befriends a woman working at a construction site. He kills her when he finds out she has a boyfriend. This is why I always just straight ignore any man who tries to talk to me if I don’t himDo you think they don’t get the difference, or do you think they just don’t care? I honestly don’t think they’re that stupid; I think it’s just the objectification and lack of empathy. It’s common sense that if you spring a surprise on someone who has never previously expressed an interest in that thing, they might not like it. If you respect a person, why subject them to something they very well may not like at all? I think they likely don’t ask beforehand because they know the answer would be … | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 19/04/21 11:27 AM |
| 1 | How do you feel when a guy you’ve never met in person before calls you “darling” over text?Does it usually mean the guy is LV and doesn’t see you as an equal? | /r/askFDS | 19/04/21 08:07 AM |
| 9 | Is it possible to trust any man these days?Wow. I don’t understand men. I really don’t think I’m “hard to get,” at least when it comes to going on dates (of course, long term compatibility is a different issue). My criteria are basically: smart, reasonably attractive (average might even work), hygienic, put-together, and respectful. I honestly think I’d go on a date with anyone who checked those basic boxes if they asked. And as for physical intimacy, I also don’t think my standards even qualify as “high.” I look for basic human decency,… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 19/04/21 07:05 AM |
| 19 | Is it possible to trust any man these days?Do you think sometimes they also just talk to them for validation and as a way to pass the time? In my experience it seems this has been why men on OLD are interested in me. They never want to meet in person. Obviously I’m not looking for hookups, but I don’t state this in my profiles, so I assume they don’t want a relationship or a hookup with me. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 19/04/21 05:08 AM |
| 5 | how to not be upset that no one wants meI’m 24 and in the same situation. I’ve never held hands, kissed, or had any sexual contact with people. I’ve never been in a relationship. I don’t have any advice to offer you because I often feel frustrated for the same reasons you cite, but at least you’re not 24 and still in this situation. 20 isn’t that unusual to lack experience. | /r/askFDS | 19/04/21 04:35 AM |
| 9 | Sharing my life plan and rebellion against the Lifescript for women.Nature isn't a person (like you said); it has no intentions or desires or feelings. It will cut down males of any species just as easily as it cuts down women. To take your viewpoint would be to feel that the earth is against you because you were born female. That's not realistic and it doesn't serve you to believe that. I know that the earth isn’t a person, and I acknowledged that. However, I’m still angry that because I’m female I have to menstruate, I had to fight to get sterilized, and once … | /r/askFDS | 18/04/21 02:59 PM |
| 3 | Sharing my life plan and rebellion against the Lifescript for women.Thank you! 😊 | /r/askFDS | 18/04/21 02:31 PM |
| 8 | Looking for a particular post about being childfreeI’m childfree, and I personally see it as the best route to freedom, peace, and health. I’ve been called selfish for not wanting to have kids, but I think that slander is just proof that having is, indeed, a gargantuan self-sacrifice. I would so much rather take care of myself and give myself everything I possibly can. Before I woke up to what parenting, and particularly motherhood, is really like I thought I would have kids because “that’s just what you do.” Thankfully I became aware before mak… | /r/askFDS | 17/04/21 11:40 AM |
| 2 | Rate/critique my safety strategy?I actually did include this in my list :) But thank you. | /r/askFDS | 06/04/21 03:28 PM |
| 5 | How to not catch feelings for men and protect your heartI needed to see this. I always take it personally when men don't want a second date with me, or a date with me at all. Me not getting physical at lightning speed is probably a factor in their waning interest, but I always think, "It must be because I'm so ugly." This is true even while I've witnessed myself having conversations with men who want to go on a date, and them doing a complete 180 and losing interest when I say I'm social distancing (i.e. we're not gonna be making out on the first dat… | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 06/04/21 08:33 AM |
