So, why do you "hate" women ?

kick6 · 2015-05-12T15:37:42+00:00

I don't anymore, but it was exclusively the institutional lying, and the complete incongruence between action and words (ergo, "I want nice boys"...catch her gagging on drug dealer dong).

As time passes, you have to accept things for what they are: my pinto will never be a ferrari so I shouldn't hold it to that standard, and women are never going to live up to the idyllic image I had built for them over the course of my youth. Time to move on.

Aspiring_Hobo · 2015-05-12T15:59:30+00:00

I hate women because of what they men go through to get pussy, even though it isn't that special. But I don't hate women on a level of like, walking out in public and just refusing to talk to them, or wishing bad upon them. It's not something I actively think about every moment of the day. I just hate when women abuse men through their pussy, then try to act like there's more to them than just being an object.

But on a lighter note, many women just aren't fun to me. They aren't funny, get offended easily, are boring as all hell, don't know/can't play any sports, etc. I'm sure there are some women out there who aren't like this, but many that I've encountered are of the ilk I described. But even with the ones who aren't, they're just gonna try and be like a guy. I'd rather have a guy friend than a woman trying to be a guy as a friend.

prodigy2throw · 2015-05-12T17:15:42+00:00

I don't hate women. I used to hate the brazen entitlement they have. The fact that they don't take responsibility for their actions or mistakes. The fact that they want all the glory and none of the responsibility. The way they can break a promise or runaway from conflict like a child. Also the constant double talk and indecisiveness. The wanting a nice guy but always fucking the asshole frat douche with 2 kids and a criminal record. the fact that women don't like nice guys, they just like talking about how they can never find a nice guy. Its like they're dogs chasing cars. they wouldn't know what to do if they caught one. Then there's the girl working in retail for minimum wage who wants a guy who makes 100k/ year. The confusion.

How can I respect someone who chases assholes and rejects nice guys until it serves her needs? I used to truly believe in the whole "unconditional love" thing then I realized women have no honour or care about anything except themselves. The only reason a woman will stick with you through your really dark moments and times is because she'll be ridiculed if she leaves you. If you took her out of her social environment, she would cheat/ leave you in a heartbeat. Men do this too. But I used to hold women to a higher standard like an idiot. I'm more mad at myself for thinking all women are special snowflakes.

Then there's the women who are loyal, caring, honest. But then they're also severely obese, don't take care of themselves and expect guys to love them for them.

In all honesty though, despite all this, I don't hate women. I understand it and I know I personally need to improve myself and not expect anything from someone else. Common saying in TRP is don't be mad at the snake for biting you.

I still have it in my head that "the only reason she's with you is she can't get a better man". But that's my issues and isn't the woman's fault at all.

Actually fuck it. I still hate women. Just not as much now.

BeyondTheLight · 2015-05-12T15:52:07+00:00

I'm biologically wired not to hate women. I just think they're kind of annoying, incapable of morality, and completely useless. I still kinda like em though.

drok007 · 2015-05-12T14:21:06+00:00

I don't hate women. But I don't respect women either.

Reginleifer · 2015-05-12T13:44:48+00:00

Well here's my personal gripe: Women are cunts when it comes to social interaction with strangers.

No this has nothing to do with relationships, but just the everyday interactions.

Dudes for the most part are chill, you acknowledge them they acknowledge you back. Open the door for them, thanks brah, and sometimes they open the door for you. You ask for the seat on the bus, they make some room.

There is a significant portion of females who will behave rather rudely amongst strangers. Smile, and they wrinkle their noses, open the door and they roll their eyes. Ask for the seat next to them and they refuse.

Who knows why it's just my experience.

Vornnash · 2015-05-12T19:15:15+00:00

I am disappointed in women, but I don't hate them. I hate the game, not the players.

exit_sandman · 2015-05-12T15:48:10+00:00

I don't hate women - in fact, they've become considerably less frustrating once I adjusted my expectations to more RP-compatible ones.

I hate it that I got enabled and encouraged from all sides to develop these unrealistic expectations in the first place.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-05-12T20:57:25+00:00

My take on this from a different thread:

A lot of people are going to talk about how they were misled about the nature of women, and there is truth in what they say. Especially in terms of the socially approved script for heterosexual romance decidedly not working as described.

