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[–]Monkey_Jerk 111 points112 points113 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
It's always someone on here saying they know a deformed 5'2" Indian janitor who gets laid like crazy, it's never "I am that 5'2" Indian janitor who gets laid like crazy".
Inb4 someone comes in claiming they're ugly and get mad pussy bro.
[–]KingRead 63 points64 points65 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That deformed 5'2" Indian getting laid like crazy doesn't need this subreddit
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If a guy is getting laid constantly despite being ugly, he's probably not browsing here.
If a guy is ugly and uses advice from here to become successful with women, he's probably done a thing or two to improve his looks and is no longer ugly.
[–]Lambdal7 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
There are posts bt these guys on here ALL THE TIME. Here an example of exactly the guy that OP describes https://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/841a5b/what_ive_learned_after_9_years_in_the_game/dvmlvlg/?context=3
[–]Do-it-for-you 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This guy is neither ugly or short and he knows that, he goes straight into how attractiveness matters by telling the readers to get a good haircut, he's 5'10 and wears boots to make himself look 6'1, smelling good, dressing nice, etc. Quite literally the only "Unattractive" thing about this guy is he's Indian, but if he's a good looking Indian then it won't stop him from getting laid.
[–]bdog666 18 points19 points20 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i smoke crack with no teeth and ride my bike to my probation office. laycount: 3769
[–]nuxxi 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why not 6969?
[–]bdog666 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
one day ill get to that level, need more crack
[–]Chabubu 33 points34 points35 points 8 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Any time I hear someone talking about their lay count, I immediately assume they are going for quantity over quality and I don't get impressed.
Any guy that dates 10s doesn't need to talk about numbers. Anyone bragging about numbers is doing 6s or below. Why?
Because you don't do 100 one night stands with 100 different 10s. You date them for awhile, which means you're not burning through women as frequently.
[–]dudeman1345 15 points16 points17 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Honestly anyone that brags about their lay count comes off as seeking validation. Its like good job bro do you want a medal?
[–]Motecuzma 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A Pussy medal. Medal made of pussy. Whichever please.
[–]orezavi 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The quality over quantity argument is correct.
Also, one mans 10 is another mans 6.
[–]kellykebab 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Because you don't do 100 one night stands with 100 different 10s.
Why not? No one does this?
You date them for awhile, which means you're not burning through women as frequently.
Again why? And hey, maybe the guy is banging 100 6s and 7s. That's believable and still fairly impressive. They don't have to be 10s, which are practically impossible, and essentially like 1/10,000 humans alive.
[–]somewhatintrigued 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No one does that?
Yup, because catering to insecure 10s is exhausting (i.e. won't fulfill all your needs even though you feel like you're working 24/7) even if your game is on fire and 10s who have standards usually aren't the ONS types (also most of the time in a relationship duh).
[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Believe me, I'm fairly sure OP's friend has not banged 100 actual 10s. But this guy claimed that no one bangs 10s, they date them. Dating 10s sounds much harder than just pumping and dumping. I'd assume a guy with imperfect game would be more likely to fuck a few than hang onto them long term and date them.
[–]TheBetterManZA 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Dating 10s is easier than pumping and dumping. Most 10s have been hit on enough to know when a guy is angling for a quick shag and will intentionally put on the breaks unless all they want is a ONS (and let's be real, most girls want relationships). Basically hotter girls can leverage their attractiveness for relationships more often. (I have been friends with 3 girls over my life who have model/Hollywood level looks and they always pushed for relationships).
Girls that are 5 or less know that they gotta take what they can get, just like any dude that's less than a 7.
[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Hmmm. If I am understanding you right, basically 10s have enough social control that they will virtually never get pumped and dumped? So if they are sufficiently into a guy at all, they will succeed in getting him in a relationship of at least a month or whatever? And all but the most skilled guys will not be able to lead the 10 on and duck out after fucking her once or twice?
Are those your claims?