| 1 | Questions about dating apps reverse-image searchingThanks for you input 🙏. If I take down my dating app photos/replace them with unique ones, do you think it’s reasonably safe to keep the ones that I’d had on my dating apps on my social media? Or do you think I should replace the ones on my social media as well, since it’s possible someone from a dating app could have already found my social media with them? Notably, I haven’t been contacted by any weird people or had any internet stalkers yet. | /r/askFDS | 31/03/21 11:55 PM |
| 5 | How to navigate social situations/dates when I abstain from alcohol consumption?I see. Makes sense. Do bars offer drinks other than alcohol and soda/sugar-filled beverages? Not that I plan to go on any drink dates, but if I ever find myself at a restaurant with a bar I'd like to know. (I've actually never sat at a bar). | /r/askFDS | 31/03/21 03:58 AM |
| 32 | Let’s talk about sexYeah it makes no sense, especially considering the volume of men who complain about how hard it is to get laid. Then, when they finally do, they’re completely nonplussed by the woman’s body and only care about her vagina? | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/03/21 10:45 AM |
| 88 | Let’s talk about sexFive min of nipple grabbing isn’t going to make me turned on. I’m very sexually inexperienced so forgive my lack of insight. I hear this a lot, that men like to skip or half-ass foreplay. What I don’t get is why. I thought heterosexual men were attracted to women’s breasts. I thought they went to great lengths and spent lots of money to look at naked women. Why then do I hear so much about how they half-ass foreplay? I thought any libidinous heterosexual man would want to touch women. | /r/FemaleDatingStrategy | 30/03/21 09:05 AM |
| 11 | Men talk for weeks..no dateLamo it’s this kind of thing that makes me have zero sympathy for men on mainstream dating subs who complain about how hard it is to get a girlfriend or get a date with a woman. Like wtf, if you’re anything like the guys I meet on OLD you’re a complete clown and sabotage your own self. Idk. How can men simultaneously be such hapless victims and also such self-sabotaging clowns? | /r/askFDS | 29/03/21 09:18 PM |
| 14 | Men talk for weeks..no dateI seriously don’t understand that. I only get endorphins when a guy I find attractive swipes on me or messages me. I can’t imagine getting a high off of getting responses from just anyone on a dating app - it would be an enormous waste of time and mental real estate. | /r/askFDS | 29/03/21 01:46 PM |
| 8 | An Alternative to FDSSo many men would just lie so they can keep having NSA sex. Edit: Also, it’s a risk to a woman’s life and health to have sex with a man she barely knows. Vetting isn’t just about determining if a man really wants a relationship. It’s about making sure he’s not a rapist, murderer, or sex trafficker. And that he will keep his word in keeping protection on to prevent STDs. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 29/03/21 01:39 PM |
| 19 | Men talk for weeks..no dateWhat OP is describing happens to me all the time. It’s so discouraging that no one is into me enough to ask me out - a real blow to my self-esteem 😕. Granted, this has all been through OLD. I just don’t get why they match and bother texting, sending pictures from their daily lives, etc if they’re not into me. 🤨 | /r/askFDS | 29/03/21 01:31 PM |
| 1 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?So what do these FDS women bring to the table? Like I said, with FDS it’s not about chasing men. I don’t think many women following FDS would sit down at a metaphorical table with a man who got their attention and basically said “Let’s negotiate this business deal.” With FDS, there is no sitting down at the “table” to hash out the deal. It’s not a business transaction. I can’t imagine going on a date with a guy who asked me out just to be asked what I bring to the table. If it makes it any clear… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 12:50 PM |
| 0 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?What do these FDS women bring to the table? Women who follow FDS don’t chase men, so that question isn’t applicable. If you don’t like FDS type women, don’t date them. | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 11:27 AM |
| 2 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?I can speak more for FDS than TRP. FDS members believe that most men are “low value men.” This basically means that they don’t court women, they don’t show much affection, they go Dutch on dates, they only want sex, they don’t help out with the kids enough if/when the couple has them, and/or they don’t do chores or take care of themselves. A “high value man” according to FDS is a provider (not necessarily rich) who makes a woman’s burdens lighter rather than heavier. FDS members resent sexist, v… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 03:25 AM |
