Programming will destroy your social skills

ImSteveMcQueen · 2018-02-03T22:23:36+00:00

Dunno why you are complaining about being a programmer. No women ? Ever worked in a steel mill ? Ever worked on an oil rig ?

You might complain about sitting in front of a screen all day, but as long as you practice good ergonomics and get exercise outside of work, you are doing minimal damage to your body.

What else would you like to do ? Sell insurance ? Dev is interesting, rewarding and creative. A lot of men, boomers included, would love to have your job.

The thing the gets most "programmers" is the anti social nerd persona, whether it is real or imagined. Just make sure to cultivate your social skills so that you aren't that guy.

burgorsauce · 2018-02-04T08:21:30+00:00

Just switched from sales to programming.

Even though I'm still studying computer science, when I'm out and meet a girl and she asks what I do, I say I am a software developer (better than saying I'm a student @ 26yo ) - most of them actually say wow that sounds cool/interesting.

Also I'm planning on appearing more nerdy for when I get a job this summer - un stylish glasses, no fancy suit, so I appear like I belong.

[deleted] · 2018-02-04T00:32:47+00:00

You missed something crucial about why programming nerfs social skills, and it goes beyond logic.

The truth is: when you're working at a desk, in solitude, for eight hours a day, with little social interaction, you're going to have your social skills atrophy. Least, that's been my experience, especially with lack of sleep.

This goes beyond women. I think it's very important for programmers to socialize whenever they get the opportunity to, outside of work.

The social atrophy can make it harder, long term, to get better jobs. You start feeling lonely, getting depressed, and you could end up being weak and abused by predatory people. Plus, sitting on your ass all day is detrimental to your physical health.

You start risking blood clots, weight gain, and becoming really ugly.

But hey, it does pay the bills. And who says you can't call yourself an engineer? We build shit.

time4vipassana · 2018-02-04T01:08:53+00:00

This is bullshit. No shit, you have to socialize. It's like a muscle, use it or lose it. As a man you need to handle your own fucking needs cos the world doesn't care

Life is simple, we make it complex. Our big brains are complex.

To get women handled all you need to do is handle your own life. A big part of life is fear. If you don't conquer your fears in your life, you won't with a women. If you don't move forward in your life, you won't with women. Can't handle the stress and tension in your life ? You won't handle the tension and stress with women. If you want to know how to master womens emotions, master your own.

The huge issue today is that men focus their energy directly to solving their issues with women, making them their purpose. There's all these mens groups, all this information - huge distraction

This can be directly applied to your work life. You push yourself, you don't get too comfortable, you create, you don't let work shit bring you down. It has nothing to do with the path. You don't have to work as a bartender to turn women on, this is very narrow thinking.

All you need to do is step up and there's men in every field that just don't feel the pressure to do this today

SilentStrike6 · 2018-02-04T02:35:33+00:00

I disagree with your main premise a lot. You are confusing causes and symptoms. Programmers are generally socially uncalibrated because the field attracts those personality types more than others. Programming can be logical and emotionless work, but it doesn't magically suck social skills out of you. Social skills are exactly what they sound like, a skill. You can get rusty with any skill, but you pick things up very quickly once the muscle memory returns. However, if you've never had attuned social skills, programming definitely won't help.

As an example, I'm a pretty introverted person and a developer, but love interacting with people and experimenting with social situations. If I go out for the first time in months I might be slow to mingle, but it goes away within an hour. Also, whenever I get asked what I do, whether it's a man or a woman, I always get a very positive reaction. Maybe it's from the fact that I contrast from the stereotype, but I think most people look positively on people in technical fields. Yes, I can't go in-depth about the intricacies of my developer work because it's too technical and boring for the average person. However, if I frame it about high level stuff like the fact that I work in robotics and investment markets, write software that makes me money while I sleep, or any other topic that could be a technology click-bait article, I get tons of interest and segues into other conversations.

I will agree with the fact that you are usually around lots of beta males and weird personality types who won't do you any favors socially. You usually have to find friends outside of your job if you are a social butterfly since most colleagues will be married or not interested in social events. However, saying that being a programmer is a bad move socially couldn't be further from the truth even if you are only mildly successful. By age 30-35 you will be far ahead of most of the workforce in wealth and job opportunities. If you take care of your appearance, do a bit of lifting, and aren't socially retarded, you will be near the top of the SMV pyramid. If not, you will be rich enough to order hookers like dominos to fulfill your carnal needs and spend the rest of your money on more important things.

riot2100 · 2018-02-03T21:30:26+00:00

'The method noFap determines if one is still fapping or not

boolean Fap = True;

if (noFap(Fap) = False) {

System.out.println("Get laid");

else

System.out.println("Stop fapping you loser!");

}

lItsAutomaticl · 2018-02-04T01:32:37+00:00

I work in an intense sales job that I love, but it's killing my social life too. After playing my role and kicking ass at it, I get off work and don't really want to fucking deal with anyone.