[–]TheBetterManZA 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Most of the 10s I have met and become friends with have either experienced situations where a guy just wants sex enough to be able to read the vibe and decide if they want a ONS/fling or not, and when a girl knows she can get dick whenever she wants, she'll angle for the relationship more often or not. At least this is how it is in a more conservative country, not the US or the more liberal parts of the EU.
[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Ah. What part of the world is your experience in?
Edit: And by the way, most of what you've said makes sense. The only thing I'm not sure about is why would a 10 be any more able to read the intentions of a guy than a 6 would be? Isn't it possible that a guy could pump and dump a 10 simply by leading her on?
[–]Chabubu 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No one does this?
No one spending time on these subs.
[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ha, well I'm sure that's true. But by the same token, I don't think anyone here is dating 10s either. And dating a 10 sounds harder than just banging a bunch of them once, actually.
[–]CollaterLDamage 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The issue is that many who come here have a lay count of zero.
Think if it was basketball. One guy is keeping track of how often he lands 3 pointers. A high average looks good, especially when you can't land a 3 for your life. But then you take a step back and see he lands 3's when he goes for them but rarely wins games. He goes for the 3 but only the sure thing and isn't willing to risk missing for the game.
That's the same here. Lay counts are impressive if you don't have a count to speak of. But not too many are willing to gamble on the bigger fish
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Basically covered in Models. Agreed.
[–]nonsass 13 points14 points15 points 8 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
tbh, looks are super important. 'game' isn't some sort of black magic lol. It's just being social and not being awkward. You can't MAKE girl attracted to you with push/pull and some negs and kino.
She needs to be into your look before you can use 'game' to give you an edge.
Not saying you need to be Leo DiCaprio, but she needs to find you physically attractive
Looks give you attraction. The rest of it is just a matter of escalating. Good looks is pickup on super duper easy mode
[–]BrowardBoi 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, I'm glad I'm not my buddy due to his looks, but he would literally go through all 4 years of college banging good looking chicks and his looping motto was "every girl wants to get laid by a dog at least once" he internalized his game and it showed results. It honestly comes down to your game with chicks. Maybe they were all ditzy and didn't know what they wanted, who the fuck knows, the take-away is persistence in going out for the purpose of getting laid and self-confidence. After that, the cosmos will decide.
Also, broke af, lived on student loans, and his dad was a taxi driver, so yeah, he had nothing working for him other than his persistence and optimism, it's internal game yo, maybe even a little bit of his own ignorance.
[–]crawleydown 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Break his game down for me out of interest. Was he serious and sexual? Fun and self amusing? James bond game? Mystery method magic tricks? Aloof? etc etc. Give me an idea of how an open/transition/pull would look for him on a cold approach
I've only ever known good looking dudes actually do well from cold approach in bars tobh, but i'll take you at your word and assume you're not tricking us lol
[–]plowzedong 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
And 80% of looks is controllable.
Conversation over
[–]kellykebab 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Definitely not true. I would put it closer to 20%.
Attractiveness, in my view, is dependent on 1) facial features, and 2) physical proportions.
Even with really significant plastic surgery, facial features are very difficult to change naturally (if not impossible), partly because they are the result of bone structure and very fine fat and collagen deposits as well as subtle musculature. Faces are very hard to alter and they are the most significant aspect of attractiveness by far.
Physical proportion (not mere weight or breast size) is probably the second most important characteristic, although it's definitely below face. Proportion is based again on bone structure and skeleton, as well as fat deposits and muscle insertions/sizes. Also height has a major impact on proportion.
These bodily qualities are all either completely unalterable (e.g. height) or merely very difficult to improve (e.g. muscle mass). You cannot change how your body carries fat, you can only regulate the overall amount of fat.
I think we have all seen overweight women with relatively thinner, pretty faces, an (enlarged) hourglass figure with proportionate breasts and ass. This woman might be fat, but she can still be fairly desirable. However, take another woman at roughly the same weight and body fat percentage, but with an excessively bloated, fat-retaining, unattractive face and a disproportionate figure with small, flat breasts and lumpy, uncurvy midsection.
The difference between these women is partly due to diet/gym routine, but mostly due to inflexible genetics.
