Alright boys, it seems the sex gods are bestowing bounty upon my soul as of recently.
TL;DR •match with girl on Monday •plan coffee shop date on Thursday • meet girl at 8 •coffee shop closes and we're back at my place at 9 •9:45 she's riding me like she's in the PBR
So I'll cover a couple different topics in this field report. Everything from:
•Simple tinder opening
•Logistics of planning your date
• Knowing when to shut up
•Reading body language
•Watching her actions, not her words
•Getting past LMR/ASD
I took the liberty to really go into depth on this one for the new guys and Autists. You're welcome.
On Monday I match with this girl. 18, Bleach blonde, tall, and nice ass, studying pre-med, a solid HB7. We're call her "J."
Now I'm a firm believer that on tinder, cheesy pickup lines and name puns are for faggots. Every BPer out there is sending her the same bullshit line she's probably heard 1000 times that week. DON'T DO THIS. YOU WILL GET NOWHERE.
I send every girl I match with the same line. Its nice and simple, conveys sexual interest, and leaves her somewhere to pick the conversation up with. I don't have to make any effort trying to think of some dumb pun in hopes that I impress her with my wit and charm. (I leave that for in person)
So what's this magical line you ask?
"You're cute, I had to say hello."
What? Is this guy fucking serious? That's the dumbest shit Ive ever read.
Maybe. But "its not stupid if it works."
I will 95% of the time get a positive reply back. Why? 1. Its not a shitty pun, or cheesy pickup line. It conveys that I'm serious in getting to know her. 2. Right out of the gate it shows I have sexual interest in her and that I'm not here to just be her "friend." 3. Its a compliment, that they will most likely return back. Example: "thank you! You're pretty cute too, I had to say hi back!" Now you know where you stand in her mind.
This is where you seal the deal. Don't pussy foot around on this. This is tinder, she has Chads coming at her from every inch and corner, just waiting to be next on that carousel.
Don't try to get to know her or ask her questions. You can do this in person. Simply suggest the date and close!
"Let's grab drinks." "Let's grab some coffee." "Let's grab ice cream."
It doesn't matter what you do just get it done.
She agrees to the date. Hopefully, you have common sense, and you didn't ask her "so uhhhh where do you want to go?" You should already know this! Quoting a post on here about first dates "you should have everything planned, all she has to do is show up."
Now, getting into the logistics of the meet up. Make sure it's close to your place or hers. The next venue is always going to be one of those two. In this case I chose a little coffee shop not even a 1/4 mile from my apartment.
Time is important! J's schedule gave me two options around 1 in the afternoon or after 7 that night. If you want to be her new best friend and listen to her problems while you sip on your frozen pussiccino, you'll pick the day time date. If you want to get her back to your place and give her the best dick of her life you'll pick the night time date.
Why the night time? Because women are creatures of the night, this when they let loose, and put their inhibitions to the wind! I actually have no idea, but when the coffee shop closes at 9, it makes for a smooth segue back to your place, and if you played your cards right, a plausible deniability situation for her to work off of.
The date is set on Monday, we're meeting up on Thursday. Three whole days before I meet this girl, what do I do?! Did I text her cute smileys and say good morning and ask her how her day went everyday? FUCK NO. I did nothing. As you should do as well. Think of it like talking to the police without your lawyer present. You have nothing to gain, but everything to lose. DO NOT TALK TO HER. she sent me some snaps of her a couple of times and I ignored them. The only time I texted her was around 4 on Thursday to let her know we still have a date tonight. This will keep you and your personality a mystery only furthering her attraction before you even meet.
I show up fashionably late as with any date I go on, I'm playing the dread game and keeping them on their toes and giving their hamster a little workout before I even meet her. "Did he stand me up?" "Why isn't he here already?" "What an asshole."
Anyways, I meet J, give her a hug and kiss on the cheek. (kino escalating right off the bat) if you're an awkward person, maybe not start off with that, but I was feeling cocky and I figured I didn't have anything to lose. She was definitely surprised, a little rosy tint came across her face and she had already forgot that I was 10 minutes late.
I recently read a first date post that had the great tip of always sitting next to the girl and never across from them. So I took heed with that advice, as J sits down on one of the couches expecting me to sit in the chair across from her, I plop my ass down right next to her with my arm over the top. She didn't object or give me a shit test about it, so go ahead try that one on your next date.
Now, at first this girl was a little tricky. She seemed kinda shy and introverted as we talked about mundane bullshit. There would be a couple of instances of an awkward pause between subjects. If this happens to you, don't fumble about for a new topic or blabber about how awesome you are. Say nothing. Maintain eye contact with a smile. It will be awkward at first, but give it a couple seconds and she'll soon give you something to talk about. We eventually connect on the subject of art. I paint, she sketches. (I now have the ace up my sleeve for later)
At this time the coffee shop is giving us the last call and telling us we gotta leave soon. Now, I was still shaky on this girl. Maybe she's the two or three date type of girl, the innocent type, I might have to call it a night here and go home with my dick in my hand.
I throw a little Hail Mary out to see where her intentions lie, earlier she had told me she had to go home and study for a test the next day so I tell her. "Well, I suppose I'll let you go so you can get to studying for that test." She bounces back with "its only a German vocabulary test." She apparently was pretty fluent with German already so she was giving me the green light.
