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The Rise of Gen Z Celibacy (PATREON EXCLUSIVE)

SnarkSticks

July 1, 2022
559 upvotes
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A lot of women who are disillusioned with hookups are deciding to go celibate/WGTOW in their 20s. The Media is starting to notice.

https://www.huckmag.com/perspectives/why-young-women-are-turning-to-celibacy/

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Title The Rise of Gen Z Celibacy (PATREON EXCLUSIVE)
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SnarkSticks

Upvotes 559
Comments 154
Date July 1, 2022 9:25 PM UTC
(4 years ago)
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Comments

[–]candyred1 138 points139 points140 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I have C-PTSD from years of abuse and betrayal from men who claimed to LOVE me. No peen is worth that. I wasted so many years. I wish I could get them back.

[–]BashRunesFDS Apprentice 82 points83 points84 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I've been with multiple men who were far more abusive than anything your average man says his worst relationship was. They could never begin to understand.

[–]projecttaku1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Oi, don't downplay men who've been abused. Its not cool to victim blame.

[–]Holiday_Reception658 -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Love how when saying something like this gets downvoted. This subreddit is just a bunch of female incells.

[–]Beginning-Meal-41981 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I would understand if you had one man who was abusive but you've had multiple. Wouldn't you have learnt to avoid such men. Sometimes you have to look at yourself and self reflect. Look I am not undermining the fact that those men were abusive I am just saying that you could've done something to avoid it unless there are factors I do not know of.

[+]tainteddaze -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then why did you choose those men and continue to choose those men. Don't act like it wasn't your choices that put you there. Every choice you make is yours. No one is forcing you into them. If they are then remove yourself from that place. There is a huge world you can escape too. Stop pretending like you didn't make these choices.

[–]drunkmoonfarmerFDS Newbie 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm a bisexual woman who avoided dating men until my twenties, and have now gone back to exclusively dating women. I badly wish I'd never dated men at all. I've been lucky enough to have a couple genuine HVM in my life, but overall the trauma and damage and the sheer toll the LVM have taken on me have outweighed the good.

[–]tainteddaze1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

sounds like to me, you don't respect yourself at all and blame others for your problems in life. Men aren't the reason you made those choices. You made those choices for pleasure. You aren't seeking happiness. You are seeking pleasure. But if that all you want from life. Then I see why you having problems.

[–]drunkmoonfarmerFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol, so the two men I dated pretending to care about me and wanting the same things I wanted before revealing themselves as an abusive sack of shit and a lying serial cheater is somehow my fault for seeking "pleasure"? The only lack of self-respect I showed was giving men a chance in the first place. Go cry on your MRA forums.

[+]tainteddaze -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, because you picked them. You make your own choices. You didn't have to get with these men at all. You could of tested them more couldn't you of. You think if you didn't give them any for 1 year. That they would of pretended this long? For what reason would they do this. You could easily see the signs that they were shady.

So you clearly picked pleasure. Maybe there was some extra reason also. Loneliness, you thought they made you feel good about yourself, many other reason. But in the end it is your choice. You choose the men that were in your life.

You can't deny this fact. No matter how much you dislike those guys now. Claiming all men are like them and you need to never be with anyone again because of them. Who do you think really gained anything. You? Are you building yourself better now? From this point of view you still stuck on the people that hurt you.

A lot of people did horrible things to me. You think I care about it. I didn't come to a channel to project my anger at you or anyone. But you are going into a movement like wgtow with anger. If you want to go into wgtow to better yourself and leave a culture like hook ups behind to hold you own values to heart.

Then great, I have nothing to state than, do what is good for you and surround yourself with people of values that you respect. If you going into this movement to get back at men somehow. No man cares and no man will ever care. You aren't winning anything by doing this. Your only hurting yourself.

You stating the way you like to have partners how you bouncing between them. How you had HVM but they weren't good enough and were also trash, because of LVM. I mean how many partners do you need before you actually bond with others?

Like I said you need to respect yourself first. Even the women you get with won't respect you the way you are now. Women aren't any kinder than men are......................................

[–]NewYorkerWhiteMocha 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thissss.

[–]notallowed2havepizzaFDS Newbie 129 points130 points131 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I even noticed this long before this article. The hint is that there aren’t a lot of women on the dating apps. Seems like women are fed up with men pushing situationships and low effort dates onto them. I’m glad that it’s widespreading.

[–]Wonderful_Row8519 580 points581 points582 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

I think this will become MUCH more common given the recent overturning of Roe. Who wants to risk an unwanted pregnancy or being persecuted seeking an abortion when you can just stick to a vibrator?

[–][deleted] 264 points265 points266 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Not only that, but a vibrator won’t stalk you or murder you.

[–]Silent_Albatross_294 135 points136 points137 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m gen X and have been celibate for the last 4 years for this exact reason and their inability to grasp the concept of the word No

[–]MarjieJ98354 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And most times are a better lay.

[–]GuitarCoBrain1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Not only that, the vibrator will give you emotional love and support that is totally equal to that of another human being. It can double up as a toy for all your cats!