One's face is almost impossible to change. Makeup might take you from a 5 to a weak 7. One's body is more open to change, but there are still very significant limits. The best gym routine in the world might add another point (maybe) to that same individual. But that's best case scenario.
No 3 will ever become a 9 given current technology. Virtually impossible. No amount of styling, makeup, or pilates classes will make this woman attractive.
[–]plowzedong 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was talking about men
[–]kellykebab 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men's facial features and physical proportions are no more flexible than women's. My argument applies to men just as easily as women. Just imagine different examples.
If anything, women have more styling options than men. There is no male equivalent to the relatively radical game changer that is makeup.
[–]nonsass 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
More like 30% i'd say. Good looks is really about bone structure. The things that 'hurt' peoples looks the most can only be altered with surgery, although I guess in that sense it is STILL sort of controllable (as long as you have a hell of a lot of money and don't mind the risk of surgery)
[–]plowzedong -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Alright dude.
Have fun being preoccupied over things you can't control, blowing them out of proportion, and jacking off to porn.
[–]nonsass 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol
[–]JusKeepinItReal 48 points49 points50 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Gonna have to disagree.
First of all i find it weird that you would know how many women your friend had slept with not to mention how he met everyone of them. So excuse me if im finding it hard to belive.
Second while i do think that it is possible that any guy can date any girl if they say the perfect thing, the chances of anyone knowing what that is, is extremely improbable.
Third, looks aren't everything but they do play a part. Think about it: Would you date a girl who you find unattractive but she has a great personality? Probably not. You don't have to be Brad Pitt (Or whoever women find attractive now) but people want to be in a relationship with some they find attractive.
[–]Trick3 20 points21 points22 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ryan Gosling is the new Brad Pitt
[–]BrowardBoi 6 points7 points8 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
He's a software engineer and probably a tad intelligent, maybe his intelligence lies in probabilities, a natural talent at picking up behaviour and body language, and social cues. We're people, we give off a lot about ourselves without ever having to open our mouths. Dive beneath the surface and you'll find there's more than just words or looks. Timing, tailoring your emotinal responses to them, kino, the game is way more than looks bro. I'm not even good at it, but even I know that.
[–]JusKeepinItReal 7 points8 points9 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't matter how good your game is if you look like sloth.
[–]BrowardBoi 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well his premise was looks aren't everything, so you're not arguing against anybody here. There's extremes in any scenario.
[–]CleanWholesomePhun 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Being able to scan the room and tell which women look like they want to meet someone that night is the most bankable attribute of them all, tbh. If OP's friend is decent at that, sky's the limit.
[–]I_Luv_Procastinating 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Every one of these factors are important. For those that say one of these is not important, then theyre lying to themselves. Improve yourself in at least one and your overall sexual market value (SMV) will increase, which will get you higher quality women, higher odds of success, and a greater amount of women.
For example, you could be ugly as fuck with zero game but still be banging hot girls if you got a shit ton of money and/or have an awesome social circle. This explains how average chode guys with no game can still laid.
[–]powerslave118 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fashion and social circles are NOT important for so many people.
Income is important to a degree... but, some people learn to sacrifice and are very well off on a smaller income and still can afford the things they need in life.
For example, you could be a backpacker, temporarily homeless, living out of a bag with one or two changes of clothes and still have success. Backpackers are often poorer (after travelling for awhile anyway), limited with fashion and often solo travellers without much of a social circle.
I agree on the others though.
[–]ktorr1546 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Totally understand that this seems far-fetched. Before meeting that guy, I would have thought the same thing. Just wanted to address each point.
(First Point) What motivation would I have to lie to you? I am not promoting some dating advice company or trying to make myself feel better. I feel worse about myself when I see that guy crushing it, and I am getting mediocre results. I am only trying to motivate guys on here to go out work on themselves.
(Second Point) It isn't about saying the perfect thing, it's about the way that you communicate. You can some very mundane things, but if you communicate in such a way that shows core confidence, you're gonna do well. This is a major component of evolutionary psychology. Core confidence shows that you are a leader who can deal with adversity. That is the single most important quality that makes a man attractive.
