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[–]JacobMoogberg69 161 points162 points163 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
That's the ultimate goal. Men are so fucking conditioned to always chase and be aggressive with women, which is why they are always running away. I had the same experience after a bad break up. I just couldn't look at or even think about women. That's when chicks started coming out of the woodwork wanting to hook up.
[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
In what type of locations?
[–]aerial_coitus 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
the woodwork, apparently
[–]skatinislife446 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I like you Jacob
[–]RussianBoa 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm still trying to figure out whether I like Jacob or not. Just kidding, you're alright. Misery loves company, so don't mind me in my depressive mind state.
[–]JacobMoogberg69 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's actually Jacobim. Jacobim Mugatu.
[–]ImClemFandango 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So hot right now
[–]Daunt02 109 points110 points111 points 4 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link
There's a vacuum like affect that happens when you sit confidently in your presence. Women want to fill it in.
I did this but with not asking for numbers or trying to close. It started out rough but a few months in women would get my number and pursue me to close. It's a weird mental flip, and doesn't work if you have no game, but it made socializing a lot easier and less serious.
[–]williamroberthoss 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I can sit confidentially in my presence all day, no woman are throwing themselves at me. What sorts of places is this happening at?
[–]gmahogany 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I listed it in the post. But here's how I met the 2 I'm interested in.
-I was eating alone at a restaurant/bar around 5, ate at the bar. A waitress just finished her shift and was having a drink talking to other co workers. Bartender asked how my day was, I told her and indicated I was new to town. The girl next to me asked where I was from, turns out she's from nearby. Started talking about moving here, what we like about back home, why we came here etc.. I get up to leave and say "nice meeting you", she said "take my number lets keep in touch".
-Went to bar solo, ended up talking to the bartender. I asked her about her shirt, we had a common interest. Talked about common interest, I guessed her age and what she's in school for accurately which made her much more friendly. Another guy was aggressively hitting on her and I asked if she needed a fake boyfriend for the night. She said yes, we flirted and joked about that for a bit. She told me about her dog, I asked for a pic, she gave me her IG. She's my type and really cool, gonna pursue this one.
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[–]caveatemptor18 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but disagree. Women can track you down in many ways. Even snail mail works.
[–]williamroberthoss 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for clarifying! And for the inspiration. One day I will achieve this level of cool.
[–]Daunt02 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I didn't just sit in a corner and not say anything. I still had to open. I just wouldn't go for the number or close unless they made it happen. You have to talk it's just that you don't have to talk that much.
This usually only happens when I'm already engaged in a group and I can sit back. If you're just alone in the corner and women aren't into you in the first place then of course it's never going to happen. Also I'm usually with friends and I chill back so I don't have to worry about validating myself to people. Vibing in the corner solo and talking to Noone isn't what I'm talking about.
[–]RussianBoa 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks
[–]williamroberthoss 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This makes way more sense. I had a much different mental picture.
[–]Daunt02 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yea I feel like I didn't explain myself initially. Nobody is getting laid from not saying anything. Feeling good in yourself and not saying much can. Feeling good in yourself is the start so what you say doesn't matter as much as the vibe you're presenting.
Nobody is going to fuck the guy smiling by himself in a corner. That shit is obvious.
[+]GeeseCTM -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It's a garbage post. It's not goiong to happen to most guys unless they are really really good looking AND this guy won't have sex with any of the chicks. Just sad what people upvote in this sub.
[–]gmahogany 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
True I might be good looking and I probably won't have sex with any of these women. But I had a good time.
[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
At least your honest. I don't think the problem is so much your post even though I called it Garbage. Rather it's that the sub is so filled with inexperienced guys they always vote information that they can identity with to the top which actually creates a space of perpetual inexperience.
So when I say garbage, I am comparing it to the time when the seduction community was at its height, and was moderated.
There's nothing like that now. It's sad for you guys out there trying to get better.
Def not hating. Just Trying to get to the nuggets of truth. As Alan watts said “trying not to try is still trying”
[–]Daunt02 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
I'd rate myself a solid 7 in the looks department. I'm just a cool motherfucker and women don't scare me.
These types of comments scream of inexperience and bitterness. Being in the field for any length of time, while working on yourself, gaining social skills and becoming higher value, makes this kind of thinking childish. Like... you really think only model guys are having sex with beautiful women? Get the fuck out there sometime.
