Why does TRP often seem deliberately spiteful of women?

GayLubeOil · 2015-07-22T07:00:42+00:00

Because at some level the Red Pill knows that the Blue Pill is listening. The Blue Pill wants to be offended and The Red Pill wants to offend.

Iramadance · 2015-07-22T01:19:56+00:00

To force men out of their previously held mindset of women > men.

Epicureanist · 2015-07-22T01:16:11+00:00

It's not that TRP is spiteful is spiteful of women, it's more that society coddles women. Men who treat women like men (no benevolent sexism) are found to be sexist. Men don't need to be told that men can be lazy, stupid, or useless. In a project or company, men who hold these characteristics (laziness, stupidity) are kicked out.

The posters over at TRP often seem less helpful and more mean and nasty about women for the sake of it,

They are more helpful than any guide or dating advice that presently exists. For an average guy who struggles to receive female attention or date women, the redpill is a godsend.

like putting women down is more the point than any self-improvement.

How are they putting women down? Women are not like men. Female goals, female personality, and female abilities are completely different.

Does it seem counter-intuitive to anyone else to teach men to disdain women they are trying to get with?

If I had to bet on a guy getting laid. I'd place money on the guy who thinks women are shit rather than the guy who thinks women are interesting and special.

It also seems counter-intuitive to tell men they should aim to be alphas who sleep around and are beholden to no one, that this will make them happy, when many posters say they start to feel hollow inside after accepting this life.

The red pill doesn't include any ought arguments. The red pill is simply the nature of men, the nature of women, and sexual dynamics. What men do with this knowledge is their own decision.

I'm not sure if TRP is really a healthy way of life.

It's not about what is healthy. It's about what is true.

CisWhiteMaelstrom · 2015-07-22T03:00:23+00:00

Because a lot of posters are spiteful of women.

Archwinger · 2015-07-22T02:45:52+00:00

You know the best part? You can think whatever nasty shit about women that you want inside your head. If you behave the way the red pill describes, women will still fuck your brains out.

Women are stupid like that. Is that a spiteful thing to say? I still get laid.

despoticVeracity · 2015-07-22T01:25:37+00:00

Hating women isn't the end-goal of TRP, but it is somewhat intertwined.

TRP explains the rules of the game and how to win at it. These rules are different to what people have been taught. It also so happens that the 'new rules' are morally reprehensible under the 'old rules'.

"Be a loving, caring, sensitive, provider man and you'll have a good life" the world says. But then you end up sitting through an engineering degree and don't get given the time of day by women up until your 30s, at which point you get nabbed for a provider. You're stuck dutifully providing and not getting what you want. You did everything right, and yet you feel like a loser. You're resentful, especially of the people who 'won', getting to sleep around in their younger years and getting you to provide later. So you start to play according to the new rules. You start winning, but it feels as though you're cheating, because this isn't the game you were taught to play. You hate yourself for winning this way and you hate them for playing the game that lets you win.

The best way to think of it is as, say, doping in sports. You're told to just practise your sport and you do. You do alright, but you always end up beaten out by someone else. Someone better. A friend pulls you aside after years of a failing career and lets you in on a secret: everyone except you has been doping the whole time, while you drank the cool-aid about doping being harmful, illegal and easy to catch. You try it out at your next contest and suddenly you're coming in the top ten and top five. You're achieving your dream, but part of you hates that the game works like this. You look at the bottom ten and feel a mix of sorrow and contempt for them.

Some people learn to hate the game, not the players. Others learn to love both. Others still use elements of TRP to live monogamously, like over in /r/marriedredpill.

JesusWasRedPilled · 2015-07-22T05:17:46+00:00

Same reason TBP is spiteful of men and masculinity. We both believe a certain sex is unfairly treated.

4benny2lava0 · 2015-07-22T06:01:01+00:00

Because we start in the anger phase seeing how we were used manipulated cuckolded and disposed of. Why wouldnt we be spiteful. We get over it, it took me months. Then we start rebuilding our broken down beta body and mind into alphas that get what we wamt and are happy.

exit_sandman · 2015-07-22T06:38:28+00:00

Does it seem counter-intuitive to anyone else to teach men to disdain women they are trying to get with?

Yes, that's why there are so many nice guys out there who are dumbfounded when they hear of concepts of negging and that it actually helps guys more with women than being uber-respectful.

gavinok · 2015-07-22T01:24:50+00:00

Does it seem counter-intuitive to anyone else to teach men to disdain women they are trying to get with?