(Third Point) You are right, I would not date an unattractive girl with a great personality. Female attraction does not work the same way though. Being an ugly dude is a disadvantage for sure, but if you can show that you are a confident leader, the ugliness can be overcome. I would recommend a book called "The Female Brian" to learn more about female psychology.
[–]JusKeepinItReal 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe you're not lying to me but lying to yourself. Or maybe you really believe this and in that case your friend was either 1) lying to you or 2) banging extrememly ugly women.
Once again many factors go into it. I've talked to women who say they reject guys they find attractive and confident all the time. Im sure you see a guy who's confident and talks to all the women but doesn't get every single one of them
Yeah female attraction works different but it's not like looks are just nothing. If you truly belive that i've got some bayside property to sell you in kansas
[–]Lord_Augastus 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Looks are only important to get that easy ife breaker and intitial convo staryed. After that its your personality and words that carry the connection. Guys who complain about looks, dont want to dress up well, work on their fitness, posture, smile, converstional and flirting skills. Getting girls phone numbers is one thing, approaching girls with intentions of only getting laid is another, picking the right battle is half the fun.
[–]JimBeamAndCoke2016 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Guys who complain about looks, dont want to dress up well, work on their fitness, posture, smile, converstional and flirting skills.
Maybe for guys who couldn't give a shit, but for others of us it couldn't be further from the truth. I fixed what I could, which was basically everything listed above, and guess what? No difference.
Obviously I'm then going to question what else it could be. As my looks are the only thing that haven't changed, I have to consider it as what is holding me back.
[–]Lord_Augastus 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
how is your personality, your attitude towards women, your intentions?
if you are just approach basic openers, jokes, and trying to get laid you get a cold shoulder. charisma, outgoing friendliness, charm are not exclusive to attractive faces
[–]plowzedong 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This sub has become a circle jerk of virgins telling each other that it's ok to not take action.
If a guy can't handle being told to get his shit together, he can't handle gaming an attractive woman.
[–]GuyFromDaStore 5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Looks are a lot! Example. I went to the bank with my scraggly clothes and long hair. The teller did her business and didn't even say much other than thank you and such.
A week later I had a haircut, a nice dark grey shirt and a blazer and dress belt. The EXACT SAME TELLER smiled like crazy and greeted me in a rather unusually friendly manner.
So at the very least looks get you in the door, so quit wearing cargo pants and sandals with socks and put on some nicer clothing.
[–]Aeon199 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You only mention clothes.
But what about face and body type (if you're thin, with arms like twigs... seems my forearms are a turnoff to women, who mostly want the "big strong type" and not much can be done about tiny wrists/forearms)?
[–]JimBeamAndCoke2016 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Ok. Guilty as charged. I'm one of those who believes that looks play a huge part in attracting women and that my lack of attractiveness is mostly why I don't get results. This is from previous negative comments and a general lack of interest from women.
However I would like to believe that this isn't the case and I would be more than willing to try and change my current beliefs. How do I go about doing this? It's not like a switch that I can turn off before I go out. You mentioned internalizing. What would you suggest to do to internalize a belief that my looks aren't a problem in attracting women? I should point out that I currently have therapy and have tried other methods such as hypnosis and positive affirmations.
[–]penis_sosmall 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok so you’re on the right path. What are you good at? What are you passionate about? Even if it’s weird or silly, own it. My biggest hobby is go-karting. Kinda silly for a 27 year old guy, no? Especially because I’m a bigger dude, so I look kinda like bowser in a kart. But I own it. My girlfriend finds it hilarious and comes to do it with me, because she can tell how important it is to me.
What about you?
Also, how do you dress? Do you have a style, whatever it is? Does it show a plan?
[–]Chabubu 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Step 1: Work out consistently. Lose any excess weight and put on some muscle tone. Getting down to a body fat under 20% will be good, but under 15% and you'll start knowing you look good.
Step 2: Go get a good haircut and maintain it. A clean haircut can make you look a lot better. If you have long, shaggy, or unkempt hair, you might look like a hobo to most people around you.