[–]GeeseCTM 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Dude I've had more sex with hot women in 1 year then you'll go on dates with in your life.
I've GOTTEN more guys laid then you'll ever have sex. Try again. Your comment screams virgin.
I'm beer I've ever gotten more guys MARRIED then you've had sex so far.
Game is not, "They come to you if you're cool enough."
That shit doesn't work for all but the best looking dudes. I had so much sex with women, quality women, strippers, ceos, fitness instructors, yoga instructors, women in their 20s, just all sorts of hot broads, and not once could I just sit there and be cool or whatever you're trying to say and have any women approach me.
Your comment and this post (by the way even the OP agreed with me) is not going to help 99.9999999% of men to do anything. And I'm willing to bet even though you might have gotten lucky a couple times you're stretching the truth and embellishing, making it sound like something that happened to you once or twice, seem like something that happens to you on a regular basis when it doesn't.
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I hope you got a good nut out of being whatever the fuck you are now.
You've never had a girl try to fuck you? You've always had to try real hard or say something to get somewhere? That sounds sad as fuck. Good luck with that.
Like a girl never said, "come here" and fucked you after you guys talked for a bit but you didn't make any moves? Like has a girl ever reached in to kiss you without you "going for the makeout"? You've always had to try or say something or "take the lead". I'm starting to feel sorry for you man.
Like... has any woman you talked to in the past called you up and fucked you if you guys never fucked before but knew each other? Has a girl that you knew ever told you that she wanted to fuck you without you "putting in the work". Has a homegirl ever hooked you up with her friend and it just went smooth and she asks for your number. That has never happened to you? This is basic modern dating shit.
Like... You've always had to "game" to get anything? It sounds like you have a history of buyers remorse from women.
[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
"...I would say my n-count is low compared to maybe a Chad natural...""I'm older now so I don't give a damn about numbers""I've only had 4 first night fucks in my life and 2 of them have been long term girlfriends." That's from me scanning your history real fast for about 2 minutes because you fake fucks always leave a trail.
That's you. Not only have you not had a lot of sex by your own admission but you still refer to guys who have a lot of sex as Chads which is something only the most Involuntarily Celibate Males or Desperate Foreveraloners call guys who have a lot of sex.
News flash, dummy. The idea of being in a seduction group is to BECOME the guy who gets laid a lot and doesn't have to use words created out of jealousy, spite and envy about the guys who do.
Here's the other thing I noticed. The SHEER amount of time you spend commenting on seduction threads - like all day every day for the past 7 months. You're not getting laid, you're Keyboard Jockeying. You're LARPing. No guy who is out having an abundance of sex spends that much time hovering around Seduction Communities all day. I don't even post or read here often but these God awful posts keep creeping into my feed and I feel the need to try and MAYBE help a few guys not get on a bigger path to lonliness and frustration than they already are on.
When I coached, Almost NONE of my students kept hanging out in the seduction community. They all disappeared, never to be heard from again. Why? Because they all got what they came for. I taught them to have women in their life, they got the success they were looking for. Game over. They moved on.
The guys like you, the guy that still haven't figured shit out yet, you're still searching and trying to figure out how to get women because they still allude you.
BUT - because you've been at this so long and haven't had success yet your ego can't accept coming across to people as a failure, so you substitute your pain and frustration with the fabrication of success and start becoming "Coachee-advice" guy - literally spending HOURS on seduction forums every day giving OTHER people advice in hopes to get at least SOME validation from Someone, even if it's anonymous guys. That's a mask you wear. You bitch at me for talking about the reality that most guys are going to have to do the LEG work and attract women, and yet here you are spending all day every day doing all the leg work to attract men and get vaildation on the computer. Irony Much?
My advice to you is, unplug. Your ego is getting carried away and not letting you accept the real world. It has created this fabrication for approval seeking on the computer and now it's seeping into the realms of ridiculousness and making you sound like an inexperienced "reality porn" obsessed fool who has never had much success with women but wants people to think you have. But much like a guy who has never played in competative sports, but tries to tell someone who HAS extensively how things work without actually having experienced them first hand, you're coming across clumsy and awkward - then doubling down showing that you're an even bigger fool.
Unplug from your ego. Unplug from your fake internet persona. Get out there, in the real world. Do some of the things you actually told people you do. Try them for real, not just on some "Penthouse Letters" shit.
