What shocked you most about women?

PublicConsciousness · 2017-06-21T13:34:22+00:00

How most are completely geared towards primal desires i.e sex. Few have real hobbies. I have literally seen girls on dating sites say that texting is one of their hobbies.

It's all about "me me me so I can find a man man man".

Marque01 · 2017-06-21T14:17:16+00:00

The cookie-cutter mentality of most of them

They ALL love shoes

They ALL love tall guys

They ALL are full of themselves

Sure, there are probably exceptions, but I'm not seeing them

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T15:32:56+00:00

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DoYouEvenRackPull · 2017-06-21T17:53:33+00:00

How easy they have it. I've always thought we were on a somewhat uneven playing field, but it wasn't until recently when I found out that every 6+ girl has an enormous social circle consisting of dozens of orbiters and fuck buddies. I understand how they feel so entitled now. If you had dozens of girls sending you "good morning, beautiful 😘" texts every single day your ego would skyrocket. Once you get that kind of treatment it becomes the standard.

I saw a comment on here yesterday where someone said to "check a girl's social media inbox. It will red pill you faster than anything." One girl I dated had zero friends. She never spoke to anyone besides me except her family, always kept to herself and dropped one word responses to everyone who wasn't me. Then I saw her facebook messages. At least 10 guys she was talking to on the side. They're all attention whores and you will never be enough for them to want to fight their hypergamous nature because even if you're the only one giving her the time of day, she won't be thankful, in her head she is telling herself that she deserves more.

the_unseen_one · 2017-06-21T16:16:14+00:00

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the_unseen_one · 2017-06-21T15:34:27+00:00

Their extreme hypocrisy and their ability to hamster-wheel justification for every action, thought, emotion, or motive they have.

You can have all of the evidence and undeniable proof stacked against them, and they will still respond in the same manner (order of actions may vary):

*Deny/Lie

*Blame someone/something else

*Cry/Manipulate emotionally

*Become enraged, use strawmen, ad hominem, or gaslighting arguments

They are pure emotion and no logic.

TigPlaze · 2017-06-21T14:50:00+00:00

How so many of them think it's perfectly normal to go for men for their money. I despise them for that.

5pecial · 2017-06-21T19:36:00+00:00

How quickly they can move on from relationships

EthicalScoundrel · 2017-06-21T19:51:43+00:00

The biggest one for me was when I realized they're complicated, but not sophisticated. What's the difference, you ask?

You ever see those pictures of telephone poles in 3rd world countries where it looks like someone took all the wires and tied them in 1000 knots and then wrapped the whole rat's nest around the top of the pole? That's complicated. But it's the opposite of sophisticated.

Once I realized that, I stopped trying to "figure them out" because, hell, even women don't understand women's brains.

Joel928 · 2017-06-21T17:53:11+00:00

They have no honor.

1a. Their ability to ghost from a LTR. I still find this shocking in my mid-40's. My game is rock-solid, and I can go ice-cold if necessary, but women - it's like they're not human.

freethinker1976 · 2017-06-22T07:09:03+00:00

Mostly how much they lie. They seem to have absolutely no shame, morality or loyalty. They will deny deny deny until such time that absolute irrefutable proof is produced at which point they will play the victim and blame the man.

Her: "You checked my fucking Facebook??? You are violating my privacy you fuck"

Me: We just found out you are pregnant with our child and you have been out fucking Chad!"

Her: This Is why I do that. You are so controlling and suffocating and consumed with jealousy I can never do ANYTHING. You scare me!

Me: YOU HAVE BEEN FUCKING CHEATING ON ME!!!!

Her: You SEE? You are a psycho. Why don't you hit me! That's what you want right?" I don't even recognize you anymore, you've changed. All you do is work work work and when you get home you just sit infront of that stupid computer.

Me: We're having a child.....I need to work to support us.

She: You just don't get it do you? It's OVER, I'm leaving.

MParry6 · 2017-06-21T14:21:15+00:00

Their amorality. Everything else such as their dishonesty, disloyalty and dishonor stem from that.

ItsJustbanterm8 · 2017-06-21T17:29:06+00:00

How fucking terrible they are with money.

