Why hasn’t Men’s Rights had any significant / big wins ?

Deadwalking2k · 2023-12-12T00:48:51+00:00

Men do not act as a collective for common interest like women do, and also women are viewed as perpetual victims of men while vice versa doesn’t exist.

Asatmaya · 2023-12-12T01:57:38+00:00

https://www.fox13memphis.com/news/tennessee-bill-would-make-it-illegal-to-falsely-accuse-someone-of-being-babys-father/article_851cb26a-c7fd-11ed-bbbe-2344cf773e0a.html

https://www.law.com/thelegalintelligencer/2023/05/19/the-end-of-permanent-alimony-understanding-the-nuance-behind-senate-bill-1416/?slreturn=20231111205603

https://www.healthline.com/health/mens-health/mens-mental-health-month

CRobinsFly · 2023-12-12T05:33:36+00:00

Several states have ended lifetime alimony, several governors have issued mandates that custody is awarded 5050 unless a truly compelling reason exists to deny it, and at least one state in the last year passed a law to require DNA tests at birth for unmarried couples to place a father's name on the birth certificate.

Wins have happened.

imbetterthanyou30 · 2023-12-12T01:04:44+00:00

I think there are some wins happening, but it'll occur gradually over time. For example, some states are now seeking to end lifelong alimony. Moreover, people are starting to wake up as to how damaging DEI is-- which I think has played a significant role in the hatred of men generally.

It'll take time, but things will change.

Dizzirron · 2023-12-12T00:38:13+00:00

Have patience, we are right now in the eye of a massive shift in society and energy. So many men right now are finding lifelong permanent peace within themselves. Women are increasingly falling apart, and if they don't find peace within themselves, it is all simply on them.

le_flapjack · 2023-12-12T08:22:33+00:00

As long as men simp we will never win.

kochIndustriesRussia · 2023-12-12T02:22:13+00:00

Lowest number of marriage applications ever this past year. It'd call that a big win?

Extreme_Spread9636 · 2023-12-12T01:28:57+00:00

We don't have to do anything. The system is already slowly crumbling. It's not much of a win for all of us, but that's the only way we "win".

IndependenceNo2060 · 2023-12-12T00:57:39+00:00

Feeling defeated right there with you, brother. Marriage and divorce laws need a major overhaul, and the silence on men's mental health is deafening. Keep fighting the good fight, we'll get there.

63daddy · 2023-12-12T03:49:41+00:00

Feminism has much more funding, lobbying ability, a huge propaganda machine, is entrenched in education, has celebrity support and of course gynocentrism. It’s a lot to compete against.

The men’s movement has less organizations, less funding, less political support, etc. Wins with potential often go nowhere. For example, the MRM won a significant court case ruling a male only draft to be unconstitutional, but it means nothing if Congress ignores it.

I think one thing the men’s movement could do better is really focus on a small number of less controversial, winnable issues and put a lot of focus on those, much as it’s had some success winning more fair child custody laws one state at a time, by sticking with it.

shit-zen-giggles · 2023-12-12T04:08:38+00:00

Oh, I think you're gravely mistaken. We've just had a big time break through in the last 2 years. Specifically the political left was forced to abandon it's female supremacist bigotry (or face voting booth anihilation):

https://web.archive.org/web/20220908161120/https://edition.cnn.com/2022/09/08/us/andrew-tate-manosphere-misogyny-solutions-cec/index.html

because:

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2022/06/01/poll-finds-support-great-replacement-hard-right-ideas#gender

https://web.archive.org/web/20230309060350/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/09/womens-rights-have-gone-far-say-majority-gen-z-millennials-study/

from those insights came: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBG1Wgg32Ok

likewise several republican presidential candidates have taken the issues men face on board:

https://www.newsweek.com/americas-manhood-crisis-opinion-1800455

https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/05/exclusive-marco-rubio-releases-40-page-report-on-the-crisis-of-working-non-working-men/

I think the biggest win for men’s rights would be changes to marriage & divorce laws

Directly and explicitly inspired by Warren Farrell: https://web.archive.org/web/20230630191254/https://www.myfloridalaw.com/new-florida-fathers-rights-law-2023/

and bringing more awareness / exposure of this topic to the general public of men’s mental health

https://us.movember.com/story/movember-invests-100-million-in-the-new-movember-men-s-health-institute

The head of movember foundation talked about this at this years UN Women's HeForShe event

So, in summary, the MRM has gone from being an obscure, miniscule (mostly online) phenomenon in the late 2000s / early 2010s (for example, this sub was started in 2008) to a majority political position in younger men in the 2020s and thus being put on the global agenda (up to and including the UN).