Hell even the old Penthouse letters were more convicing than you. Why? Because instead of a list of "Facts" like you copy and pasted them from a book you read or a video you watched, the letters AT LEAST gave examples of real life experience and situations that happened. Something that VERY FEW of your comments have. It's all talk but NO LIFE.
"Let me give you an example of the other day when I Was with this girl...."
You don't have those? How? When I coached that's like 60% of my communication with students. Not just the advice that I knew, read, studied whatever, but REAL WORLD application. It's impossible for a guy who is playing the game to NOT talk about real examples. This is how I can always spot you keyboard jockeys. It's always copy/paste with occasional claims like, "Yea I'm not that good. I've only slept with 100 or so chicks by now in a few months. You know. Pretty normal." You downplay it then make an exaggerated claim at the same time to try and make is seem like you're not bragging so it makes your fabrication more believable.
But again. The Tale of the Tape - It's just not there. Never is.
But you do you. Maybe you like the praise and attention from guys on the computer more than you do facing your fears, getting out there and challenging youself to become the guy who you've spent so much time creating on the internet to impress other men.
But if not, if you're still spending all day, every day, on seduction forums maybe that's a part of you trying to tell you you want more than you're getting now, but you keep ducking, dodging and hiding from it, and instead keep doing the LARPing thing as at least a distraction and substitution because it's easier to do than admit to youself you still have a long way to go and a ton of challenges to face.
I'm done here. I know the inevitable "reframe 101" comment is incoming but I'm honeslt not interested. You can write it but I'll never read it. But you'll still write it anyway proving everything I just said, that you need the approval and validation of any guys who happen to come across this thread.
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol I've had sex with 80+ women, 4 were first night fucks two ended in long term relationships (so two one night stands). Every other woman I've been with wanted to keep having sex with me, that's why my ONS count is low. That may be less than a natural Chad but who gives a fuck (everybody uses the terms Chad and Tyrone it's fun) I guess you're the only one that does. I fuck quality for longer than a night. I don't hit it and quit it. My current girlfriend (and last) is a model and they bring women around me regularly, four women had their tops off at our house three nights ago. Enjoy thinking that you're better than me lol talking about ego the first comment you made to me was about you going on more dates than me. God you're a loser. Who cares about dates if you're fucking? Like.. are you one of the guys that need to do a date in order to get a new sexual partner. Jeeze that sounds expensive as fuck. This is noob shit. I haven't spent a dime on a woman that I wasn't already fucking in years.
I bet you still ask girls, "can I buy you a drink".
Stay seated bro. Having a list of one night stands that wouldn't respond to you today if you talk to them is not game. That means a lot of women don't want you in their lives or don't want to fuck you again. If you don't want to fuck the girl again then you have a shifty way of picking women. Why have one night stands when you can run plates? Oh the girl you had sex with doesn't want to see you anymore so you have to try and try again. You should not be training dudes.
All these great women you claim you've been with and you still have to try...That's why I asked those questions. This is basic shit. A woman has never hooked you up with one of her friends and you had a relationship with her? That means you suck. This happens to people all the time if you have a good reputation and social network. I feel for the guys you're "training".
I comment here because I was a guy in the PUA community from 2006-8 and I can give some advice since I've had some success and thankfully don't have the opportunism and ego to think I'm "training" guys. Sure I like it when a guy says, "okay that makes sense ill try it", but it seems as though you have the identity attachment of "trainer". I bet you list the types of girls you fucked to the guys you're trying to train just like you did in the first comment like a reactive noob. Lol who the fuck cares.
Thats Ego shit.
Good night noob. Enjoy thinking that you know shit. Just because you've had sex with a girl once on the first night doesn't mean you have game. If she doesn't hit you back up then you suck. Keep on thinking that creeping on a lot of women is game. How many women don't even remember you that you've had sex with? It sounds like way more than most people would like personally.
For real though... a woman never just wanted to fuck you unless you tried a whole bunch? Sad. If women want you they will hit you up. If your expending more energy than the woman then you're try hard. This is basic shit that was going around pre-2010. Like has a one night stand ever hit you back up months later without you trying? There's way too many scenarios I've lived and even mediocre guys live that makes your indignation noobish. For real, women don't try to have sex with you without you putting in more effort than the women and you're training dudes? Have women ever walked up to you and try to hit on you because you were around all these beautiful women you've had sex with? Hell every time I go out with my female friends other women come around. You've never experienced this before? Like... basic basic shit. If you haven't used social proof with multiple beautiful women to have them come to you then you're barely intermediate. Like... have you ever had a female friend talk to girls for you and qualify you without having to say anything? It works and not that difficult if you have a good circle of female friends. Sounds like these experiences have never happened to you. If they have. Why the need to bang on your chest and talk shit to me?