[–]Special_File_1012 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I just turned 20 and I’m celibate for the foreseeable future. Got roped into a situationship when I was abundantly clear about what I wanted from th

You do know most men aren't capable of feeling emotional love or support for women right?

[–]Kidney_Snatcher -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Uh, husband to an amazing wife, and father of two daughters here. They are the light of my life and I cannot fathom any reality where I do not have emotional love and support for them. How is this even a rational thought?

[–]projecttaku -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd beg to differ.

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Now that's exaggerated, murder rates are extremely low in the western world for both genders

[–]avalon9861 points 4 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Also, vibrators work on electricity, so it can kill. (Tech always has it's ups and downs)

[–]MrsClaireUnderwood 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know you can get shocked by electricity and not die, right? It's the amount that matters and I'm going to reveal a secret to you: 3 AA batteries aren't going to do it.

[–]BashRunesFDS Apprentice 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surely you're being deliberately obtuse.

[–]tac0slut 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bold of you to assume these shitsocks won't try to ban vibrators, too.

[–]MarjieJ98354 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Only if we can ban blow up dolls!!

[–]Then-Condition-1881 points 4 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s about time that y’all close your legs

[–]Wonderful_Row8519 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And way past the time for y’all to shut your mouths...

[–]HereToMessAroundFDS Newbie 242 points243 points244 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

I chose to be and remain single 7 years ago and I have been so stress free. I sleep better, my stomach problems (that no doctor could help me with) solved themselves and I don't have frequent headaches anymore. Relationships just aren't for me :)

[–]TheMostNormalGuy123 52 points53 points54 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Do you ever feel lonely? I think relationships aren't for me either due to how bad I am with other people, but I do wish I could just have someone there for me sometimes.

[–]HereToMessAroundFDS Newbie 213 points214 points215 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not at all actually. I am close to my parents and brother, I have great friends and coworkers I get along well with. Actually, the loneliest moments in my life were when I was in a relationship. When you want the person sitting next to you to care, but they just don't... that makes me feel more lonely than anything else.

I feel content with myself and feel comfortable doing things alone or with friends/family :)

[–]TheMostNormalGuy123 41 points42 points43 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm glad your life is going so well! Good for you ma'am. Thank you for the response.

[–]HereToMessAroundFDS Newbie 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had to learn to be more confident with myself. And I had to find out what makes me happy and unhappy. It took me a long time. I hope you can find what works for you as well.

[–]tainteddaze -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What makes you think they didn't care. A lot of the times it is this that pulls you away. You start to think, o they don't care, o this o that. You clearly don't understand people at all if this is the case.

People exist in different universes in general. It is the forming of bonds that bring others around. You should of looked for men that have values like yours. But most women get trapped in the I am lonely and don't want to be alone. You will always be alone doing this.

[–]kingcrowntown 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But you are bad with people so who can bear you? Scrotes mad!

[–]NewYorkerWhiteMocha 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men suck the lifeeee out of you! That’s why.

[–]Beginning-Meal-4198 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depends on who though

[–]urukgay2022 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Same sis

[–]projecttaku 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

cool. If being single is your thing and what makes you happy, keep doing it, no matter if anyone tells you otherwise.

[–]IamWhatRemains2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure ya did

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes, And I suppose the men could say the same

[–]HereToMessAroundFDS Newbie 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You've been coming back to this thread for hours on end now to try and insult us. Are we THAT important to you?

[+]Ancient_Ad_8422 -29 points-28 points-27 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I've been abused by incels before both male and female, so I despise them

[–]HereToMessAroundFDS Newbie 30 points31 points32 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am not an incel, since I have had a few serious relationships. Now I choose voluntarily to stay single because it is better for me. I am not even hurting anyone.

For your own good, if you have been hurt by certain types of people, stay away from them. You will not gain anything by trying to find them online. Take care of yourself and I hope you will get a healthier mindset.

[–]projecttaku 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

mate, look, generally, I would agreed that their are alot of incels here, but this kind lady hasn't proven that she is. She seems to be having a happy, single life , which shouldn't be despised.

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I've been called a "slut" my a mod this sub for "not being selective enough on men" and "for letting men take advantage of me"

[–]tainteddaze -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

good, you finally realized that your choices in people were poor and instead of using your body to form bonds with others. You know might use your head. But you clearly are so stubborn that it won't happen. You be back soon, claiming I need help where are men at when the time comes.

Form bonds outside of intercourse and you will be happier. People seek pleasure too much instead of seeking a good life.

[–]Biracial_tooth_fairyFDS Newbie 601 points602 points603 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Good. Hookup culture is one of the worst things that society came up with. Zero benefit for women but all the consequences

[–][deleted] 213 points214 points215 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

If it benefitted women, it would be banned.

