Today’s “slut culture” isn’t caused by a lack of slut shaming. It exists BECAUSE of slut shaming.

Helmet_Icicle · 2020-03-18T12:43:20+00:00

Women are the primary perpetrators of cultural suppression of female sexuality.

https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Cultural-Suppression-of-Female-Sexuality-Baumeister-Twenge/26cf592c500860d43ceab39d21816654e53e9c6c

It makes logical sense, if your value is relative then your offer is only as valuable as what the other women are offering.

Social rebellion does nothing to impact men's filtering preferences.

saladfingers4141 · 2020-03-18T11:23:04+00:00

Except that when slut shaming was more common and more socially accepted women slept with less men and behaved more modestly.

If you're theory was correct then more liberal societies would produce less "slutty" women than ones that still actively encourage shaming women. But they don't.

LazerArray · 2020-03-18T11:22:06+00:00

You have to realize that to many women, the simple act of avoiding them due to their “slut” tendencies is seen as slut shaming. If a woman asks to start a relationship and the man tells her the reason he won’t do it (cause she a hoe). We are deemed slut shamers in that regard. We don’t even really have to insult a woman, the act of rejection IS the insult. There is really no nice way to let a girl down when it comes to this. It’s incredibly likely she will get emotional, and because of that she can get vengeful. Not all women, but a large enough amount of women to have men be cautious about hoes.

Melodic_Peach · 2020-03-18T13:19:30+00:00

Men's bodies aren't theirs either imo. Society is strict for all of us. Men are literally sent to war while us women are a larger voting bloc than they are. That's the biggest "your body isn't yours" I can even think of. Every time us women vote for someone that starts a war we're just saying "I am willing to sacrifice some random man's life for this lol".

cresentchild · 2020-03-18T13:02:36+00:00

I agree that women should have full control over their bodies whether it is in how they like to portray themselves in front of people or how they use their genitalia, it’s your body, your choices.

However I don’t believe that (at least in western countries) there is some kind of societal or legal oppressive standard or “slut culture” that implies that women should stay virgins or don’t express their sexuality at all, and men are welcomed to, it’s just not realistic. (And I’m speaking as a female from a predominantly Muslim country, who’s been to western ones before)

If men refuse to accept relationships/sleeping with sexually “liberated” women and feel disgusted by that fact, then I believe it’s also their choice and not a form of “slut shaming” in a sense, since they’re not forcing you to change your lifestyle. It’s just not a desirable trait for some men. I for instance, wouldn’t want a guy who sleeps around, whether society accepts it or not, and I’m not forced to change my choices.

Usually people who slut-shame are other insecure women/conservative family members, and less often society as a whole, cause tbh, (at least in the west) no body gives a shit how you dress or what you do behind closed doors.

I personally, even though I have a high libido, abstain from having multiple sexual partners, because of religious reasons, but mostly for those mental and physical health reasons too

passepar2t · 2020-03-18T11:42:17+00:00

Two things:

What about all the women who slut shame other women? Are they not responsible for this phenomenon you're describing?

And about sex not hurting anybody. Why is it that some women on PPD consistently state that having even consensual casual sex (with a man who doesn't love you or with a low value man) hurts women?

tickledpic · 2020-03-18T14:59:20+00:00

Apparently, the sexual revolution caused women to feel like they can sleep with men with zero repercussions/judgement and that’s why they do it as they wish.

That's not even what these dweebs believe. They think the modern culture has manipulated women to sleep with more men. They can't even fathom that women would actually trully want to sleep with more than 1 or 2 men.

wekacuck · 2020-03-18T11:20:08+00:00

In conclusion, if you really want to be rid of slut/hookup culture, shaming is not the answer.

Shaming and oppression is how it was prevented in the past. What do you think the answer is for people who "really want to be rid of slut/hookup culture"?

smokecheck1976 · 2020-03-18T12:27:43+00:00

You want fair? Women have the right to vote without registering for the draft. You want "Your body is not yours" try instead, "We have the right to send you into any meat grinder we want at any time and if you don't, you go to jail."

