The 20 Lessons to Learn in Your 20s About Women and Dating or Be Single Forever

readonlyuser · 2013-10-22T13:43:07+00:00

While the lessons this article provides are definitely good ones, I have some beef with the "or Be Single Forever" bit in the title - it implies that women are either a goal or a means to happiness. This, in turn, puts the woman on a pedestal, which is something the very article argues against.

I like pointing out discrepancies. :3

nosleepatall · 2013-10-22T09:13:28+00:00

Perhaps it's just me, but why do so many writers feel the need to illustrate their articles with Mr Handsome Guy and some beauty shots? It's off-putting because I automatically think "if I'd look that good, game would change to easy mode".

JodumScrodum · 2013-10-22T13:27:38+00:00

"and boring sex to the point where Breaking Bad and Game of Thrones is more pleasurable than sex.."

Well these shows are pretty fucking awesome...

JosephCharles · 2013-10-22T11:34:01+00:00

I'm 30 and single, no hope for me right?

Ansonm64 · 2013-10-22T17:07:48+00:00

Only read because it said I'd be single forever if I didn't.

Atwotonhooker · 2013-10-22T17:30:01+00:00

I honestly feel like this article--while it did bring up some good points--was overall just bullshit.

why_downvote_facts · 2013-10-22T14:01:28+00:00

Some points are good in this article but some are flat out wrong and has a lot of stupid pua notions mainly #1 that looks and money are social constructs and don't matter much (beyond grabbing attention). Hold the fuck up; this shit is deep rooted in our psyche and has nothing to do with social constructs (and does not make it any less legit even it was).

Yea looks are put on blast in our media but regardless, a woman would rather have a good looking partner than an ugly one and has nothing to do with societal constructs (its in our nature to want most majestic genes even if we don't want kids). Money, yes is a construct in the sense that it is generally a man-made paper representation of value, but going back to instincts--to be in possession of a lot of money is a representation of high survival value (not a construct) which is pretty valuable for a girl wanting to start a family (who wants to worry if your house is being foreclosed). Thus this isn't simply attention grabbing, it is good for retention of a girl cause she thinks you will be ideal for a potential provider for her family

Than being said, you can still get by girls without money and looks but it is harder. But don't fool yourself and act like the playing field is equal with game. You need to max out everything about yourself: Good career, style, hygiene, coolness.

ContemplativeOctopus · 2013-10-22T21:53:11+00:00

If you live in an area where beautiful women are scarce (small suburban city) then yes this will make it hard for you to ask her out

fuck

AJam · 2013-10-22T14:25:46+00:00

I'm surprised this article is so well-accepted. To me it's mostly bullshit unrealistic advice. Most of the points ask you to be something you're not. "Be this and do that". That's already wrong. Be who you are and rock the shit out of it. Do what you enjoy because life is too short to be doing things you don't. If you genuinely enjoy your life with what little you have, then you'll stop worrying about what you don't have and those things will come. Life is a paradox.

HanksNeckBeard · 2013-10-22T12:43:27+00:00

Is the Knowledge for Men Guide worth putting my email at risk? Is it just junk mail or is it the real deal?

Omaralsobky · 2013-10-22T19:00:38+00:00

Amazing article!! Than you so much for writing

technosailor · 2013-10-22T19:48:59+00:00

Generally not a fan of PUA articles but I'll accept this one as it was more about being a better man than getting the girl.

SSolus · 2013-10-23T08:44:19+00:00

This article was GodLIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIKE

tRon_washington · 2013-10-22T07:09:13+00:00

Great article. Expands on points very well.

Misterpuppy · 2013-10-22T07:27:55+00:00

This is a terrible article filled with terrible advice.

Also: first love is magical because it usually ends abruptly and dramatically. If it had the ability to fade out and become real (and then boring, mundane, whatever), that person would still be a person and not an object of desire.

STOP FALLING FOR THESE IDIOTIC MENTAL TRAPS THAT SELL BOOKS/GENERATE AD REVENUE, KEEP YOU ACTUALLY SINGLE AND DERAIL EMOTIONAL GROWTH IN NATURAL WAYS.

"Do you know what the pedestal does? It allows women to recline into the comfort you lavish them with, put their foot on your mouth that gives too many damn compliments, buys too many gifts, always being available and lets her walk all over you. Too early man..." FACT: NO WOMAN OVER 11 THINKS LIKE THIS. Treating a woman like an object and not like a human being AT ANY STAGE is creepy and off-putting. She's not walking all over you because you're a "wuss," she's deflecting your attention in a passive-aggressive way that she hopes will make you not interested.

