Did reading books improve your game?

MO_drps_knwldg · 2024-04-18T00:20:27+00:00

I can tell you, even as someone who wrote a book on the topic, that experience is undoubtedly the best teacher. Reading can put you in a good headspace and provide some framework, but reading alone is meaningless without putting yourself out there extensively and being observant about what works and doesn’t for you

toddmalm · 2024-04-18T01:18:00+00:00

If it motivates and inspires you, it’s great. Apart from that, doesn’t help much. Might even make you act weird if you take what you read too seriously. The only way to get better talking to people is to talk to lots of people.

Imscubbabish · 2024-04-18T03:03:23+00:00

I like Mark Mason Models which helped me quite a but and the subtle art of not giving a F

-Twyptophan- · 2024-04-18T02:25:41+00:00

No More Mr. Nice Guy didn't directly help my game, but it did change the way I thought about things, which eventually led me to getting better at game

Actual experience is going to do much, much more for you though

JMAN_JUSTICE · 2024-04-18T04:37:28+00:00

Models helped a lot when I first started going out and dating. If you know nothing about game and haven't had a girlfriend yet, then yes it's a great starting point to get an understanding. But honestly, having friends that like to go out and talking to girls you never met, especially if they're attractive. That's the best way to learn.

PrinceDestin · 2024-04-18T01:05:19+00:00

Fuck the dating self improvement books, reading in general will help with game, new vocabulary, and conversational skills, also new knowledge on topics . The possibilities are endless, only thing dating and game books do is give you the “confidence” to try what the book is teaching, no real replacement for experience, they are good to read for the informational aspect tho

However you could read 100 dating books and still not know how to carry a real life conversation with a random women you met out in public

CatSauce66 · 2024-04-18T05:11:57+00:00

Yes, but only when I applied whatever I learn in practice

Illustrious_Peak_166 · 2024-04-18T04:17:48+00:00

Approaching and being confident approaching in any situation is critical. Books won’t truly make you comfortable with that.

Many don’t see it but guys have a huge advantage for their taking these days with so many men not approaching in person. Women deeply miss and crave this. Being a gentleman will never go out of style even in the midst of a strong feminist moment.

Soberskate9696 · 2024-04-18T06:39:37+00:00

I read green eggs and ham and ass fucced all da hos

Sandvicheater · 2024-04-18T04:32:05+00:00

My friend said the best deep sea divers in the world didn't become that by reading books about diving but rather diving themselves, making mistakes, learning, improving and conquering.

Fantastic-Life-2024 · 2024-04-18T05:29:23+00:00

I actually had experiences with a lot of women before I went near a book. I read one page of the mystery methods on the page on IOIs. No book or no person can teach you. The best way is to get to know and love yourself then you can adapt your approach to work for you.

isocialeyes97 · 2024-04-18T05:34:50+00:00

Those books you listed are good fundamentals, however their methods are often critiqued and sometimes considered outdated in some cases.

I find reading real world seduction forums like this and YouTubers are often good updated resources. I like Hamza Ahmeds YouTube channel for improvements.

Competitive-Ask4393 · 2024-04-18T05:44:50+00:00

Books won't change your game / make you better but they'll change your perspective on attraction and women.

You either need experience or at least 3 different role models to emulate.

Miguell7 · 2024-04-18T01:39:52+00:00

Going out into the real field and doing the real shit improved my game.

IGetBoredSometimes23 · 2024-04-18T04:11:29+00:00

I got How to Succeed With Women by Ron Louis and David Copeland back when it was released in 2000.

To this day, I still recommend the book above all others. If I get to the first date, the only reason I don't get laid is because I wasn't interested, and it's because of the techniques taught in that book.

Fantastic-Life-2024 · 2024-04-18T05:30:10+00:00

Self confidence improves by being good at something.

the-almighty-whobs · 2024-04-18T08:06:33+00:00

Instead of reading self help books, I suggest literature of many varieties and different eras. It helps you build your lexicon, and reading different prose could help with writing back to people in more than simplistic sentences. Lately I’ve been reading Nabokov’s Ada, or Ador, and that is pure literary smut. It opens up ideas of how to write or talk in a clever and romantic manner, and makes good use of the imagination when reading.

sknkhnt89 · 2024-04-18T09:45:26+00:00

I got the best feedback after reading "She comes first", this is the step after actually getting a girl, but it helped me being confident in what to do after passing the first hurdle.