What women are essentially being told is that they have something that men want, and by rewarding behaviors that they reward today, they are creating weak, inferior men, that are in turn serving to turn society vulgar because young desirable women seem to react so positively to that behavior. Do what you wish, but expect consequences.

VixDzn · 2020-03-18T13:31:19+00:00

Wholeheartedly agreed

taapy234 · 2020-03-18T15:04:10+00:00

OP, is this some kind of shit test? Some kind of 1984esqe social experiment where you redefine words like we are all some low iq losers or something?

The reason slut culture exists today is because women, particularly the feminist movement has gotten successful in removing the so called "slut shaming" out of the society that protected women from themselves in some instances.

Sluts are prevalent today BECAUSE women got what they wanted from the movement they lead over the decades.

Besides even scientific studies show that the biggest slut shamers are women so the crux of your argument is a moot point now basically.

Men actually like sluts. If it weren't for sluts, I might still be a virgin at this point lol. Its just that we don't like to "settle down" with a sluts.

Easily. You’re not breaking any laws by having sex.

This is a TERRIBLE argument. Just because you can doesn't mean you should. Smoking cigarette is legal. Drinking alcohol is legal. That doesn't mean you shove your face with bottles of alcohol everyday or smoke packs of cigarettes a day.

The point of freedom is that you get to choose your own life the way you wanted instead of having a top down social order dictating you what you should and what you should't do. But women, instead of choosing prefer to "have it all" and abuse the previleges they enjoy in their youth.

Whats the point of freedom if you use freedom to cause social dysfunction?

It’s HER decision to make.

You got to make up your mind here. Do you want to live in a society where we make informed decisions or do you want to live in a society where people make binary choices that disproportionately favors one side?

women chose the side to have casual sex with chads only.

Are you willing to accept the reality if men start to respond to this by foregoing commitment? This is already happening in recent years to women haven't found a LTR by age 30 or more. Women are struggling to find a LTR when they hit the 30+ age group.

Nobody cares what guys do with their dicks.

Maybe this is true about the top % of guys, but the wider society literally gives less of a shit about men's well being other than about their economic productivity or stuff like that that hits the bottomline of the society in general.

Men rage all the time about 80/20 and hypergamy even though it’s totally logical and based in biology.

This is another terrible argument. Appeal to biology. You got to think through the implications of what you are talking about before hitting the submit button. We don't live in a animal kingdom, do we?

Do you want the logic of the wild dictate your life?

There's a reason we call it "civilized society". We separate ourselves with the rest of the animals and do stuff like building a civilization like what we live in today. You want primitive logic to dictate your life? Are you really willing to accept that in place of what we already have now?

Take some time and think things through about the implications of what you are saying.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-03-18T15:55:18+00:00

I’m really not sure if this sub of mainly men will understand this, but being told what to do with the body you (and only you) carry around everyday can easily breed resentment.

You mean like when the fruits of my labor are taken for granted?

Oh wait, no, there isn't a giant movement around bodily autonomy as it corresponds to labor, y'all just take that shit for granted. And if free contraceptives / abortion / food / internet / housing needs to take more from the fruits of my bodily labors, then no one even questions it.

But yeah totally, we silly men wouldn't understand, having social consequences for our actions and such. I actually don't know what it's like to face no real duties and not be held to a higher standard of behavior and conduct, because I'm a man, and am.

ResponsibleCharacter · 2020-03-18T15:57:20+00:00

Men slut shame cause they’re jelly. Even if a woman has a low n for her age, some men will be shit about it because if they could they’d fuck half the neighborhood, and also because their ego cannot abide the idea of comparison/competition between them and other males. We see it on here all the time: men absolutely raging, seething with jealousy over the fact that... it’s easy for women to get laid should they choose. Which is because of male thirst. So basically they’re angry at their own gender lmao

I often say, the fact that women cheat less than men despite having 1,000,000x more opportunities to do so (like... walk out your door, make eye contact with male = opportunity) shows that the male hatred of females for their sexuality is entirely because of their own degenerate nature. We have nothing to do with it. If women acted like men sexually, we’d have an n= 300 by the age of 21. Plus society and all social groups would dissolve due to the utter fuckfest it would be without women gatekeeping sex.

