American Men Are Wising Up

Stories_of_Red · 2015-03-10T14:17:50+00:00

In economics it is called responding to incentives. As the cost of marriage goes up, and the benefits go down, you can expect less of it to be engaged in, all things being equal.

The problem will be, of course, what we are already seeing: women will not forgo the benefits of marriage--increased household income, social status, children, child-rearing assistance--just because men do not want to provide them directly. Oh no. Instead it will become a matter of social justice that women are entitled to such benefits, notwithstanding the lack of a marriage partner. Government will take from men what the women demand.

So expect more income transfers to women with children. (income) Expect more rhetoric about how single moms are the best of all people (status), while men who refuse to marry are shamed (status is relative, after all). Expect more government provision of "assistance" in the form of state-paid care for kids, permitting moms to "have a night off" etc.

Happening already. More to come.

renzy77 · 2015-03-10T16:00:00+00:00

We now have a couple of generations of American men who've seen their fathers, their brothers, and their friends go through the divorce meat grinder and who are wisely taking steps to avoid the same fate. The fact that it's taken this long for men to shy away from the institution is a testament to the amount of cultural momentum behind marriage.

johnnight · 2015-03-10T16:13:57+00:00

This isn't even a strike. More like deliberate dismantling. This guy is enjoying the decline:

FlabbaBabbaWabbaJabbaNoonga! • 24 days ago

Millennial male here. I don't even date women anymore. Given my experience with American women, it's unlikely that I'd marry ANY woman, regardless of nationality. I've been in enough countries to see the same software running in all their heads. The only difference is the level to which they can express their degeneracy without invoking the wrath of society around them.

I'd rather work hard and retire at 35 instead. Spend my best years fishing in warm places with funny names. I don't care about preserving a genetic legacy or maintaining the stability of my race or country. I'm not particularly attached to any of it.

Let the conquerors pick up the pieces. I'm going fishing.

Edit: A strike would mean demands for better work conditions and an intention to go back to the assembly line once there is an agreement (MRA). This is more like a permanent abandonment of the work place.

tombreck2 · 2015-03-10T16:10:57+00:00

The more successful a man is at the life then the less reason he has to get married.

Enjoy the betas ladies

crimson-hound · 2015-03-10T17:17:36+00:00

There's really just no point to marriage anymore. At least in the US..

Back in the day, a guy could work on an auto assembly line and earn enough money to buy a 3 bedroom house, car, support a wife and 2.5 children, cat, dog, goldfish and bring the family to the cabin/vacation home for a week or two in the summer.

Today, people in their mid twenties who have a master's degree can't find a job that doesn't come with a pink slip once a year. More and more soldiers are coming home from war with no family, no job, and nowhere to rest their head that's not a street corner or a shelter. Everyone's doped up on different medications (don't get me wrong, sometimes people actually need it, but often times doctors are just pushing product the same way a heroine dealer would).

Single moms who get knocked up by deadbeats live off of state assistance have a more comfortable living than a high school teacher who worked their ass off in school.

That same high school teacher also made the mindful decision to "not have children" or get married because the cost is too much with respect to his income. You could say "well why doesn't the teacher find a better paying job" But fact of the matter is, WE NEED TEACHERS they're a necessary part of our infrastructure.

Welcome to America, where everyone wins except the poor bastard who's breaking his back to make the cogs of this broken machine turn.

EDIT:

Just as I was posting this, my mother (single mom, unemployed for 3 years with no excuses for it, alcoholic, and drug addict) came to my apartment begging me for money. She usually does this once or twice a week. My mother has a master's degree and has worked as an attorney in the past, unfortunately her bad decisions have ruined her career and spiraled down and is at rockbottom now.. She even recently just got denied a waitressing job at a restaurant.

She literally does nothing except sits at her house watching Lifetime TV, getting blackout drunk, and posting brooding, negative FB statuses. She had some boyfriend who was a textbook beta for a while, but she decided she was "too good for him" and dumped him.

This woman is 50 years old; she never grew the fuck up.. And she calls my generation "entitled" and "selfish". The irony of it all…

rp_user · 2015-03-10T17:48:00+00:00

There are 2 men in my office I know who have been through the divorce grinder more than once and another one who thinks LTR is the best way to keep them females in check.

1) Mike has been divorced twice and gave up on the feminine species and now is retired before retirement age and drives a Mustang convertible.

2) Another Mike has been divorced twice and now has a girlfriend whom he can kick out when ever he wants if she become greedy.

3) Has never been married, keeps a GF and that's it.

So yes, men are getting smarter.

I-Am-Dickish · 2015-03-10T18:05:52+00:00

What's hilarious to me, they still seem to be blaming men. It's these damn men thinking logically and not submitting themselves to womanly whims just to perpetuate this shitty society. If they would just worship the pussy, we would have a new generation of children to indoctrinate.

Having sons that you know are going to grow up to be beta is worse than being childless.

Stradivorius · 2015-03-10T19:00:42+00:00

Just sit back, grab a drink, put on some Fade to black by Metallica and enjoy as the world burns around them.