It's a little overblown by the anger-phase, but the idea overall is to dispel the men of the TRP from the idea that women are innocent creatures that are always sweet, kind, and can do no harm. In the past, women were very much forced to act in a polite, respectful way all the time because they were dependent on men for sustenance and financial security. Thus, men were taught in a traditional belief that you should always treat a woman special because she is fiscally and legally inferior to men. In the modern world, women have just as many privileges and rights that men do, but men are still brought up with these traditional attitudes towards women. Women, just as much as men, are inclined to take advantages of special treatment they get from the opposite sex, which lowers the value of a man's attractiveness. TRP comes in and tries to shake men of this behavior.

It also seems counter-intuitive to tell men they should aim to be alphas who sleep around and are beholden to no one, that this will make them happy, when many posters say they start to feel hollow inside after accepting this life.

Happiness is a personal attribute. What make's people happy is very different from person to person. But the idea is that, the more freedom one has, the more opportunities they have to explore what makes them happy. A big tool a man needs to explore his happiness is sexual freedom. A man who want's to attain happiness should have the ability if he wants, to have any kind of sexual experience he desires, so he does not ever feel restricted or excluded from areas of life.

Lonny_zone · 2015-07-22T02:18:07+00:00

Does it seem counter-intuitive to anyone else to teach men to disdain women they are trying to get with?

For pedestalizers, the overabundance of spite in TRP basically balances the scales towards equality. When I was a wee beta I did everything to improve my SMV, but I pedestalized so hard I would have needed the spite to slap me out of it.

max_peenor · 2015-07-22T16:17:50+00:00

The posters over at TRP often seem less helpful and more mean and nasty about women for the sake of it

You should see how they talk about BB losers.

Andy414 · 2015-07-22T22:03:21+00:00

It's true that a lot of individual posters are spiteful towards women but that has more to do with their own personal experiences and where they are in their journey than with TRP philosophy itself.

TRP is about building yourself and increasing your value (to yourself and society) by becoming a stronger, better man while simultaneously removing any false value attributed to women by virtue of them being women.

It's not about tearing women down, it's about tearing down the false constructs and perceptions we have of women that hurt everyone and giving them a chance to prove their value as people.

It's about giving yourself agency. By working on yourself you become more confident and capable. You start taking less crap from people, you stop expecting things (like sex or relationships) from people just because you're nice, and you stop settling. You learn what you want, you learn how to do it, and you learn that you CAN do it if you really put the effort in. Then you do it.

If something isn't working for you (whether it's a job, a relationship, whatever) you know that you can move on. You're not scared to stay. You don't become secretly bitter about women or society or your place in life. You know that you can change your own situation for the better.

It's true that a lot of unofficial and even some official TRP philosophy seems a bit extreme but sometimes people need that push. I know I did. I needed to know that I had value and that I could change that value for the better. I needed to really internalize that women are just people too and that there's nothing special about them just because they're women.

A lot of people are at one extreme when they discover the Red Pill and many swing all the way to the other for a time but most bounce back to somewhere in the middle and find what works for them.

That's what TRP is ultimately about: giving people the tools to take control of their lives, see the world for what it really is, and find what works for them.

Plugawy_Nedznik · 2015-07-22T05:53:37+00:00

Why wouldn't you be spiteful towards someone who is in most cases worse than you yet gets preferential treatment? Like a coworker that you know does worse work than you yet he's the one who gets a raise.

Seems like perfectly normal human reaction to me.

drok007 · 2015-07-22T01:19:17+00:00

Because dudes are angry. Better to have them like that, then how they were. They will figure it out eventually when they realize women aren't men like feminism wants them to believe (unless it doesn't benefit women).

Denswend · 2015-07-22T02:05:50+00:00

Well, let me explain the crazy mindset the cult of TRP has. It's going to be a long post, so brace yourself. It will even have some Dork Enlightenment stuff in it (think like fascists on steroids, except instead of muscles, neckbeards and fat) cause there's a lot of overlap between two.

TRP has this crazy thing called Briffault's Law (more like Brifag's Law, amirite?). Read up on it. No, seriously, read up on it it's like a half a paragraph long. Take note the following corollaries the Grand Master of TRP pastes.

This means that TRP, among other things, says never take what a woman says out of context, and try to apply it as a general principle over a space-time continuum larger than that instance. When a woman says "womyn aren't slots you put commitment in and get sex" it is not meant to be reversed and applied to men "men aren't slots you put sex in and get commitment". That is taken outside of a context which benefits a woman - and thus is does not benefit women. This guy tried to do it. Note the reactions. He pissed them off hard. Now apply what 2X says and "you shouldn't use her as your cum toy and don't commit" to men in "you shouldn't use them for a free meal/emotional tampon and not put out" and BAM - you've effectively did another Shoah. The net is littered with those fake Nice Guise who aren't nice but evil Machiavellian manipulators who use niceness to get pussy. And you're supposed to hate them - but women who get led on by alpha males are the victims.