Remember that ace up my sleeve? That's right, the plausible deniability card. "Well, shit. I live right down the street want to come see my art?" You can use any excuse you want for this to work. "Hey, have you seen x movie/show? You gotta see it! I have it at my place." It's just a nice little work around for her ASD. She'll tell her friends "I went back to his place but only to see his art!" And she won't be seen as slut.
So we get back to my apartment I take her to my studio and I'm showing her my work. She's living out her hot art guy fantasy and is now beginning to size me up. The shy and introverted innocent girl is now giving me the fuck me eyes and getting closer to me. The conversation soon dies out. This is where you make the move, keep the conversation dead. I look her in the eyes for a couple seconds pull her in to kiss her and she practically jumps on me.
I throw her on the couch and we're making out, Shes grinding on me, I'm feeling up her shirt. Its all going smooth. Then that pesky LMR pops up. She stops me and says "let's just keep it light tonight it's only the first date" I give her a little smirk and say "yeah, I agree." And without skipping a beat go right back to where we left off. Don't be a bitch about it. Simply resume where you left off like nothing happened, she will do 1 of 2 things; 1. Tell you flat out no and end it or 2. Keep going along. This is where you need to watch her actions, not her words. Betas will give up after she brings in the LMR they'll white knight and "respect her feelings." She was grinding on me, breathing heavy, and still making out, I wasn't convinced she actually wanted to stop.
Side note: don't waste your time if she brings in the ASD/LMR more than twice. End it and try again next time or it could come off a little Rapey.
5 minutes later she starts blowing me, and god damn is this girl a pro. I haven't seen ball control like that since Ronaldo. Now in my head I figure if she's blowing me she's definitely going to fuck, so I go in for the kill one more time, she puts up a little resistance saying it isn't logical to fuck on the first date (this is simply a false statement women don't use logic they go off emotions.) and now Ive grown impatient. So I say "tell me now you don't want it." She comes back with "I want it." Boom. All systems go, Houston we have lift off!
I met this girl an hour ago off tinder and now she's getting plowed like snow in Chicago.
A lot of the lessons in this FR are basic 101 things Ive simply parroted in this post. I'm not bringing anything new to the table, but with my experience, it should give you good breakdown and lay out on how to combine multiple theories and have them play off each other to ultimately get you the lay.
My only advice is to simply go out and use the RP. Every time an excuse pops in your head, just say fuck it, and see where the RP will take you. Or, continue to make excuses like a BP beta. Your choice.
Makes me reconsider dating apps. Well done during the date. Good post, OP.
If you aren't using dating apps in 2017 you are playing at a disadvantage. It's essentially take-out delivery for dates. At the very least it opens doors... hundreds and hundreds of doors.
We're all tired of "guys, guys, I made a fake profile with a hot girl, and wow the swipes!!!!" and a typical response is "try making a profile with a fugly girl....wow, the swipes"
Now try making a profile as a mid 40's dude.....
Wow, the cat ladies!
I'd suggest clover for the older crowd.
Doors to bots? How am i at a disadvantage if i can pull numbers with ease in person, but can't even get a match on Tinder?
Well I guess that's a personal problem...
Okay..? But again how am I at a disadvantage here?
Because tinder is so easy and if you're not doing it then that means whatever girl you see will be using tinder to keep her options open. I think everyone uses it now.
You sure about that? Everyone uses tinder? You have some statistics on that or you just pull it out your ass?
It's a supplement. If you're doing both, it's better than doing just one.
Your game is your game and if you can pull in-person, well then just fuck it and don't bother with online game. I am terrible with approaches IRL so I have gravitated to online game and I do OK.
And 75% of those doors are men
Talking to a girl in the real world is like matching a girl
LOL. Pretty much true. Few people have an interesting enough career to meet girls day-to-day and cold apprach or the bar scene is so 20th century.
I've been using online dating apps since 1999.
If you want to talk really retro, I did telephone dating in 1993. My buddies wrote me off as a desperate loser until I dropped the 8-by-10 head shot of the fashion model I fucked the night before.
It's pussy delivery. I'm a terrible tipper, I'm always stiffin em.
what about if you are a sub 6 male and only match with landwhales or girls that ghost you, leading to lowered self esteem?
Work out and get plastic surgery.
Work out im fine with and do everyday and sometimes a rest day. I don't lift to get buff though, i just want to be lean.
Plastic surgery is a nono. I'm not some gayass bitch who needs approval from people i don't know.
If need be i'll just use a prosti. All the women only want my money anyway
Then you're fine. You do you I suppose is always the moral of the story.
Makes me reconsider time machines.
Again, put me on Tinder and block everyone's age, I'd do just fine.
Edit: Yes, I am annoyed that online dating for me is nothing but Post WallSPLAT Cat Colonists.
Tinder Gold lets you hide your age.
Paying to meet 90% shitty, crazy, single mothers is not my idea of a good time, but to each his own.
That's different from everyone's age being blocked. Women look for reasons to disqualify you, and hiding your age is one of them.
I'm built, and if everyone's age was blocked, I could compete. I'm guessing I'd have to be ripped to get away with hiding my age. Starting 5X5's tomorrow, from an athletic, not skinny fat base.
I'm happy to hear I'm wrong, if other mid 40's dudes have had any luck hiding their ages. I'd love to be wrong, in fact.