Step 3: Wear better clothes. Don't wear old hoodies, faded tshirts, dirty jeans and old tennis shoes. Too much to say on style and looks here. Go to youtube and follow some of the channels that talk about mens style like 'Alpha M', and 'real men real style'.
You can go up 2 ratings on the looks scale of 1 to 10 just by fitness, haircut, and clothes. Then guys can consistently date 2 notches higher than how they look. So if you're a 5, you can make yourself look like a 7 and end up dating a 9.
[–]JimBeamAndCoke2016 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing is that I worked on those three things, and have continued to maintain those improvements only to not see any difference in how women act around me.
It has to be something else which women don't find attractive or show any signs of interest.
[–]ktorr1546 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Those are some great questions. I'll use my friend as an example again since he has internalized this belief better than anyone I know.
At first, he would go out to approach women without having that belief internalized. He just read books like The Game and watched some pickup content on Youtube. He kept seeing these teachers that said that you can still succeed, despite being unattractive. At first, he was skeptical. He promised himself that he would give pickup a solid try to see if it is legit. He went out and approached thousands of women. At first, it was very difficult for him. He went out consistently for a year and had almost no success. After that first year, he started sleeping with some girls here and there. About 2.5 years in, he started sleeping with girls regularly. It was only after he started to get some success that he was able to deeply internalize this belief.
So for you, I would say that you will need to go out regularly, eventually start succeeding, then you will be able to internalize the belief.
At first, you will need to rely on blind faith and believe some strangers on the internet :)
I know a guy in a motorized wheelchair who's arms work just about enough to get the chair going and he's got a hot girlfriend who hits the gym and whatnot. Just gotta make the moves.
[–]BC4Life94 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you! As a 5'5 balding Indian, I really needed that.
[–]TheBetterManZA 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
As a 34 year old who has lived in both small and big towns, I have yet to meet a physically unattractive or average looking guy who could easily pull and screw girls who were more attractive than him (not counting extremely high status guys like musicians in popular bands or rich guys).
Every guy who I believe has shagged a lot has been model level looks and has shown me their tinder accounts, which proves that even if they didn't shag a single girl, they still had 10-50x more opportunity an average looking guy like myself does.
Yeah, it is extremely rare to find an unattractive guy who can do that. I was baffled when I met that friend I wrote about because I had not met someone like that before. Definitely altered my reality when I saw him approach women for the first time.
[–]zfgee 4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP is right. Some will accept reality, others will ignore it and lie to themselves so they can use their bullshit excuse of not being "good looking" to make them feel better about their POOR results OR as a reason to not even try because there's "no point". Source: Below average looking guy regularly picking up 9s and 10s.
[–]crawleydown 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Describe his 'game' for us. What does he say to them?
[–]Luffydude 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The responses on this thread say everything about this sub lol
Keep making excuses about other dudes being better looking, better than taking action
[–]gauravae86 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Okay, I'm gonna speak for both sides now: first, looks are not important as in what cards you were dealt with by birth i.e. your skin, height, etc. Second: looks are important as in the features that you can improve upon i.e. fashion, fitness, posture, conversation skills, lifestyle, etc.
So yeah, looks are important and they are also not important. Just focus on the second part and you'll be great.
[–]Just4Lulzz 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Big deal. Over 100 women, that means he is a thirsty dude who will sleep with whoever.
[–]cadaverco 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This for sure, I would consider myself quite attractive and girls won't touch me with a 10 foot pole
Fair enough, but does your friend inspire spontaneous lust in women? Do they like him from the start or does he have to spin a complex web of mind games and verbal craft? Can he hang on to a girl for a significant amount of time? Does he actually date girls or just pump and dump? Do girls like him the next morning?
I definitely think it's possible to talk your way into a girl's pants once. I'm not sure it's possible to do this repeatedly with the same girl.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Looks play a role at the very first encounter. After that you need a solid game.
If you dont have the looks but a solid game, it will still work. Even much more better. Girls don't hop with the next best looking guy into the bed, they get known to you on a longer "term" (compared to guys).