Holy shit

For example, if I say I'm good with money I mean I'm putting a certain amount aside I won't touch, I'm going to invest in X, Y and Z and make the asset work for me and plan ahead.

With them it's "I bought these shoes half price, wow I'm good with money."

I've even heard "I didn't buy Hypothetical Object X so I can afford to buy Y". As if the former magically made the funds for Object Y to appear.

UselessEater81 · 2017-06-21T21:00:48+00:00

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Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T16:01:53+00:00

They are fucking nuts....the lot of them. And every relationship with a woman will rob you of time, money or both.

gods_bones · 2017-06-21T16:20:32+00:00

That they are actually aware of everything they are doing.

The bullshit victim/martyr status they decorate themselves with about every single event in history.
The special privileges they gain by pretending they are fighting for equal rights.
The fingerpointing at men for all the problems they are equally responsible for.
That they molest children not just because they aren't mentally ill but also because they know they will get away with their child abuse scot-free because they have successfully fooled the world into thinking only men are capable of such monstrosity.
The fact that they knowingly aligned with a convicted murderer Donna Hylton and made her a keynote speaker during their Womens March.
The fact that they knowingly ignore the fact that Gal Gadot is an Israeli soldier who supports the mass genocide of innocent Palestinians just so they can worship her as Wonder Woman and claim she has a hit movie just so they can have more female centric superhero flicks.
That they knowingly bring new life into this world by trapping men into unplanned pregnancies just so they can get a free ride on his back.
That they willingly sell out a happy, healthy future for their own children because it is meet lucrative to divorce their father and claim his paycheque for their own benefit with alimony and child support.
That they actively deprive their children of their fathers by preventing him from seeing them, then destroy their fragile mentality by filling their heads with false stories about how he is an abusive monster who hates them.
That they sit around with their girlfriends strategizing how to divorce their husbands in the most optimal manner that will allow them to keep all his assets that they never earned.

I could go on and on and on and on. The list of ways women actively plan out how to destroy the lives of people around them is endless.

It's like finding out The Joker is actually sane and pretending to be insane so he can get away with murder.

WikiTextBot · 2017-06-21T17:15:16+00:00

The lying. The gaslighting (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting).

Just constant lies, sometimes literally about the previous sentence.

Me: "But you just said, '5 minutes'!!"

Her: "No, I said '10 minutes'"

Holy fuck, it messes with your mind. You start wondering if your memory is getting weak. Or maybe you're hallucinating? How can you hear "10 minutes" and think you heard "5 minutes"? When you trust her, and she's always lying, it breaks your heart bit by bit.

rtmlex · 2017-06-21T15:26:25+00:00

The filth they live in.

comptejete · 2017-06-21T15:26:41+00:00

The cool with which they will sweetly talk to their unsuspecting significant other on the phone while their tits still drip with sweat and cum from another man they first met just hours before.

T0000009 · 2017-06-23T06:09:28+00:00

STORY TIME

Back in the early 80's I picked up a hitch hiker, the guy was rail thin and had been on a tough road. I was headed close to where he wanted to go so I figured it would be an easy run. I stop at this burger joint and ask him what he wanted, he looked all despondent and broke up and I told him to cool his jets, it's on me. When I dropped him off he spent an eternity thanking me for "changing his life" when all I did was feed him and give him a lift, with some guy talk while I drove.

APPRECIATION!

That's what sickens me most, the utter and complete lack of basic manners, like please and thank you, the display of gratitude for doing them a solid or whatever action the man does for her.

I've been with Mercs, and at least they have a code even if it is gun for hire. Dealt with men who were liars, hustlers, sharks, and somebody's muscle so when a broad is running with that kinda crew it's bad news, but not the worst I've seen.

THEY NEVER APPRECIATE ANYTHING

No matter how much slack you cut them, the favors, the coin you drop, guidance, advice, wisdom, or other Super Hero bullshit you bring to bear, you will never get a sincere heart felt "thank you" regardless of how high the personal cost to you may be.