Seriously, where's the SOP for mid-forties dudes?
This dude wrote it, I'm sure you're familiar with him: /u/VasiliyZaitzev
I think it's threading the needle, and I'll use him for an example. His physical description is as a large hairy man made of spare dinosaur parts, but he's in good shape and has level 99 IDGAF. He fronts his own band, and plays volleyball. Two excellent vectors for new women.
It's about being around hot young women but not acting like a child. If you are going after younger women....that's where I still am, mostly due to life circumstance....my last gf was a smokeshow 20 years younger than I am. I'm good looking and charismatic enough to continue to compete for the most desirable women.
A brief review of my posting history, though, shows you a man scared to death of women his age. I don't have the right mindset yet. I could get past the saggy tits....hell, even my unicorns tits were sagging some at 23, after weight loss. I can't get past the "why not" and the emotional manipulation. Better to hold out for the smokeshows totally beyond my grade. Game Theory 101, they won't lock me down, and rarely will even admit they are seeing me.
If that's not you......if you can hold your emotions in check more effectively than I can....I think there are many decent women worth having fun with in their 30's and even early 40's. As I've already said today, though, you have to keep your shit tight. My father's seduction technique was domestic incompetence. Don't be him, unless you want a wife. Because a domestic woman can improve your life so much your Frame will be shattered. If you have a solid frame, hell, do what you want.
edit: wait, that was a rhetorical question, wasn't it?
'Because a domestic woman can improve your life so much your Frame will be shattered.'
The sad truth. They become mommy and you their little baby.
I probably exaggerate, but, other than being tall, I am just barely average-looking with a serious tilt towards ugly. Not "makes people run screaming from the room" but I am not conventionally handsome.
Good enough shape, one supposes, but the "Level 99 DGAF" is 100% dead on balls accurate.
One must make oneself exceptional in one or more ways. I have to say, young women get a whiff that I'm in a band and it's like catnip.1
Indeed. Be the guy with something going on, who isn't drooling over their titties, at least not right away.
I also Day Game like a motherfucker, and pre-qualify my women, per my discussion in "Older Men, Younger Women."
1 It also helps that I am the singer, although I was not always, and that I write music, and that I have a few songs on my phone, and I'm actually good, although there are few things more subjective than music. Does one have to be in a band? Fuck no. And guys who do it for pussy don't last. That said, set yourself apart in some way. I also participate in the shooting sports and I texted a photo to each of my OLTRs. OLTR2 dug it, because it makes me "dangerous", but I could sense in her replies that OLTR1 was getting moist. Choose things you like and be excellent at them.
Everything you need to know is here: Older Men, Younger Women: How & When It Can Work
-For Older Men who prefer Younger Women, and vice versa.
You're welcome.
Hiding your age just makes it creepy
Its not creepy, it helps some people get over their preconceived notions of what they think they want... vs. what they will really accept.
In person, I routinely meet people who think I am 10 years younger than I am... Why shouldn't I have that same success if I was to use an online app?
Many people, admittedly, get to hung up on age... Eliminate the age discussion (or never have it) and you'll see how far things can really go sometimes between two people who are compatible...
Plus, this self imposed age bias, changes over time, until you get old enough, that it doesn't really matter anymore... for both men and women.
Or just use a fake fb. Do you really want to bang some hit lunatic and have her get access to your real profile? I'm off social media completely. I just made an account under a fake name for tinder. Makes it easier to cut contact with one night stands.
This.
Sometimes some guys get swamped in logistics in a way that I can't really comprehend.
That's it. I think these are pretty straightforward. It's not rocket science.
I posted on asktrp but there was no traffic. Logistics on the fake account? Pics probably shouldn't be shared. Tinder uses the attractiveness of your Facebook friends to calibrate, from what I remember. I'm sure it's straightforward, but I think Facebook has talented engineers looking out for this sort of thing.
Don't overcomplicate it.
Create a fake FB account, just upload your best pictures and use that for tinder.
Dude seriously just lie about your age. Say you're 35. We talked about meatspace, def stay there since you're comfortable, but now that I think of it if age is your limiting factor just lie about it.
Shit, it's hardly lying. 45 in this shape is 35. Not just lifting, cardio, lifestyle, but facial moisturizer, under eye cream......shit, I don't even care about being caught, once they're in front of me.
Shit man, my unicorn, she's lamenting that every dude she dates falls hard for her, she wants to keep things casual.
I know there's a market out there.
tinder in 2012 was chill. by 2016 the 100's of matches made even 2's think they deserve 10's. just kind of over putting in more effort just to get less
I use it even though I'm in relationship. When shit hits the fan, I'll have some pussy lined up.
"Haven't seen ball control like that since Ronaldo" Golden
"now she's getting plowed like snow in Chicago" as well haha
"Tell me you don't want it" never fails. Great line.
I learned that line from Charlie Harper.
I feel it lol im just being a prick. I tried tinder never got results. Constant swiping bleh
Its really just a numbers game man. I might get 10 matches in a week. 2 of those turn into dates. 1 will eventually flake. So I just try to hit those numbers. Of course I'm going out on the weekends and doing IRL pulls. But tinder is like free slots, sometimes you hit the jackpot, sometimes you don't win shit. Lol.
https://imgur.com/gallery/qEf86
No, its a matter of how attractive you are. You're probably semi-attractive even if not chad. Some guys get Aero. Zilch. Cero. matches.
