Campus Due Process Denied | Great support/awareness raising by the Independent Women's Forum

rahsoft · 2020-01-28T14:54:07+00:00

I have a better idea

why not use the system already in place rather than a college kangaroo court which is not accountable.

You know you have police and courts right??

the people whose job is to do this??

NohoTwoPointOh · 2020-01-28T16:19:17+00:00

You will often hear me decrying feminists and feminist groups for turning a blind eye to the actions of their wicked sisters.

Happily, today I get to say "Huzzah" to the Independent Women's Forum.

21Puns · 2020-01-28T17:47:40+00:00

How do people say this sub is “sexist neckbeard incel bullshit”. Seriously, how the hell does one come to that conclusion?

lonewolfhistory · 2020-01-28T18:19:38+00:00

Here’s a solution. Title IX should force the school to immediately call the police when used this way. This should be stripped from the hands of the universities. Any allegation of rape or abuse goes to the cops.

logic2187 · 2020-01-28T19:24:44+00:00

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imaginarycurator · 2020-01-28T17:22:25+00:00

Hey gents, the multiple posts were not intended as spam, I had an issue with the Reddit app I thought had to do with my connection. ✌🏼

McFeely_Smackup · 2020-01-28T17:05:44+00:00

#8 makes it pretty clear what their concern is. It doesn't take a genius to see that if the draconian policies are allowed to stand, eventually women will be victimized by them as well.

HierEncore · 2020-01-28T19:09:29+00:00

There is a reason 80% of University students are women.

There is a great bake push going on to turn man into second-class citizens. I cannot tell you how many men I know who are working hard blue-collar jobs and are making a lot less than women who are working easy desk jobs. Turning men into slaves.

Weler · 2020-01-28T21:50:04+00:00

My University sends out an article about a similar situation to all incoming freshmen.

Basically: Two freshmen, one male one female, meet at a party. Both are intoxicated, but not blackout drunk. They go back to his room, have a sexual encounter, and part ways in the morning. They pass each other occasionally in the following weeks, might even share a class, but don't talk much further (I think they have a couple mutual friends).

Close to a month later, the female student feels very awkward and uncomfortable about the encounter, as she realizes she couldn't reliably consent while intoxicated. She goes through a similar process as the one detailed above (to be fair, after much reluctance and coaxing from friends) and the male student is expelled near the end of the semester. In the following year and a half, he is having trouble getting accepted anywhere, school or work, because of this spot on his record. He tries to reopen the case at the University with the argument that he was also intoxicated, so her complaint doesn't make sense, but the University refuses to entertain his appeal because of how late he's bringing up this argument (presumably also because it would look bad to expel a student for this and then have to retract the decision).

What I like about my University is that they didn't say who was in the right or wrong; they made the point that "Consent isn't black or white, there is frightening gray area that causes just as much potential harm and even more confusion. Don't just try to avoid the 'black,' but make an effort to avoid even the 'gray,' not just for safety and comfort, but to avoid a situation like this. We want to be fair to both parties in these cases, but we'd prefer if these cases didn't exist at all, or were at least heavily minimized."

I thought it was a very honest take on the topic. Even if you're in the right in one of these issues, it would be better to never be involved in the issue at all, if for nothing else than your mental stability.

Edit:

I should say that this advice applies to men or women, for a multitude of reasons: avoiding feeling uncomfortable, avoiding genuine sexual assault, avoiding genuine accusations, avoiding bullshit accusations, and, again, avoiding confusion. This is a fucked topic/issue, and having a degree of confusion on either side of can ruin someone's life in a diverse variety of ways. Everyone should aim to reduce that confusion to near 0.

RowdyRonnyGriper · 2020-01-28T17:56:12+00:00

Isn't this an antifeminist group, IIRC?

N1KMo · 2020-01-28T18:08:58+00:00

This shit makes my stomach go nuts... Disgusting!

VoteRepublicanAgain · 2020-01-28T20:28:57+00:00

Doesn’t no one give a shit if the man is drunk? Literally no one cares lol. No one cares if a man is raped & there’s still tons of people who believe men cannot be raped & only men can be rapists. I feel like I’ve been brainwashed by that too sadly.

It’s so vastly different between men & women with everything but I guess we are the same in a lot of ways too.

mcmur · 2020-01-28T15:59:15+00:00

Yeah wow this is pretty good. Probably accurately reflects a good portion of the process for many of these.

immortalsperm · 2020-01-28T17:37:03+00:00

They seriously wanna implement the "believe all women" crap, regardless of evidence or investigations.

WarezMyDinrBitc · 2020-01-28T21:18:02+00:00

Joe Rogan had an eye opening discussion on this:

https://youtu.be/iU0fez-dTUA

And another regarding feminism:

https://youtu.be/9ig6rjgaLXQ

This type of nonsense really needs to change. Sooo many double standards. We need family court reform.

dildo_cannon_fodder · 2020-01-29T04:21:07+00:00

this kinda reminds me of a south park episode where PC Principal lives in a "woke"/"white knight" fraternity frat house and he's knocking on every door asking for sexual consent forms for some odd reason

abdel88 · 2020-01-29T08:12:37+00:00

It's better to jerk off and let the women rotten in their fake liberal empowering bubble.

stopfucking #jerkoff

chambertlo · 2020-01-29T11:18:10+00:00

How about men just stop dealing with women altogether? You’d avoid these types of problems from the onset.