If you’ve read The Handmaid’s Tale, I think Jezebel’s represents hookup culture. “The women there get to feel free and empowered because they have access to drugs, alcohol, cute clothes, and can talk to any of the other girls about essentially anything they want. You would think these girls are privileged compared to the other ones living in Gilead, but they are just a product to be bought by the men who don’t want to face the consequences of the world they have created. They are allowed to be “free” because they are providing a service to men and are essentially walking/talking blow up dolls

[–]rperfection 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

oh my goodness. this is such a great take. I agree with you 100%! you make me want to go back and watch it even though i'm on s3 and it kind of went to crap after that.

[–]TheOld_Lickaroo2 132 points133 points134 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I lost all interest in sex outside of relationships after I couldn't get one to stick for two years...

[–]tainteddaze -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Women made this culture though......................... You control access to hookups. Men control access to relationships. If you allow a man to hookup with you on first few dates, is this not you allowing it. Or was this forced onto you??????? So you know what that implies and you just let them happen none stop.

[–]Biracial_tooth_fairyFDS Newbie 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Funny how I never mentioned my personal experiences, yet a random redditor assumes my personal experiences.

Typical reddit.

[–]tainteddaze -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You just mentioned your own experience. How do you know that there is zero benefit then if you have no experience in the culture??? Why even discuss it if you have no experience in the culture. O wait you just trying to hate like you are superior to others. Got it, You just pretending to act like you care but you really don't. Honestly you like the culture it gives you that hit of dopamine why you making a comment about your experiences, than trying to state you didn't. Funny. Good laugh for me I will say that. Continue onward in the same thing you've been doing. Not like things going to improve with that attitude you have.

[–]Skepticaltealeaf 311 points312 points313 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I just turned 20 and I’m celibate for the foreseeable future. Got roped into a situationship when I was abundantly clear about what I wanted from the start. The garbage sex + the disregard for my wants made it one of the worst experiences of my life. Couldn’t pay me to hookup ever again

[+]IamWhatRemains2 -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No fault of your own there lmao

[–][deleted] 166 points167 points168 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

This needs to become a much bigger thing. Not all women can afford to strike, but all women can restrict access to themselves.

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

And so could men, instead of punishing each others couldn't we work to understand each other better instead?

[–]LunamiLu 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Men don’t care what women think.

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I could say the same for my gender, but wheres the evidence?

[–]0rpha0 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you...seen the latest news about roe v wade? If thats not a hate crime against women i dont know what else is.

[–]LunamiLu 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Oh I dunno, maybe all the rape and murder and attempts to control women bodies? If the government tried to control men’s bodies the same way they would immediately veto it. But because they don’t care what women think or feel and want control they do it to us. I don’t know if you’re young or just naive but it will never be as simple as “trying to understand each other” when one side still wants control of everything and treats women like property or objects.

[–]Amanda_davilleFDS Newbie 283 points284 points285 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Celibate since 2018 and counting. These men don't deserve shit.

[–]Beginning-Meal-4198 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Check your friendzone

[–]projecttaku -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wow mate, chillax.

[+]IamWhatRemains2 -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t worry they don’t care

[–]Ancient_Ad_84221 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Witch men?

[–]chaosbreather 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Those are called warlocks.

[–]jenaemareFDS Newbie 208 points209 points210 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good. I'm almost 30 and I wish FDS was around 10 years ago.

I focused on the men in my life since I was 16. I helped my high school boyfriend get good grades at the expense of my own. Later, I didn't pursue a better college what was farther away because of my second boyfriend, because I didn't want to leave him. I literally focused on the wrong people between 16-24 and I'm very angry for it.

I hope FDS will save future generations of girls from these mistakes.

[–]thechadman27 369 points370 points371 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Feminism never should’ve encouraged promiscuity and hook up culture. There’s no upside for women in it and it’s quite de-powering

[–]99powerFDS Apprentice 79 points80 points81 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes. But in their defense, they were just rebelling against restriction and purity culture. I don’t think they realized then how bad the free love movement was gonna end up. Female sexuality has been so repressed we don’t even know ourselves anymore.

[–]cinnamonghostgirl 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ya and I think there's a term for this. When people are exposed to an extreme growing up they are more likely to rebel against that. Unfortunately I don't think this applies to women in the same way it does to men, because if you're a woman it doesn't matter which political side you are on, you still get the shit end of the stick.

I'm bad at explaining these things but look up hegelian dialectic, you might find it interesting.

[+]tainteddaze -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have the burden and blessing of having children. Men have the burden and blessing of not baring children. They are 2 different burdens, but neither one is lesser.

To claim growing up is the issue isn't the case. What is growing up than? Lets ask this question. Taking care of a child? Not leaving a woman that has a child that is yours? What about when the child isn't that males and she is trying to get him to raise it? Is this being not grown up?

Why women need to hold values. Stop telling young women, men are trash and blah blah. Start telling them to hold values. Tell them hook up culture will not help you. Stop sleeping around with lots of people. Get with people that have values to yours. I am not talking about your likes and things you do. I am talking about things that make you you. Your likes can change. You core will always be. Find others that have cores similar to you. Life is always changing, so stop holding people to crazy standards and just help others.

Don't be lazy, just because it is easy. Do what is hard. You will feel better doing the hard things in life, because you will have earned it.