I want to make it clear that we are not where we are supposed to be yet, but we are getting there far faster than I would have imagined in my wildest dreams.

Social change is a slow process. Watching paint dry is an action thriller in comparison. So, if you zoom out just a little and look at what happend and how far we have come in the cause of 15 years, it's quite impressive actually, how far we've come in this (relatively) short time.

Burro_Teimoso · 2023-12-12T03:40:51+00:00

Because it takes time.

How long? Hard to say, but feminism took not less than 30 years, but even before that there was a lot of theoretical construction.

Look Feminism may have become mainstream in recent years. Still, their move took decades of preparation, creating organization, looking for alternatives, which measures works and which doesn't all that takes time.

Look, feminism as a social movement became a real thing in 1960 and took many drawbacks before becoming mainstream.

So without something that worries the government and other persons with political and economic power, like natality falling in a critical condition, or a real financial break, would take a long time to get better results.

Here is a simplified timeline

The First Wave: women's suffrage (1848-1928)

The Second Wave: the sexual revolution (1960s–1990s)

The Third Wave: riot grrrls and redefining gender (1990–2012)

The Fourth Wave: #MeToo and social activism (2012–Present)

source: https://www.perlego.com/knowledge/study-guides/waves-of-feminism-timeline/

jacobbrown89 · 2023-12-12T00:24:30+00:00

We live in a day and age where men have to win in silence.

I believe in the future this may change but as things stand today... women and other people are louder because they have to be.

another-cosplaytriot · 2023-12-12T06:47:22+00:00

I'd like to figure out how I can help homeless men specifically. I feel like they are particularly underserved compared to the many assistance options available to women.

rotkohl007 · 2023-12-12T00:27:47+00:00

Sexism

SecTeff · 2023-12-12T09:52:38+00:00

My personal take is that the movement is currently too much an online echo chamber.

What it needs is actual organisations in different countries that men support with regular financial contributions.

We aren’t going to get any Government funding (unlike groups that work to prevent harms women face).

So we are going to have to support them ourselves. With staff working for a men’s advocacy organisation we might start to see real change but it takes time to organise a political campaign and more than just complaining online.

hwjk1997 · 2023-12-12T21:18:53+00:00

Our natural outgroup bias betrays us. The default option for men is to ignore it, and the default option for women is to oppose it.

ILoveTikkaMasala · 2023-12-12T05:20:41+00:00

Because men refuse to unite with eachother considering there a large demographic that thinks guys like us are "spoiled brats" or "millennial pussies" or something along the lines

Grenadier23 · 2023-12-12T06:23:19+00:00

There are no wins for men. There are only relative wins in the form of losses for women.

Mens issues have gone largely unnoticed and men are often outright ridiculed for talking about their hardships and legitimate grievances regarding systemic problems they face. The overarching sentiment towards issues that exclusively effect men but not women is "fuck you, man up, we don't care, we've got better things to worry about."

Empathy or sympathy from the other side isn't coming and most men know this. Feminism has otherised men to the extent that the average man is automatically seen as an adversary and not a potential ally. Men and women have been socialized by feminism to see each other as political adversaries, and women are perfectly content with it being this way.

So if that's the way its gonna be, fine. Don't expect our support.

Roe v Wade being overturned was a loss for women. The efforts to reverse the decision has failed because non-women are too fed up to show up in adequate numbers. Why would non-women support and advocate for a group that hates them?

Automation is set to eliminate huge swaths of the job market and women will be disproportionately affected. Non-women will not show up in adequate numbers once again because why would they.

ElBernando · 2023-12-12T13:43:35+00:00

Some wins happen, but usually only after the most egregious behavior of someone else

secret_tiger101 · 2023-12-12T14:39:47+00:00

It he U.K. there was a move to equalise retirement age between men and women.

hottake_toothache · 2023-12-12T15:40:51+00:00

Because people do not care about men, and male spaces have been destroyed to the point where men have become alienated from each other.

ThePureFool · 2023-12-12T03:59:09+00:00

Look at the recent elections in Europe.
The world is changing, and it's because men are fed up.