Sounds like you suck.
For real though the amount of creep you did for this pointless comment is telling.
[–]TheDiffer23 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
How to have game
[–]QaWaR 56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Open steam > click on game > buy game > ??? > profit???
[–]NefariousnessNo6085 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yoo fuck outta here man hahaha
[–]Particular_Visual531 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Play on easiest settings first then work your way up to expert!
[–]Lifedeather 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pro tip: wait for a sale so you can buy game easier
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Invest your time in becoming high value.
E: to be more SpEcIfIc - lift, get in shape, develop skills, develop interesting hobbies, be a passionate person, develop social skills and a social group that you lead and who respects you, dont waste your time w video games and porn and drugs and bullshit. Get a job, build a career, train martial arts, learn an instrument, learn a language, read more, dress well, etc etc- basically invest your time in improving yourself and the quality of man you are, and women will chase you.
[–]JACKSONATR 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Lmao such useful and specific advice
[–]RussianBoa 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
For real dude. Look, I WANT to believe you guys. But "women would get my number and pursue me to close" uhhh. Again, I want to believe you.
[–]Daunt02 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Lol my last and current girlfriend asked for my number and initiated exclusivity. Most of my past friends with benefits were the same way. It's not outside of reality.
I've built myself up over 12 years. I was a straight loser from elementary till I was about 21 and I really started to work on it. Didn't really find success, having women ask me out and fuck me, till I was about 27. This shit takes a long time. Literally every woman would say ew when I tried to talk to them when I first went to college. This shit takes way more time than most people expect but it's worth it. Life is good.
[–]JACKSONATR 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok but "work on it" means literally nothing at all. What was wrong with you that you wanted to change? How did you go about changing it?
I couldn't say a word to a woman without sweating and being weird from elementary till I graduated high school. I had panic attacks when I was in a group of three or more people. I began approaching multiple women a day while I was in college and I did that for a year. It took me about a year to lose my virginity. This was when I was around 19-20 years old.
It was pretty much the same until I was 22 and started throwing warehouse parties. Even though I was throwing parties with hundreds of people in attendance my game was still wack. I began to build my social circle and network. I forgot about "seduction" for a while. I built a solid circle of close female friends that I wasn't having sex with (this was a big one because many of them I did end up having sex with years later or hooked me up with friends/threesomes.. I was genuinely friends with them so it wasn't weird). I began working in a career that I love (software) that I was able to use my soft skills that came from game. Ive DJed for about five years now so that's gotten me out of my shell a whole lot.. All this made me known in my city's party/music community and I got a solid amount of social proof from it.
Most of the time my current girlfriend and I are out women are coming up to her regularly (she is fucking beautiful) so it's a regular occurrence for multiple women to be around me. This happened with my last girlfriend and many female friends that I have. It's almost a cheat code. Have multiple beautiful female friends that you're not fucking. It will make meeting more women a whole lot easier. All this has made social situations with women smooth and fun without giving a fuck if they want to fuck me or not over the years. My goal has never been to fuck every girl so I would say my n-count is low compared to maybe a Chad natural but my quality of life is better than I could have expected when I was younger.
This all took about 14-15 years. This shit isn't a ride in the park and it'll take at least a decade to find the quality of you're looking for if you're coming from zero. Women are like the third or fourth most important thing in making a good life. Real talk the best advice I can give is experience in the field, being outcome independent (you really have to not give a fuck about "getting women") and being secure in your life while having good energy.
[–]akawall2 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That advice has been broken down multiple times before in this same sub, but it basically means to focus on yourself and your happiness first.
[–]vedeus 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mean it's pretty much self-explanatiory. Get your money right and you will become a good asset of hers.
[–]JACKSONATR 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao any bitch that wants me for money can go to hell. I’d rather die alone
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It really is the best advice there is. Expanded in original comment. If anyone needs more specific advice hmu
[–]jewishparka 106 points107 points108 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
dog i been grinding the gym for over a year now not focussed on women and i aint got no women giving me nothing just a bunch of dudes fist bumping me but cant complain its been a good life so far
[–]SDdude81 57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Getting fit brings all the boys to the yard.