Looking good is alright, but more important is the game.
But still this topic is soo superficial, that you can't generalize it. Depends always on the individuals.
Sho bobs and vegena
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am so tired of seeing whiny posts on here about how looks are everything.
Look, insecurity being what it is, this is always going to be one of the big issues guys have to get over on their path to improvement.
And mindset being as powerful as it is, their conviction that looks are everything, has a way of creating self-fulfilling prophecies and leading to confirmation bias that leads to them ignoring all information that would contradict their beliefs.
So starting a thread like this to tell them to just cut it out, won't really help them.
On the other hand, to say that looks don't matter at all is going too far the other way. Looks can be compensated for with mindset and internal game, but they will always be some kind of factor. Just not one that's worth fussing over.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm more handsome than my wing and he get's harsh reactions but my game is also better so I dunno which one it is
On one end I can see girls think I'm cute, I can feel their eye's on me, them being overly agreeable, sometimes even nervous but on the other my game is potent and is well equipped to deal with the most attractive women in the room
The way you look has an impact on her, the way you talk .. it's your whole presence. That's what she feels, your consciousness
It's not that hard to look good though, the bar is low cos people are fucking lazy. You fix your posture, get a haircut, you get your voice dialed, you buy expensive shoes and cheap shirts and read some theory on what turns girls on and voilà.
The thing about men is that within every male lies the potential for them to become the "alpha of the tribe", or the leader. You can see it in his eye's when he was a boy and when he is a man. Women can't go from unattractive to attractive, for them it really is about looks
[–]dudeman1345 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have trouble with the voice thing. I mumble far too often and sound monotone.
Get the voice book by kate devore
Like a woman's voice, your voice has the potential to turn women on. Every minute you spend improving your voice has an exponential effect. Like think about it, guys spend years trying to figure out what to say to women when it's really about delivery, yet you can work on this tiny detail throughout your whole life and find your natural, warm, resonant voice
The same guys saying looks matter are the same one's over looking details in communication. No matter how you look, mumbling will hurt your results
Good luck!
[–]Pluglord 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This comment is super humble-braggy. Other than that I agree with the points listed
[–]Entrospection -1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You're totally right OP, and anyone who disagrees is kidding themselves. Think on this, there has to have been a time when you were out and about somewhere social and there was a physically unappealing guy with just an out of his league hottie on his arm. You, being more attractive, naturally think to yourself, "wtf how did that fat bald dude land that kind of a woman?"
It's game, and I boiled it down to this: "Hot women don't date ugly guys, but ugly guys date hot women."
Now this is a crude way of putting it because we all have different concepts of what is attractive and what isn't, but just go with it.
Essentially, that means that youre not restricted in your romantic endeavors by your physical appearance. That's not saying it isn't important, because it is, but if you can spit mad game, you're funny, witty, charming, then you can absolutely be fat, short, or what have you and still score with the women (or men, for you ladies) that fate delt a 10 looks wise
[–]Dating973 -2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Looks are more about how you feel about your looks rather than how you might look to everyone else per se. Granted, I think this may depend on your choice of venue for mtg girls too. I have seen not so great looking guys pull off macking beautiful chicks irl, but don’t think it works the same in OLD. But a catchy, witty profile will certainly stand out even if you are an average looking guy.
[–]JimBeamAndCoke2016 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Would be interesting to know if the Indian dude has had much success with online which IMO, is looks first and foremost. I'm guessing his results have been through approaching.
I reckon even a great profile won't do much to help, if you don't have the looks. Women are bombarded with that much attention that they have to filter guys based on attractiveness.
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When you say online, do you mean tinder or ok Cupid?
[–]Dating973 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Never been on ok Cupid but for sure tinder and bumble - I’m assuming the same though
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Fair. I agree for bumble/tinder, but I think women would look more seriously at the bio on ok Cupid, etc
I meant tinder, as it seems to be the most popular choice. I suppose it depends on which dating site doesn't see women bombarded as much as to whether a good profile will help.
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