[–]thechadman27 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Rebelled like an immature hormonal teenager without thinking of consequences, thats what they did. In the past, people were conservative and everyone was repressed. But the way feminism went about tackling the issue wasn’t right - it only lead to women being repressed in a different way.

[–]genevaparis 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

After sexual suppression, I think that a lot of liberal feminists think that any change is good change and just because they are catering to men from their own free will, it is empowering.

[–]tainteddaze -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

rebelling against what???? Men who took care of people and treated people kindly.... For people that have tons of women around them and treat them poorly. A few bad eggs is not a good reason to kill all your chickens. Why destroy what is there, when you could hold values and build.

Women know that intercourse leads to children. It is a fact. Why have it so easily with a lot of men. Knowing that the results will be a government needs to step in and make new horrible laws against men, to control the behavior of a culture women are helping build. It isn't just women that built the culture it was both. Men took advantage of the body freedom culture and women now get to suffer it. Why shotgun marriages used to be a thing. It was to protect those type of women from having to bare all the burdens themselves.

[–][deleted] 177 points178 points179 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I always ask myself "would men do this?" and the answer is almost always no... only women have been brainwashed into thinking nudity is empowering, but we're playing right into men's hands. This is exactly what they want, this is what they think we exist for.

[–]jrl2014 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Men would do it. But it wouldn't matter if they did.

The difference is that under patriarchy, women face the double bind. If they make either choice they lose. Prude or slut and they lose.

[–]Tiny-Butterscotch339 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Same can be said of most things in life, there will always be someone who has a strong opinion in both directions. Take your diet for example, some people will think you're evil for not being vegan, other people will think you're crazy for being vegan. Don't care about your health if you eat food, uptight if you eat healthy.

I know it's not the same thing but my point is you lose the moment you try to please everyone. Surround yourself with people who are understanding and supportive of your goals and lifestyle. At the end of the day, there is no correct way to live your life, as much as people try to convince you otherwise. Be the person you wanna be, not the person others want you to be.

[–]tainteddaze 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No there is things that are correct though. Why are they correct, because they allow you to live longer and be healthier. Saying there is no correct way in things is wrong.

You can't make a space ship fly if you do it the incorrect way. But there is no point to compete vs others. You are you, they are they. Stop trying to hold such high demands of other and stop worrying about the demands they have. Let them know that if you aren't good enough. You can go somewhere else. Someone will find you good enough.

Doesn't mean you can't improve. The only person you should compete against is yourself. You should strive to be better each day. Even if it is just getting out of bed and picking up the trash you been neglecting. It isn't correct to live in filth just because you decided to.

Science and nature are 2 sides of the same coin. To deny one is to deny truth. There also can always be a better way to something. But it is you to discover it and you to want to do it.

[–]Beginning-Meal-4198 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Although we are equal we are not the same just ask biology.

[–]tainteddaze -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets be honest here. Are men really what you would call beautiful also??? It isn't a patriarchy that decided that. It was attractions. Even women will claim, women are more beautiful. They have better singing voices. There is something about a mother that men and women deserve to have in their lives. Women want to be it, men want to be with it.

Why the world is the way it is. It is easier for women to attract men. Women know this. So now they assume that they will win in this culture due to it. But reality is you will lose. There is only so many of those beautiful mean. Only so many of those powerful ones.

You are a normal person, start looking for normal people with values that you have. Stop assuming men are out to get you. No one is out to get you. Only you can make a choice to who you end up with. If someone forces themselves on you. Then I say use your rights if you in America for ARMS to defend yourself. Even women need to fight for what they value. Women have done it in the past and helped build amazing things by fighting for values.

Women are the gates to new life. If you want that new life to go outward and produce a good world. It starts with you. Show them by your actions. Show them that you won't allow you values to be pushed down, because of emotions and pleasures.

No one is telling you not to find pleasure and have a good life. But you need understand that only you can decide if you lose. No one else decides if you succeeded or not.

Stop competing against others first off. Compete against yourself. Lastly stop demanding so much of others also. They are just like you. They are looking for answers and have had lives before you. Doesn't mean good or bad.

[–]IamWhatRemains2 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This thread has some of the most insane logic. You’re nuts

[–]StrawberryMoon3FDS Apprentice 50 points51 points52 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Very true

[–]WinterMagician22 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Facts. 💯

[–]LianaVinogradova 182 points183 points184 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I’m 20 and after finding a feminism when I was 15, I’m not planning to date, have relationship and sex with men at all, especially with strangers. I never had and never will. I have way better things to do with my life.
Plus, I’m from Eastern Europe, we dont have a hookup culture here, but we have epidemic of hiv and aids in my country and attempts to ban abortions, so its a definite NO

[–]darkenchantress44 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve noticed in Eastern European countries ( lived there and traveled in a couple of countries) there is almost no courtship or “dating” phase. After maybe 1-2 dates people want exclusivity, and there is like a 4-6 week time period of “relationship” and then it’s over. It’s very concerning from an FDS point of view because it doesn’t give women time to properly vet and learn the guy. I had the experience with two guys who tried to rush me into exclusivity and I didn’t know them well.