The bigger issue from my perspective, though, is that boys have also been lied to about their own nature. They have been told that they should be ashamed of their natural urges, especially sexual ones; I was a 90's kid, and even by then we were being taught 'not to rape'. Boys have been taught that normal male behavior is deviant and antisocial--that they are damaged for having energy and wanting to rough house. I actually got kicked out of preschool at 4 for failure to sit still all day (at one of those new age, 'teach children as individuals' schools, no less). We were taught that competing, fighting, and any other forms of aggression could only be poisonous, and in doing so denied many of us our most powerful natural motivational forces.

We were taught that we could find fulfillment as good 'beta' husbands and male members of civilization, by always being open and honest, always considering the perspectives of other people, and suppressing any competitive or aggressive instincts. In addition, we were taught that these were the traits that society would respect, and that by being 'good men' as society described, we would earn the respect and affection of our communities, and be chosen by the women of society to start families with.

Thus, I think the source of modern young men being frustrated with women stems from the realization that our past beliefs were false--that we have been working perpendicularly to our goals at best, and against them at worst. I think women are primarily blamed because it is in our interactions with women that the illusion unravels. We discover that there is more to being a desirable person (both romantically and not) than merely having pro-social habits and customs. Worse yet, we come to find that the very things which actually provide us fulfillment and make us attractive are those very 'antisocial' behaviors we are discouraged from engaging in.

FleetingWish · 2015-05-14T17:58:36+00:00

I happened to have written something on this very subject. Here it is copy-pasted for you.

Why Do Men “Hate” Us?

If you browse reddit for long enough it is easy to find examples of men who are angry with women. They are jaded, cynical, and perhaps even “misogynists”. But, rather than using these terms dismissively, let’s make an attempt to try to understand these guys.

Understand first that the reason this behavior is easy to find on the internet, and not in real life, is not because it doesn’t exist within the day to day people that you meet, but because of the wonderful anonymity of the internet, people can be worry free on the internet that they can speak their minds, with little to no repercussions. If you were to meet these people on the street a person, who talks this way about women on the internet, they would look the same, and treat you the same as any other person. They do so on the internet because they have nowhere else that they can express this. This means that they cannot and do not express it in their day to day lives.

The second thing to understand is that we cannot to fall into the common trap of lumping “misogynist” in the same category of “racist” and “homophobic”. The reason is they occur for entirely different reasons. Racist and homophobic people occur largely from lack of exposure. It’s easy to have misconceived notions of certain groups of people when you haven’t met any. There have been many accounts of people who changed their views once they met more people in that group. But this is not the case for women; men have met many, many women in their lives. Any “misogyny” that they may have developed (or lack thereof) has been created by their exposure to women, and those women have only confirmed their biases.

The third thing to understand is the nature of “The Man Complaint”. When women are upset it is very easy to tell, because they (most of them) have no problems with showing emotion. This is not the case for men. Men have a very hard time showing emotion; in fact they don’t even want to mention things that bother them, because they don’t want to appear as though anything can faze them. It’s largely a matter of pride. If a man even mentions something that might be bothering him, it’s is already at the level of “a cry for help”. These men who are angry on the internet, aren’t just angry, they are desperate men, begging for help.

So, on to the reason men “hate” us. There are countless complaints to be found, but they all seem to lead to the same core. They don’t see what value women can provide for them (outside of sex). When I first understood this, I felt disappointed and sad, because I want to feel that my presence makes a difference, and not that 50% of the population would be better off without me. But I wanted to find the truth behind the anger, so I asked myself two questions; “What are women providing for men in today’s society?” and “What should women be providing them?” (Or alternatively “What is it that women could provide that would make men see their worth?”)

I answered my first question by observing the world around me. We have a society where women are encouraged to behave like men. We are encouraged to be competitive, career driven, even to be brash and arrogant in order to get what we want. Also, we are told again and again, that not only should men not expect anything of us (not even common decency), but that we should leave any one who places any demands (or requests) on us. (For example: the whole “do it for yourself” mentality. Where women are vehement to look pretty if and only if it is for themselves, and any woman who does it “for a man” should be shamed for doing so.)