GoCleanYourRoom · 2018-02-03T20:40:33+00:00

Good points in general, but,

- you dont need to put on a facade and be something youre not. Chances are if youre a programmer youre likely to be introverted. So working on your social skills is a better use of your time. Be more interesting, yes. But do this by getting involved in something youre passionate about. Joe Rogan recently said there are a lot of nerds doing jujitsu now because of its problem solving aspect. A physical hobby like this would be a great start in being more masculine.
- women dont care what you do. No need to lie, but i get your point that its a bit boring to say "programmer" when you could say that you "work in a team that solves problems"
- moving abroad cos you cant get pussy ?! Yes there are alot more entitled women out there these days, but all this means is we need to up our game. Become stronger and more masculine - bring women back into your frame, no need to run away to another country. If you stay in the west its going to be the same and if you move out of the west....well..name some countries that youd want to live in that are better than what we have now.

MGTOW isnt an option. This i agree with.

[deleted] · 2018-02-04T01:04:04+00:00

If you really like what you're doing, you won't care about that. Programming and fucking girls are totally compatible, you just have to know how to sell yourself better.

ugn3x · 2018-02-03T21:12:36+00:00

So, after being more then 10 years in this fucked up dev thing - I totally understand you, mate :) All pussies disappeared from my environment since first year of university !

I totally agree with all six points above. Even more - I want to add: if you are programmer you MUST hit gym as soon as possible and do it as often as possible - because if you don't do it in 10 years you will have back pain / spine issues. if not gym, then do swimming or whatever sport you can -otherwise, natural selection, man - will eliminate you. You've been warned!

Also, no bragging, I am very good at women. Me and my mate (both devs in mid 30s, regular gym guys) went out to get some chicks. I approached 2 blondes, 21 y.o., 9/10 boths, highly educated. In 4 hours we ended up in my place :) and trust me, we were not watching pokemons that evening !

Being good with women is a learnable skill. If you leaned C++ or how to write a low level linux device driver, trust me, learning how to handle a chick is a no brainier - it is just different type of intelligence - like music or dance - but this one is at emotional level.

Good Luck!

Lendoran · 2018-02-04T01:06:05+00:00

Whilst a lot of the stuff I've seen here is interesting I'd like to offer a different perspective.

I'm 19 and have never worked anywhere due to the fact that I run my own business. I'm physically fit and have no problem with women.

When people ask me what I do I often tell them that I run my own business. It's different and always gets impressions.

Regardless, I never understand why programmers state that they have it hard. You have PROGRAMMING skills and a huge capital. There is absolutely no reason why you can't be making some money on the side.

Invest in stocks
Try real estate
Independent businesses
Direct businesses
Joining with others to start something
Side passion projects

The list is endless.

monsieurhire2 · 2018-02-03T20:55:09+00:00

You sound pretty alpha, so I don't think you should have anything to worry about as long as you stay woke and frosty.

It's kind of funny actually, that in my opinion, the failing lies not with you yourself, and people like you, but that other people, namely women, are TOO FUCKING STUPID TO SEE YOUR VALUE!

They think the bartender has more value because of the tribal tats.... but only because it has been marketed to them through the media; magazines and television. Now, some of the mandarins are starting to panic a bit, and starting to market "nerdiness" as a sexy attribute to women. See, it's not that women don't necessarily see nerds as sexy, because I knew plenty of nerds who were slaying their share of hot nerdette-pussy, it's that women are insecure and need more social approval of their sexual choices. If there is no propaganda supporting their choices, it is easy for them to stray.

To me, growing up, it was ALWAYS obvious, that 90% of those bartender guys were posers who were pandering to women's baser impulses to get easy lays. This meant that they weren't lifting for self-betterment, and they weren't getting tattoos to signify something, merely that they saw media images that women would respond to with these markers, so they aped them. But, since they were pandering to get easy lays, that also meant that they were lazy, so they never developed their minds. So whenever a guy who went to the gym, had social skills, dressed halfway decently entered into a social situation, it was easy to run circles around them and attract attention from their women.