Of course, it didn’t end well for me.

[–]tainteddaze -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then show your values. If they trying to rush you. Then you know the type of people they are and looking for. You choose those people for your own reasons. Most likely what you were attracted to. Why a lot of people are tired of these games. If you talk about wanting a close relationship, why you dating around so much. You would wait til marriage and hold people to promises.

[–]LianaVinogradova 98 points99 points100 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

And I’m glad that I’m not the only one who thinks this way and that more women are waking up and choosing themselves, freedom, education and career, female friendship over men and dating

[–]tainteddaze -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hello, so do you believe in natural selection and evolution?? So you're telling me that natural selection is going to make you never produce lineage, because you don't look for values that you demand from a partner?

Without men you can't produce lineage, which if you believe in evolution all your doing is showing that evolution wants to remove you from life and not allow you to have lineage. So you have been deemed not good enough and will be removed?

If you go to a doctor, thanks to men for making the tech that can give you a child. Then aren't you doing what you just preached against also. Since you dislike men so much what if the child is a boy? You going to hate this boy for just being alive??

If the planet was nothing but women.......... Then what would you have left???? I just don't understand, make this make sense.

I honestly like to know why you care so much about not finding someone of equal values to your believes to build join families with and build a good life? Why is there only 1 way of doing things to you.

Either do hook ups or don't?? Isn't there something else. Why do you hate men so much. At the age of 15, you started hating men for what? Did they do horrible things to you? Just seems kind of odd that you have decided to only go after hatred.

You act like women are so great. There is horrible people of both sides. To act like only 1 sex is evil for no other reason, than a select group of them isn't very logical.

The reason, I don't want kids is simple. I don't want to raise kids in a world that makes them hate like you have. It would kill me knowing my child hates other so much. They will throw away so much for this hatred.

[–]IamWhatRemains2 -4 points-3 points-2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This isn’t feminism it’s bigotry

[–]LianaVinogradova 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

it’s bigotry

How, exactly?

[–]IamWhatRemains2 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

big·ot·ry /ˈbiɡətrē/

obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group. "the difficulties of combating

Replace men with any other group in your comment and you might understand. But victimhood is all the rage in this sub.

Plus I’m dating an Eastern European woman. Don’t lie lol

[–]tainteddaze -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That guy is right most of this is bigotry. 15 year olds stating they won't date men every because of feminism. They are throwing away so much, just because someone else told them something.

The problem is the values of the world today. Women and men are have low values. You accept this also. You most likely played the I don't want to be lonely card and gave up your values to do it.

Honestly the only thing I see is natural selection making your remove your lineage from the world for no reason other than some type of hatred you formed for abusive people you choose. Then you project that outward at others.

I am a man, men have hurt me also. So have women. You know what I've done about this. I grew up and decided that I won't let others control me. I will hold my values and if they don't meet them, they can get out of my way or I'll make them. Instead of removing everyone, I pick who is worthy.

Loneliness will not control my choices nor will hate.

[–]96nugget 184 points185 points186 points 4 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link

Gen z cusper/ Zillennial here! Most women ik in my friend group 22-26 are trying to reject the hookup culture of 2010s that was shoved down our throats. I always felt in my soul it was wrong but no one seemed to want to go against the narrative that being sexually liberated meant letting everyone Tom Dick and Harry near your magic conch. There’s no benefits to unattached sex that doesn’t even get you off and now comes with even greater risks. Ladies, we all know it we’re faking it half the time just to be discarded . I don’t agree with every point here in this subreddit, but this is a strategy I can stand behind and the younger girls coming up need to hear this to protect their mind body and spirit from the madness.

Edit: I HATE how YouTube and other online platforms are painting this community as femcels because I’ve avoided coming here for that main reason but from what I can see you guys have quality points that should be addressed in the general dating market and not written off. Since when was saving your body and time for someone who has your best interest propaganda?!

[–]BashRunesFDS Apprentice 74 points75 points76 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Right! How are we femcels? Many of us could have a man in our bed within the week if we wanted to, we're just sick of being treated like we're worthless and crazy 24/7.

[–]LilacUnicorn66 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

It's a false equivalency by pissy men. Femcels are angry because they can't get laid. FDS and WGTOW don't want just any dude. FDS are choosy about dudes, whereas WGTOW say no dudes, period. That's not femcel, LOL.

[–]BigCherrys1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly what the incels tell themselves

[–]LilacUnicorn66 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh? Okay, stay in school; keep learning how to read.

[–]tainteddaze1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

no wgtow is basically trying to be like mgtow. You literally took it from something men started. If women are improving themselves. Then guess what they are losing. The ability to have children. I would never suggest a women go down this path. To remove your ability to have that gift of motherhood is just horrible.

Clearly evolution and natural selection has decided that these women will never have lineage if this is the case. If they already have children, than they already won in that hook up culture as it is. So why they complaining.

Men will never be able to give birth. No matter what any gender people state.

[–]LilacUnicorn661 points 3 years ago [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

You're disgusting.