And they're like, it's better than ours
[–]jewishparka 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
facts man been one of the most wholesome experiences ever cuz people skinny to jacked come up to me during different exercises and its nice cuz i can show them something new and vice versa, its a beautiful environment of everybody trying to improve themselves
[–]Parkins7 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I can teach you, but I have to charge
[–]Eduard415 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
🤣
[–]TheOffice_Account 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Lol, I've been ignoring women for the past two decades now...any day now, they will come beating down my door. Any day now.
[–]gmahogany 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
None of this happened while I was just sitting at home.
[–]TheOffice_Account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Eh, so? Who said I was sitting at home?
[–]Vainistopheles 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You did say they'd be coming to your door.
[–]TheOffice_Account 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]winning2323 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Women do notice... let me tell you i had a lot more female attention when i was fit. Keep putting the work ;)
[–]lana_del_reymysterio 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Funnily enough, for me (M24) it's been the complete opposite since getting into great shape. Women used to be relatively friendly and would even approach from time to time when I was underweight.
Now though they often seem like they're afraid of me or something and don't really engage in conversation, let alone flirt.
Tinder is a completely different story, though.
[–]year2039nuclearwar 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I almost was gonna call BS until you said “underweight” lol
[–]lana_del_reymysterio 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Why?
[–]Daunt02 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
A lot of women like the famished drug addict look.
[–]lana_del_reymysterio 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
True. However, a lot of women like the fit muscular look as well but yet as I said receptiveness from women plummeted after I got in shape
[–]Daunt02 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's weird right? I think dudes need to realize that women operate on different levels than us and there's a good chance they themselves have no idea why it happens. I feel like you still have to have the right vibe to open the door for women to approach you whether skinny or fit. And when you're fit being open yet dominant seems to be the right combo. Closed off and moody seems to work for the skinny boys.
[–]lana_del_reymysterio 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
And when you're fit being open yet dominant seems to be the right combo.
How do you do this?
Like, I have sharp features (jawline, cheek bones) but I talk to women my age in a friendly way, ask them about themselves etc. They never really reciprocate though, they're quite closed off. I am assumed to be a fuckboy quite often if that matters at all (was never the case before I got in shape).
So I'm not quite sure what I need to do to achieve this open yet dominant vibe.
[–]Daunt02 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Hmm. Do you naturally want to be friendly and open? Maybe you actually don't want to and it makes for incongruency. Maybe you want to act more alpha. I'd just be a little more raw in what you want to do and the way you talk to people. Maybe throw out a little neg if a woman around you expresses behavior you don't want. Try different things. Try being aloof and hard to pay attention to what she's saying, sometimes that works. Your combination is probably a mix of a lot of things.
I really can't speak on dominance because naturally I'm soft and agreeable but it's my natural state so it makes me congruent. I don't see the need to be dominant for my life, my lane is more providing space for other people to have fun. I still don't hide my intentions and I'm pretty open but I don't like drama. I wish I could help a little more but it sounds like there's aspects of your personality you haven't expressed and experienced in public yet.
Maybe tell women with a strong voice about what you want them to do. Most women like complying when it's giving with confidence and it's somewhat obvious that she's into you.
Sounds like you got the looks department down though. Just try different, maybe ridiculous, ways to socialize. It'll be more fun.
[–]gmahogany 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
All this happened when I was out alone. Of course fitness helps, but it's more about the vibe. I see good looking guys in great shape out at the bars solo all the time, and they often have a really bad vibe. It's like you can tell they're lonely and dying to meet someone. Then you see other guys chillin with a drink solo and shooting the shit with the bartender or random people, and they seem like they're just out to have a good time.
[–]No_Load_7183 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What's your age? Since I'm younger I feel as though this wouldn't happen to me.
[–]gmahogany 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
29
[–]coolwater85 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're in good shape. I had the same epiphany around the same age. Now I'm 40, married with kids, and I still get approached by women. At some point, it just clicks.
[–]gmahogany 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
How old were you when you met your wife? What was life like for the year or so before you met?
