The whole body count argument from feminists has a massive glaring hole in it

r_c2999 · 2023-12-29T14:53:56+00:00

I literally see women saying they want a man who values his body and is selective but when a guy says if he’s insecure or misogynistic

r_c2999 · 2023-12-29T14:55:30+00:00

A high body count could be linked to sexual impulsivity which is linked to borderline personality disorder (something that everyone should avoid, if yk yk)

Edit: just wanted to add this b/c someone said this isn’t true.

Everything was sourced from page 663 of the most recent edition of DSM linked below.

https://archive.org/details/dsm-5_202110/page/662/mode/2up?view=theater&q=borderline

Impulsivity in at least two areas that are potentially self-damaging (e.g., spending, sex, substance abuse, reckless driving, binge eating). (Note: Do not include suicidal or selfmutilating behavior covered in Criterion 5.)

They specifically list sex as in sexual impulsivity, this is directly from the 5th and latest edition of the DSM.

r_c2999 · 2023-12-29T14:54:52+00:00

High body count means poor self esteem, poor self confidence and little to no self respect

Could also mean poor boundaries

Ok-Yogurtcloset7394 · 2023-12-29T13:28:10+00:00

I don't get why they think they even remotely have the right to determine preferences. like wtf. I personally just find it super imature to sleep around with many people and it's a red flag to me because 1. sex is addicting and the same partner gets boring 2. sex to me is Something intimate i don't just want to share with anyone.

These are my preferences and anyone can have theire own but how dare they shaming me for having this preference??? it's so disgusting honestly.

Ben-iND · 2023-12-29T14:18:20+00:00

You can debunk their statement very fast:

who care about body count are just insecure and/or have some gross sort of purity fetish

Lets be honest here. Most people have more Sex in a relationship. So if its about "insecurity" why do these men not feel insecure about a woman who was in a 10y+ Relationship?

They had a lot of Sex. He knows her and know exactly what she like and dislike. So people would feel more insecure to compete with this man instead of competing with x hookups.

These "They are insecure" does not make sense at all.

penguinsrcoolaf · 2023-12-29T16:27:12+00:00

When it comes to preferences around dating & sex everyone's allowed to think what they want, because we're all individuals. Some men don't want women who sleep around, that's fine. Some women don't want a man who sleep with other men, that's fine. This forcing everyone into a general consensus about something so personal is ridiculous.

fuckthemoddsofreddit · 2023-12-29T18:00:54+00:00

Whenever you hear any woman saying this, laugh in her face. They are trying to shame men into accepting disgustingly slutty women as our wives and mothers to our children.

They want it both ways. They want to get turned inside out by 100 men and then they want YOU to give her the queen treatment. Do not be that guy. If women want that, they need to keep their legs closed when the football team comes by.

its unbecoming and disgusting behavior. Not wife material. But i''ll be # 105 on her body count before sending her on her way

birl_ds · 2023-12-29T13:52:08+00:00

Thread title is beyond perfection

SSFW3925 · 2023-12-29T17:25:55+00:00

Feminist want strong rich men because they are insecure about being weak and lazy. The nonsense goes both ways. Men are not allowed preferences only women are. Kind of sick when you think of it. In order to avoid maternity fraud men want women with low body counts and they are entitled to that preference. Men need to feel safe in a relationship too.

b-raddit · 2023-12-29T16:59:05+00:00

I just straight up don't even listen to what women say, except my girlfriend. She's knows wha gwan

antifeminist3 · 2023-12-29T19:19:43+00:00

I think feminists have falsely framed the argument. Would women want a relationship with a guy who sleeps around and doesn't 'commit'? No. Would men want a woman who sleeps around and doesn't become monogamous? No.

there is no double standard against women.. Feminists have falsely framed it.

As far as casual sex goes, New research finds a sexual double standard against male, but not female, promiscuity

The only double standard is against men.

BuddhaB · 2023-12-30T01:03:39+00:00

'body count' can be an indication of other issues like insecurities, so definitely can be a red flag. But people can grow and change, everyone should be judged on an individual basis.

Ashamed_Smile3497 · 2023-12-29T18:28:26+00:00

The day I understood that I do not care about women’s opinions regarding men’s preferences was the day my ears started feeling better. I can and will have my preferences and there isn’t a damn thing any washed up whore can do about it

TheFireMachine · 2023-12-29T18:24:39+00:00

People that have low socio-sexuality, meaning you dont need to know or like a person to have sex with them are sub clinical psychopaths. It will never workout in your favor to have a long term relationship with a person like this, they will almost certainly betray you.

2023-12-29T18:56:20+00:00

Show me someone who claims both genders don't equally look down on promiscuous members of the opposite gender and I'll show you a delusional liar.

AmuseDeath · 2023-12-29T15:49:33+00:00

Feminists are a bunch of mentally ill children. It makes no sense to think they'll make sense. Just let them gobble gobble in their own madness and focus on yourself.