Motherhood physically and financially cripples women. Very few women enter motherhood would physical scars and impediments and the cost to their livelihoods and ability to care for themselves in old age are annihilated.

But yeah, Pickmeisha, please tell me how slavery and elder poverty are ... empowering.

[–]Zurflu1 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Not just "many" of us, and not just "within a week", literally ANY woman could have a man in her bed in like an hour or less lmao. Dick and all it's attached to is nearly worthless.

[–]projecttaku -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

nah mate, your overrating yourself.

[–]lvioletsnowFDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Indeed. "Femcels" and incels could not be more difference.

For one, women who are supposedly involuntarily celibate are not celibate because they can't get sex. They're celibate because they can't find the right partner. They're also not shooting up schools or bothering men minding their business on the streets because their pants were so tight they were 'asking for it'.

Spinster, thornback, and cat lady are the worst lifestyle insults they have for us but... is being less stressed, less burdened, and FNF surrounded by kittens really the worst fate? I think not.

[–]projecttaku -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

that's exactly the reason your called incels. You act so high and mighty and disregard men.

[–]tainteddaze 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Really? So you basically saying the same thing once again. You can use your body to get any man to sleep with you. But you can't seem to find one that has values similar to you?

Tell me what you value so much that no man is willing to assist you in it? I would like to here this. Men are also tired of the list of demands we need to meet or else we not worthy enough of you. Why do I have to be worthy of you in the first place and you of me. Why can't we just be 2 people that know we are not connected in the minds. We know we can't feel what the other is feeling.

To stress over things like this is pointless. You know more men in this world are virgins than women right? So this tells us one thing. Women are going after the same guys. If you dislike those men so much. Why you continue to go after them.

If me a man is so trash to you. Than why if I got with you, you would demand so much from me. I am not here to compete against you or for you. I am trying my best in life also. There is a lot of things I have to do. I can't also be there. Doesn't mean men don't try.

If the men you got with treat you as worthless. Then there is something that is the same thing every time. Which is you. You are also the main factor in your relationships. If you held your values to heart and stop allowing others to push theirs on you. You would be able to find a real partner. But demanding from others is not the same as having similar values.

There will always be a mess to clean up. Doesn't mean you need to treat others poorly because of it. Life is a esoteric adventure and you should find others that understand it. Not demand them to change to meet your values.

[–]lilmedusa_ 51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Fellow Zillenial here! I was always cautious of how hookup culture was advertised as such a freeing, mutually beneficial experience. I was swayed into trying it out in college (once) and that was enough for me. Having sex with a stranger is weird, awkward, and pointless if you're sexually incompatible with someone. I can't understand how so many have made a lifestyle of it.

[–]tainteddaze 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I just state this. Hold your values to heart and meet others that have values you hold. Don't let others push their values onto you.

[–]albus247 98 points99 points100 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's propaganda if it doesn't benefit patriarchy and women with internalized misogyny apparently

[–]tainteddaze 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

To give up on bringing life into the world, only because you feel that a hook up culture is bad, isn't a good answer to this.

How about you hold your own values to heart and demand them of your partner. Why it was called courting to begin with. You tested each other to see if you wanted to join families. Now yes there was different style of courting of power and such. But that is also the reason men held power. Women would have to carry children.

Without children there is no lineage, no future. To state you refuse to ever have children, because a culture you dislike. Than don't be part of the culture. You basically acting like all men are part of this culture.

Do you know that more men are virgins than women in today's world. So guess what. That means these women are getting with the same guys. They are giving up any values they have with the same guys over and over. A lot of women pass up these men. There is nothing wrong with these men. It just women are blind to them.

Really the problem I see you have. Is that the HVM that you thought was High Value. Turned out to not be that value and you put a lot into the relationship. Why marriage is a thing that is suppose to be a closed relationship.

Most people are ashamed to be virgin, but you know. Why be ashamed of what you choose. You choose it for a reason. Because it is what you value. Don't allow someone else to push their own values against yours. Hold what you believe in.

[–]96nugget 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Nope if I can't have Timothee Chalamets babies my bloodline ends with me. Period. If you're gonna come to this sub and troll I can certainly do so too.

[–]tainteddaze 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't feel like you read anything at all...... So ok, continue to get busted out. We know the real truth. You just pretending to be this, you really aren't. Also idk who that person is. Why you care so much about someone that you will never be with? If that is what wgtow is. Than that is sad. You clearly aren't about building a better you. If your friends are the same way as you. Then you will all be used the way you claim you don't want, but we really know you want.

[–]96nugget 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm not wgtow, I don't even agree with everything on this sub. Men aren't built like they were generations ago, no manners, class, and poise and severely porn addicted. I pointed out how women adopting this promiscuous liberation does nothing for women but give men more of a reason not to take us seriousy when they know a million chicks are willing to spread their legs for bare minimum treatment. Id be scared to bring a child into his day and age of regressive ideologies especially a daughter.

I read it but it's alot of malarkey when you compare your other rude comments. No bodies used or whatever youre trying to imply like stfu

[–]gabriellitaFDS Newbie 134 points135 points136 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I have been celibate for a little over a year and a half now and it has been so good for me.