[–]coolwater85 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I had some successes before it clicked for me, but I didn’t understand the circumstances, situations, or what I was doing (the “why”) that made those successes happen. It clicked for me when I was 24, and in the 2 years before I met my wife, it was full of women who would essentially be perusing me rather than me chasing tail. I would focus on hanging with my friends more than trying to get laid. I dabbled in lots of different hobbies I always wanted to try but didn’t because I would find some reason to stop me from doing it (I don’t have the money, or the time, or the know how, or whatever). I traveled to another continent, I bought a motorcycle, I randomly decided to drive to Vegas on a whim, stopped in a town where I knew a girl, and she made me stay there and hid me from her boyfriend. I slept with engaged women, single women, bisexual women, foreign women, outdoorsy women, country women, posh, women I worked with, etc. but I didn’t get into a relationship, because none of them would be compatible with me in a relationship. I respected all of them and didn’t treat them like just another lay, but I also didn’t get all mushy-lovey-dubby about them either because that would have been fake. I just wanted to have fun, and that’s exactly what I told them. If they didn’t want to have fun, that was okay too. I wouldn’t “next” them, but I also wouldn’t try to convince them either. I just moved on to the next fun thing.
[–]No_Load_7183 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
About 9 more years for me ig lol
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There is something intoxicating about a man who really really doesn't care about getting women and the kicker is it can never be faked.
[–]babajisbro 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Watch what happens when you're in a happy, sexually-satisfying relationship...girls will start checkin' you out everywhere and hitting you up out of nowhere.
Self-confidence and 'not caring of the outcome' are still two very underrated qualities in a person.
[–]MuMuGorgeus 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Did you make eye contact with the ones that approached you, or it was completely out of nowhere?
[–]gmahogany 18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Mostly out of nowhere.
[–]MuMuGorgeus 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
That is so unbelievable hahahaha
I know, I’ve never had this sort of thing happen before.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
5 in one weekend though? Were you focused cause of a confidence high, stimulant, booze + combo, or something?
[–]gmahogany 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If I noticed any other factor I would’ve posted it.
[–]Automatic_Beautiful9 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I cold approach even when I dont make eye contact before.
[–]LandscapeClear1630 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
are they the kind of women you find attractive?
[–]gmahogany 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
How do I put this. They are the right age and general fitness level id say, but I only found 2 really attractive. One was the bartender, other was one of the bar girls. I initiated with the bartender, the one cute bar girl actually offered to buy me a drink and came outta nowhere. I would not hook up with the other 5.
[–]LandscapeClear1630 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
not bad tho
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I had a bar girl buy me a drink, but she was like a 3. I didn't think it meant anything. I was like thanks. She acted sort of nervous and brought over a beer and said "here, this one's on me". I've had women buy me drinks in bars and stuff, and I'm not some insanely hot chad, I'm above average and in shape.
https://i.imgur.com/ii6hoDs.jpg
[–]TheOffice_Account 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is that your belt, or are you just happy to see me?
Belt, haha, I have 6.1" girth, you'd know if it was that.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Bicep vein or shadow? You look like a fitter version of me lmao. Mixed w andy dalton. Sounds like youre doing great. Id say dress better like a button down but if u dgaf doesnt really matter.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Vein, I get really vascular. Yeah, I'm starting to dress better, that was just some quick pics I took for my photographer to have an idea of the outfits I was gonna wear.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Fuck w a beard if you can grow one too. Maybe a full sleeve? And some killer shades. And a nice watch. Ok no more ginger cousin dress up lmao. Keep crushin bro.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I grow a huge beard, actually. I wish I had my 2010 Appalachian Trail summit pic, giant mountain man beard. I look far better clean shaven, though.
I have tattoos, but not a full sleeve, my Iraq Campaign Medal and caduceus. Usually wear long sleeves, though.
[–]pokemonpokemonmario[🍰] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Now this makes sense I thought you were bullshiting till I read this comment.
[–]NiNj4_C0W5L4Pr 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Master game: ignoring women bugs the hell outta them! It denies them their vanity and they enjoy "winning" your attention that much more. Guys who give women attention and praise and flood their DM's with compliments DLV. If you view yourself as the prize women will notice you DHV'ing. Value is subjective. What isn't subjective is what you truly believe about yourself. Your posture betrays your inner thoughts. If you think you're the greatest, you'll carry yourself like Ali. If you believe you're worthless you will send that vibe into the world.
This is the way.
[–]gmahogany 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It had nothing to do with confidence for me. I’ve always been comfortable with who I am and even in long dry spells I never lost confidence. I just stopped thinking about it. Would be more accurate to say the thought stopped appearing in my mind. I can’t take credit for actively doing something.