Metraxis · 2023-12-29T16:34:02+00:00

When you are looking for a long-term relationship, your potential partner's average relationship length is definitely a thing to consider when predicting your own relationship length. If her standard case is 3 months with a violent flare-out, then you should be looking for saner pastures.

neighborhoodpainter · 2023-12-29T19:11:36+00:00

Men and women care about a person's body count. Ask the feminists if they'd be okay with a man sleeping with tons of women, regularly. I'm sure a good few would think the man is a player, he uses women for his pleasure, he doesn't treat women well, treats women like objects, etc. I've also seen cases where women find out a man's a virgin and think something's wrong with him. "Do women not want him?", "is he undesirable?", "is something wrong with him?", etc.

Scarce12 · 2023-12-29T21:18:06+00:00

You mean to say that a history of being promiscuous because I wanted to be doesn't indicate a lasting successful monogamous relationship in which I don't become bored with having sex with the same person and lose interest in sex altogether? What if I wear white at the wedding, will that change your mind?

Women's brains don't fully develop until their mid twenties, haven't you heard? But we aren't children, don't call us children!!!

You want us to be a "female eunuch" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Female_Eunuch), where we don't get to have fun having sex with other people before we settle down to have kids, marry a guy and tell him his sexual urges are dirty and should be repressed. Use IVF or something instead of having yucky sex with him.

Because men have Madonna-Whore complexes, but not us feminists, no we don't have Madonna-Whore complexes because we are superior to men like that.

That's why women can be like men, act like men, but not have men's vices. We are strong women, can't you see our superiority to you? Do I need to smash you in the face?

On those occasions where it appears that women could have a vice, it's actually the fault of disgusting men and this can be proven through mental gymnastics and poor academia. Wife isn't fucking you? Here, this paper says you should do more housework you stupid eunuch.

NB: Male eunuchs are okay and serve a purpose to us, it's the female eunuchs that's not okay, that's why we tacked the word "female" onto the word "eunuch", incels.

/sarcasm.

Net_Flux3 · 2023-12-29T21:43:10+00:00

the MAJORITY of women would never date or bang any man who has EVER had sex with another man

It's simple. Both men and women hate it when their partners are "defiled" by another man since men are inherently seen as "filthy"/"impure"/"evil". That's the reason men don't mind women who had lesbian experiences and women don't mind men who slept around with other women.

em-tional · 2023-12-30T01:22:43+00:00

Seems like more of a purity fetish than most men have

I personally wouldn't say a purity fetish, that's just homophobia. Idgaf if she slept with a girl because the person she slept with was a girl; I give a shit because she slept with someone, but women only get mad when it was a homosexual fling strictly because it was homosexual; and they will make all these judgements whilst they probably have a pride flag in their room.

siddsp · 2023-12-30T02:17:40+00:00

Men don’t care how many women another woman has slept with, but they do care how many men she has been with.

As a man, a woman having slept with a lot of other people (even women) is unattractive. It doesn't make them less as a person, but someone who does so clearly isn't compatible with me.

lbgravy · 2023-12-30T03:34:27+00:00

what. the. hell. are you talking about?

firstly, I don't want my partner being intimate with anyone but me, male or female, without my permission. and that's pretty much the same for everyone.

secondly, the argument against high bc has always been 2 things: 1) you're most likely a disloyal sex addict who will cheat on me, and 2) why would I be in a relationship with someone who routinely has sex with people who offer no kind of commitment? you don't respect me, and make me jump through hoops.

Feminists who argue against this simple logic are, as always, trying to turn the situation to the advantage of women, and against men. Usually Feminists are pushing an agenda, but also useful idiot Feminist fellow-travelers just ignorantly support anything that seems vaguely pro-woman.

Prostitution is a good example of pushing an agenda. It's degrading coerced sex when women can't make a living doing it, but empowering "sex work" when it makes whores rich at the expense of porn-addicted men and boys.

Used up roasties are a good example of women advocating out of ignorance. Some women have poor judgement and fuck a bunch of guys who aren't worth it. Feminists encourage this obviously stupid behavior for political support. And instead of telling hard truths that might help women, will instead try to argue that it's actually not a bad thing to be a cum dumpster. And will even organize a Slut Walk to mitigate the consequences of any woman's poor life choices. They'll say that men with high bc are respected in society, and we should feel the same about women. They'll play dumb about any legitimate differences between men and women that might have caused this outcome. Ie it's easy for women to get sex so no one cares, but difficult for men to do making it impressive. But more importantly, they deliberately ignore any direct role women play in this dynamic to shield them from blame. Ie women could either start having sex with more men so that it would become less impressive for men, or play with a sexual handicap so that it would become more impressive for women. But again this simple logic can be subverted through Feminist ideology. They would regard women as "sex objects" when they're losing, and "girl bosses" when they're winning.

It's all about power. The common denominator is that Feminists have no consistent morals, and only take action relative to their hatred of men. You have power. They don't. And for that reason all bad behavior on their part is excused as punching up.

Pristine_Fig_5374 · 2023-12-29T18:56:45+00:00

I just don't understand why anyone is eager to call someone out because of their opinion? If I don't date women with a high body count, that's my free will of speech. I am free to do so. And I don't care if anyone says I am insecure, because these people should STFU and mind their own business.