"High quality women only date high quality men." NOPE. This is crap pseudopsychology. Both terms are subjective and are used by the author to erode your confidence and buy into his schtick. You can be a man of value and still be an annoying creep with all the markers of positive trappings AVAILABLE and in the end, unless she is overtly using you for access to these trappings, you will be an annoying (albeit wealthy) little creep. FUN FACT: THIS IS LITERALLY WHY PORSCHE JOKES EXIST.

"Girls like guys who make moves like Jagger." HAHAHAHAHAHA. NO. That's a shit song written by a slimy creep who repels women who are not set up with him by their agents, looking for drugs/red carpet access and/or already share the same STDs.

Think about it. The people in this post are all stock models. If you actually dated one of them, 90 percent of your time would be dedicated to helping them not eat, juice kale, go to the gym, tell them that they're pretty enough for the next stock model shoot, avoiding carbs, avoiding sun, avoiding meat/cheese/snacks. Plus she's definitely fucking her agent or photographer... not even because she wants to but because that's just how you get the next gig. Oh and not eating for YEARS and being judged only on your looks makes models/actresses/waitresses/pilates instructors super dumb, super insecure and super super irritating. You'd have more fun painting a wall and watching it dry. I'm not even exaggerating.

Do things that you enjoy that get you out of the house and you will not need instruction guides on manipulation that put you, the reader, down when pretending to give you guidance. This is a bigger racket than women's fashion magazines. Don't fall for it.

joshsway · 2013-10-22T16:23:39+00:00

article is ok. very repetitive but some good stuff in there. Site is too spammy for my taste though. if I ever have a pop up on my site you guys have permission to hunt me down.

joshsway · 2013-10-22T16:36:12+00:00

Is the site down?

Hrel · 2013-10-22T18:14:24+00:00

Holy shit, talk about double standards. That was a great article but essentially it's saying "be perfect, be everything, be the world". Women just get to live in it? I think it's right, but what a mind fuck, feminists are clearly out of their fucking minds.

notlurkinganymoar · 2013-10-22T19:56:41+00:00

Great find. Although the the headline is "clickworthy," these tips work for anyone, in their 20s or 30s or 40s or w/e. It's just harder to learn these things as you get older. All classic advice. Personally, I have trouble with 7 and 8. Bookmarked and will read again.

visceralballistic · 2013-10-22T20:09:48+00:00

Ignoring the stock images, ads, and alarmist put downs (which are inherent in many of these sites), I think this article has merit simply because of the number of important seduction/self-improvement concepts it covers.

I like when he asks the readers to imagine situations where they are treated the same way as the girl. That's an often overlooked perspective in this community.

Does anyone have any citations on the study where they found that guys' attractiveness depended much more on how they ranked themselves than on how others ranked them? I know I've seen it before.

GuideGhost · 2013-10-23T02:21:26+00:00

I lot of this seems blatantly ripped off from RSD. A lot of the headings are exactly the same (word for word) as the ones used in The Blueprint.

DikembeNONONO · 2014-01-17T00:25:36+00:00

why does he say let them know youre interested right away, but then says be a challenge. doesn't this contradict itself

O3EAN · 2013-10-22T07:14:07+00:00

Game of thrones over sex any day XD

SnackyPack · 2013-10-22T16:13:34+00:00

Its funny how when tall guys are confident and alpha its OK... Yet when short guys do the same.. We have "Napoleon complex". Fuck you, bitch. =)

2013-10-22T20:22:00+00:00

Didn't bother reading the article, these articles all say the same thing.. came to comment on the brutal title. Does anybody else notice how ill put and wordy that title is? Jeez, what a nightmare.

t_11 · 2013-10-23T02:21:42+00:00

The fuck is this shit.Looks like spam mail.

Me_llamo_Carolina · 2013-10-22T19:19:25+00:00

If you want to take a girl out and you just tell her let’s go to the new Italian restaurant and she responds, “Ugghhhh”, “Mehhhh”, or “Ummm, ok” she is already bored…The better alternative would be to grab her and sweep her off her feet. Say something with bravado like: “Be ready by 7pm! We’re going to experience Italy tonight.” In this scene, she’s thinking: “O-M-G! this is new and exciting. What dress will I wear?” You cannot logically explain your way to sweep a woman off their feet. It’s done through emotions.

Does that sound sexist to anyone else... or is it just me?

shopdog3g · 2013-10-22T07:51:03+00:00

Haha guys who need to read this will never become the men its written about. You have it or you don't.

Title	The 20 Lessons to Learn in Your 20s About Women and Dating or Be Single Forever
Author	atmosphere13
Upvotes	669
Comments	118
Date	October 22, 2013 3:42 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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