So keep your whining about having to pay for dates and offer some form of assurance/commitment for a woman to engage with you sexually to yourself. We dgaf.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-03-18T16:58:08+00:00

> but you are not hurting anybody when you have sex.

1) You risk getting STDs and passing them to others

2) You risk an unwanted pregnancy, which, if you decide to take it to term, will generally have negative consequences for yourself and the child

3) You lower the overall value of sex in the market place. Women that wanted to withold sex or use sex as a bargaining ship to obtain commitment, find themselves unable to do so. In fact, some of the most acrid slutshamers are women themselves.

4) you help reduce the value of women to a sexual object (finally I agree with the feminazis on something

5) You help banalise sex as something casual, transactional and unimportant, when it has been shown over and over that sex, for many, has psychological benefits, but also consequences that can be negative when people get attatched

I am all in for sexual freedom, for living and letting live and for not getting myself into other people's private lives but it is UNDENIABLE that promiscuity can potentially harm others. The sexual revolition of the 60's is rife with examples of negative consequences.

Here's a wikipedia article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_human_sexual_promiscuity

and I don't like sluts, so.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-03-18T17:24:34+00:00

Your entire argument has a screw loose. When men are no longer required to pay child support, alimony, or share any marital resources, and all tax collection for single moms is taken from women only... then nobody will care who women choose to sleep with. However, as long as the large majority of women can sleep around and have children with whatever men they want... and then find another man to stick with the bill... the situation will continue.

Do I not use my body to create income? What right does any woman have to it?

Corrision · 2020-03-18T17:53:00+00:00

Everyone gets so mad about slut shaming but shame people for anything they can find. What's the difference between slut shaming and shaming someone for picking their nose?

HOLYREGIME · 2020-03-18T17:58:42+00:00

In conclusion if you really want to be rid of slut/hookup culture. Shaming is not the answer.

Who said we wanted to get rid of the slut/hook up culture? Not I. Sluts have a very important role in society and their need increases by the day.

The issue is when sluts only slut for Chad.

I’m a 6 and Becky is a 6. If I want to have sex with Becky I have to start a relationship with her. If chad wants to have sex, all he has to do is send of a couple of texts and she’ll be right over.

Now if I want to finally have sex I have to do the monkey dance, lower my standards and have some luck on my side.

When Becky and I hit 26-27 she’ll come back around and pretend she was always in love with me after wiping chads spunk off her face.

No thank you Becky, go back to Chad, oh wait, Chad found himself a Stacy or rotated you out for a different Becky. Good luck.

FluffyOstrichegg · 2020-03-18T12:13:31+00:00

Yeah, you can see this in Saudi Arabia where adulterers get beheaded and women respond by slutting around.

NeedingAdvice86 · 2020-03-18T13:20:50+00:00

Nope.....this stupid shit of PPD vomiting out the exact opposite to reality is so, so very tedious, but expected at this point.

Next will be a post screaming about why can't those hot, successful men NOT UNDERSTAND that my having fucked the entire 2nd Avenue McDonald staff and bouncer crew at Disgusty dive bar should show that I am the perfect wifey? They must be insecure and jealous for picking that more stable, hotter woman that respected herself, had discipline and the emotional\mental stability for controlling her behavior.......yeah, this is it, they are just insecure for picking the better, more quality, healthier option.

Surely, if they could have only been there in the back of that 85 VW Jetta for the stoned out of my mind, hump, hump and squirt with whats his face, the fry cook\wannabe drug dealer who overdosed on meth a couple of weeks later, then they would know how I am 'high' quality. Good luck with that....