Get some decent semi-professional photos with a camera or a good phone. Have a friend do them, or look for an aspiring photographer and pay him a few bucks. Have photos in interesting locations, make sure the lighting is good, and your face looks at its best. Convey different emotions in your photos. Be in the center of the photo always. No selfies and sunglasses. Wear clothes that fit you. Have a sense of style.
If you're still not getting any after doing this, then complain.
I'll get plastic surgery first.
I'm average and currently have 225 matches.
You probably underrate yourself then and/or are tall.
Those numbers are cake in NYC.
Over how much time? You're probably above average.
A year in a city of 380,000. And most are probably 5-8s I have had a few 9 matches and managed to fuck the one at least. Most of the girls I want to match with I never match with though.
Based on those numbers, I would have to guess that you're not only above-average looking, but that you actually have competence when it comes to creating a profile (something that many guys don't have).
I tried using Tinder once in a metro area slightly larger than where you are. I consider myself average in looks and probably (at the time) below average in terms of making a competent profile. I probably ended up with between 40 and 50 matches total that weren't bots or completely fugly women.
Plus, Tinder openly came forward and admitted that their algorithm favors people who get right swipes. The more "likes" you get, the more people's queues you'll get put in. As a result, most guys' profiles fade into obscurity after only a few weeks. The fact that you were still getting matches at all after a year means that you were getting consistent right-swipes.
But at the least you wasted like. 10 minutes a day swiping? I don't get the hate.
The hate comes from the fact that they are not being honest with themselves, that they are not doing the things they need to be doing in their life to make themselves more attractive or interesting, that they are not willing (or able) to approach and communicate with girls, and they are not willing (or able) to learn the techniques.
For some guys, its just easier to hate (to bitch and moan) then to change \learn \grow \adapt.
As the saying goes "haters gonna hate"
Try the paid version you suddenly get a lot more
i thought getting laid on the first date was the whole point of tinder. good break down of your method even though i'm tinder averse. actually never even tried it--IRL or nothing for me
You would think. But some put up the "no hookups" or "looking for friends" wall. Which really means I'm waiting for the right chad to come along or free meal ticket.
Yea you're on a dating site swiping guys who you find attractive to be your friend. LOL They kill me with that shit.
No. The "looking for friends" line either a shit test, like the other guy pointed out, or an alibi in case someone they know catches them on the app. I mean seriously who the fuck would want or have to use Tinder to find friends?!?
This is just a shit test. Ignore what she says.
Can confirm. I used OKCupid for a day. I got 7 matches and 1 girl I talked to who was like a 7 and had the no hookups and looking for friends thing. I literally opened with "blah blah...let's be friends i'm not looking for creepy datey or sexy stuff" and she comes back with "i'm looking for the creepy datey or sexy stuff". No, thank you.
Why did you open up with that?
We matched and I didn't want to fuck/date her. My female friends help me get laid and tons of shit bro. So do my gay friends. They're just women with dicks and testosterone. Others here say they can't be friends but that just tells me they don't know how have a network. I don't want to get into an argument on the semantics of the word "friend".
This x 100: "looking for friends" == waiting for Chad
This is why girls go on Tinder. Also, so they can fuck guys without their friends slut shaming them (or go behind their boyfriend's back).
It's a Brave New World boys - adapt or die.
So do you seriously go straight from “You’re cute, I had to say hello.” to “Let’s grab drinks,” with nothing in between besides her response?
Seems a little fast to me, but if it works it works. I’ve used that first line on 5 girls today and have gotten positive responses from them all. The response is usually “aw thank you, you’re a cutie too.”
It is. Just not for the bottom 80%
First off I want to say some guys write field reports on here can come across as a cocky douchebags.
Yours may come across that way to some guys here, but I personally loved the post because it made it a much more fun read. Plus it was funny.
Everything you said is right and your advice is sound.
I've had as I'm sure other guys have had similar experiences.
I'll add my two cents. A lot of guys will see some of these girls on tinder act innocent. You know they say they don't party, they don't smoke or anything. They say they are nerdy, don't have a lot friends, don't go out and are shy. Guys if they are on tinder they are there for sex or there for attention because they are bored. Its one of two things.
I remember two years ago I met this Asian (Filipino) chick on tinder. Played the innocent game, in med school blah blah blah. Never forget she gave me a blow job in a school parking lot (it was at night guys) on the first date. Honestly I was shocked myself when it happened and yea I did lose respect for her (the little I had), but hey I enjoyed it while it lasted.
That's all you need to know about these women on dating sites.
I never said it was an accomplishment. It was just laid out field report from A-Z on a basic interaction that a lot of men seem to struggle with in this sub.
Lifting stats are missing from your post.
Tinder is great when you're first learning game because it can give you a high volume of dates to get some experience, after that it's borderline useless. It's time consuming, it doesn't really refine your game at all, and there aren't many if any legitimately high quality girls that are actively seeking to meetup with guys from tinder.
It takes so much time to go from every girl available to swipe, to just the girls who are down to meet up with me. Sifting through that pool is a HUGE pain in the ass. Something like 1% of the girls you swipe right on are actually down to meetup, and a solid portions of your dates will be garbage as well.