| 2 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?Well I’m not an official spokesperson, but I agree with what another commenter said about how much of it instructs you on how to filter people OUT and protect your peace of mind. They advocate against chasing men, so I imagine if it was too focused on how to get a man it would essentially be a “how to chase and catch men” sub. Many women on FDS, including myself, find that when we chase men we end up dissatisfied even if we “catch” them. Edit: I think, fundamentally, it present a paradigm shift … | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 02:36 AM |
| 1 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?No, I don’t think exercising is a foundation of FDS. I think self care in general is, though, and that includes exercise. Most FDS posts I see have to do with analyzing and protecting oneself from patriarchy, though. I’m new to FDS and I hesitate to speak on that particular point, but personally I think that if you want a partner who exercises, it’s fair to say you should exercise, yourself. I think FDS tries to communicate to women that they are inherently worthy and deserve to feel satisfied i… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 02:10 AM |
| 5 | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?I’ve seen a few things in FDS that I’d regard as “toxic,” but by and large it’s anger is a backlash to patriarchy and male entitlement. From what I’ve seen of redpill stuff, my opinion is that it is fundamentally toxic in a way that FDS isn’t. FDS advocates for bettering yourself, but it’s for your own well-being, health, and quality of life rather than to measure up to some standard, appeal to men, or get approval from society. That’s not an accurate understanding of what FDS advocates for. No,… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 24/03/21 01:06 AM |
| – | Isn’t the mere existence of TRP and FDS proof that they are effective and ineffective (respectively speaking)?As a woman who has found FDS useful, my understanding is that it’s not simply about landing a HVM. It’s about women looking out for themselves, protecting themselves, and living as satisfied life as a whole. This is especially important in a world where women continue to be dehumanized and oppressed. Even if I never find a HVM, at least I will be living the best life I’m capable of and avoiding men who will bring me down or interfere with my pursuit of happiness. TRP is still about chasing women… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 23/03/21 10:56 PM |
| 2 | What do men have to gain by putting effort and resources into a woman rather than himself?As a woman, I would be more interested in #2 with the exception of him putting others’ happiness above his own and him wanting kids (I don’t want my own). Ideally I want a partner who strikes a balance and prioritizes both his happiness and others’ happiness. I frequently come across the idea in redpill men’s circles that women are obsessed with men who don’t invest anything in them or barely invest in them. I think those who subscribe to this belief are deluded or attract women with childhood w… | /r/PurplePillDebate | 22/03/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Need to vent about male lack of courtesy/social intelligenceDisclaimer: I don't recommend OkCupid Aren't the guys on dating apps the same guys you meet IRL? I've read many opinions on FDS that it doesn't make a difference whether you find a guy on a dating app or IRL because the pool of men is the same. | /r/askFDS | 18/03/21 12:24 AM |
| 1 | Need to vent about male lack of courtesy/social intelligenceI get that. But other people’s voices are just echoing in my brain, saying “If you don’t show you’re interested he will think you’re not interested and move on” or “relationships are a two-way street.” All of the advice makes intellectual sense, but at the end of the day I always feel burned out and spent when I make the level of effort that society in general thinks it’s appropriate to make. Just to put my inner back-and-forth to rest, I have to say that a car isn’t expected to respond and show… | /r/askFDS | 17/03/21 02:48 AM |
| 4 | Need to vent about male lack of courtesy/social intelligenceThe thing that haunts me is the thought "What if he just doesn't know it's most efficient and courteous to introduce himself and let me know what he's about/what he's looking for?" "What if the reason he doesn't ask for a phone call is that people just don't do phone calls nowadays?" It's out of my giving them the benefit of the doubt that I keep coming back to dating apps/online dating. Do they not ask for my number/a phone call because they're millennials and Gen-Zers who just don't think alon… | /r/askFDS | 16/03/21 10:26 PM |