That bum I dropped off decades ago showed more appreciation for a ride and a burger than EVERY dame I've know or consorted with combined. Hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into the abyss of female demands got me nothing but red ink, but a homeless guy shows actual gratitude and real appreciation at some greasy spoon in Nowhere USA for a random act of kindness.

Slave away for decades to build an empire and some two bit whore waltzes up and claims it as hers without so much as a by your leave?

No Thanks!!

EthicalScoundrel · 2017-06-22T00:13:05+00:00

The fact that they treat each other like absolute garbage, do 90% of the slut-shaming, backstabbing, namecalling, etc. and then have the nerve to talk about how men are the problem? Bitch, I'm just trying to make enough money to live comfortably outside your shitty society. I don't give a damn about your bullshit theories on oppression--leave me out of it.

Slaide · 2017-06-21T16:14:24+00:00

Their complete inability to simply admit they are the cause of problems THEY DIRECTLY, FACTUALLY AND OBSERVABLY ARE A PART OF!

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-06-22T03:38:16+00:00

How they can go from red-hot passionate..to ice-cold, overnight, as if nothing ever happened.

trippyshrooms · 2017-06-26T07:30:55+00:00

What frustrated me the most was probably finding out about their sex lives - the dick carousel. How easy it is for them to get laid compared to men and the amount of dick they have. I know a slightly above average 19 year old chick who's banged 30 dudes and she's proud of it. She said that dick is literally thrown at her. I also hate the way they'd fuck Chad on a one night stand but then make their future boyfriend wait for weeks so he doesn't think she's easy. lol

blackierobinsun3 · 2017-06-21T23:58:15+00:00

I think a lot of us men were sold a dream on women, we saw the generations before us just told us, be a hardworking, honest man and you'll get a beautiful girl. But niggas grind they whole life and women say it ain't enough.

DziadekMruz · 2017-06-21T17:58:46+00:00

Well, my mother leaved me with my grandparents, I was 5 yo kid and she just put me to bed and leave when I was sleepy, the next thing was "Where is mommy?", when I was 6 she visited me at Christmas and I asked her if she will be back, she said yes, but never came back. After that never trusted any woman enough, because most of are just wait for the moment when man just start talking and show his weakness. After that I said to myself that I'm not going to marry any girl or date, if need help with house in the future because of something I'm going first to secure financially myself and then hire someone.

(Sorry for my english :X)

Voidslan · 2017-06-21T21:09:20+00:00

How empty they are. All interests dependent on sociability or smv. No desire for knowledge, just a willingness to learn if its NECESSARY. It's like they want to be pawns in a standard world and then be pretty so they stand out.

2017-06-21T18:12:35+00:00

They are never happy, and will blame the nearest man for that condition.

BlueReel · 2017-06-21T15:17:09+00:00

I honestly don't think it's all set in. I have brief moments of sadness but I don't think the shock has registered with my brain yet. I just hope I can overcome this shit fast and achieve self-actualization.

Reality is fucked.

the_unseen_one · 2017-06-21T18:17:48+00:00

Their lack of basic moral values. I had always thought that most people possess loyalty, integrity, and empathy, but these are nonexistent in every woman I have met aside from sometimes applying to their children. It is shocking, and it really makes me sad.

IslandicFreedom · 2017-06-21T19:18:26+00:00

How you can't trust a single word that comes out of their mouth.

Forget all the "I love you", "I want to have your child", "You satisfy me like no one else". Women think in the moment. The only time they will stay true to any big commitment is when it completely suits them.

How they can and will completely and without mercy write you off. There was this one chick, my first and only ever Unicorn (or so I thought). She claimed all of the above and up until the last day we spent together she was cool. And then I had to leave the country (for legal reasons). She mustered a few phone calls after that and then disappeared. Refused to communicate, no amounts of emails helped, etc. Just turned totally fucking cold. I guess this was the first time I totally lost trust in women.
Just what utter leaching bitches they are. If you have nothing to leach don't expect love. A man who has wealth will be leached off while they branch swing or fuck around behind your back. They'll try their luck on with any acquaintances you have. You might not even know it or suspect it, they're notoriously good at covering their tracks. Every bit of "love" you've ever gotten from a woman, any form of tangible interest has only been so that she can leach off of you. I'm virtually sure of this.

muensterkat · 2017-06-22T03:50:09+00:00

How unloyal they are and for how cheap. I've slept with several married women or engaged women. Some of them aren't even what you would think are sluts. I'm talking good Christian girls who never swear, go to church, you'd be proud to take them home to Mom. And it isn't even that hard, just tell them a few sweet things they want to hear and their minds do the real work. It made me really believe that no matter what I do, I'll never be able to find a truly loyal woman because their minds are so easily changed by their feelings. Just a few minutes of sweet noise and all their past feelings for you are forgotten.