You can't refine your game because you're talking to girls that already like you quite a lot, they picked you over the other 100 dudes messaging them. All you really have to do is go through the motions and things will go well. She's already decided that you're a winner.
Last point ties back to the first one, but the app(especially in the 18-22 range) has basically become 60% hot or not simulator and 40% dating app. Most girls on the app never even intend on meeting up with any guy, they're just soaking up the validation. High quality men can't exist on tinder without sacrificing some of their standards.
I disagree completely. Tinder is a useful tool. That's it. It allows you to access a broader pool of broads. It is useful for travel and moving to new cities. And it gives you plenty of opportunities to fine tune game. It's a good thing to have on the utility belt. I've pulled about half of the women I've hooked up with on 2016-2017 from Tinder.
I never said it wouldn't get you laid. I said it wastes a ton of time and doesn't actually help your game.
What does your profile say?
just wanted to say good job on your opener. that's a good balanced line.
people trying to be unique or funny are just stupid
I just start with "hey" and know that if they think im cute, they will respond.
something that WILL occur on your first tinder date is moments where the girl will refuse your suggestion/advance. I've had it happen to me multiple times and blew my chances on reacting badly (I have my examples if anyone cares). This is a great guide to understanding how you should react
Usually i dont take so called pua community serious, but this article was spot on. I really liked how thr author sees the challenges as an opportunity.
Please go ahead and share your experiences. I am interested to hear them out
Definitely, the author wrote this article with a great deal of passion behind it and it speaks to you through his own perception of the topic.
As for my experiences, one happened not too long ago when I was grabbing some food from Moe's. I'd stop by every other week and I'd usually see this cute girl make my food. One day when I was in after playing tennis all day I invited her to join me sometime. She playfully responded with "I mean maybe I would but I've never played" I jumped at the opportunity to say "Well give me your number and I'll hit you up the next time I go." She gave it to me and in my head I'm thinking I'm golden but when I did hit her up later she said she didn't really like exercise. She then ignored my texts insisting she'd be fine. She wanted to do something else with me but I misunderstood it as her blowing me off (refusing me).
Another occurred when I was just starting out in college, I picked up a job at Pizza Hut as a delivery driver. One of my coworkers was a smoking hot discount Megan Fox. Anyway one day I notice this thing sticking out of the back of her jean back pocket. At first I thought it was netting of some sort but then realized her pocket was just inside-out. I told her it was inside-out and she looks at me over her shoulder and asks in a pretty seductive tone "Are you looking at my butt?" which caught me so off-guard that I stammered and said "N-no.. It's just white soo it stuck out." and walked off. She was rejecting me looking at her butt and I acted like a scared kid. She did not "test" me again after that
These are good experiences to take lessons from.
The first one is pretty straight forward. The time she gave you her number she felt excited but you will never know what she will think of even after a few minutes. In sales we use this term ABC : always be closing. Phone number is not a sure sign no more. This doesnt happen to me a lot but sometimes they give phobe numbers just to get rid of the guy.
Second case looks like a lost opportunity. She put her femininity on the table, full on. She wanted to see if you can handle it. And at the same time she probably knew beforehand that you would not meet her steaks. She became that girl who is so hot even men can't handle.
Keep on experimenting.
This is actually a really good article.
I feel like I read a story someone else wrote for me of what I did on my last date.
So, yea, he's right, it works.
And don't get me wrong, I was nervous at times, but every time I got nervous I just think "what's the worst that can happen" and say fuck-it and go for it.
I know you fucked a girl and all but you seem like fag. "Wanna come see my art" fucking gay. Wow
Why is it so hard to make field reports like this? This is the standard. A walk through of each step in the process and an explanation (using Terp theory) lf why you did what you did.
My Tinder profile is specifically set to only get me matches with bitches that are DTF, my opening response is usually something like "Blow me", or "Let's fuck".
I indicate on mine that I'm Into BDSM and have been a Dom for 2 years and I get opened all the time. Pulled a girl in for a 3some with one of my LTRs.
Screening is important.
Interesting. What kind of pics are you using?
Nothing special. No selfies. Pic of me on a balcony, beach, party w friends, and a sports one
A couple more questions:
How does that work? I know a lot of girls and they say anytime they get a message like that they ignore or delete.
Here's a couple of examples.
https://imgur.com/a/l9FEe
Im guessing he is very attractive
I have to say... This is the height of efficiency.
LMMFAO . Good job my nigga . Ball control since Ronaldo ... Plow like snow in Chicago .
stupid question. do you pay for her coffee? do you drive or does she follow you in her car? all logistics that can effect.
I paid for mine and she paid for hers. I don't buy things for women. I walked to the coffee shop and rode back in her car. Even if you drove you could just say you ubered and get her to drive you back. Whatever is easier.
lol somebody downvoted you instantly, i like the insight. im the type to overthink things like, what if sweat too much during walking before I get to the shop lmao
"Alright boys, it seems the sex gods are bestowing bounty upon my soul as of recently."
Right, should have just stopped there b/c that's all this post is about.
Maybe get a diary.
But are you attractive. As we know, any line or "strategy" works when you're attractive.