| 1 | Venting: I really want to experience a relationship with a HVM but I feel really discouragedHey! Thanks for your response. And thank you for saying I have objective value and that I'm worth more than the men I meet seem to think I am. I hope that's true, and appreciate that. Adding a man to your life will not magically fix any of your problems and a man who isn’t settled in who he is and how he treats you will, guaranteed, exponentially multiply your problems and hold you back. I understand this; however, I don't want to welcome a man into my life if he isn't adding anything of value t… | /r/askFDS | 14/03/21 08:22 AM |
| 2 | Where can I find people (outside of FDS and preferably IRL) to learn from and discuss dating/relationships with?Maybe we should collectively do something like the CF4CF dating sub but for FDS women looking for friends/community IRL. 🙂 Edit: I think it would be really cool to learn from other people’s experiences in real-time and just have group discussions about dating and relationships. Or just friendship with women who commit to not pandering to men. | /r/askFDS | 10/03/21 12:03 AM |
| 1 | Where can I find people (outside of FDS and preferably IRL) to learn from and discuss dating/relationships with?Thanks for the ideas. 😊The livestreams sound like a good idea, although I might use the livestreams of another Level Up YouTuber (maybe the Universe Guru). While my desires are aligned with what SheRa teaches in terms of not going 50/50, not being a forever girlfriend, being provided for, etc, I do believe in “love” and I want to be honest, trusting, and direct with a man I’m in a relationship with as opposed to gold digging or game playing. Also, while I like wearing pretty dresses, blouses, an… | /r/askFDS | 09/03/21 09:31 PM |
| 5 | I agree that trying to sell yourself on dating apps is degradingUgh yes, I’ve definitely been there done that with the negging. 🤦♀️ | /r/askFDS | 28/02/21 05:04 AM |
| 8 | I agree that trying to sell yourself on dating apps is degradingIs it really fear or just lack of drive? Lol. I want to be sympathetic but based on my OLD experiences I’m inclined to think they just don’t want to make the effort or want us to pursue them. | /r/askFDS | 28/02/21 05:02 AM |
| 3 | I agree that trying to sell yourself on dating apps is degradingThanks lol, I think I’m gonna implement many of those unmatch criteria. What are some of your other ones, if you don’t mind my asking? | /r/askFDS | 28/02/21 04:57 AM |
| 2 | Where can one find men like the ones described in this post?Soooo many guys on dating apps suggest coffee and drink dates. It’s hard for me not to try to empathize and assume maybe they’re just don’t have the money for anything more. But the idea that they do have the money and just don’t value women enough makes me outraged. | /r/askFDS | 25/02/21 02:24 AM |
| 3 | Exhausted and burned out from dating>After i asked him out for the third time to go kayaking with my roommates he finally admitted that he wants to be my fuckbuddy but doesn't want to be around otherwise. This is what I'm so afraid of - wasting my time with guys who think they can convert a potential platonic friendship to a f*ckbuddy kind of thing. I'm very inexperienced with dating. I really want to think the men who are interested in me and "open" to something romantic are really just innocently seeking friendship and connectin… | /r/askFDS | 24/02/21 09:00 PM |
| 1 | Exhausted and burned out from datingWhat kinds of things on a guy’s profile clue you in to the fact that he’s LV? | /r/askFDS | 24/02/21 06:17 PM |
| 13 | Exhausted and burned out from datingThe most frustrating thing is that I have to make small talk with them, despite not knowing if A) they're looking for a relationship or B) if they're going to ask and pay for a date. 95% of the guys who reach out to me seem to expect me to carry the conversation or never ask me out. I'd kind of like to include a disclaimer on my profile along the lines of "Serious inquiries only, please. I'm looking for a relationship, and I only text to coordinate phone calls and dates. I'm not a big fan of tex… | /r/askFDS | 24/02/21 08:14 AM |
| 1 | Do you think this guy is leading me on and really just wants a FWB?Do you all think I should tell men I’m waiting til marriage? 😂 I’ve genuinely been contemplating it because there’s just no way I’m going to be that physically vulnerable with someone unless I’m sure they wouldn’t hurt a hair on my head. And to allay my concerns about STDs I require sexual exclusivity. | /r/askFDS | 22/02/21 04:33 AM |
| 5 | Do you think this guy is leading me on and really just wants a FWB?That’s a good idea. I watched MJ Harris’ video on questions to ask on a first date https://youtu.be/A0T4m7KrkpE and really wanted to use some of his suggestions. In the moment though, I just felt like asking them would be cause the guy I was with to judge, criticize, and turn against me. His reluctance to elaborate on what he was looking for was part of why I felt this way. It’s probably an indication that he just wants a friend he can have sex with with no strings attached. I want to be able to… | /r/askFDS | 22/02/21 04:11 AM |