Biervat2 · 2023-12-12T00:27:58+00:00

times are changing a bit. but the problem is weak men, not strong women, weak men destroy everything and arent open to reason as they essentially are living a lie and are happy with it. The hurt of these laws come after the men are allready broken, young men are trying to sleep with women and are indoctrinated with 'being friends with women is okay' and other stupid shit. Weak men create hard times, hard times create strong men. Im seeing some changes in regards to immigration in europe, i hope the train keeps rolling.

you can date, offcourse, just dont marry and dont bring kids into the world if the woman isnt actually madly in love with you. never let a woman settle with you, if a woman says shes settling youre just an attention or money ATM.

thebig62200 · 2023-12-12T06:18:29+00:00

Would love to see changes in men's custody rights. Any michigan based men's rights I can join?

kuzism · 2023-12-12T10:12:00+00:00

I spent most of my money on women, whisky and cars, the rest I wasted.

itspinkynukka · 2023-12-12T15:56:43+00:00

The bar for a win in men's rights is so low that seeing a man get full custody against a bad mom is a win.

Traditional_Crew6617 · 2023-12-12T21:20:01+00:00

It's pretty simple. We haven't come together as a collective and made it happen. The women have and that's how they are all on the same page. They are united and we are divided into different groups

Unpopularopinion341 · 2023-12-12T07:17:42+00:00

The biggest issue is we work against our own interests, let's be honest men STILL rule the world regardless of how liberal a society is. The only way women ascend to power is being forced with all kinds of affirmative action type policy in every area of life even then men still out earn , succeed more by most metrics. It's men who simp and fight other men for women who dgaf a dam about them or their struggles. Dudes like male feminist or just overly alpha dudes who will kill for some girl they don't know on some white knight stuff.

If we all take a stand and stand on our issues as a collective women will fall back in their feminine energy , it's nature.

cruisinforasnoozinn · 2023-12-12T14:09:03+00:00

Men are seen to have held most to all power in society until relatively recently in history, whereas culturally women built up to it for generations. We haven't done much because many of us aren't sure how to fight the system yet, and theres little support for the cause due to lack of awareness.

We need to organise and protest, as well as spread major awareness. We could be speaking to successful activists, teaming up with them. I think it would do us favours to get feminists involved, as the positive attention would soften people's views on the matter (and it would educate quite a few feminists on issues men face)

For many reasons, mindlessly cursing all forms of feminism and refusing to stand near it is a behaviour that poses a barrier between men and liberation - we should all be working together to understand each other and learn.

Maybe some of us can even start burning our jocks 🤷‍♂️

JoshyRanchy · 2023-12-12T14:27:12+00:00

First time coming acrsoss this sub , but wjat is the most popular mend rights policy ?

Like one that can easily be agreed to and be enacted?

RatDontPanic · 2023-12-12T16:35:06+00:00

If MRAs hadn't voted for Trump, Selective Service would be gender neutral by now.

flipsidetroll · 2023-12-12T17:00:24+00:00

I am soooo glad you asked this. It astounding, astonishing and amazing that you seem surprised.

So what are the majority of you? Yes. MGTOW. You felt some attack, or heartbreak or heard other men’s experiences and decided to check out. But, in any point in history, when people felt their civil rights, human rights, any rights were violated, they took action. They rose up (cue orchestra). They fought! They demonstrated. They debated. They got everyone they could on their side.

And what do you do? You moan on the internet. You mock anyone who thinks differently. You mock women on your side. You downvote people into oblivion just for pointing out things obviously flawed in some arguments or who don’t agree with you 100%. You tell people to gtfo. And then you say you want nothing more to do with society. That is the opposite of fighting for your rights. And then wonder why you’re not gaining ground? Wow. (And yes, that is the wow that thinks too many of you are one brain cell short of a synapse).

Written to lawmakers? Offered to have actual debates? Demonstrated? Have a single one of you admitted to being equally responsible for your relationships going bad? You don’t really want results. You want to be victims cos it gives an excuse and a reason to be assholes who do nothing and can’t be called out. And you can’t be reasoned with. If feminism made women into men, then redpill and mgtow made men into women. As in “I don’t want solutions. I just want you to listen to me moan about it”. If you really wanted solutions, you would be doing something about it. And you would see through the idiots who lead these movements. Every single one is shady and done all the things they accuse women of. I mean, they couldn’t possibly be keeping men unhappy just for money could they? Noooo. They couldn’t possibly like feeling superior to men because they are “disruptors” who know stuff? Nooo.