[+]Ancient_Ad_8422 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Glad to hear

[–]genevaparis 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why were you downvoted?

[–]rperfection 143 points144 points145 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

raises hand never had it. Never saw someone that deserved it

[–]turbulentchicken 45 points46 points47 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m gen z as well & have also never had it. Standards have been super high since HS. Plenty of chances to have a BF (or just hookup, but any woman pretty much can), yet have turned them all down bc something deep within me has always warned me that these men aint shit. Every guy in high school gave me the ick, and now that I’m in my 20s I’ve still yet to meet a guy that deserved it. I mostly blame it on the town I live, barely any high value guys.

My friends have judged me and coworkers go into shock when they find out I’ve never had a bf, it’s both comical and annoying. Guys will ask me out and my friends don’t understand why I don’t go for it. There came to a point where I thought maybe something was wrong with me, bc I’ve never known someone with my similar standards. I put labels on myself like “maybe im asexual?” But finding FDS last year was the most validating moment of my life. And it taught me so much more than I thought I knew

[–]rperfection 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes! We should start a support group, lol. Yeah my standards have always been super high. And I saw enough of my friends doing dumb ish that I didn't feel the need to repeat their steps.

I hope this isn't too out there for this sub, but its become increasingly apparent to me how much smarter women are than men. There is like an objective difference. Even if only in emotional intelligence. For example, I see loads more self-sufficient women than I do men. By, like, a lot. And it just dries it right on up down there- so I double feel you on the asexual thing.

[–]turbulentchicken 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly— my friends have had awful college hookup experiences. Like just getting totally used aka pumped and dumped. They will be clearly hurt but try to brush it off like it’s not a big deal. Babes, it’s literal trauma.

And then seeing my friends in shitty relationships with extremely low value guys. They’re not even aware of how bad it is. One of my friends got cheated on and still stayed. The kicker: this same friend has tried to hook me up with guys bc she feels so bad for me being single. Excuse me? If anything, your relationship reminds me everyday why I’m grateful to be single. It’s actually offensive.

Some people will make their relationship EVERYTHING, and believe anyone single must be completely miserable. Which is ironic bc their relationship isn’t even going well.

And yes I agree, most guys my age lack emotional intelligence and are far from self sufficient. It’s not attractive at all.

[–]genevaparis 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t let anyone try to bully you for being a virgin. I think that some people regret giving their virginity to someone who didn’t deserve it and so they want more people to make the same mistake so that they can have company.

[–]lvioletsnowFDS Newbie 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't worry. There are plenty of older virgins. Most just don't admit it because it's 'embarrassing' but, really, no one's business.

I went through a phase where I was hyper self-conscious but, guess what? No one cares and no one knows unless you say so. Just carry on. Do what you feel (safely, if at all possible) or not. If it happens, then enjoy a safe, consensual experience. If not, well, most women I've heard from seem to either hate sex or the guy sucks at it so we apparently aren't missing much.

[–]Pizza-Mundane 86 points87 points88 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My 12 years old already know there is something wrong with men. Her evidence is her dad and how he's using her as an emotional dumpster.

[–]konkus_ofthe_bonkus 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hi, I just found this sub because of someone (male) sarcastically referring to it. This is the 2nd post I've read and I'm happy to have found it! I'm replying to you because your comment unlocked a memory. As a kid, maybe starting at age 9,I used to tell my mom that men were pointless in families. She always said that was a sad take, BUT, I now know she agreed with me but wasn't strong enough to act on it. We used to have long conversations where I would make my point - how many men are capable and do abandon their kids, how many men were responsible for sexual abuse and assault, how men could be dangerous and especially how I never wanted to have to depend on one. Now I'm in my 40s. I have been purposely single and celibate for 6 years and I've never been happier. In my 20s and 30s I experienced being a stripper (I thought it was empowering), I was doing the hook-up culture, online dating, and I escaped a physically abusive marriage. Now I see on Reddit lots of people put this sub down, but I don't know why? I'm so happy now, I've been in therapy and at this time I'm financially successful; I'm a mom, raising a healthy young man; I'm emotionally secure; I don't hate men, but I don't want one. Anyway, I love that your daughter sees the power of women. And thanks for reading.

[–]Nfcleast -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

“Men are pointless in families” “I see lots of people put this sub down, And I don’t know why?” lol you can’t make this stuff up

[–]projecttaku1 points 4 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Women can do the same thing, abandon their kids, sexual abuse and assault, and also be very dangerous.

[–]konkus_ofthe_bonkus 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't say? 🙄

[–]LowAd7418 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s how it started with me too. My dad ruined any delusion society tried to instill in me about men.

[–]katkonfessions 80 points81 points82 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Been on a dry spell after I had my daughter. Honestly I’m one and done, props to those who have like 5 children.

