For those of you who have 'studied' and practiced The Red Pill, did it help? What are your positive takeaways? Did you really swallow the pill or were you selective on what suggestions to adopt and which ones to discard?

pg_throwaway · 2024-05-14T01:12:42+00:00

I used to be red pill, and it kind of validated a lot of things that I already understood from life experience, but in retrospect it really didn't do anything to help my relationships.

In the end, while red-pill has some good points, it's too low-IQ and simplistic to be a useful tool for dealing with a complex world. Everything is generalized to an extreme degree, every behavior by a particular gender must fit in a box of "red-pill approved" explainations. Things that red pill theory really can't explain are hand-waved away or lots of excuses are invented for why those things "don't count".

It's a little bit like a religion that has some good basic tenants but then stretches itself too far by claiming explain every aspect of life in "three simple principles". When you talk to people who are really into Red Pill for a little while, you can quickly see the walls of the tiny mental box they put themselves in. Everything in their life is somehow "explained" by Red Pill theory™.

Red pill is also highly western-biased, so it assumes falsely that most of the world is like America. In the rare case red pill recognizes a place is actually different than America, it's analysis of that place written from the perspective of Americans who's best understanding of other cultures is from American movies or a 2 week tourist trip to that area / country.

I don't think red pill is fundimentally wrong. It's just that they are trying to draw a picture of the entire depth of life with 8-10 color crayons.

Ayaka_Simp_ · 2024-05-14T03:03:09+00:00

Did it help?

Yes. I was single and lonely for decades. Admittedly, women were interested in me. I was just too autistic / socially retarded to do anything about it. It's worked on every woman from every background I've met.

What are your positive takeaways?

It works. What else is there to say?

Selective?

Yes. TRP is 90% correct. The rest is bullshit. If I took everything TRP said at face value, I would be bitter and single. Luckily, I had enough experience with women to know what was hateful, misogynistic bullshit, and what wasn't. This is why I say that men shouldn't read TRP until after their 1st relationship. If you can't manage that, you need a long-term friendship with a woman. Guys who don't have that experience stay stuck in the red pill rage phase. They end up following grifters like Andrew Taint, calling themselves Alpha unironically, or paying thousands of dollars for an alpha male course. Pathetic shit.

Competitive-Ask4393 · 2024-05-14T07:04:49+00:00

It’s worthwhile. The more original Redpill (and pickup) concepts gives good insights into female psychology, mating strategies, maintaining partners, attraction triggers, identifying certain subtle positive / negative signs early on, confidence maintaining frame, physique, facial appearance etc, and if u wish to go down a fuckboi path there’s that also.

Modern day redpill has just devolved into a whinnying shitfest.

The problem lies when people follow redpill like a religion. Life isn’t black and white, everything is mailable but general, basic concepts (certain concepts in redpill) still apply at the core of everything. Also there’s a lot of trash and completely wrong concepts that are destructive to yourself and others around you, but are pushed onto the more insecure and susceptible types by the more radical side. Really, it only takes a day or 2 to filter out the good vs horrible concepts and another day / 2 to read up on them and a few weeks / months to fully observe it in person and digest it.

Instead a lot of guys end up falling for the religion aspect of it, completely forgetting the reason they wished to learn it. Whether it’s for getting more women or filtering for a good partner or building up confidence. They spend their days just complaining on forums and absorbing the toxic side of the culture, most of these guys end up down the incel side of the rabbit hole.

Redpill wouldn’t have grown so big if there wasn’t a level of truth to it, in 2024 that’s around 25% of the current ideas but again, most get flushed out and avoided because guys would rather complain to whores, thinking that’ll change their mind on promiscuousity and complaining that life isn’t fair. Instead of applying what’s right and building the life they want.

Same goes for black pill really. Yes, they’re 100% right about looks being the most important thing overall. Personality or confidence or money or status or whatever doesn’t get someone’s subconscious and hormones firing into an animalistic state where they’re foaming at the mouth to fuck you and be with you, that’s all looks. But the completely doomer and sulking culture that’s grown up around it is crazy. Those other things still greatly matter as well and most would be surprised how much you can change your appearance (physique or face) without surgery if you apply time, effort and don’t believe the “your 10% body fat self is it”. But you can’t really talk these guys out of those sides.

Again, both have very legitimate concepts and ideas that are 100% visible if you become aware but there’s so much shit spread around from victim complex losers and grifters trying to make you miserable.

Dr_Click_Click_Boom · 2024-05-14T12:53:43+00:00

I followed red pill tenets without following self proclaimed red pill gurus. Remove the rhetoric and jargon and it's just sound advice that anyone can benefit from.

I lost weight through intermittent fasting and regular trips to the gym.

I gained more personal confidence through self defense and martial arts; specifically boxing and Brazilian jiu jitsu.

I got my finances in order and built wealth by following some of the teachings of Dave Ramsey and JL Collins among others.

I could go on and on but I think you get the point. And if you don't get the point I'll spell it out. None of this is unique to the red pill nor are the folks who advocate it associated with the red pill. And if the cost is simply a gym membership or a $24.99 book on getting out of debt and/or investing then I'm on board.