Retromind · 2017-06-22T10:07:15+00:00

Lack of human nature. I begin to understand Islam's approach to women now.

ColdStoryBro · 2017-06-22T00:01:00+00:00

Their inability to form strong meaningful friendships.
Despite what I had been lead to believe an a child/young teen, women aren't actually developmentally advantaged over men. Their so call emotional maturity is arguable weaker than men at the same age (early adulthood/ late childhood). In terms of sexual development, women do have a window where in their bodies start developing earlier thanks to their sped up pituitary glad response. However, they are unable to get anything out of this advantage in terms of subconscious understanding of human relationships. They lack the empathy; unable to understand the struggles of the poor, men, elders (the me me me mentality) etc. They are cowardly; lacking the confidence to approach men, take responsibility for their own mistakes, ask others for protection. They are also dishonest; holding a false image of themselves to others both in their faces and in their words.

I doubt women will ever understand what it is like to be part of a properly functioning team. Being a real contributor to a social group. They will never understand the 'brotherhood' that forms between men. They will never know the comradery. This is when i finally saw the light in the ancient Greeks, who placed the friendship between men higher than that of marriage. Women are social retarded beings since they never elevate themselves beyond a high school mentality. They will never succeed because I think their biology just stunts them to be overgrown children and I have pity on them.

General_Fear · 2017-06-21T20:41:24+00:00

How totally amoral they are.

The idea that there are women who have no problem putting in a false rape allegation just so they can feel better about themselves or because they seek attention. They have no problem sending a man to prison for 20 years.

2017-06-21T16:29:42+00:00

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phantommaster1999 · 2017-07-11T08:16:31+00:00

How utterly useless they actually are. That they genuinely have no purpose apart from having babies. At Everything else , men are better. What's worse is even though women can have children they don't want to unless it's for financial gains (to trap the man). They always scream for free abortions whenever they can (expecting men's tax dollars to pay for it). Although in some cases I think abortion is genuinely needed, but definitely not 3000 of them everyday (just in USA). They complain about being asked to do the slightest of things.

They are not even good looking (at least 99.99%of them) unless they apply a shit ton of makeup. Whatever looks they have disappear after they reach 30-35.

How they misuse power when it is given to them. Men are physically and mentally stronger than women and yet the majority of women have not been raped or killed or beaten or even mistreated. This also goes to show men's moral superiority. Men could have destroyed women if they wanted to but instead have built a safe and secure world free from the threats of nature, filled with medicines of all kinds, all sorts of utilities. But it is not the same for women. Give women the right to abortion voilà 3000 per day. Give them the right to vote, voilà socialism creeps in (nuclear family gets destroyed, welfare state is established). Give them power in divorce courts voilà divorce rates skyrocket and 70%of them are initiated by women. Put them in teaching positions and they will sleep with their under age students.

Also their lack of understanding how the world works. If only they knew how much effort men put in to ensure society keeps going, they'd ditch feminism in a heartbeat. But they won't. They think "men are mean coz they don't listen to muh feelings and are rapists n killers". Lol if only men disappeared for one day I'd like to see how they would survive.

Their lack of purpose. They are not philosophical. Their highest purpose might be buying shoes. They are not thinkers and have never produced any great work.