| 1 | Advice on how to explore my sexuality on my own? (24F virgin)Thank you all for your suggestions :) | /r/askFDS | 22/02/21 03:05 AM |
| 5 | Do you think this guy is leading me on and really just wants a FWB?I only did a park date because of the pandemic. Being outdoors when socializing with people is less risky. | /r/askFDS | 21/02/21 06:00 PM |
| 5 | Do you think this guy is leading me on and really just wants a FWB?I don’t think I’m rushing into a relationship. I don’t want to rush things with him anymore than he wants to rush things with me. I barely know him. I’m definitely not expecting or wishing for him to commit to be my BF on the second date; I just don’t want to waste my time with him if all he’d ever consider is being fwb with me. I’ll try stipulating that fwb/casual sex is off the table for me, but some guys think they can change my mind later. | /r/askFDS | 21/02/21 05:59 PM |
| 3 | Hesitant to get involved with men, but anxious about dying a virginThanks for you comments everyone. I’m glad I can vent about this stuff here. | /r/askFDS | 16/02/21 01:36 AM |
| 11 | At what point do you take a conversation from a dating app to another platform?Good idea. I gravitate toward doing Zoom ASAP anyways because I don’t want to waste my time messaging back and forth with someone for days if they aren’t serious. | /r/askFDS | 02/02/21 12:28 AM |
| 24 | "Dating should be a stress-free experience"?Ugh, yes. The feminist in me wanted to believe taking the lead with men couldn’t possibly backfire, but it seems to be self-sabotaging. It seems they hide that they would have had sex with you all along, all the while lazily watching you try to prove your worth to them. Perhaps there’s a place for showing a guy that I’m intelligent, thoughtful, and a deep thinker (my best attributes IMO), but it’s already a red flag to me when I realize a guy has allowed me to run in circles trying to make thing… | /r/askFDS | 31/01/21 07:54 AM |
| 5 | Need advice on guys who are “infinite texters” (update to a previous post)Just to confirm, why “block and delete”? He’s not harassing me or anything. Why not just ignore of he does text again and in the unlikely event that he does harass, then block and delete? | /r/askFDS | 29/01/21 04:51 PM |
| 2 | Should I move on or give him a little longer to take the lead?He actually did offer to do a video call at the end of this week after mentioning his discomfort with phone/video calls. That was nice. But I'm wondering if I'd been some other girl who he perhaps liked more, he would have gotten over his nerves and brought it up himself because it was that important to him. I don't like feeling like I'm twisting his arm... I'm wondering if it's just an excuse to string me along and pass the time/get attention from me with texting, because I can't imagine not wa… | /r/askFDS | 25/01/21 07:40 AM |
| 2 | Should I move on or give him a little longer to take the lead?So today he said that phone and video calls kind of freak him out. It was a bit of a turn off to me since I’m 7 years younger and I can do it - despite being shy myself. Do you consider that a red flag? | /r/askFDS | 25/01/21 03:43 AM |
| 1 | How to avoid being used by a guy while he prepares to date a woman he desires more?I actually always plan to have my own career. I’m pursuing a professional career right now. By “a provider partner” I just meant a partner who I wouldn’t be going 50/50 with on expenses. | /r/askFDS | 25/01/21 02:18 AM |
| 4 | Should I move on or give him a little longer to take the lead?Uggh! Then why does he keep the conversation going over text? I mean, it doesn’t make sense to me because I know from personal experience how texting engenders a false sense of intimacy - to me it seems fruitless and like a waste of time. All I can think is that he’s either like a child in that he genuinely doesn’t understand this/hasn’t experienced it like I have, or he has no intentions of taking things further. I hate texting. 😐 | /r/askFDS | 24/01/21 07:40 PM |
| 20 | Should I move on or give him a little longer to take the lead?Good idea! I’ll try that; I actually have a good way to seamlessly incorporate that in the conversation. And you’re so right. I don’t want someone who prefers hiding behind a phone. | /r/askFDS | 24/01/21 01:26 AM |