It provides a great framework and matchplan, so if you get there I can recommend it!

No-Wolverine7793 · 2024-04-18T11:16:07+00:00

I Will say that whenever there's like a book/movie that drives the opposite sex crazy I as a male will go out and read it to figure it out like twilight or 50 shades of gray and then use some quotes from that book/movie in passing

ev3rm0r3 · 2024-04-18T02:20:47+00:00

reading books just made it worse, almost felt like they were written to worsen the odds by misdirecting in the wrong direction.

Fuzzy-Bottle-4138 · 2024-04-18T00:00:45+00:00

burncushlikewood · 2024-04-18T02:53:00+00:00

Yes definitely, I've read a lot of vin dicarlo books it really helped my game, other than YouTube videos I've mainly read books and forums, it's really nice to see infield videos, but the books help with the theory aspect of pick up, it gave me a general sense of what I needed to do in order to be successful. It gave me inner game, and when I paired that with the experience of actually implementing what I've learned, I gained confidence to approach and close. I started in this community with a website called fast seduction, and i read every section of the website over 10 times each. I managed to fumble into a few hook ups, but my game really took off after high school, I got confidence to go for the kiss and I managed to be much more smooth in the few hookups I had in university

Scoridd · 2024-04-18T11:29:37+00:00

I've read a fair few bits now. I've very nearly finished Mode One and I've loved it - it just connected for me, it was written in the exact sort of "check your self and get your shit together" language that I needed to hear.

I'm also reading Sperm Wars which isn't at all a dating book but that connects with the science part of my brain well and makes me think OK, this is the sort of shit where I can really understand and excel and make it a part of my practise.

But yeah, obviously, like everyone has said - you have to get out there and do it but if you do, then the books can be good to keep you on the right track.

SirJerALot · 2024-04-18T12:39:12+00:00

The only one that changed my life was “the game.” It’s been largely blacklisted so you’ll find it on a BitTorrent as an epub.

staier0 · 2024-04-18T13:16:34+00:00

Absolutely. But only practice makes perfect. Btw, models and nice guy have nothing with "game". It is about life.

JazzleRazzle · 2024-04-18T13:27:01+00:00

They helped with theory and molding the ideal mannerisms but the best teacher is experience and watching someone better than you. Recognizing subtle IOI was big for me since I practiced, in my words, lazy game. Only went after girls who showed interest vs that chasing nonsense.

My favorite book was The Manual. Lots of good nuggets in there

BonjourComeBack · 2024-04-18T13:39:21+00:00

Yeah unlimited power helped me controling my internal state. Which help taking action

bizlikemind · 2024-04-18T14:16:23+00:00

Applied knowledge >>>

marekforst · 2024-04-18T14:27:23+00:00

It is not meant to improve your game. It is meant to make you learn faster.

Turbulent_Collar2380 · 2024-04-18T14:39:22+00:00

Personally reading them made me open my mind and see in which aspects I can change to improve not only for the game but for myself, I have raised my self-esteem and everything has come on its own.

Moldy_Gecko · 2024-04-18T16:14:33+00:00

100%. NMMNG and the Game as well as When I Say No I Feel Guilty not only upped my game, it also changed my life in general.

Turbulent_Cucumber_3 · 2024-04-18T17:55:20+00:00

Learn to improve.

Get a posture Corrector.

Have fun.

Left-Organization798 · 2024-04-18T20:23:05+00:00

Why is nobody talking about the arts of seduction. It's a great book. I think it's the most in depth book on seduction in the market.

president_at_gmails · 2024-04-18T20:41:09+00:00

Books are extremely overrated. The relevant info can usually be summarized in one or two pages. The stories/anecdotes are pure fluff with zero relevancy to your life. Every author can claim to be an absolute champ when it isn't customary to show any proof whatsoever. Not everyone can shoot an infield though. And no book will ever portray what actually happened irl accurately. Infields allow YOU to be the judge, see patterns the author missed, see the raw footage, see if the maker actually has methods that work. Infields + short guides are the superior format.