We as men can never tell them anything or even get them to improve without being called misogynistic and sexist (along with small dick , Virgin, neck beard etc)

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-22T01:35:10+00:00

My last girlfriend. She showered me with compliments, affection, etc. She said shit like she wanted to be with me forever, til the end of time, etc. Then she demanded I marry her. She was broke as fuck, I make probably 8 times her earnings. I told her I couldn't marry her but I would be with her. If we love each other why do we need a contract. She knows I got fucked in divorce in the past so why would she force it on me. We broke it off, 2 months later she's with another dude, taking the same kind of pics with him as she did with me. Couldn't believe she branch swung so fast. After looking back I believe she was working on this the months leading up to our split. The classic beta orbiter. Oh well fuck it, I hope he marries her so she finally gets what she wants. I know she can't support herself so it would actually put my mind at ease. I feel like a BP bitch writing this.

MethaCat · 2017-06-21T18:32:23+00:00

The evolutionary implications of concealed ovulation, literally born to deceive men that would provide for her and somebody else('s?) son.

dot_dot_beep · 2017-06-21T18:33:12+00:00

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Onkel_Adolf · 2017-06-21T18:55:24+00:00

How they are willing to toss all care to the wind and drop any man they are with no matter how great that man is...when a muscular, tattooed Chad comes into their area.

2017-06-22T03:06:14+00:00

They can't love.

MilkMoney111 · 2017-06-21T15:24:01+00:00

How extremely two faced some of them are.

I had this cute girl in my friend circle, she was the most upfront i've ever seen. She straight up said "Who is that cute guy?" Points at me

Just to clarify. She wasn't a whale or lesbian looking chick. She looked very attractive and wanted to know me.

We texted back and forward. A relationship starts to make progression.

One day there was a shit storm. One of my friends accused her of making a meme about him on 9gag about being gay. My friend at the time, was an idiot. Acussing everyone without taking the proper steps to dissect the situation.

She became very upset. As this girl didn't do it. She was so fed up with my friend. She was planning to send a squad of kick boxers . To beat the guy to pulp. Fortunately i convinced her to not do it.

Immediately broke of, all forms of interaction.

I dodged a fucking "barrett 50 call bullet". What if that was me?

Maybe we get into a fight or break up? Is the fucking mafia going to come after me? Because she isn't joking.

This girl had a lot of connections with people who could fight or defend themselves. Always having protection around the corner.

At face value. This girl was a sweet innocent person. Who seemed to be interested in me. I knew it was too good to be true. Ended up being a crazy manipulative control freak.

Thebalance21 · 2017-06-28T08:23:36+00:00

Woman are the antithesis of romantics, creativity, compassion, altruism and noble aspirations. Men are the true ones who embody these. Men are the best artists, poets, writers, engineers, scientists, etc. We created a fictional representation of women and fell for it because it sounded noble.

Sorensofos · 2017-06-21T16:04:38+00:00

Narcisism, manipulation, mercenary materialistics. All that matters in the end is the BUX for the beta. If you dont have $$$ you don´t play.

wsuofd · 2017-06-21T19:26:09+00:00

How stressed and angry they are, nearly daily.

2017-06-21T21:41:50+00:00

The media potrays them as humble caring angels who want a nice guy but its been the complete opposite in my experience

FriedChickenGuy · 2017-06-22T02:16:30+00:00

How horny (and uncontrolled with it) they are.
How slow-minded/dumb they are.
How competitive they are.
How they never have/can't even understand ethics or anything related (loyalty, honor, etc.)
How cold they are.
How dishonest they are.
How ruthless they are.
How shallow they are.

There's probably more but those are the main things that I've learned about women in the past couple of decades that have really surprised me.

Not at all anything like I was taught about how women are "naturally". Complete opposite in fact.

cleats4u · 2017-06-21T21:19:03+00:00

The only time they are interested in you and your well being is when they want something. Otherwise you could drop dead and they would step over you and go on about their business. Calling 911 might interrupt them from thinking about themselves.

fickle_fuck · 2017-06-21T21:50:54+00:00

How completely helpless they are. Other than a pretty face and a wet hole, what can you do? Can you change your own oil. Hell do you even know what weight of oil your car uses? Can you wire an outlet? Or how about hopping up in the attic when needed?