Nobody is shaming sluts....normal, quality men just avoided them like the Wuhan virus. These men with options simply have been self-quarantining from sluts for eons and will continue to do so.

But not to worry you will usually have a supply of thirsty, HB4 and HB5 men lining up to poke....you just have to steadily hold the mouth vomit for the decreasingly quality of the guys. But by that time, it is usually too late and you can learn to squint your eyes really hard to convince yourself that the dadbod, extremely awkward, slightly oft-putting mall kiosk\used car salesmen is really, really exactly what you always dreamed of waking up next to every morning....

Sorry you chose badly......there are consequences to decisions.

DIOsaurusRex · 2020-03-18T13:04:38+00:00

They are just angry that women only get turned on for young ripped muscular Chads. And their money isn't going to make their small dick look more appealing to us. We make our own money now. We are choosing the superior younger hotter men to sleep with and that dives losers crazy.

That's what scares these guys so bad. They know they can't compete and wont get chosen.

They are going to rage & get triggered by us giving them this pill but it's true. Women love looks just the same as men. There's a HUGE HUGE difference between a man who can get into my pants within an hour of knowing me and a man who needs to betabux, be my emotional tampon, and do favors and chores for me for months before I finally have sex. It's looks. Did I mention that difference is something you can immediately see?

Men are so afraid of being judged by their looks like women are.

wtknight · 2020-03-18T11:23:01+00:00

You are half right. It was caused by resentment that men are not shamed enough for being “sluts”, but women were. Sexually successful men are celebrated, so feminism makes women think that they should be able to have this same “empowering” male freedom too in order to bring about sexual equality.

Frankly, I think that men and women should be shamed equally when it comes to casual sex. The attitude of the manosphere, though, is that men and women are different and should be treated as such when it comes to how they are viewed regarding their sexual behavior prior to a relationship. It’s only natural for men to think this way due to instinctive paternity fraud worries.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-03-18T13:49:08+00:00

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reluctantly_red · 2020-03-18T14:04:08+00:00

What's wrong with "giving your body away"?

Seems much better than selling it.

Tonga89 · 2020-03-18T15:41:53+00:00

I don't know what is causing women to sleep around and I don't really care neither.

But I wanted to point out that I've explained this nonsense of the "double standard" in other thread.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/fee33h/there_isnt_such_thing_as_a_double_standard/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

Men don't slut shame. They love to fuck sluts.

They just choose to not marry sluts. That's not a double standard. That's not slut-shaming. That's mate selection.

Women are the ones slut-shaming.

Women are the ones that don't feel "jealous" about the sluttier women, and also are the ones refusing to send cunt picks to every guy on Tinder.

Men feel jealous of men fucking around. They don't praise these men, they regard them with a mix of jealousy and contempt.

Do women want to end this situation?

Start to send cunt pics.

Start conversations like "Ey u cute. Dtf?"

Go follow Sasha Grey on IG. Praise how good she is choking on dat dik. How gorgeous she looks while being spit roasted by a gang of dudes.

Have you seen leftists wearing T-Shirts with Che Guevara's face on it? Well, you should do the same with the Kardashians and Pam An. Make them libfem cultural symbols.

Learn to deepthroat like a champion. Let guys check all the boxes of their "things to do" with you. Pull hair? Checked. Choke/spit in your mouth? Checked. Facial? Checked. Slap your face with his dick? Checked. Lick his ass? Checked.

Your slutty friend that had to sit on her knees for a week becouse she got her ass wreked by a complete stranger in the bathroom of a bar? Cheer her up. She's a pioneer. A revolutionary wumin.

And make sure everybody knows HOW EASY the hooker in the park has it couse she's eating dick left and right every night and getting paid for it.

Yeah... Start to pay men for sex, also.

And if nothing of this makes any fucking sense to you by now then you get the point. Women are the ones slut-shaming, and hell they know damn well why.

Men love pornstars.

Men pay for sex with hookers.