Spiritual_Low8248 · 2024-04-19T01:20:06+00:00

The Married Man's Sex Guide by Athol Kay changed my life completely. I was a simp my whole life. Didn't know about masculinity or confidence or how to talk to a women. How I ended up marrying and good looking woman is beyond me, it was a complete fluke and I had a rocky marriage with inconsistent sex. Then I stumbled upon the above mentioned book and read it. I learned to be more confident, joke and tease my wife, dress well, be in shape, assert myself at home and at work, I also found Alpha M on YouTube and other similar channels. I actually acted on all the stuff I learned and changed to become more confident and take control of all aspects of my life.
If you don't act on what you learn, the reading is a waste of time.

Shadow__Account · 2024-04-19T11:22:03+00:00

My whole game went from non existent to keyboard warrior (reading and watching all the material) to good. I wouldn’t recommend this way though. Instead of actually acting and learning from practicing I tried to avoid it by becoming a theoretical know it all. I think the best approach is where hounding avoid failure. Failure is the best teacher and motivator, so if I could do it over again I’d try to actually go out there and fail and afterwards go to the internet to assess and improve my sticking points instead of the other way around.

Odd-Yak4551 · 2024-04-18T04:25:27+00:00

Odd-Yak4551 · 2024-04-18T04:25:52+00:00

No and nor did this reddit. A little bit of Kevin samuals (not too much) is all u need

happysri · 2024-04-18T09:17:35+00:00

Absolutely; for me at least reading a lot gave me a structure and a path when I had none. Not all of it made sense but experience helped sort that all out for me. I applied a lot of the advice to real life beyond dating and it has helped me tremendously with communication and general sales type situations. Strangely enough the reading material that made the most difference for me was that plant a 1000 seeds post from this subreddit.

LowGold4366 · 2024-04-18T00:20:35+00:00

MentalCelOmega · 2024-04-18T02:07:13+00:00

Reading books did absolutely nothing for me.

Teacher_Of_Strength · 2024-04-18T04:32:25+00:00

Yeah.

As long as you're intelligent enough to apply the concepts into your life.

If you read "The Selfish Gene" by Richard Dawkins, you better understand that killing people to get what you want is not the point. You better understand paying for child support is still your responsibility if you accidentally get a girl pregnant.

Now, if you can grasp the real value of having friends that will help you get laid if you play your cards right with them... Then... Then that's the moment you can pat yourself in the back and tell yourself that you now have intellectually grasped what it truly means to be an "alpha male" and actually be able to apply real science to your dating life.

kyle_fall · 2024-04-18T07:43:40+00:00

Of course. Gave me a much more holistic view of the journey and my place in it. Gave me confidence in finding the methods for me to become an attractive man in an extroverted society as an introvert.

Gave me a deeper understanding of the dynamics between men and women and how I could build myself up to be a more attractive man to many women long term.

The actual "game" part itself is a bit hard to define but books like How to Win Friends and influence people and the Likeability factor helped me understand how to be a well-liked person and network efficiently with both men and women.

Also made me accept myself for having difficulties in this area of life, to begin with and realize that if some of the men who are now killing it struggled as well then I could do it too.

AnonThrowAwayXYZ · 2024-04-18T07:44:29+00:00

Theory alone is useless without practice.

On the other hand, you can improve and optimize practice through theory.

Delicious_Teaching94 · 2024-04-18T07:47:19+00:00

Reading helps you a lot. It can be anything, a self help book or a fictional book or autobiography. Because if you run out of topics to talk about, you can always pick something from the books and talk about it. Once you read enough diverse books, you will be able to recognise where to talk about which books

mllewisyolo · 2024-04-18T08:20:45+00:00

The only way books help is if you actually trying the stuff in person otherwise a lot of the books won’t make sense.

Books on their own are useless. Take from someone who tried to read his way into some 🐱

scot_2015 · 2024-04-18T09:17:50+00:00

Making money and being successful, and talking to ladies like babies did 😅

Delicious-Cheek-1241 · 2024-04-18T02:48:21+00:00

As a girl there are times when your actions seem more forced to me... you have to be natural!

TRTGymBro1 · 2024-04-18T03:07:01+00:00

Yes, the best one is Intimate Connections by Dr David Burns. Also good YouTube channels are Jessica J Dating and Melli Monaco - yes, female dating coaches!

Title	Did reading books improve your game?
Author	invisible_at_night
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Date	April 17, 2024 11:49 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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