Another way to view it is as a selection process. Women of value SHOULD see the worth of the superior man, and not default to the most muscular or alpha-appearing guy, in the same way that men of value don't automatically default to the woman with the biggest boobs, even though they may catch his eye. However, as often discussed on here, AWALT, OR 99.99999%WALT.

antariusz · 2018-02-04T13:43:51+00:00

I’ve swapped careers a few times. Linguist, IT manager, air traffic controller... within a few years my personality changed. Some of it was “growing up” and “learning from experience” but more of it is, we get better at the things we do every day.

If I tell people what to do all day every day in a forceful voice, I will be comfortable doing that elsewhere.

If I sit in front of a computer screen listening to other people talk but never contributing anything to the conversation that will influence me to be a quiet listener in public too. You aren’t used to interjecting or having to come up with your own ideas to keep the conversation flowing.

refunkulation · 2018-02-04T22:43:07+00:00

I’m in Sales / Marketing and only begun learning programming the past year because it makes me 10x more productive up against my competition. Sales people and marketers are not often all that logic oriented, or have patience and problem skills so I take advantage having multiple skill sets.

My advise, if you program too much or get frustrated by the amount of time you spend in front of a screen, learn some other skills like sales or work on your creativity.

The most brilliant programmers I’ve known are either total lunatic, manic geniuses or way too logic oriented and robotic. It’s just about balance, like everything else.

People who are musicians would feel the exact same, eventually you’ll hit a creative wall if you spend too much time at it and you need to re-energize yourself in order to feed new creativity. Same goes for programming, we’re entering an era where it’s possible to float in and out of specialized skills, realize this and take advantage.

TheDevilsAdvokaat · 2018-02-04T03:56:47+00:00

I don't think programming destroys your skills. Rather, I think that people who have difficulty with those skills (Like myself, for example) prefer programming because of its predictability and the way you can get logical output from logical input.

I find people confusing, unpredictable and annoying, so I am loner who doesn't socialise. I like computers because I feel like I understand them and can interact successfully with them.

Taco_Truck_Aficionad · 2018-02-04T05:24:07+00:00

Due to growing up in warm, relaxed environments, the men are constantly socializing and in tune with their emotional state.

I think you're confusing impoverished low-trust cultures with warm, relaxed environments.

[deleted] · 2018-02-04T05:44:04+00:00

I disagree with 5. Anything is sexy if you're sexy.

Ive talked about some of the dumbest fucking shit and had women into it. I write now. Fantasy fiction. Elves and shit. Tell me why I have some married woman trying to tell me about her trip to comic-con one time? I haven't even been there.

She's older than me, her daughter (college age) is into my book, and after hearing us chat she's all up in the convo.

There was a time that superheroes were considered nerdy. Now we have mother fuckers wearing tights all over and women are swooning.

SlyRy95 · 2018-02-03T23:24:31+00:00

I've never related to a post more in my life. I'm 22 fresh out of college and just started working as a software engineer.

I attended a large school and over the years there did well with women and socializing, for the most part. Now that I've started work, I can almost feel myself regressing in terms of those social skills. I am surrounded only by tech nerds for 40/hrs a week, and I catch myself slipping in red-pill basics from time to time while I'm there.

I do not like this whatsoever, yet I feel a bit hopeless about the stereotype. The job itself is fine, and let's be honest here, the money is great. Yet I simply can't help but shake the feeling I'd be much happier doing something else - that I have yet to find.

skrrrttt · 2018-02-04T01:14:30+00:00

You could help me get an Internship

no_its_a_subaru · 2018-02-04T07:57:31+00:00

This is complete bullshit, if you purposefully isolate your self as a programer that’s your own fucking fault. You can start by not perpetuating the “nerdy programer” stereotype. Stop dodging every invitation to a lunch, happy hour, or get together. It’s easy to be “social” in a sea of shy pussies who won’t take the lead in anything. Do you think you’re going to be considered for a promotion of any sort of you have no “office presence”, simple answer is no fucking way, perception is king. It sounds like you need to go back and read the 48 laws of power, because just with that knowledge alone you should be able to walk all over the average “dev” and assert your self as #1, the social dev that people want to talk to and hang out with. But instead you come here and cry that “MUH JOB IS MAKEN MEHH NURRRDDD.”