Onkel_Adolf · 2017-06-22T00:02:16+00:00

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PabloEscoba · 2017-06-22T20:44:48+00:00

How most are un aware of the wall

How most overvalue their SMV

How most are constantly trying to upgrade their partners or monkeybranch

How boring all of them are

NomadicAnomaly · 2017-06-23T07:05:42+00:00

How, even the shyest, nicest, most loyal, most innocent seeming girls might have a past that completely belies their demeanor. Furthermore, even for those without that past, seeing how quickly they change (or cheat) and regress as a person as they develop a taste for male attention/competition, princess-mentalities, and manipulation.

Tercalerc · 2017-06-23T14:03:14+00:00

What shocked me the most before I discovered mgtow, was the epidemic of the detrimental effect being raised by a single mother has on men nationally. Over 50% of incarcerated criminals were raised in a single mother environment. This doesn't even include the amount of mental health issues that arise from it (anecdote: I was raised by a single mother, and have ADD with co-morbid depression, and now on the verge of alcoholism).

WantingToDiscuss · 2017-06-28T18:37:21+00:00

What surprised me was how incapable of critical thinking and really any form of advanced logic or higher reasoning many women are, they quite literally operate on 100% emotion and instinct. Very child like in a way.

How incredibly shallow and "me, me, me" self-centred they are. Despite how we're brainwashed to think women are the kinder, gentler sex.. They're anything but. Women really are far, faaaaar more shallow than most men. I mean:

Things that women judge men on & body shame men about	Genetic?	Dealbreaker?
Height	Yes	Yes
Penis Size	Yes	Yes
Balding	Yes	Yes
Facial Aesthetics	Yes	Yes
Fitness	No	Depends on severity

Things that men judge women on & body shame women about	Genetic?	Dealbreaker?

I rest my case.

How they can simply coldly ditch you, ghost you completly and cut you outta their lives as if nothing ever happened between the two of you etc.. all whenever they get more intense tingles from a Chad type and or otherwise in her mind better male.

How they'll reject, dinigrate and mock you during their 20s but as soon as they sense their bodyclock reaching its end, as soon as they sense themselves becoming a banged out, washed up slut, used up and dumped on the scrap heap by the top 10-20% guys etc.. all of a sudden they want you. All of a sudden your their man.. yeah no thanks hun.

mrk68 · 2017-06-21T18:35:49+00:00

Self-important, entitled, coddled, deceitful, rude, manipulative, cowardice, dishonest, greedy, hypergamous, and...overall most are just plain bat shit crazy.

2017-06-22T22:08:28+00:00

People are extremely judgemental in general, but women take that shit to whole new heights. They judge you by the most ridiculous shit...

Your car, your house, your bank account, your body, your hair, your dick, your teeth, your hands, even your motherfucking fingernails.. feel free to add on.

Red_Shambhala · 2017-09-01T04:43:50+00:00

Not sure if there ever was that one single thing that totally shocked me, it was more of a process. It never felt like simply swallowing a "pill" to me, more like slowly changing your diet.

But I guess one of the things that shocked me the most was/is how little variability there is among women. I mean, there is so much variability among men, for better or worse. The great artists are all men but the "reading's just for faggots"-types are also mostly men. IQ tests: people with IQ above average are usually men but people with IQ below the average are also mostly men. The funny people are all men, the super serious preacher / depressed poet types are also men. There are men who are into tall or fat women, but there aren't any women into short men. There are men into dominant women, but there aren't any women into submissive men. Many men would be fine with a women earning more than them, women, however, are not. And so on.

With women it often feels like if you know one, you know them all. There is so little variability among them. They all have the same social attitude (hypergamous), the same sexual preferences (submissive and masochist), the same opinions and views (they just parrot everything the media, academia, "activists" and "artists" want them to parrot), the same interests ("travel"), the same non-existing humor, etc.

To sum up: What shocked me most was that all the interesting women were creations of male writers. Male writers get so much shit from feminists, although feminists should actually be flattered. Because these women from male writers are always the most interesting women, whereas RL women are all pretty much the same and dull.

2017-06-22T01:45:53+00:00

Their vindictiveness. "Hell hath no fury like a women scorned" is a saying for a reason. The absolute lack of empathy for any other living creature besides themselves is astounding. I don't think it's possible for them to come anywhere close to self-actualization. That is reserved for only enlightened men.