Men are the ones going to strip clubs.

Men wish life was a one night stand after another.

Consecuently, there is no reasson to think that men want to slut-shame sluts.

2020-03-18T15:53:24+00:00

Lol slut shaming isn't even a thing. It's like "transphobia".

It doesn't exist but, it talked about as it does exist.

ILikeToArgueALot · 2020-03-18T16:43:58+00:00

The reason you get slut shames is because its easy to do it and youre taking advantage of it. Slut shaming is mens way of making things fair and balanced. Even though we love sluts, we still hate the fact its easier for them to get laid.

Its your body your choice. But dont get angry if a man refuses to marry you because you slept with 100 guys. Its gross for multiple reasons.

2020-03-18T18:23:01+00:00

I really don't understand the meaning of "slut culture", but I do see the world "slut" used left and right, by both men and women.

IMO the world slut should be eradicated from the dictionary, I see no use for it, and - in a way - is a bad label for some very pleasant behavior.

I am a guy, I like sex, I like sex with a woman who also like sex; I also like wild/kinky sex, and I like wild/kinky sex with a woman who likes wild/kinky sex. And I have had my more than fair share of sexual partners. And I a slut? nope. And I wouldn't be a slut if I was a woman.

That's my position, and I stand by it.

P.S.: I just checked my calendar, it's 2020 C.E.

CMOAN_MAYNE · 2020-03-18T23:03:34+00:00

This is a bad take

iceicle999 · 2020-03-18T23:58:57+00:00

This reminds me of when redditors in the past would whine collectively about how guys won't date women in porn, how all the women who have ever done porn would have such a hard time finding a decent conservative white guy. This website is full of bored weirdos who feel sorry for themselves, need an axe to grind and who need to be victims.

zino193 · 2020-03-18T12:45:39+00:00

Having traveled a lot trought patriarchy I have to say - that's a meme.

Young liberated women are more prudent and chaste than women in traditional countries where nobody talks about this stuff. Actually I would bet anything that a modern catholic italian girl has seen more dicks than the average feminist. IF we are talking pure number - not actual experimentation and kink.

I think you are judging things based on the advertisement of slag culture - those iconic images of young girls in short skirts pissed and pissing in the streets. Or the average rave girl that has a blow bang in the toilet while on holiday in berlin. Sure -these girls exist - but given that half the world population is female - if that was common behavior there would not be a ball not emptied on planet earth ever - those girls are prolific - and there's just not enough balls on earth if all women were like that or that was at least moderately common.

What is a slut culture is in the rank of young women that feel that having sex isn't just a freedom or a right, but a way towards intimacy, social power or even boredom. I am far from being a teen girl - but I seen way to many girls, that don't want to have sex, that have sex for a wide variety of reasons, from boredom to getting back on a friend that was rude to her.

But even as such - I don't see a problem with it. Show me the women that was emotionally broken by too much dick, and I will show you a woman that had issues way before - and sex was just a way to seek comfort, intimacy, power, self ownership and so on. THe problems being older, and usually way sadder than being used by 5 guys while passed out.

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DangZagnut · 2020-03-18T12:56:07+00:00

I don’t give a shit about sluts and n-counts, that’s an argument teens and pussy worshippers make because of some religious nonsense. Whatever.

I prefer sluts because they, in general, are better and pleasing me.

However I won’t give a slut, or a virgin for that matter, any money, which really is what being a slut is all about. All that delicious money, a sluts true love.

Now women pretend to call that “commitment” but they really don’t care. It’s just money.

I mean it’s not about the sex. The sex is just to get the money.

Now the trad cucks and women’s apologists get mad at that for *some reason”, even though women are straight up telling you that these days.

So get mad at women your worshippers and hymen fetishists. Not me for merely stating observations.

Title	Today’s “slut culture” isn’t caused by a lack of slut shaming. It exists BECAUSE of slut shaming.
Author	fuckthistension
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Date	March 18, 2020 11:07 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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