[deleted] · 2018-02-05T22:03:35+00:00

I’m glad you posted this. I’ve been a bartender traveling around living in tropical locations for the past 5 years generally loving life, but I’m tired of being a loser now. It was fun but I don’t have anything to show for it except my experiences and memories. Im going back to school to learn coding next month and I’m a bit ancie about it.

Something I thought I would mention is that as an extroverted introvert (ie I’m a social guy who gets on well but find the effort of being “on” and connecting with people to be draining) even a social job like bartending drains me of the social energy such that I have none left for after work. That’s to say that I deplete my battery at work and on the weekends I want to lock myself in and enjoy the little time I have to myself. When I’ve been working a lot, the idea of being around people is like “fuck.” If I’ve been alone for some time I get excited about the idea and have a lot more energy to put forth. This is one thing I’m looking forward to: hoping that being more solitary at work will give me back the social energy I have for outside of work.

I do love the idea of coding for the reasons you mentioned: high pay, in demand, freedom to work anywhere, actually using your intelligence. These make it seem like the ideal job. On the other hand, sitting in front of a screen sounds absolutely miserable. I know you can get up and stretch, but fuck. The one thing I’m looking forward to is knowing that I will be the biggest alpha in the room. I thrive around nerds because I’m a dork at heart, but I took the time to develop myself into a fit, funny, and well-speaking social guy (that’s what years of bartending does for you).

Anyhow, I’m excited and scared to see where this road takes me.

whuttupfoo · 2018-02-04T00:51:39+00:00

That’s just a stereotype honestly. I hang out with programmers who are alpha all the time. The act of programming itself doesn’t destroy your social skills, it’s that people with bad social skills are attracted to programming and are really good at it. This is why women aren’t typically software engineers. Women are superior at socializing, and men are better at handling logic. The better you are in one area, the weaker you’ll be in the other.

But of course you can balance both aspects by doing the things you suggested in the post. I program myself but I apply a red pill lens to it in order to keep my social life booming. I’ve hired other more smarter and socially awkward coders to handle the dirty work for me while I take all the credit.

Law 7: Get other’s to do the work for you, but always take the credit

blitzer92 · 2018-02-03T20:44:54+00:00

Agree with all your points. MGTOW is garbage, as it's basically male hamstering an excuse to not have to approach women.

soulmysold · 2018-02-04T02:02:03+00:00

Any advice for a construction worker who just started college, comp sci major. I work 4 days a week construction and few days a week community college/online classes Hoping to be in your position career wise soon.

DirtyProject0r · 2018-02-04T13:48:54+00:00

Some thoughts on your post, being a information engineer and programmer myself:

You see, we as humans did not evolve to sit in front of computers all day solving complex problems and writing super duper algorithms.

I do project management as well, in which I meet clients and lead a team. I would say I do 50% programming, 50% meeting people and having appointments. Being a programmer does not necessarily have to mean you are in front of a computer all day.

Your coworkers will consist of socially awkward betas, aspie Redditors, and mumbling Indians.

This really depends on the field of work you are in. There are many types of programming languages used in many types of fields of work. In fields like architecture, urban planning and remote sensing programming is worked heavily as well. In my field the distribution is 60% male, 40% female.

You will forever be seen as a Beta Bucks by women. It’s a lot cooler for girls to fuck the tatted-up bartender over the stable engineer.

Whenever I tell a girl what I do they love it. You need to spice it up, man. Mr. Robot and Black Mirror are popular with a reason. Fit yourself within those kind of realities. Also, if you program you probably make plenty of money and have a great set of brains. That shit is attractive to women.

Work in co-working spaces or cafes.

This totally fucks up my focus while working to be honest. But if it works for you, great.

metallica11 · 2018-02-04T17:05:21+00:00

dealing with this struggle in my now. not a programmer but an engineer. LOVE MY JOB. great salary, 401k matching, even have a fucking pension. room for growth, independent work etc etc. none of my coworkers are less than very very intelligent - pushes me etc.

but the social atmosphere sucks. i've had to reach out to other functional areas to find people to go out with. men know men know men. no women.