Thelordrulervin · 2020-01-28T18:35:32+00:00

Couldn’t the male student sue the school for discrimination or something?

ThingsThatWork · 2020-01-28T16:00:16+00:00

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MushroomTaco · 2020-01-28T22:25:49+00:00

a chance to prove his innocence

THAT'S NOT HOW IT WORKS REEEE

Scoddri · 2020-01-28T22:38:44+00:00

prove innocence. This should not be fucking required. They should have to prove such a crime was committed, not be forced to prove that one is innocent.

mholt9821 · 2020-01-29T04:19:51+00:00

Isnt this the definition of kangaroo court?

marioz64 · 2020-01-29T06:23:43+00:00

Happened to me at IU. I talked to my lawyer. We decided best thing to do was walk away. No sense wasting time or money in monkey court.

swordinthestream · 2020-01-28T21:17:03+00:00

without allowing the accused a chance to prove his (or her) innocence.

The fuck happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Seashell2021 · 2020-01-28T17:45:19+00:00

BelieveHer ...in spite of reality or real due process. Equal rights? Pffff.

LongjumpingChance · 2020-01-28T18:52:08+00:00

so wheres the source?

2020-01-28T18:54:52+00:00

At what university did this happen?

WarOfNoise · 2020-01-28T19:01:50+00:00

correct me if I am wrong, but this Title IX clusterfuck came with the threat of having federal funding cuts issued to colleges if they don't resolve sexual assault/rape allegations "in a timely manner" or something like that, yes?

kingjohn1919 · 2020-01-28T19:10:48+00:00

This sounds like the Canadian police and "justice" system...

FangFingersss · 2020-01-28T19:54:21+00:00

Wait, there’s a women’s site promoting this? Badass!

RareNothing1 · 2020-01-28T20:09:27+00:00

The idea of Judges or people in that role being neutral or unbiased is not even thought of nowadays. This is a violation of the law.

Nerfixion · 2020-01-28T20:21:26+00:00

Couldn't you sue for defamation and or whatever?

I have no clue on US law but you've lost out of a future ect because she's calling you a rapist. Wouldnt a real court proceed with this?

I assume if someone posts all over social media someone is a rapist youd be able to sue them for it.

HNutz · 2020-01-28T22:34:48+00:00

That's fucked up.

West7780 · 2020-01-28T23:27:51+00:00

Holy shit

MisterRedStyx · 2020-01-29T02:43:32+00:00

I wonder should the accusing college refund the student money paid for the classes, since the student is a persona non grata, the degree is unable to be obtained, politicians are known to return campaign donations from notorious people, shouldn't they do the same? At the very least expulsion without due process, and not returning the money seems like theft.

KantSchopenthisLocke · 2020-01-29T03:37:38+00:00

A ridiculously similar situation happened to me on my campus two years ago when I was a freshman.

alienalgen94 · 2020-01-29T05:08:48+00:00

Why Caitlin why

NekoiNemo · 2020-01-29T05:17:40+00:00

Well i be damned. This is the actual first time i see feminists give a shit about men.

rdomalik · 2020-01-29T05:26:50+00:00

Solution: don’t hook up with intoxicated girls, or better yet, not at all

Cookiedoughjunkie · 2020-01-29T05:31:53+00:00

I think this is something there needs to be a law specifically against because...technically? This is the school stealing from the man for no reason.

Chaz042 · 2020-01-29T05:54:18+00:00

Wait, the Title IX office just violated that man's rights that they're there to protect. Dafuq?

HCEandALP4ever · 2020-01-29T12:44:53+00:00

Even this graphic shows a bias, as well intended as it may be. Look at #8.

Hundreds Of biased disciplinary committees have expelled or denied degrees to students on the basis of tenuous “he said-she-said” claims without allowing the accused a chance to prove his (or her) innocence.

(Italics mine)

Why should the accused have to prove his or her innocence? “Innocent until proven guilty”. Yes, I know many will jump on that and say that only applies to the law; it doesn’t apply here. The fact is, “innocent until proven guilty is not only a legal thing. It is also a principle, one on which we place a huge value. One without which society would look very different. If you choose to abandon that principle when convenient that says a lot about you.

(As a side note, when #8 says “him (or her)” it’s laughable for them to include “or her”. When has a female student accused of sexual misconduct (so few of them!) ever been denied due process as are their male counterparts? I haven’t heard of any such cases.)

anonymous_troll · 2020-01-31T05:53:13+00:00

I love this so much.

ITryNotToBite · 2020-02-01T19:44:18+00:00

Its crazy how white dudes are so concerned about being falsely accused and railroaded on sexual assault accusations, after years of literally lynching black and other men of color for the same accusations. Really reflecting post Kobe especially.

0_0Sup · 2020-01-28T19:49:25+00:00

She vanishes forever under dubious circumstances, foul play suspected.

6PrivetDrive · 2020-01-28T17:36:08+00:00

Can Carlos at least get his hands out of his pants? Not a good look for person accused of a sexual assault

Title	Campus Due Process Denied \| Great support/awareness raising by the Independent Women's Forum
Author	EricAllonde
Upvotes	3065
Comments	194
Date	January 28, 2020 2:05 PM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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