Imagine being the leaders you want, and doing something. Or, carry on as you are, and expect everyone else to fight for your rights.

dodo91 · 2023-12-12T07:58:46+00:00

What exactly do you expect besides more fair divorce regulations?

Antarkian · 2023-12-12T01:23:36+00:00

Because men's rights are the same as women's rights. They're human rights.

Too many of you are fixated on trying to point the finger at, or bash, women or feminism here.

You're literally becoming the same feminists you have, in male form, for men's rights. People are waking up, but the unfortunate thing here is that proving our rights often comes with other movements that attack men, falling flat on their face. So the real question is, how can we keep progressing forward while being real men and not belittling other people to do so.

As men, we are mostly logic driven, use it, and quit thinking emotionally.

aren3141 · 2023-12-12T00:30:31+00:00

Men are now well represented in all levels of government

PeonSupremeReturns · 2023-12-12T18:12:43+00:00

In some instances, things have changed, but not for the better. A couple years ago, the American Psychological Association published a position statement about men’s mental health that basically said men’s problems were their own damn fault. Before that, the British Psychological Society fought tooth and nail against the creation of a section on men’s issues.

reverbiscrap · 2023-12-12T22:30:49+00:00

Google The Promise Keepers.

After that, the real issue is the stranglehold feminist academics and lobbyists have on advocacy and research. That is slowly changing, however.

Difficult_Ad_3234 · 2023-12-13T00:17:12+00:00

Good question that needs attention guaranteed!✈️

Fornographic · 2023-12-13T00:20:43+00:00

It's not organized and doesn't have a voice yet. I do think it will be a different kind of movement. Men are going to stop participating and the western society will begin to crumble. Wait to see what happens when infrastructure and blue collar work goes away. Think Fight Club at the end when Project Mayhem sees their plans come together.

Riverthefrog111 · 2023-12-13T03:06:50+00:00

I have read some books , like Caliban y la bruja and articles that talk about african American civil rights movements and in both an idea is presented which pretty much goes , a community that doesn't successfully makes it self heard in the political floor or it does but fails at incorporating and fighting in the societal floor will fail to see any long lasting progress

YesYesYesVeryGood · 2023-12-13T03:47:49+00:00

It differs place to place. I feel that Mens' Rights are taken differently in different parts of the world.

I'm living in New Jersey, USA. I'd say I have a lot more advantages than certain countries and less than a few.

Bokoman91 · 2023-12-13T03:52:21+00:00

men's get together for short period of common interest and unfortunately straight men's drive into relationship is factor . ik this will get devoted but spoke my truth

1antinomy · 2023-12-13T04:15:17+00:00

Because women are loyal to their gender & the idea of egalitarianism

Men are loyal to race, tribes, ideologies, etc

They can get on code & do things collectively for the bigger picture— meanwhile men will fight amongst each other on mīnute points

Then you got the fact that gynocentricism (simping mentality) is the norm for a majority of men & we will never appeal to them without coming across as ‘woman-haters’

Feminism could be dealt with overnight if there weren’t so many semi-emasculated men enforcing the ‘woman is right’ mentality

gigachud1337 · 2023-12-13T05:59:21+00:00

Cuz the west is fucked with progressivism and has been since the end of ww2. I think once we have enough immigrants things might change, leftists still don't grasp the idea they might not agree with all their progressive crap

Lucky-Slice399 · 2023-12-13T06:59:13+00:00

Any major discussion about men rights will be shutdown and all participants will lose their jobs the next day. There is a reason this thing doesn't get talked about as much in real life as it does here.

The bad side of all this is that you won't get shutdown by women, it will be men who will do all the dirty work against their own just so that they can get sum.

But don't think that it has no effect, it had a lot of effects on me personally, and I have changed my entire lifestyle after experiencing inequalities myself and seeing thousands of men experience it all over the world.

I totally understand the importance of this sub and other subs like it, men are getting smart as more and more people are sharing their stories, people get the big picture and know that the game is rigged.

TKD1989 · 2023-12-13T14:38:31+00:00

The big wins I'd like to see are women being charged as harshly as men for female teachers who commit statutory rape, divorce laws saying that women pay as equally as men and men having right to self defense against women who commit domestic violence

revonssvp · 2023-12-13T14:56:02+00:00

It takes balls to go against the mainstream opinions. We know we would be harassed if we talk about men rights.

Title	Why hasn’t Men’s Rights had any significant / big wins ?
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Date	December 12, 2023 12:13 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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