Also, after days of straight critical thinking, trying to re-calibrate to social relaxed settings or even flirting is near impossible. it can be done...but its a teeter toter of constant re-calibration that is exhausting.

you know what drains the SHIT of me and feels mentally jarring? Working on engineering concept designs for 4 days, then going straight from work to a house party with booze, woman, and people randomly dancing. I used to party at ton, and easing into those situations was natural since I did it alot, but now the difference in mental states between my career and the party/fun atmosphere make the transition tiring

Shaney96 · 2018-02-04T22:15:10+00:00

Your "P.S." part regarding the lack of coding some side-project is something I resonate with, and makes me doubt the path of being a software engineer after Uni.

Being a software dev in a tech company that only has 4 women, being surrounded by people who won't even go for a pint with me on a Friday night, and don't see the point in working out, definitely puts a downer on me sometime. Fuck going straight into a 9-5 after Uni, I'm planning on saving and just fucking travelling for a year or two.

Man, how people can just go straight into jobs and just stagnate.. I know that it's "all they know", but fuck, I guess it's a little liberating knowing that there's a whole world out there to explore. Over Christmas I traveled Europe solo for a few weeks - who's to say I can't just do that after Uni? Save some cash, get some small jobs in the cities I visit, and get some fucking life experience.

BetaBitchBoy69 · 2018-02-05T10:12:26+00:00

fuck tinder and bumble. COP-OUT

2comment · 2018-02-05T16:05:36+00:00

Being geared toward a programmer gets you good analytical skills. As long as you ditch the bullshit SJW garbage all the blue pills gobble up mostly for worthless social points, foisted by the various media outlets (in the Programming world, it's been pretty heavy with how bad girls have it trying to get in), you're good to go. Yeah, the aspieness and all that is a downfall but I doubt those guys would have had it any better in any other field.

As I see it, you have a leg up on the competition as long as you can make the effort to bridge the gap to the emotional side. Those emotional guys will likely never be able to go the other way.

F_Dingo · 2018-02-06T05:21:11+00:00

Nice post with great info.

Unfortunately for me I found I wasn't cut out for programming at an early age (13). I couldn't get a frame of reference for it and dropped it soon after. A few years later I found accounting and that's where i'm going to make my fat stack of cash at.

vengefully_yours · 2018-02-04T05:21:54+00:00

Poor me, I'm a geek high on the sperg scale.

Here's the problem you're missing. Shit is always black and white, all or nothing, no shades of gray and sure as fuck no color. Why the fuck do you think programming fits you so well? Because you are 2x2 is 4 and anything else is fucking wrong, even if it's not math. Sometimes 2 + 2 is 3, or 15, or in the religious nut world 27. Ref clown car vagina.

You're the types of guys who look at a schematic to find out why the machine isn't working, probing wires to find a short, and all it happens to be is the fucking breaker tripped. There's no outside the box for you, and you're terrified of what's outside that safe little box, inside the box is a known. I'm a cnc machinist/programmer, auto tech, and a bunch of other shit where the solution is more often creative than x + y, but it means I know your world, yet you fucks are too damn scared to enter my world. So you make up excuses to justify your fears.

man the fuck up and learn another language that has some nuance, like the look a girl gives you when she wants your cock in her throat, and more importantly when she doesn't want anything to do with you. It's a language just like c++ you only have to learn it.

Lacertuz · 2018-02-05T04:55:38+00:00

It shouldn't feel imperative to compromise one's proclivities for consideration by any group of people (women included). If women won't appreciate programming skills, of which naturally imply the ability to excel in logical thought process, you shouldn't desire them; the two of you wouldn't get along, anyway. They would appear to be the entirely frivolous strain of creaturehood, without any real, substantive quality to their constitution, so what could ever prove to entice? Surely nothing to waste time trying to attract or lose sleep over. In spite of this, as outlandish as it may initially seem, not all women find coding a disreputable occupation, or intelligence a bore (I'm a woman, take it from me); it's a matter of finding those who have a sense of appreciation for it, and that simply requires patience/searching in relevant places. It's not about attracting any woman, it's about attracting the right one.

[deleted] · 2018-02-04T10:48:25+00:00

It's no secret that you get a bit stiff after sitting in front of a screen all day, but I feel like that applies to 90% of all jobs with a computer involved; except those where you spend your time chatting around the water cooler.

I'd even argue that programming is one of the more game-compatible jobs out there (versus physical hard labour, or bore-out office jobs, for example).

Of course you get into state faster when you're working all day in retail, chatting with qt's, than debugging some segmentation fault until late night.

Otherwise valid points.

Mckcon · 2018-02-04T12:35:01+00:00

I was a developer years ago, moved into pre-sales then sales and am now a consulting practice lead - the move away from writing code forced to deal with and persuade people - more money and better social outcomes - best move I ever made.