Now that I think about it, i think it’s because I truly like my single life now. I do what I want, when I want, and I love the freedom to come and go as I please. It doesn’t feel like anything’s missing. If a girl comes along, cool. But I’m totally content with my life as it is today.
This could change again next week I have no idea.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You must be good looking then
[–]gmahogany 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, probably. But my looks did nothing for me for the last couple years until last weekend.
[–]danny8007 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you went to the bar alone? Or how did they approach you?
[–]gmahogany 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Always go alone and talk to strangers. I wrote how for most of it already but in short: One told me she spilled her drink and said she needed a new one and bought me one. Another said "hi, I feel like we're making weird eye contact", I said "I didn't notice", she said something like "well maybe it was just me checking you out". Another said something about my shirt, don't even remember, and two were talking to me while they ordered drinks next to me for their groups.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yea why is this not being talked about? That’s why they approached you, nothing to do with anything else. If you’re good looking at a bar drunk women will approach you.
[–]gmahogany 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then why has this pretty much never happened before last weekend?
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Either you’re lying or u did something to further increase ur attractiveness level.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i was actually going to make a post today about this same thing, but didnt know which forum. ill prolly post it then. but youre exactly right, your energy changes. they can tell it.
[–]williamroberthoss 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This all sounds very zen. Lol. When you stop trying it will just click ?? But you can’t fake it?? You’ll just know?? Hope to find this space I’ll let ya know when it happens.
Again I wasn't able to do any of this on purpose. I've been filling my time with stuff I enjoy and have been having fun meeting people. I always felt like something was missing without a woman. I knew it was bad to think that way, but I couldn't help it. Then out of nowhere I realized that void/sense of dread was just gone. I remember thinking to myself "hey that's nice, I'm not bummed about girls right now". Then didn't think anything of it until the weekend hit. Then I thought waaaait a minute have I been wreaking of desperation this whole time?! Why are girls talking to me so much right now?
[–]comfortboner 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
When it rains it pours, and when it’s dry it’s the desert. Enjoy my guy
[–]gmahogany 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm still technically in a a dry spell. 2 girls in the last year. One was a year ago, one was ~3 months ago. But I don't feel like I'm in a dry spell.
[–]RussianBoa 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Congrats, first of all. But you're not telling the whole story. "Just don't care, bro!" - means nothing. You said the 5 girls came up to you. Be more specific: How did these women approach? What did they say to you?
[–]GeeseCTM 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
He also said in another comment that 5 of the girls were ugly LOL. This is a shitpost for real. It's sad what kind of posts get upvoted in this "seduction" group.
Yep, it's definitely not "seduction", this might be the wrong sub or not even worth posting. But it's a huge change in the attention I'm getting from women seemingly overnight when my appearance and habits stayed the same. Only difference was in my head.
[–]GeeseCTM -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THAT'S better.
Context.
I think guys need to clarify. You need to put it into the post maybe next time, something about no guys this is not the end I'll be all of me getting laid but this is a great stepping stone and I've learned something new about XYZ.
Because inadvertently, when newer guys read this post you know what it's going to tell them? They're going to go out and try and pretend and think they're confident and no women are going to approach them and they're going to wonder what the f*** is wrong with them how come it works for that other guy and it's not working for me which will make them feel worse.
I just have a bone you pick with bad information because I've had guys call me on the phone freaking out, completely freaking out because they couldn't meet women, and they felt like failures, and they were massively depressed and had anxiety about it, and I've had students that came to me back when I used to coach, that I had to bring out of things like social anxiety and help them heal so they can get out and meet women.
And if those guys came to me and I gave them bad advice I'm causing damage to people who are already hurt.
I don't think it's you per se, I think it's just the way that Reddit is, and it's a bad system for seduction knowledge, because most of the upvoting comes from very inexperienced guys, and so they're voting what they're familiar with and not what works.
[–]RussianBoa 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don’t be mean about it though. Maybe he liked how they looked. I like me voluptuous girls for example- that many guys would consider “fat”.
No I'm talking to the guy, I think that this is a discovery post and he just worded it weird to make it sound like this was some sort of salad game.
Really, he was just discovering that if he has a certain mindset and attitude that will increase his chances of at least opening the door to attracting women. So it's a very basic post, but unfortunately the way it's written and the way guys are taking it, you're going to have a bunch of guys going around standing against the wall trying to feel and look cool and women aren't going to approach them and they're going to wonder why.