This whole strat starts with a tinder match. So you've already been proven attractive enough for a right swipe. If she doesn't respond to the opener or isn't willing to meet up anytime soon, then you know you aren't attractive enough to her and you move on. Even if your success rate on the opener is, say, 15% of your matches rather than OP's 95%, you've wasted a total time of maybe 1 minute viewing her profile, swiping, and parroting the same opener you always use. Online dating is a numbers game, just throw enough out there and something will stick. If you think your ROI isn't enough to make it worth it then no sweat, stick to opening irl
Annnd here we go again..
It's easy to try n minimize the success of OP to being attractive because you personally don't have the same results, but we both know that your lack of success is from neglect of something that you CAN control/change rather than something you cannot.
It's just tough for your ego to accept that it's YOU that is causing your failures directly rather than a genetic deficiency.
There is always work to be done when raising SMV. "Attractive" to girls is just another way to say "being higher SMV than them".
Focus on the things you can change, never the things you cannot. That's for the weak and has no place in TRP.
Max your lifting. Max your style/dress. Max your social circle. Max your confidence. Get pictures that depict these and use them on your profile and you'll pull more than just an artsy HB7.5 blonde
No more excuses. Get to work.
I agree. Ive seen some troll faced dudes pull model bitches leaving me to think what the fuck? But it came down to their mindset at the end of the day.
Source? I call it a crock of shit. Most of us don't get any action.
Looks are personality.
Go watch rsdtyler. Dude looks like rickety cricket. Ginger and balding. Still pulls women like crazy.
A lot of those PUAs are fucking fake.
You just have an excuse for everything eh? Starting to see the source of your issues here..
Let me just say that I completely agree with you, and not the other guy... it's about game and confidence, and I can say this from personal experience (I'm a 5 out of 10 at best that was 6'2 with 140lbs now 1 year later 160lbs) so it works... but that being said, I do think RSDtyler is fake as fuck. As well as 90% of other known PUAs/program/lecture/training bullshit.
I had a personal friend who took his classes and he is actually fairly attractive not as fit as me but fit nonetheless, but he was raised by a single mother so his ego and confidence are like broken glass.
Anyway he said it's basically all fake. They don't pickup like that, girls reject him tons, he never took them out on weekends, they never picked up any girls, didn't learn shit, didn't get laid, all they got was awkward glances and responses for hours until it was back to the hotel.
Anyway my point is that experience can teach you all those things for free and anyone saying you can't pick up ladies hasn't even tried enough. If you try 1000 ladies one is bound to say yes. If not your standards are too high for your ugly ass, lower them and do round 2. You will get laid I promise.
Don't waste your money on PUAs and don't believe it. Remember they are a business they want money and that is about it so they'll do anything to market their product, those PUA videos are a huge advertisement, real or not.
its because they were paying for the girls stuff
Bruh. You're blowing this out of proportion . I'm saying this precisely because i myself am a chad , and literally anything i do or say results in easy lays. Fucking it up when you're a chad is really really hard to do.
Dude. You're suggesting that his success is due to his looks, instead of the valid strategies he employs.
Stop saying you're not attractive. Don't be a bitch. Go to the gym, read a book.
Take notes on how other people get laid, and then go get laid.
You try to lay it out for them, and they still find an excuse...
reading a book or going to the gym will change your face?
Your face has almost nothing to do with it. You have no idea how attractive the dude that posted this FR is. What you know is that he got a tinder fuck in textbook fashion. Study up
I never did lol. Im a solid 9 thundercockJamal .Looks matter. Do you really think it matters what strategy you employ if the girl has already logically said she would fuck you? That's literally what tinder is. They don't even look at the bio until afterwards. It's pure physicality. As long as you don't fuck it up, you're golden(which he seems to implicitly state in his op).
guarantee he wouldn't have been successful if he was shorter than 6ft and non white despite all his other qualities being the same. if you think i'm wrong you are delusional.
so many, and I mean SO many, girls only look at personality, they don't even really consider actual looks (unless you're a fat slob who smells)
So up your attractiveness by testing, something like photofeeler is good - or female friends
I took two pictures within a week in the same place/lighting, only difference is I wore a nice shirt in one vs t-shirt and smiled more.
Result
I'm sure I can up it even more with some social proof (pictures with other girls, at an event or doing sports).
I don't say it because im unattractive. Actually, im like a solid 9 .
Very funny post, great lessons as well. Keep doing what you're doing
If you sent your opener and quickly set a date how did you end up with her snapchat? Seems kinda redundant or did you get it while fleshing out the date plan
She asked me for it after we set the date up.
A few questions.
If you didn't talk to her for 3 days, and all you did was make contact and set the date, how'd she snap you ? Was this in your profile ? Details are important.
I always see "pick a location close to your place or hers." How does one determine what's close to her, if you've never talked to her ? Tinder doesn't give location info that specific, so unless the girl's profile says "In the North End of X City" how do you know where her place is ?
I set my radius to within a mile. So she lived in my area.
Do you even enjoy your life if instead of being spontaneous and doing what feels right and natural, you have to follow some silly rules to just get laid on the first tinder date? You are probably very proud of yourself and think you got laid cause you followed your rules while in fact maybe it would be the same situation in the end of the date even if you didn't follow rules like "don't talk to her before the date", "be late and make her wait for you" and this sort of bullshit. It's just as dumb as the rules that some girls follow "don't text him first", "don't sleep with him until the third date" and so on.
i agree, i think the girl just liked his looks and moreso he didn't do anything to fuck it up. good for him getting laid tho when most of us can't even get a girl to look at us.