ShowtimeBrodin · 2018-02-04T15:28:56+00:00

Second year computer engineering student here. Making some sick shit, working on a R2D2 robot now (sounds included, fuck yes).

My question to you is, how do you travel while programming? I suspect it can be done on some sort of freelance basis, or working for a really laid back company.

[deleted] · 2018-02-04T20:35:45+00:00

Constantly surrounded by women? No thank you. I'll take it in small PRN doses.

heidi__hoe · 2018-02-05T10:22:03+00:00

Fellow programmer here.

I can totally relate. More than 10 years in the field. At my previous workplaces it was a mixed bag, some dudes even seemed to be pure alphas. But at my current workplace I swear that the majority are betas/omegas, overweight girldfriedless manboys. They typically have a vast range of hobbies consisting of: gaming. I'd bet that some are virgins in their 30s. That is fine, I mean it's not my life, but spending time around these types can bring you down.

Doing some sort of sport is of primal importance. After sitting for 8 hours in front of a PC I feel drained but exercise helps.

Millixaw · 2018-02-05T13:35:46+00:00

I noticed that men from Mediterranean cultures (Italians, Spanish, Greeks, Persians, Armenians, Turkish, etc.) had the most success with women.

These men are tan, have hairy chests, and don't have that American brand of obesity. Of course women want them.

That has nothing to do with their job skill.

SKRedPill · 2018-02-05T15:58:49+00:00

There's an infertility and testosterone deficiency epidemic happening in my country where software is a huge employer. High cortisol levels, lack of natural light, disrupted sleep patterns, junk food, alcohol, several cigarettes a day and karoshi work culture.

You would be more productive after a while in fact, by taking more breaks.

And speaking of jobs, we guys are all wondering if 35 is the new retirement age.

Sitting is a killer actually, but it's the curse of the modern world.

[deleted] · 2018-02-05T17:35:17+00:00

Another thing as a dev i have noticed is non stem girls from major's like finance,management find a dev/engineer more attractive than girls from stem major's.Both my ex fwb were this and i am not a really social guy or good looking guy(not fat or short though) but still these chicks somehow found digged me than girls from stem.

LuvBeer · 2018-02-05T19:40:37+00:00

men from Mediterranean cultures (Italians, Spanish, Greeks, Persians, Armenians, Turkish, etc.) had the most success with women. Due to growing up in warm, relaxed environments, the men are constantly socializing and in tune with their emotional state.

Or, Mediterranean men are objectively more attractive and masculine and their culture is such that approaching is necessary and socially acceptable in order to get pussy.

CocoaDynoBites · 2018-02-05T21:37:23+00:00

While I can definitely understand how being a competent programmer would make you more capable of thinking logically outside of programming, I think it's a little extreme to think it hinders you from thinking "normally" and making use of your intuition, and yes, even emotions, to feel out situations and respond appropriately in other contexts.

People who suffer from the type of problems you're describing most likely have their identity tied up in their craft, and their idealized perception of it. They derive all of their self-worth from it. You see this is in all sorts of professions; think of the career military guy who has no idea how to turn off the front, or the businessman who's a little too stiff at a party where he should be drinking beer and relaxing, but he's constantly trying to make the most professional impression possible to a bunch of friends.

Maybe this is just the natural result of being passionate about something, and displaying that at all times is somehow advantageous to us from an evolutionary perspective, but I don't think it's the right way to live your life. Is wanting to make a lot of money and having the drive to do it a good thing? Hell yes. You shouldn't have your entire self-worth wrapped up in it though. Think of it as the difference between a dude who starts a business, eats shit, and quits after his first try, and the successful entrepreneur who's primary diet was shit for 10-15 years. A little bit of self-awareness would go a long way for many people.

[deleted] · 2018-02-05T21:46:09+00:00

Women just care about if you bring home the mammoth meat they don’t care about how you kill it.

madeoftuf · 2018-02-06T04:06:53+00:00

This is the first time I have ever heard that Persian and Middle Eastern men are successful with women and I am a well traveled guy. From what I have seen, women (especially Northern European) despise these men and avoid them due to their sleaziness, bad hygiene, below average looks, and the fact that they come on too strong. I have yet to see one get hot girls.

Ronaldo-CR7- · 2018-02-06T09:50:53+00:00

This is why I'm in sales. Thanks for the input. Good read.