The trouble with the first mentality is by acting like men, we run the risk of being second place to actual men. If a man wants to have a relationship of some kind with someone who behaves masculine, why would he seek a woman? It’s counter-intuitive, even if she was good at it, why would he bother? If he wants to seek out a woman, it’s because he’s seeking someone who behaves like a woman, and personifies feminine behavior.

The trouble with the second mentality is that by not taking into consideration what men want from us, it takes away our ability to listen to their needs. Because men have needs, they have feelings, they have wants, and they have desires. And those needs are important, they are important for their basic happiness and fulfillment in life.

The solution to both of these is actually the same. Be feminine. That’s what men are desperately craving from us. Be compassionate, be considerate, be empathetic, be playful, be loving, be caring. Care about his concerns, and do things just because he asked, and just because you care about how he feels. Men don’t want a woman that they have to compete with, they compete with people all day long, at the end of the day they want someone who they don’t have to compete with. They want someone who will encourage them to play and laugh. They want someone who can be a little childish, because when we’re childish, they can be permitted to be childish too.

I remember recently I expressed concern for something my roommate was going through. I don’t remember the details of the event, but I remember his reaction. Before even alleviating my concerns (the “I’m fine” response), he looked at me and said “Thank you for caring”. The way he responded, it was like nobody had ever stopped and asked him how he was. It was like, he had never seen anything like it, but he was so appreciative of me in that moment in a way that words can’t even express.

The thing is, those men who “hate” us, they don’t really hate us, they desperately want to be able to love us. But they have been unable to with every, single, woman they have come across. And they’ve become so hurt, that they don’t know what else to do.

So, my challenge to anyone reading this is if you see these men on reddit, try to empathize where they are coming from. Instead of being angry at them, be understanding of them. Instead of defending yourself, defend them. Instead of telling them “you’re not like that”, show them you aren’t like that. Respond to these posts with something to the effect of “Wow, I’m really sorry that women you’ve come across have treated you so bad, I wish there was something I could do to heal that hurt you’re feeling.” By responding like this, you accomplish so many things. First is you are validating their concerns, second you empathize with their feelings, and third you show them that there are women who care (demonstrating to them that they might be wrong after all). You will see that if you do this, these men’s hearts will melt so fast for the opportunity to believe that there are women who care. Then apply it to your daily life, challenge yourself with how you can show the men in your life that you care about them. If you do this, they will be so greatful, it will be hard for men not to love you, and they will be happy for the opportunity to do so.

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-05-12T14:51:34+00:00

Hate is the wrong word, at least for most TRP folks. I think many 'modern women', particularly the current crop of 18-30 y.o. do very little to develop themselves into something more than their physical features. I don't hate them, but i'm also not about to pretend I respect them for qualities they, in general, don't display and make no attempt to develop.

Counter question: Why do feminists hate men?

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_ArchitectofThought_ · 2015-05-12T23:41:44+00:00

This thread exactly highlights the thinking of the red pill.

My post about why don't you red pill men hate men instead of women just causes confusion: "Why should men hate men when there are women to be hated??? I don't hate women BUT...."

But a post about why the red pill hates women gets a flurry of replies. Most of them will be: "I don't hate women BUT ..... "

So, so telling.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-05-12T14:12:38+00:00

BP defines criticism and unflattering analysis as hate, so i "hate" women because i see and tell the truth about them

TheGreasyPole · 2015-05-12T14:00:13+00:00

I don't hate women either.

Not even during my "anger phase" which was short and weak compared to most... I mainly was angry at myself, to be honest.

Why would you hate the water for being wet ?

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T13:26:40+00:00

I don't. I never lacked for sex growing up. But if I had, and if I was a virgin at 30, and the reasoning for it was the limiting beliefs implanted in me by the society in which I lived and the women around me in particular, I can see hating women.