Euphoric-Beat-7206 · 2023-12-29T15:40:41+00:00

More experience is not always a positive thing. The more experience a woman has the more likely she have negative baggage gained from that experience.

This can include children from previous relationships, sexually transmitted diseases, trauma, different expectations, an ex still in the picture etc.

orussell03 · 2023-12-29T15:38:52+00:00

Great point. I never thought of it this way. Thanks

imperator285 · 2023-12-29T16:00:31+00:00

Additionally, women are generally uninterested in sleeping with virgin men. So that's like the same thing as men not liking women with high body counts.

Edit: meant to type uninterested instead of interested

Aromatic_Ad5473 · 2023-12-29T16:02:25+00:00

So if I’m understanding: Men care about how many men have penetrated a woman, and women care about how many men have penetrated a man?

Seems like both men and women care about the same thing

Zestyclose-Ad-3168 · 2023-12-29T20:13:54+00:00

I’d argue that it’s more homophobic. It’s not about being with a man because it’s one man, it’s because they were with a man period… which I would think is obvious. This was a big jump.

swaggiesthoeout444 · 2023-12-30T09:55:08+00:00

pretty sure thats homophobia not a purity fetish

kemonovatnik · 2023-12-29T14:08:44+00:00

I accept my waifu being bisexual and having affairs with many girls, but as man, I must be The Only One. It's about waifu's ability to choose right man as sign of her high culture and morals, and about me dominating over other men

barkmagician · 2023-12-29T14:22:46+00:00

Men get bothered by women sleeping with other men because he counts the man as a valid person - his equal and competition.

(Some) Men don't get bothered by women sleeping with other women because (some) men don't count other women as actual people, and that women 'can't really be lesbians' - so men don't feel threatened by other women. Also because socially women aren't seen as 'less feminine' for being with another woman - Sometimes they are seen as even more feminine.

Women tend to not care about how many women a man has slept with because women value experience.

Women care about a man sleeping with another man because they count other men as valid people - and there's a real possibility, for women, that she could be left for a man because women view being gay as real and valid - so women feel threatened. It could also do with seeing a man as being socially 'weak/feminine' and women want dominance/masculinity.

It doesn't so much have to do with 'purity' as it does with objectifying and dehumanizing gay and lesbian relationships.

ChooseMasculinity · 2023-12-30T13:36:52+00:00

Call me a prude, but not only do I tend to steer clear of women with high body counts but I don’t want to be with a woman who has slept with other women either. I question the character and impulsively of those types of people in a relationship.

Milk--and--honey · 2023-12-30T21:32:53+00:00

Both men and women tend to prefer people who haven't slept around. Hookup culture is dangerous, condoms malfunction for 3 to 10% of people every year

KochiraJin · 2023-12-31T08:23:09+00:00

It’s likely just some version of homophobia.

I kinda suspect this is actually the root of homophobia in society. If someone starts a rumor about a guy having sex with another guy it could tank his chances of finding a wife. It becomes advantageous to be hostile to homosexual men to nip such accusations in the bud.

Taohumor · 2024-01-03T11:00:42+00:00

If she uses the term incel as an insult shes probably mentally ill. Smile and laugh so you don't startle her but realize shes fucked in the head. Promiscuity and ments illness go hand in hand.

I remember this girl I used to know who regularly cheated on her live in boyfriend would be the one making the most virgin jokes out of her circle. The things she said behind her orbiters back were beyond vile "if I'm 40 and alone maybe I'll eventually give him chance". Meanwhile she was buying me shit to get in my good graces and wanted to drive over in the snow in the middle of the night on Christmas to fuck, while with a dude she claimed to hate but dated him 7 years. It's just such scary shit, she was the most self righteous woman I ever met yet complete gutter trash. I told her I was a virgin to see what happens and within the week she goes from spending money on me and wanting to do midnight booty calls to starting shit and tearing me down every chance she got.

Maybe they hate purity in general, men or women. Sex with toxic people damages you psychologically, man or woman. I can only conclude having lost yours you want everyone else to also. Shaming men into lowering standards and getting destroyed by a nutjob and encouraging women to fuck any lowlife they meet. Great message.

lovelybugs101 · 2024-01-04T08:13:50+00:00

So why not talk about that? Yeah those women are absolutely awful. No one should really gaf who you have sex with. Ofc saying no STDs etc.

Rocco818 · 2024-01-12T05:43:41+00:00

Dont call it Homophobia. Its completely natural for a woman to be disgusted at the thought of a man she may care for (which means imagining carrying his child) having another man penetrating him or doing anything sexual with another dude at all. They are as disgusted with it as most men are if we're all being honest here.

Men are hardwired in sex women know this instinctively and Men know this instinctively.

Oh nooo Im sure I just got banned.

Title	The whole body count argument from feminists has a massive glaring hole in it
Author	ETF-The-Token
Upvotes	219
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Date	December 29, 2023 10:21 AM UTC (2 years ago)
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