Cool blog post about how you had sex with a girl. You're a pioneer who will inspire thousands for years to come.
Twoxchromosomes is that way. --->
you found a whore that wanted some dick and she picked you
nothing was red pill about this. you sound like a faggot in love already
Let me tell ya man, I can feel the oneitus already taking over. Foh.
Nice format for your field report. Everyone learns differently. I'm sure I'm not the only one already waiting for Fr's like this.
I think it is very common to fuck on the first tinder date. From all my dates from dating apps, we have always fucked on the first date. Usually, I go to the girl's home or the girl comes to my home
That was a good read. Thanks for the share man!
Ive read a field report strikingly similar to this in the past.
AWALT. It doesn't matter if I fucked a whore or a nun. There's no unicorns out there with glade fresh pussies that haven't had so much as a finger in them.
I utilized the RP theories and they worked. Why wouldn't they aspire to doing just that? It seems lack of results has left you with some spite.
Addenda: you have to be good looking for this to work
reps for goat ronaldo mention
...what if you have no experiences in kissing yet?
Sounds like a whole lot of work to do just to hit a wet hole.
Its happened to me before. Hot girl matches send her a message, she sends me one back but when I open it she's deleted. I think tinder deletes them do to scripts that are written. But if it's not working for you, I'd suggest revamping your profile. If they are real, they're not seeing anything they like.
Sluts. All of them. They can't even reason why a blowjob is more nastier or sluttier than sex. I don't even care anymore. Just comes to shows you women can't control their nature.
We didn't really get that much snow last winter in Chicago.
Hahah ooooo you got laid on the first date using Tinder. That's the entire point of Tinder, am I missing something or how is this an accomplishment at all?
"Actor and artist. 6'0. I like to have fun, but who doesn't?"
WTF the story you're telling is about PUA not Red Pill. There is nothing to be proud of for fucking a naive young 18 years old girl who is using Tinder (which is as known a plateform for the bitch attitude).
You all think to much into this shit. It's a just bitch. Lol buying dinner and shit lol
Lmao. I can guarantee most HBs have a tinder. Whether it be for validation or the casual fuck.
I still game IRL but tinder is just there to supplement on the side. Its easy and works, why wouldn't I use it?
Most here seem to be dying.
Fucking skills. Bro. Skills. Thanks for sharing.
...what if you have no experiences in kissing yet?
Don't get caught up with things like that. Kissing isn't hard even if you've never done it. Develop your game and then start kissing more girls.
Its more of a study than a how to guide but it does shed light on some things that make them easier to grasp and implement.
Because you sound like a whiny bitch. I never stated it was an accomplishment. Its simply a field report that covers the basics which a lot of new guys have hard times with. With almost 500 upvotes I'm sure they thought it was useful.
I've gotten more response when my profile was blank than almost anything. It's safe. makes you look too cool for that shit, and mysterious.
If you are actually not LARPing "TRP", Tinder is basically a free escort service for you. I don't know why it gets hated on, I know for a fact that 25% of your matches are down for the first date hook up.
You use a dating app? I just wait for them to approach me at clubs.
Seems like some good info here. Thanks.
What do you put in your bio?
This makes me sad that this stuff isn't common sense.
Hahaha why you compare her to Ronaldo man
What's your tinder profile say? Anything?
Haha, nice jokes in this Field Report
Tinder is foul and degenerate, and has contributed to the spike in STDs recently.
Nice, concise, informative. Good stuff.
Damn, logistics out the ass. Good job, bro.
My only question is , why do people use tinder for sex and attention when they can just go out to a bar or social gathering and get it right there and done by approaching ? Do these “ attractive people “ really have low self esteem to use Tinder like that ?
Mine: "Sit on my face and grind until your juices run down my cheek."
Any short guys with success on tinder? By short I mean 5 7 and under.
nope, unless you are rich, which then you are really attracting the wrong type of girl.
Are you short and unsuccessful? Speaking from experience?
5'9 and the company i started is failing right now. i got laid off tinder pretty good in 2012 when it first came out and it was just one big orgy, but then as the years went by girls started realizing they can get better than me on there.
Hard to compete when 6' chad is but a swipe away.
yea, plus i'm in Hollywood so its like 6' Thor Chads
Solid analysis, writing and advice. Good job OP
Been using for the last few days, works well.
Glad to hear your getting results.
Dick is like "FUCK YES!"
GODDAMMN!!!
in recent news, rape reports have gone up 10%.
Lmao. I need some clarification on where the part that says "rape her" is?
no where but sometimes betas go a little too far with the advice given.
To get girls back to my place I always say something on the lines of "You can't stay long though because I have to get up early tomorrow" Or "I have a friend coming round soon" It makes them feel a little less anxious because they think they they're going to come round and leave pretty quickly. Little do they know that you're completely lying hehe.
Enjoy the herpes.
I kid, I kid. Well done.
Amazing post. I implement most of this but there is a ton in here I can use to my advantage.
Tricky part for me - I'm on a college campus where everyone lives downtown. That's where I go for my dates. However, I live a few miles away and I take the bus- so logistics make it a bit hard to get her to my place. Much harder to get to hers. Any tips?