2017-06-23T06:45:35+00:00

How they can behave like nice girls with chad and treat you like shit because you are not attractive

Jcart105 · 2017-06-23T11:56:20+00:00

I think my first stride on my path to understanding the true nature of women was primarily through my first-hand social engagements with them and their social media accounts. They are all very conniving, opportunistic, and superficial. Many of them are too scared to be blunt or honest in person and want to keep men on the hook in case they need them for something later. Now, their social media accounts where they posted some of the most obscene bullshit was probably the biggest RP I consumed without ever realizing it. With almost every girl I've had a crush on or dated, I lost attraction to them almost instantly digging through their social media profiles. These whores simply have no shame anymore — they will reveal the worst forms of female nature without any regret or shame whatsoever. No matter how entitled, trashy, slutty, man-blaming, branch-swinging/hypergamous etc they may be — nothing stopped them from revealing it on full display on social media.

Aside from that, watching older male family members get divorce raped and humiliated, seeing male friends get cheated on and made emotionally unstable, being cheated on myself, pretty much always finding out one way or another that that 'sweet and innocent' supposed-NAWALT was just a worthless, dirty, opportunistic whore when I dug up enough information pretty much just confirmed everything that is said here on a daily basis.

reaper555 · 2017-06-23T23:28:52+00:00

When you have outlived your usefulness how the quickly turn on you.

ikhwan_arif · 2017-06-21T20:57:02+00:00

It's the lies.

The blatant, purposeful, systematic, institutional, methodical lies.

BukM1 · 2017-06-22T00:32:06+00:00

how they broadcast their trashy vile flaws as if they are proud.

got no fucking shame, got no fucking standards.

scriptkiddie1337 · 2017-06-22T22:34:27+00:00

How millennial mums are the worst. They want a babysitter at the snap of their fingers to go out every Saturday night. They want more money off the government because being a mum is the hardest job in the world, and to buy designer clothes with and latest iphone. All this without having to go to work. They want a nice new house paid for by the state and a boyfriend who can handle them and take their kid(s) on. They are the most entitled and competitive people ever

Bad_Idea01 · 2017-06-28T16:48:08+00:00

Well where to start. Okay. Maybe I'll catch some blue male beta shit and what not but I can't help but feel that, while I sympathize with the problems facing the new generation of men, personally; I'm actually trying to find someone to have a family with. But I digress.

Honestly as a prospecting male, I find that 95% of women who are actually fuckable for more than a single night; they're all losers honestly. They don't take care of themselves, they don't want commitment, and they all smoke dope and work dead end jobs. I'm looking for someone to actually contribute to a partnership, not just get pregnant and take my money and healthcare. Most women in this generation have no ambition or skills they can actually translate into a relationship. They're going to waste their prime years of fertility to have kids with a bunch of dudes, work dead end jobs, and smoke dope 24/7.

Single mothers are only concerned with getting security for their children. They aren't looking for a partnership. They're looking for a hand out. All women want to do is party and waste the most important years of their lives away. It's pathetic. I'm here actually trying to find a fucking unicorn. But god knows that shit isn't happening. Don't get me wrong I understand the risks involved in this chapter of life. But for fucks sake whatever happened to the women who only wanted to stay home and raise kids, garden, cook, and satisfy their partners? Apparently modern society has killed these once common ideal partners. But I suppose it can't be helped. Perhaps the best pathway is to establish myself even further and try again in 10 years with a much younger wife. Though I highly doubt anything would improve by then.

The most shocking thing about women to me is their culture of rejecting the stable nuclear family, in favor of wasting their lives away and years of fertility partying, working dead end jobs, and doing drugs rather than applying their time to become mothers. America no doubt is plagued by femme culture that calls for women to waste their time in the pursuit of promiscuous sex and pointless careers when they are suited to be caretakers and home builders. But hey, I suppose this is just the world we live in.

Mr_Lonesome · 2017-07-22T00:21:18+00:00

How much they are sooooooo much alike. Completely, utterly, absolutely programmed to be the same. Meet one girl in today's times, you would have meet 1,000 if not 1 million like her. They do the same thing. Eat the same. Talk the same. Heck write the same bubbly handwriting. Strut in their yoga pants the same. Absorbed in their phones the same. Frequent their local Starbucks the same...

