What are some of your experiences in dating or just with the opposite sex in general that you couldn’t explain through any of the pills?

goatismycopilot · 2019-08-28T20:19:35+00:00

I would say when it comes to LTRs and marriages you really, really, really, do not know what is actually going on on. You don't really know what psychological needs people are actually trying to get filled, what grievance turn out out to be more important or less important than you assumed and even when friends tell one another what is going on they don't tell you every single thing.

People construct narratives of their marriages for their kids, for their families, for their friends. They keep secrets from one another and they confess some things they should not. That is why you see people who externalize some of their problems to others stay together and think how the fuck did that happen and people you thought had a great relationship blow it up.

Side note Esther Perel's podcast gives a glimpse of that for people who are nosy but at a certain piont if you know a bunch of married people you figure some of this out on your own.

CainPrice · 2019-08-28T20:31:04+00:00

There's no way to quantify or account for plain old chemistry.

There are hot girls who don't do anything for me. I enjoy looking at them, I feel validated by the attention, but for some reason, I'm just not filled with desire. Then, there will be a girl who, by most standards, is uglier, but there's something about her that makes me want her. We'll be touching and I'll get super-hard just running my hands somewhere innocuous. Heck, she could have a little belly, and just touching her there while we make out will get me turned on. I got no explanation for it. Some women just call to me for reasons I can't explain, and some don't do much for me even if they're hot.

I've never been a girl, but most girls say similar things about guys. One guy could be hot. A true alpha manly super Chad ultra hot guy. And she'll just shrug. She'll agree he's good-looking but won't be feeling it. But there will be something about some average-ish guy she likes.

I think that knowing the game and how women (and men) operate, Red Pill style, helps keep men from blowing it when they have a shot. But sometimes, there just isn't a shot to blow. No matter how much weight you can squat or how cool you act, a woman might just not feel it. And likewise, even if a woman seems like what you think you'd want on paper, you don't always feel it for her, and sometimes feel things for women you didn't think you'd consider.

There's a lot of dumb-ass luck and chemistry involved. Playing the game well helps your odds, but it's not a silver bullet that wins the game for you. It just helps with the odds.

Aaren_Augustine · 2019-08-28T20:49:54+00:00

I did retarded shit when I first met my wife. Continued to do retarded shit through our marriage. I know I was and am an absolute pain in the ass and I would totally understand if she divorced my ass. But in return we did some crazy shit together even through some very tragic times.

At any moment all of this could come crashing down, ruining everything. Perhaps it still will. I think there is joy in hard work, joy in the gamble itself, but a lot of guys aren't willing to take the chance or take the loss when it comes to women. They don't want to be used as the work horse or be divorce raped or whatever. They aren't willing to live in a certain way IN SPITE of what might happen.

Its not easily explainable through "pills" because the philosophy seems to be about risk mitigation. They don't get that it's a poor reflection of themselves. The people who are disappointed in the opposite sex weren't willing to try and pull off something grand; which I think is the very thing women crave.

Icunvme66 · 2019-08-28T20:06:44+00:00

1 in 4 of women's behavior in the romantic or sexual market does not make sense by the red pill, in my view, however, this quarter may still be explained if you are observant enough.

Example, I never understood why a childhood friend of mine would never react to the dark triad aspects I shown her. I discovered that was because she just had a pretty dark triad father, and assumed my behavior was well... normal. I was not into sadism so I let her go. She frankly scared me. I was thinking she was a unicorn. Nope, just crazier than the average. And quite sad too, it must be hard to not be able to be sexually satisfied without being treated like trash.

jalapenopancakes · 2019-08-28T20:30:21+00:00

How ugly af, unsuccessful men who have the IQ of a pound of warm ground beef can be polyamorous and have two girlfriends.

[deleted] · 2019-08-29T02:09:24+00:00

Pretty much anything having to do with mental illness is mental illness shit and doesn't have too much to do with gender.