PrepositionalChi · 2018-02-07T04:42:19+00:00

drug use is widespread in the tech industry

street drugs? or pharmaceuticals? (or both?)

HandsomeCub · 2018-02-07T04:53:55+00:00

MGTOW is about prioritizing your own life goals and experiences over grooming yourself for women's happiness. Typically marriage is out of the question. The idea is if women can fit into your dream, awesome, but they should NOT be your central goal and NOT your greatest source of happiness, because they are unreliable. MGTOW is about writing your own narrative, defining your own terms of interaction, living for yourself and being able to be happy with or without women. Above all, MGTOW is about being able to walk away, which is the strongest negotiator in a free world. MGTOW is red pill, but perhaps just one version of what it translates to. Did someone corrupt this label in your eyes?

Some advice: recognize your addictions to relationships, dial them back, and never let them overtake a love of yourself. The party follows you, not them.

Legtats · 2018-02-07T05:58:53+00:00

Love this post. I'm a Marine vet currently studying cs at an ivy league school and I see myself going against the social grain of my academic community in every way. I'm a varsity athlete have both of my legs completely tattooed and own a motorcycle.

The main takeaway of this post is what I agree with the most. When work is over it's fucking over man. Go home and have a life. Oh and regarding telling women that your a programmer.. just don't do it. Never lead with anything profession related. Make them pull it out of you.

dthlist · 2018-02-08T00:11:45+00:00

Good to see a rp programmer. Which programming languages do you work with?

bobster82183 · 2018-02-28T17:38:52+00:00

I dunno -- "I work as Google as a Software Engineer" has the same vibe as "I work at NASA"

FinallyRed · 2018-03-12T15:57:27+00:00

You don't have to talk about your job. If she brings it up ask her to guess what your job is. Pounce on her guess and ask her why she thinks you would do that. If it's a beta-y job by societal standards playfully act offended. Topic pretty much avoided. You can deflect again by saying some ridiculous shit like you're an ass or hand model. If she keeps coming back to it for a hard answer she's probably fingered you as a provider anyway.

kamifurio · 2018-03-21T14:11:28+00:00

I used to be developer and I still work all day at the damn computer. Its definitely true that is unhealthy to sit hours and hours infant of the computer, but you can stand up every once in a while and practice adjustments that make it less bad. I work out regularly, eat well, socialise plenty and get more game than most. Socialisation and health that all u need then you can do any type of jobs.

throwagrad · 2018-06-26T01:48:20+00:00

Lets say its true that these programmers are nerds though.

They may not enjoy lifting, socializing, etc that much.

According to you the only solution then is moving out of the country.

notonlyplace · 2018-02-05T00:39:23+00:00

Everything you say is 100% false

Don’t say you’re a programmer.

Yea, lying, such great display of poor game and character

Merwebb · 2018-02-03T21:57:12+00:00

Growing up in warmer climates doesn't relate to anything.

Lots of billys on the Caribbean

[deleted] · 2018-02-03T22:36:22+00:00

MGTOW exist because men like myself see women's true nature and are simply turned off as shit by it. I dont want some easily manipulated slut who's been with 50 men and can't control her urges. If she's not wife and kids material I'd rather do my own thing and use my hand. That cocky sort of demeanor a woman get after she fucks a chad is about the most obnoxious thing there is. The giggly loud gossipy women who never shut up have little appeal to me. You all can enjoy them. Haha.

I want to cuddle and have a real friend, not manipulate a whore... Or have both perhaps.

mala_madre · 2018-02-03T19:47:36+00:00

Yeah, studying computer science and can see this when Im out summer working, its a big downside that you have to work with that kind of people... Good tips!

shipintbrief · 2018-02-05T10:06:57+00:00

Where the fuck could you find those nerdy programmer's types in real life? I work in a company as a Java developer in a team of 10 guys and interacting with Ruby developer team of +50 — there's like maybe couple of nerds out there.

Being a good programmer is a nice, stressless job. You usually have gym in the same building as where your office is and I yet to see the guy from my team not visiting it. I am almost mocked for being the only one not doing deadlifts. Add to that crazily (one might say unreasonably) high pay — and there's your Alpha: buffed, calm, and successful above average. All guys from my team fuck left and right and don't even think about getting married.

Stop portraying programmers as nerds. There are nerds of course, but they are not majority.

Title	Programming will destroy your social skills
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Date	February 3, 2018 7:31 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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