[–]veniphylFDS Newbie 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, no surprise at all. Let it die. I wish I had started sooner. I mean, have you seen men? 😂

[–]warinmymind94FDS Disciple 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I turned 28 and haven't had sex in about 2 years. I had been open to dating if a man that was actually a functioning adult and expressed some effort came along, but that hasn't been the case. I've been very happy with my vibrator though. I've only been on a handful of dates since finding fds about 2 years ago and honestly I've saved myself a lot of time and headache that would have been spent on lvm confusing me with low effort and games, when the reality is they just weren't interested enough in me.

Been leveling up since.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because nobody wants to deal with these porn addicted men who simp for porn stars/sex workers like they're the Madonna. I shit you not, a woman's highest virtue to these modern "males" (if you can call them that) is how many dicks she can take on camera. They can complain about women as much as they want but nothing gets lower than a moid and his slavish addiction to his sex drive.

[–]modestgrayFDS Newbie 84 points85 points86 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good for them tbh. If I was in their shoes I'd do the same

[–]Big-Paleontologist13FDS Newbie 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

SO much easier to listen to than the OK cupid episode! wtf was that episode? omg i almost threw my phone at the wall.

[–]MariaSmithxx 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been on this life since January now. Before the situationship it was 10 years lol he didn’t believe me either because he was religious and I held a longer title in monk land 😂

[–]ahavaaa_ 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Can someone please tell me how to access the handbook? I keep getting an error page.

[–]Mignonettefrance 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s here:

https://archive.org/details/fds-handbook-v-1.35/mode/1up?view=theater

[–]virginwhorehouse 61 points62 points63 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Abstinent or abstinence are the better terms not arising from judeo Christian patriarchal sexist bs

[–]ShiningWoman 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm a virgin and I couldn't be happier!

Certainly glad I don't have any horrible memories of being forced/coerced.

From what I hear, men are terrible at sex and all the consequences are on the woman.

I'd only have sex if I was married and or if a man had proven himself and devoted himself to me for years.

[–]LevelupmamaFDS Newbie[🍰] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Omg you’re back 🥹❤️❤️❤️

[–]Top-Hurry-7624 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think younger people choosing celibacy has more to do with the fact that hooking up and dating costs money and many of us are still trying to recover from the covid-19 recession and get jobs that pay enough to actually live and save up for even small luxuries like dental care lol. Plus lockdown has made it harder for people to get back to socialising outside of their existing social groups/friendships. For example, I find that fewer guys if none at all ever approach me at a bar or opening social setting to start a conversation or ask for my number anymore. There's also an increase in hustle culture, perhaps also accelerated by growing economic inequality/increased wealth gap that we saw developing globally since the pandemic. So people are prioritising building their wealth and improving themselves physically and mentally before prioritising intimacy on any level. Then there's the likelihood that younger people are becoming emotionally detached and anti-social because of internet dependency.

[–]Vrushalee 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point!

[–]99powerFDS Apprentice 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow, I had no idea there was a name for this.

[–]IWantYourDad 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank god they’re not doing those daddy daughter virginity dances and pledges anymore tho. That was hella creepy. What was that movement called. Keep wanting to say promise keepers but I think that’s something else entirely…

[–]pinkcityscapeFDS Newbie 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Turning 29 this year and still no sex. Truthfully the past few years it’s been voluntary (I’d say at University it was involuntary I just had a lot of personal mental issues and body image problems). I don’t know if I will ever be intimate in this way but I’m at peace with it now. I’ve also decided not to online date since it’ll be an expectation if I go out with men. Better to just remove myself from the situation and focus on other things…

[–]lvioletsnowFDS Newbie 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I started dating 'late' (20s) and that was just the wildest thing to me! Complete strangers expecting I would like, come to their apartment and drop to my knees because...? They exist? This was often before the date or was considered to be the date itself! They legit wanted me to come to their house (or come to mine), have me cook, and then sleep with me (without protection, probably) to uh, 'test compatibility'. Wat.

We're about the same age: you're not missing anything.

One of my last dates was with a guy who I got the vibe wasn't really into me; showed up late and I was halfway through my meal without him. Got up to leave after politely saying goodbye and this dude chases me down to insist that he wants another date. Figured I got it wrong and, eventually, said yes. He stood me up. LMAO

[–]NewYorkerWhiteMocha 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s really good!

[–]JustTrustMeOkaay1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

My sisters, you all have been groomed for a cult. A lot of you are starting to see it. Please think for yourselves and listen to your inner voice.

[–]LilacUnicorn66 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What cult? Ah, yes, whiny bitch cucks are now lamenting that live sex dolls will no longer be readily available and they'll now have to use plastic.

[–]31anddun1 points 4 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism as a social adjustment was a good thing. Feminism as a political movement was a disaster.

[–]99powerFDS Apprentice 31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by that? Politically we got voting rights and the right to own property/sign contracts. Culturally...we have hookup/porn culture (redundant, sorry). I was also gonna say we have abortion but no. :|

[–]factoremrisu -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn nigga, I thought men was going celibate
really bullshitting on this one aren't cha'

[–]Unlucky_Fig_5468 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The stats show men are 33% celibate to women’s 16%. Shouldn’t people notice this applies twice as much to men.

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