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T16:48:07+00:00

I don't hate women at all. I was one of the only males in my family growing up, I have a lot of sisters and have a lot of female friends and plates. I really don't have any negative emotions at all toward women as a whole. I don't know any feminists, most of the women I know aren't out to fuck men's lives up just because. They're really not as bad as TRP makes them out to be. I actually have more reason to hate men then I do women. But then TRP believes that women are completely different people around alphas. I'm not claiming to be super alpha male but I've always had a nice SMV I guess, so I never had to deal with this other side of women like a lot of TRPers have. I never went through the anger phase either.

Whisper · 2015-05-14T08:58:58+00:00

You're funny.

You seem flat-out fascinated by redpill men, but you don't seem to know how to engage with us without a chip on your shoulder. It's like you only understand how to put words together by their literal meanings, and are totally oblivious to the implications and overtones of what you are saying.

You're not going to get a concise list of grievances this way. Why not?

Because the men you are talking to realize that complaining to women is, by and large, a waste of breath. There's no point in talking to someone who doesn't give a crap about your problems.

Men have, instead, chosen to respond intelligently and tactically, by not giving a crap about women's problems. There's no sense asking us for a list of demands, as if this were the start of a negotiation. We're not a torchbearing mob at your door. We are an audience that has lost interest and left the theatre.

If a torchbearing mob shows up at your door, you can ask them what you did.

If your audience leaves the theatre, you have to ask yourself what you didn't do.

_ArchitectofThought_ · 2015-05-13T01:11:39+00:00

I really don't know if I hate women. I'm in a weird stage where I was once hyper mega TRP. Like, 5 TRP rangers would have to combine their women hating powers to form how much I hated women, but I don't know if I do anymore. I'm in a position to be tipped, so I guess that's why I find this subreddit fascinating. Unfortunately the women here are pretty good at sending a lot of guys back down the TRP hole, lol.

As for a reason?...I guess I just really took TRP to heart and agreed with everything they say about women and came to the conclusion women are a collection of useless assholes that barely qualify as human beings and that's if we're being generous, so it made a lot of sense to hate them.

life_manager · 2015-06-15T15:12:01+00:00

The fact that no one has mentioned The Five Stages of Red Pill and are still commenting is somewhat unsettling and a hint of the quality of Red Pill posters on here..

This is a critical read for Red Pillers AND for Blue Pills so you understand the context of the person you are talking to. All Red Pill men don't hate women, we just operate on different basic instincts. Women react emotionally, men logically. For all you annoying feminist and PC police, not all men act logically and not all emotionally, we're generalizing here. If you claim to hate women, you're obviously in the anger stage. There's a poster whose flair says "I love women for being women." He gets it.

H8CourtshipALot217 · 2015-08-08T18:59:08+00:00

because they always expect the man to make the first move, do the approaching and asking out, taking the lead, overall, be the initiator of dating and relationships, etc.

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T19:32:25+00:00

I think you mean why do you Mistrust women.

[deleted] · 2015-05-12T23:33:18+00:00

I don't hate women. I just think they are spoiled brats. They only think about themselves. They have no control over their emotions and lash out rudely against others on a regular basis. They are constantly complaining. They just seem to be clueless about how the world works. I just wish they'd fucking grow up already.

Kenee24 · 2015-05-12T14:31:02+00:00

I don't hate women although I won't deny this is a recent development. I used to kind of feel a strong dislike for them because I simply felt like they were the cause of my problems. It was never true. Our reality is just however we perceive it, but we actually trick ourselves into thinking we have the objective truth, but we never do.

I don't see any point of hate unless it's focused towards something tangible that you can constructively deal with. Hating all women is the misogynists comfort blanket to keep his ego warm from the cold reality of admitting he just fucked up in life.

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[deleted] · 2015-05-12T18:51:43+00:00

If we're ever going to travel the galaxy we first need to become a unified society, using all of earths energy to 100% efficiency, but a few things stand in the way. Religion, petty worldpolitics, and parasitic women that chain men down into wage slavery.

Danieltck · 2015-05-12T19:40:27+00:00

I don't hate women, I love them. They are just frustrating a lot of the time. They need to act more womanly, they do but they are missing the most important part. It's different for different kinds of women.

cocaine_face · 2015-05-12T22:48:04+00:00

I don't, and never have.