A recent neophyte to the TRP cult would say "but oh, that's hypocrisy" but seasoned cultists who have oppressed over 9000 minorities understand "a woman is driven by a Female Imperative and Female Imperative is the embodiment of Briffault's Law, thus a woman driven by Female Imperative has no loyalty to anything but the Female Imperative - she will use X to achieve her goals, but abandon X once it stops being effective." Pressuring men to commit to sluts is not exactly sex positive, while having society be less judgmental over being a village bicycle is sex positive. However, pressuring men to commit to sluts is beneficial to women, and being less judgmental over being a village bicycle is beneficial to women. Thus, no hypocrisy.

Furthermore, Female Imperative is driven everywhere. Dork Enlightenment has a term called Conquest's Second Law (lots of D'n'D references as fits a bunch of virgin manchildren) which states that any institution not explicitly anti-leftist will eventually become leftist. If you can't think of any leftward drifts, compare Ford with Ford Foundation.

Applied more specifically, any institution not explicitly anti-feminist will eventually become feminist. Take for example, #GamerGate who are basically ISIS. All of a sudden, boys who play videogames, create videogames, love videogames found themselves at the mercy of "womyn can be gamers too and you hate womyn if you don't give our shitty games 25/20". Or the Sad Puppies controversy in the field. Eventually, the original use of institution is shunned in favour of Feminine Imperative. Hell, check out reddit's socialism. You can be a capitalist feminist, while you cannot be a socialist anti-feminist - on r/socialism. It encapsulates the late stage of infection.

Well, TRP deals with things entirely contrary to the Feminine Imperative. For TRP to be infected with the FI is like a lamp without a light-bulb - it's fucking useless. In order to ward of Feminine Imperative, more specifically women and women-like-creatures, the Obersturmbannführer of TReichP use intentionally shocking non-PC talk. If you police the tone, you police the content. What starts as "you shouldn't use nasty words to describe women" becomes "don't use nasty words to describe women" becomes "you shouldn't put women in nasty context" becomes "don't you fucking dare put women in nasty context". Wanna proof? Look at Western civilization.

And a person who can't take a "all women are depraved and evil whores and giving women vote was just as tragic as Germans losing the WWII" as a moderate statement that it is without entering a spasm of PTSD that would make 'Nam vet blush is unlikely to be helpful in elucidating the nature of women for the purpose of putting penis in vagina while avoiding having to give the rest of you to the thing around vagina.

But that isn't their purpose, is it.

pandorarosie · 2015-07-22T02:32:15+00:00

I don't know...but where can I find a subreddit where it posts all the nasty shit men do? I need to balance out the woman hate with some man hate. As it doesn't look like the woman hate will be going anywhere...anytime soon.

ReformedTomboy · 2015-07-22T05:50:43+00:00

I generally understand and agree with the principles that inform TRP, for example I believe there are innate biological differences between men and women. However, it's the spite many posters have that I don't seem to understand. In my mind, it serves no purpose in the best cases and in the worst it poisons the mind to an unhealthy degree.

jkonrad · 2015-07-22T07:37:43+00:00

Adding to what the others said... if you are an insecure man, lacking in confidence and self-esteem, and are presented with a theory that says you are mightily superior to half of the world's population, who stop intellectual development at puberty and should be treated like childen... well, that's damned attractive for a lot of men.

BenGunnSilver · 2015-07-22T14:23:13+00:00

Because red pillers are jealous of the attention most women get for free. They're also pissed off because women can have sex everytime they want with chad and they can barely manage to bang an average woman.

thereddespair · 2015-07-22T15:12:47+00:00

why because they were stepped on like foot stools a little too hard.

something has to give at one point you know

no different from those women who just spout crap like all men are pigs

did it hurt that much? for you to be so angry?

to bring someone down doesnt really raise you up as a person. only in reference to said person. you wanna go up, you go up by raising yourself

GridReXX · 2015-07-22T15:24:25+00:00

Because they've been hurt. And hurt people hurt people. They all need Iyanla to fix their lives.

Xemnas81 · 2015-07-22T21:37:30+00:00

Because it takes a lot of 2nd phase circle jerking to get some lazy fat socially awkward fucks to realise society and most of the women in class would rather they kill themselves or at very least drop out than continue to embarrass them with their presence. And no I don't speak for what I want, these guys are often depressed and need some love, I've been that guy. I'm just speaking for how most of society treats them. And no where is this more evident than dat dere SMP. And sometimes tough love is better than a 10kg weight attached t your ankle next to San Francisco Bridge trololol

Qucumatz · 2015-07-22T01:24:29+00:00

The posters over at TRP often seem less helpful and more mean and nasty about women for the sake of it

citation needed

ERockEfreedom · 2015-07-22T05:07:17+00:00

Because they're delusional misogynists.

Why does TRP often seem deliberately spiteful of women?

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