Make it the easiest option. Just tell her your place is like 15-20 minutes and hers is closer.
Well I mass used your opener and got 95% deleted and 5% no answer. Might be different cultures? Those were very hot girls 8/9/10 so they might need some more?! What u think?
If they matched with you and never responded to your message they're probably 1. bots (or) 2. they no longer use it.
@isthatsuperman So after you get response after the magical line. Is there anything you say in between or you just straight up ask say to her "let's grab a drinks"?
Straight to the point my man. Here are some examples.
http://imgur.com/gOw7evm http://imgur.com/XuoluJG http://imgur.com/8Sasw9w
Its called the KISS factor (keep it short and simple) less is more. I'm glad you're seeing results.
let me guess, you are over 6ft tall and white.
Its tinder, you're already matched with them, so they obviously think you're attractive, there's no need for a lot of back and forth. The quicker the better.
Absolute gold mine of a pickup line. I've used it on 10 matches today, it's working alarmingly well.
Does this work in person as well?
Great post! I recognize a lot of these techniques, I've been studying but never implemented it yet because I feel beta as hell due to lack of experience.
What do you do with your profile? What do you want to convey?
I'm really bothered with mainstream stuff and the excessive social media vanity in general which there seems to be a lot of on tinder. Also a lot of feminists, do I skip em or adapt or?
You need to take it upon yourself to actually implement what you learn, or you're doing it for nothing and wasting your time. I don't have social media besides a Snapchat that I barely use. There's lots of information out there to make your profile stand out. Ultimately, you want convey you're an attractive and interesting person and not a loser.
As for the feminists, if they have weird ass hair colors like green or purple that's an automatic no. They usually have some type of mental disorder that they self diagnosed and I have no time for that. I usually skip them all to just make my life easier.
I just want to say that I have a completely neutral opinion on the contents of this sub, but holy shit that opener works. I started using it on my last 5 matches and got messages back on 4 of them. Thank you so much!
Dude what the fuck lol. Good for you but man.. its just sex lmao. Shut the fuck up about it and onto the next. I feel like veins are popping out of your forehead as you were typing this, jesus.
Just adding a little flavor to the writing.
Good ball movement by Ronaldo. But Pulisic just had a sick goal and assist so I'll go with his tekkers right now. Great story btw!
Why try to shame someone for trying to tell an entertaining story? Not sure what you gain by trying to put him down, if nothing, why comment?
Btw, enjoyed the write up. Keep em coming.
"ball control like Ronaldo" "Houston we have lift off" "snow in Chicago"
Damn I think you got laid because of the puns. lmao.
I'm a natural with it. But I'll suggest the book elements of wit by Benjamin Erret. It'll take your game to a new level.
I looked at a few reviews of it on Goodreads, it doesnt seem very good. How would you describe it?
Lol I've gotten 50 girls from Tinder alone to come straight to my house and fuck me. Skip the first date. You don't need it.
We flip flop and serve these hoes like flap jacks
Your girl was trickin while you was grinding
Bitches ant shit but hoes and tricks
Bwahaha, this sub is hilarious.
If you are getting Tinder dates, you don't need Red Pill. Nor Blue Pill. Nor any pill. You're attractive enough where Tinder will "just work."
The RP does not care if you're attractive or not. Its for anyone. You can be attractive and not pull women because you're a beta or your value is low. Its more than just looks.
Those guys who are attractive and don't pull are ones who literally sit at home. I guarantee you that almost none of them will even need RP. They could go out one night and bring a girl home.
Looks are important, game is important, get over it. They coexist.
But let's be real for a second why does a stunning blonde 18 year old need Tinder?
Why DOESN'T she?
Its basically easy for her to get onto it and get chad to do anything for her.
Someone please explain to me, what the difference between red pill and pua is again? They both appear to be the same thing from this post
Pua is sleazily lying and tricking girls into thinking you're what the rp says you should be in order to be attractive to and successful with sexing women
Yes, but PUA's also do everything that OP just mentioned in his field report. Push/Pull, giving her her reasons that she won't feel like a slut ("we're only going to look at his art, that's what I'll tell my friends so I don't look like a slut). PUA's know that women looove sex and simply need an excuse to have as much of it as possible without anyone else finding out.
OP isolated her from the start. Had she brought a friend (which means he simply hadnt established enough comfort with her prior) he would have certainly been doing a day 2 with her.
My point is, he did nothing differently compared to what I did everyday as a pua, lol. Having self confidence which helps with frame doesn't make you better than a PUA. The entire point of being a pua is getting inside that pussy as quickly as possible, just as OP describes in his post (we used to post countless stories kkje this when I was active in the pua community... This is vanilla sarging at its finest).
People in this sub keep trying to act like pua material and red pill aren't the same. Shocker: men are using all the same material and trying to repackage it to their own terminology.... Never fails.
OP seems to be afraid of the word pua. It's all the same shit. You can decide in your own head whether or not what you're doing is manipulating women. Give zero fucks either way, because that's what holding the frame has always been about.
Now just prey she doesn't wake up one day and decide that you raped her and then she's calling the police on you. This is one factor PUAs never had to deal with until recently.
It goes Monday, took her for a drink on Tuesday, we were making love by Wednesday.
why would u wanna do that? lol they're dirty bitches