Now I just understand how they work. It saves me a hell of a lot of time on heartbreak, and dating in general.

cxj · 2015-05-13T00:34:10+00:00

Well, one woman falsely accused me of hitting her and had me jailed, derailing my life for a year and costing me about ten grand in legal fees. This was after she physically attacked me, ransacked my house, and stole my mom's iphone, so I called the cops. I have posted about this many times before.

I don't hate her, though. She is a severely damaged person with an awful childhood. I hate that she was able to do so much damage to me, though. But eventually, she will lose her looks and has no career, so she will be an old hag with no one who loves her, and then her child support will run out and she will be alone, old, sad and poor.

Xemnas81 · 2015-06-15T11:06:32+00:00

I don't hate women at all, I think that they've been socially conditioned and hold biological incentive to hamster about their hypergamous expectations in modern Western dating. I've become incredibly frustrated by the trials and tribulations one has to undertake to reach peak SMV while women just sit around and reject or dump. I'm even more frustrated by the fact it is next to impossible to get either a sympathetic yet honest response. Feedback falls under a handful of banners:

1) Trite non-advice which completely fails to understand that men are not chased but the chasers, if you're passive then you're fucked, and at the end of the day women are the gatekeepers. E.g. 'just be yourself' 'be more confident' 'you're going to make a lucky girl very happy one day' 'she'll come to you when the time is right' blabla

2) Angry feminist comes in to get me to check my privilege

a) https://exposingfeminism.wordpress.com/shaming-tactics/

b) Nice Guy/Friendzone straw man (ironically ties into attraction is amoral)

c) the "all that glitters is not gold" straw man: '"we're not all like that" "if you stopped generalising with sexist views maybe you'd have a chance" etc.

d) "lower your standards" (ironic because most women don't)

e) Retarded logic like "women have it worse because we have to reject many fugly and boring guys :'("

3) Red pill advice: 'man up' 'stop feeling sorry for yourself' 'stop whining and improve yourself' etc.

4) and the unspoken reality that even asking lowers your SMV.

I'm about to make a CMV about it. So I am massively sexually and romantically frustrated with the modern dating arena. And since encountering TRP and other PUAs, starting off with the rants of freshmen on The Student Room and POF, I no longer 100% trust women in this context. This inevitably makes me a little misogynistic. Just a little. cough

But platonically, I have several friends who are women who I enjoy the company of, and think that they are, like men, wonderful, interesting, intelligent and caring people. Professionally, I've had several lovely supervisors, tutors, counsellors and general mother figures-some of whom frankly saved my life as well. I also believe that as citizens, they (women) face a lot of shit, like risk of rape, street harassment and objectification, which is more physically threatening than the shit than men face-although men obviously face a lot of shit unacknowledged by society, as any MRA will tell you. And, I would never wish domestic or emotional abuse on anyone, man or woman.

I do believe that many of the hottest (and most immature) women do often exploit the pussy pass and are generally narcissistic in a shitty way everywhere they go, and their shit should be called out, but then super-hot guys can also be self-absorbed jerks too.

When I am not too red, I can sort of see that the reason women shoot for Prince Charming, is not so much because they think they deserve him, but also because of insecurities; society demands they they be perfect, to be perfect you have to have perfect, and if you don't have a perfect partner, what does that say about you? And obviously, there is the risk of getting knocked up, abandoned and left unexpectedly a single mom before you're 21, like what happened to my poor sister. So I can sympathise with that fear of commitment.

I hope this answers your question. tl;dr I am resentful when looking for love and don't 100% trust women in this context of modern dating because of their social conditioning, and it pisses me off when they try and make out in any way that it's not harder for men to get laid. But in platonic context I get on fine-ish with them, and look up to many women both historically and in my own life. Personally I'm going blue pill for a little bit in terms of trying to befriend women again, because I believe TRP is most applicable for the 20s dating/ONS arena, and I am too depressed to survive that, so even if TBP is counter-effective in the long-term it's a necessary fall-back at present.

Title	So, why do you "hate" women ?
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