Unfortunately TRP in its current form is a giant grift that requires $1000/hour "consultations" and offers very little concrete results in the end. No thanks.

OkProfessional9405 · 2024-05-14T22:23:26+00:00

I mean the basic advice in Red Pill is to work on yourself in all aspects. Physically get in shape. Find your weaknesses around dress, grooming, hairstyle. Develop your social skills. And focus on being successful in your career are all pretty solid pieces of life advice if I'm being honest.

But there's also a blackpill for a reason. If you are a 2 and you raise yourself to a 4 you might not get the results you were hoping for. If you were a 5 and you made yourself a 7 you'd probably see bigger results.

But at least with redpill you'll be in shape, have cool hobbies and hopefully a good career, so it isn't all bad news.

kochIndustriesRussia · 2024-05-14T05:30:09+00:00

Swallowed the pill. Changed my fucking life. Never been happier/stronger/healthier/had better sex. Literally made me a new man. No more simping. Sad that I wasted decades trying to please women...not realizing that if I just focused on myself...in short order I'd have so much attention from women that it would actually become tiresome.

DarayRaven · 2024-05-14T04:40:08+00:00

Every guy has their own experience with TRP

For me, l was already doing fine before becoming RP-aware

It just exposed me to the true natures of the sexes

kongeriket · 2024-05-14T10:00:17+00:00

The philosophy helped quite a lot and I integrated it into my lifestyle.

The advice of individual redpillers, not so much. "Hit the gym" is the perfect example of trash advice in most of Europe. It may be useful in an obese country (USA, Mexico) although even there I'd argue that a healthier diet is better suited for the objective than pouring lots and lots of money into predatory establishments.

But the philosophy itself is absolutely helpful if one is willing to persist. I found a wife that fits my needs and I fit hers, I learned how to navigate the legal framework, married in Church, later on became an effective lobbyist in my country and was able to help other young men in the process. 10/10 would definitely recommend the philosophy.

Trouble is that a lot of people don't differentiate between the philosophy and individual people. Anyone who calls himself "king of the red pill" or something similar is likely to be a narcissist and/or grifter. The RP is not meant to be a cult - just a set of truths /shrug.

AreOut · 2024-05-14T10:30:30+00:00

it removed my rosetinted glasses(actually broke them into pieces) and that's why I am now alive and rocking instead of 6ft under

Spicy_take · 2024-05-14T02:00:05+00:00

It’s got a dose of realism in it. If you’re consistent in your line of thinking, it can be beneficial. All “red pill” means at its root is to recognize the reality of the world and how the dynamics of men and women are, then doing what you can to capitalize on it.

There are bozos in the space like F&F that are straight up trying to profit off lonely men, while practicing precisely zero of what they preach. A “real” example of red pill thinking was someone like Kevin Samuels (RIP). Kevin Samuels went viral a few times for bashing women on his stream. But the clips that didn’t go viral had him bashing men just as much if not more lol.

Red Pill only exists because men are desperately looking for answers. “Just be yourself” is trash advice if that’s what you’ve been doing, and failing. “Just be better” serves no purpose without a roadmap. Genuine RP thinking usually comes from experienced men, giving tangible goals and advice.

Jaded-Worldliness597 · 2024-05-14T00:47:50+00:00

It's really PUA. The Red Pill is just a term we used to use to describe waking up to the true nature of women.

There was a lot of learning and growth. There is a large amount of truth in Red Pill ideas, but they were never meant to apply universally.

If you are struggling with women, the Red Pill will shred all the stupid ideas and focus you on stuff that actually works. It used to also come with a very positive community. We actually used to boot black pillers and what we called game deniers. We did field reports. We went to bars together. We taught each other money management, career advancement, and investment strategies. Eventually we would set up international hot spots and all go overseas to party together. It was a really good time for about a decade. In a lot of ways I miss it.

TallFoundation7635 · 2024-05-14T19:05:19+00:00

80 percent of the books on the redpill sidebar have helped, the others did not suit me because they talked about how to keep your spouse interested and I am not a big fan of the govt butting into my love life.

I have gotten leaner, started making more money and learned how to talk to women after reading the red pill.

8won6 · 2024-05-15T18:06:39+00:00

i didn't know it was something to "practice". To me "redpill" just means accepting reality. Accepting the nature of men and women and being done with delusion. Like the metaphor suggests, it's simply about "waking up".

All the silly shit about working out or making more money isn't really what RP is about. It's filler to sell lifestyle plans to gullible men.

Dertross · 2024-05-14T00:50:57+00:00

It's good for gaining more inner peace. I did the improvement, meeting up, trying new things, getting new hobbys. Nothing worked, nobody cared. Pretty much what the redpill advises, except redpillers say it something was supposed to change if you did those things.

So I can rest easy knowing that, at least for me, it's really not my fault and the blackpill is truth.

No-Rough-7390 · 2024-05-14T00:57:05+00:00

Changed my life a lot, but also discovered it on my own through practice before I ever knew it was some online thing. Just started to accept descriptive reality around me.

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