Inyobch · 2015-03-10T16:45:06+00:00

Men getting smarter everyday!!

loin_fruit · 2015-03-10T17:57:07+00:00

Marriage seems to be for those that don't know how to get laid in any other way than being taken/in a relationship. If it was possible for you to get laid all the time while being single and all it costs you is some of your time, why wouldn't you take that over marriage?

Had the conversation with my mom the other day about how I never planned on getting married. She agreed with my decision and said she's glad I don't want to get married, but said cause she would love grand kids.

Sorry that the feminists ruined it mom.

lordofthejelly · 2015-03-11T00:37:06+00:00

500+ comments and almost all of them preach the same message, red pill examples one after another, much of which could have been taken right out of Men On Strike by Helen Smith.

Everyone has a mixture of public views that they share with others, and private views that they keep to themselves. A public view might be "Taxes are too high." I don't care if people IRL know that I think taxes are too high. On the other hand, "Women are not equal to men" is a private view...this one, I don't say out loud. You get the idea
People openly express their private views on the internet, thanks to anonymity

Consequently, we can get a feel for how private views are shifting by reading the comments sections online. People are anonymous, and they say what they think. And by that metric, people's private views are shifting extremely rapidly toward the manosphere...go on any gender-related article online, and the anti-feminist/pro-manosphere comments start appearing almost as soon as the news site hits "Post."

According to a post I saw on /r/AskSocialScience, revolutions generally happen when private views shift on a large scale (but privately) and then suddenly everyone realizes that their private view is actually everyone else's private view too.

I hear lots of talk about "perpetual decline caused by feminism" on TRP, but I think some seismic shifts in our direction are only a few years away.

IceBunz · 2015-03-10T19:51:48+00:00

Humans created marriage after all, it's a flawed piece of shit for an excuse to have children.

Thewinsomeserpent · 2015-03-11T01:31:02+00:00

Is it just me or does the comment "30% of men 20-34 are married" sound stranger than "70% of men 20-34 are not married".

TheRedPilsner · 2015-03-11T02:03:27+00:00

Weddings are a $40 billion a year industry in the United States alone. With less and less men deciding they want to get married, I wonder if we're going to start seeing pro-marriage ad campaigns targeted towards men.

They should hire the same ad agency that does Bud Light commercials.

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SplashArtist · 2015-03-11T01:22:13+00:00

Its because most of the comments ARE from TRP'ers lol!

TekkomanKingz · 2015-03-10T16:53:43+00:00

Maybe we need a TRP News Sub for up to the minute updates :)

chillmonkey88 · 2015-03-11T02:47:29+00:00

Question - do you guys think that the mrm is a losing battle because of men's protector instinct towards women? Thus causing men biological turmoil and stress.

I see this article touched on it and I never thought of it through that perspective - that men don't like to confront women as a whole and would rather walk away from it because we have always been protectors of women since the dawn of time.

I'd make a post about it but I want to read this book first to gain a better perspective but what do you guys think?

Johnny10toes · 2015-03-11T01:32:45+00:00

Don't judge women for their sexual past.

Old habits die hard than the inverse. To say that one's past should not have a correlation with someone's present is to undermine the modern criminal justice system. Case in point: former behaviors often manifest in the present, so it is not illogical to gauge risk woman-to-woman. As for judging, we are all free to do what we please and likewise we are free to suffer the consequences of our actions.

My favorite comment.

Trigger_Warnings · 2015-03-11T12:08:14+00:00

That Deborah Hitchens thing is giving me cancer.

bigyellowtwinki · 2015-03-11T03:11:50+00:00

The statistics are from the US census bureau, but I wonder how they break down. For instance, in the graph provided, it states that from 1999 they started included "separated" people into unmarried. That would skew the results by at least a few percent. Furthermore, I wonder how all of this breaks down according to race. I get the distinct feeling that when people talk about the decline of the West or scary numbers of men not marrying, they're referring to WHITE men. If they lump all of the races into this graph, then who knows if hispanic, latino, and blacks are skewing the data in the same way they skew education data. I suspect a crisis is unfolding where there isn't a crisis. TRP has only 100k readers after, what? 2 years? How long has it been, I forget. Even if we include up to 1 million readers if we combine Chateau Heartiste and all of his clones TRP is still a very small percentage.

I personally don't think men are revolting. I think your average middle class white guy still wants to get married and have kids. The outliers have always played around outside of marriage, it's just that the internet can make small communities seem bigger than they are. It's like atheists on reddit thinking they represent a significant percentage of society.

I also suspect that if the stats are truly correct about white kids, then it's just the milliennial generation showing its passive-aggressive emo behavior. Millennials got stuck with the shittiest depression economy of all time and the most college debt. If millennials had the jobs they were promised you wouldn't see any decline in marriage, or decline in other areas as well. Millennial behavior is just the symptom of what's been brewing since the 70s.

Title	American Men Are Wising Up
Author	bsutansalt
Upvotes	172
Comments	161
Date	March 10, 2015 2:11 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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