[–]CalvinHobb3s 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is bullshit
[–]PoroPorn 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's all about being non-needie when it comes to attracting girls, and when you focus on the girl instead of yourself you put her before you and that's needy. Highly recommend the book "models" by Mark Mason, that put so many aspects right for me
[–]FaithInStrangers94 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Well you care enough to spend most your weekend at bars and places hoping to meet women tho right? When I go through phases where I really don’t care I barely bother going out at all
[–]gmahogany 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t go to a bar with all men so sure I’m putting myself in situations where I might meet women intentionally. I still want to have sex with attractive women, but it doesn’t feel like a need Im failing to fulfill. I used to feel like I was starving.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah understandable, I just feel like this message gets misinterpreted sometimes where guys get told not to chase and just to keep doing their thing and working on themselves - and they do but then wonder why they aren’t meeting many women - and it’s because they’re only out and about once a month (I was in that same category) so it’s important to remember that whilst being outcome independent is the goal, it’s not actually going to help much if you’re never in a position to meet anyone (or if you’re not a very desirable person in the 1st place)
[–]Hot-Construction-811 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
right on brotha. early july got out of a short term relationship and by end of july i was talking to a girl firstly online and in real life. when we first met I was like don't give a fuck attitude. totally swearing and sat really relaxed which is totally opposite to before when I was meeting girls on the first date. 2 months later we are still together in fact planning a holiday over the summer. i don't know what gives but not giving a fuck actually works.
..... I can't even stomach these posts. Where's Formhandle to move this post to the reading impaired section to be ridiculed when you need him? Masf - RIP
How old are you
[–]lonelyshark911 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for the post - think im in a similar spot to you
[–]chongmc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A friend once told me that if you stop looking, they will flock to you so I guess that is somewhat true.
I always thought that was bullshit. Like anything else, if you want something you take the steps to get it. But my experience seems to back up that advice. This was only one weekend, maybe it was a fluke and maybe nothing will come of any of this and I'll be sad and lonely again soon. It doesn't seem like I'm in control of how I feel about all this, and how I feel seems to dictate how women act around me. time will tell.
[–]chongmc 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I should have added that is how I met my husband! I was all ready to party, play the fields, have a lover or two but, my husband nipped that in the bud. We are both Army vets and survived two deployments, him gone to both. Right before he left on the second one we had a house fire and lost everything and had to start over. About a month after we were somewhat settled, he went to Bosnia for 9 months. Through ups and downs, a few surgeries each, still together. So… who knows..
[–]StraightFlight 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Either way, fucking congrats on that stroke of luck!
[–]TempAcc64 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Trying to get there myself. My issue is I want to understand why it works.
[–]JacobMoogberg69 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women are attracted to a man who is complete. A man who doesn't need anything. I guess if you've read Models, Mark Manson says that a man who is not needy is automatically very attractive.
So when you stop looking, when the thought of how to get women stops obsessively entering your mind every few seconds, it is like, okay, this man doesn't need anything anymore. He has everything he wants or needs. And they want to attach themselves to someone like this.
But if you subconsciously feel that you are lacking in anything, your attractiveness decreases substantially.
[–]TempAcc64 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes "needy = repulsive" I've heard all this before.
[–]duffy_stone 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm curious how the vibe and conversations are when you're not the one chasing, how would you say the conversation and attraction build up when you have this mindset.
Convos flow so much easier. I talk way less and only if I have something to say. I feel like I'm usually trying to impress the girl and maintain the conversation with stories or some shit. Some of it seems to just be how compatible you are with the person. There are some people I just can't talk to.
You must be damn good looking. Agree and you’re right, not caring gives better vibes but also, concentrating on yourself, things just fall into place. This has helped me (still more to work on) but damn, 7 girls and 3 bar girls, nah man that’s not just not caring. Natural looks also man. Good share tho and you are right
[–]freespirit1963TJ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nailed it!
[–]Altokation 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This advice should really be taken with a grain of salt
[–]MattDynamite 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the key to being attractive. It's rather intangible but, when you don't care, you simply change the way you carry and express yourself. Your whole body language change for the better and you seem more care fun and fun to be around. Glad to hear!
[–]ScienceIntelligent 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, we can kinda smell desperation and apparently cool guys are just, idk, cooler 🤷♀️ Jk 😂
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