| 11 | Should I move on or give him a little longer to take the lead?You’re probably right, but it’s so confusing. I left him on read just now - not passive aggressively, but just because I wanted to read his message and didn’t have the energy to reply. He then double texted. He’s 31... is he just a little naive for his age, and doesn’t get that (as I understand it at least) OLD etiquette is to keep the texting to a minimum and get to know the person in-person as much as possible? I know with covid the closest thing to that is video calling. I don’t want to waste… | /r/askFDS | 24/01/21 12:11 AM |
| 6 | How to avoid being used by a guy while he prepares to date a woman he desires more?I see. I mean, I always want to have my own career and source of income for my own stability, but if I had a partner that could and wanted to provide for me, that would be ideal. Do you think wanting a provider partner is as justifiable for a woman who is childfree? I know SheRa is a mother and talks a lot about how part of the importance of finding a financially stable partner is being able to secure a good life for your future children. I know I don't want to be a mother. However, I would stil… | /r/askFDS | 22/01/21 09:14 PM |
| 36 | Why do we seem to take rejection more personally than men?You have a point there. However, it seems that men’s reaction to rejection is anger and frustration while for women, it’s shame. It seems like men think “I didn’t get what I wanted, and I’m angry about that,” and women tend to think, “He doesn’t like me, so I must be disgusting.” | /r/askFDS | 21/01/21 12:54 PM |
| 2 | Worried about letting a guy pay on dates because I don't want him to think I owe him - need adviceHuh, ok. I imagine a LOT of guys would be annoyed if I didn’t even accept a ride from them after 2 months. Guess that’s just part of the filtering process. What do you think about other stuff, like revealing my personal phone number, adding them on Instagram or Facebook, or revealing my home address? Regarding phone numbers, currently I only give interested people a Google voice number or Snapchat. I honestly can’t imagine wanting personally to add them on social media since I barely post, but m… | /r/askFDS | 18/01/21 11:40 PM |
| 7 | Worried about letting a guy pay on dates because I don't want him to think I owe him - need adviceYikes! I’m sorry that happened; I’m glad he didn’t succeed in raping you. At what point is it generally safe to be alone with someone you’re dating? Like how much time do you have to have known each other, how many dates do you have to have been on, etc.? How do you know you’re seeing the real them, and not a facade intended to trick you into trusting them? | /r/askFDS | 18/01/21 11:14 PM |
| 9 | Worried about letting a guy pay on dates because I don't want him to think I owe him - need adviceI think I have. Barring any red flags, at what point is it generally safe to be alone with someone I’m dating? | /r/askFDS | 18/01/21 10:54 PM |
| 6 | Worried about letting a guy pay on dates because I don't want him to think I owe him - need adviceOk, and on the safety issue, I guess it’s best to just keep dates in crowded public places and have my own ride until I can be sure of his true colors? | /r/askFDS | 18/01/21 10:51 PM |
| 7 | How to get guys to pursue me?You have a point there. I realize that depending on their validation puts me at risk of being used. | /r/askFDS | 18/01/21 06:12 PM |
| 4 | Will I ever find a HVM as a childfree woman?You made a health decision that is like an insurance policy against an unwelcome health outcome (pregnancy) and I imagine it feels like a relief. Absolutely. I definitely feel more at ease knowing I'll never have to deal with pregnancy, and knowing that I have that control over my body. :) | /r/askFDS | 16/01/21 06:11 AM |
| 2 | Will I ever find a HVM as a childfree woman?I’m a regular on the CF sub, but I’ll try with the cf4cf one. :) How do you get to know someone who’s not local? I worry I wouldn’t be able to really get a sense of someone and decide if we’re a good match until meeting them in person. | /r/askFDS | 16/01/21 03:20 AM |
| 3 | Will I ever find a HVM as a childfree woman?Ah ok. Well the path I’m on right now in terms of school/career leads to a median income (according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics) of 61K/year. But it’s something I’m interested in, and other majors don’t interest me as much. I may go to grad school for something else, though, and that would lead to a higher paying job. Is there a certain income associated with a high value woman? | /r/askFDS | 16/01/21 03:01 AM |
| 3 | Will I ever find a HVM as a childfree woman?True, that seems logical. Do you use dating apps or anything to expand you dating pool in hopes of finding a childfree HVM? What do you think HVM look for in women in they’re childfree and childbearing abilities don’t matter to them? | /r/askFDS | 16/01/21 02:34 AM |
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