Hennythepainaway · 2019-08-29T08:43:59+00:00

Girl with a higher SMV chased me for a little over a year. Cute face, skinny with a huge rack (like huge huge but a very good aesthetic), good body overall. I on the other hand had a good face, but I was only like 5'2-5'5 at the time because I hadn't hit my growth spurt yet. Also still had a high voice lol. I never did understand why, might be because it was early high school. I didn't want to get with her because of reasons but I can't find her on Facebook to reconnect. Rip

Biology is weird. People can get crazy attracted to people who might not be the most attractive overall.

There was this one girl. Weird bed head all the time, gingerish hair, weird facial bone structure (like the type models have but she wasn't attractive like that), had the same voice as Janice from friends. Super skinny, like no rack or back. Like a 4/10 maybe less.

I've never been more attracted to a girl. It was really confusing for me. I had no idea why I was going crazy about her. Objectively she was not attractive but my body was screaming smash. So yeah Biology can do some wonky things.

lefactorybebe · 2019-08-28T19:59:44+00:00

Never. It's pretty disappointing how conceptually formulaic and rote the dating experiences I felt to be magical and profound actually were in retrospect.

I guess that's what growing up is.

trx600 · 2019-08-28T20:29:53+00:00

Cutest girl i ever dated often told me, unsolicited, that i was perfect, that she was obsessed with me, that she only wanted to be with me etc. was always begging to hang out

but at the same time was super unenthusiastic during sex, only sucked my dick when she was astronomically wasted (happened 3 times in 7 months) avoided even touching my dick at all costs.

3-4 months in even my beta ass was like idk if this is working, and she had a full on meltdown, and swore she was just stressed from school and that we were good and would get better. But the sex never got better and she broke it off after awhile

I was young stupid and inexperienced so i accepted it because she was cute. Guys were telling me they were jealous that i had a hot girlfriend so i thought it was the best i could do. But i dont get why she stuck around for so long when i clearly wasnt doing it for her

oldhag888 · 2019-08-28T23:32:13+00:00

All of them. Pills explain nothing

The_Madmans_Reign · 2019-08-28T20:08:39+00:00

I’ve never seen an interaction irl that couldn’t be explained by the blackpill.

TheJim66 · 2019-08-28T20:49:59+00:00

I have never seen such a thing.What might seem inexplicable is usually a case of lack of information.For example I might see a hot girl with an ugly dude then suddenly find out the dude "happens" to be loaded or has game or is famous etc. Etc.

lessabe · 2019-08-29T19:31:48+00:00

I never knew anything about the red/blue pill when I met my husband 8 years ago...but I always could figure out guys who bought the “PUA/TRP” and their over the top attempts like negging/push/pull etc. I would always wait to sleep with someone until I felt like there was an established relationship, and typically the guy would either get bored and hit me up on occasion for a booty call that never happened or become more interested. I became pretty good at “playing the game” the first time I hung out with my husband after meeting him a week or two earlier and talking though text I slept with him immediately. Which is something I don’t do! I had all these thoughts like he was unlikely to talk to me again, I totally was being a slut judging myself etc etc. We then became FWB, dated, and are married. I know this was an exception and not the rule but my husband isn’t a beta guy at all, I’m 10 years younger and that helped but he honestly didn’t care about n count and all these things I thought was super important and that TRP seem to find important (well...only for the female, their standards don’t apply to themselves).

eboy4hire · 2019-08-30T17:25:22+00:00

I just had one. It was my first successful cold approach ever and it happened this week. I went up to this girl sitting on a park bench, had an awkward conversation with her, then she went to go get food and I got her number before she left. Then she was texting me saying that I should show her around some places. I said she can see my apartment if she wants, and after she got done with what she was doing, she literally just walked right back with me to my apartment and we fucked. I thought women had too many trust issues for that to just happen.

I didn't use any game or blue pill advice that I know of. I don't know what I did differently that finally made me successful, which is exactly what I feared would happen. Shit... lol

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