For men, you could meet a diverse, interesting array across a spectrum including cocky, nerdy, quiet, extrovert, introvert, creative, logical, funny, poignant, critical thinker, problem solver, handyman, programmer, scientist, novelist, etc. etc. etc. But women are all the same flat scans. It's baffling how the thirst game doesn't go the other way and men should be chased after and put on pedestals instead of treated as disposable. It's women who are disposable, even replaceable, right off the assembly line. That is why AWALT is so fitting a construct for them. Like a country of sorority sisters. The quintessential, dumbed down sheep. Groupthink mentality. Exactly why they can easily be swayed by ideologies: feminism and gynocentrism and consumerism.

CynicalSoup · 2017-06-21T15:33:12+00:00

That they are supposedly human.

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T18:02:01+00:00

That any time they open their mouth they are spewing lies.

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T18:15:35+00:00

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Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T20:48:14+00:00

Smelly vaginas.

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T22:05:14+00:00

How actually stupid they are. I was in a relationship with a woman for about 8 years, and I thought she was intelligent until I started calling her on her bs.

mgtowmish · 2017-06-22T02:15:38+00:00

The lack of empathy... if you think your ex-wife/partners behavior was a secret to her friends it wasn't and it was more then likely encouraged.

2017-06-22T11:53:41+00:00

How their behavior changes pre and post-wall. It's pretty jarring watching a woman who used to throw up whenever you made a pass at her now laugh at all your jokes.

MRA-automatron-2kb · 2017-06-24T03:01:25+00:00

Not really a shock but I find women in business are unable to solve simple problems.

They have to find the most complicated way of solving a simple problem.

It might be because they expect a man to rescue them so they don't have the ability to problem solve?

2017-06-24T04:09:37+00:00

that 99 percent have no concept of honor.

my worldview was shattered when the phrase "she would never do that" was thrown in my face- over and over again.

AMR2802 · 2017-06-26T14:56:09+00:00

They dispise weakness and will leave you once you don't give them profits

Ovendice · 2017-06-29T20:51:38+00:00

They are so shallow and weak, but that little of mind that they have, they use it to be as merciless as possible.

The Athenians said that to educate a female is like giving more venom to a snake in order to hurt men more. There was actually a study done a few years back (can't find it now) that showed that abusive women were the opposite of men; the most abusive women are all educated while abusive men tend to be the less educated ones. But you really don't need a university study to know that.

AwayThrower24 · 2017-06-30T12:29:55+00:00

That they can just stop loving you in one second even if you've been together for years. And I think that they cant feel love the same way a man can. And 2 weeks later they're fucking another man.

And loyalty. Do they know what that is?

Trek13 · 2017-07-08T14:33:39+00:00

The Truth.

Its fucking Brutal.

You can love women or you can understand them. You cant do both.

2017-07-15T10:25:01+00:00

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Cicuta · 2017-06-21T13:56:25+00:00

How worse her sexism is than his. Even if a man is a truly bad sexist he still wants a woman. Women can easily not want a man so their sexism has no built-in restraint.

Obnition · 2017-07-09T14:58:42+00:00

They are so nice and if you are honest and caring they will be the same towards you.

CIAC50 · 2017-06-21T18:40:34+00:00

How bigoted and class conscious they can be. Shopping and soap operas are activities which lead to texting their girlfriends about shopping and soap operas.Anything strange or foreign! Don't want to know.

2017-06-21T19:08:34+00:00

When I was young, I believed when girls said "oh, I'm not like other girls". Now, when they say that, I'm just

cheesymold · 2017-06-22T01:46:33+00:00

When left to themselves they turn into reptile brained degenerates.

2017-06-23T17:59:14+00:00

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2017-06-23T17:59:58+00:00

Finances! Holy shit. Every gf I had was atrocious with money. As soon as I learned they had a 40-50k debt from some liberal arts college, I want to fuck and get out of there.

2017-06-24T03:27:33+00:00

how quickly they emotionally divest once you lose your job and need their support. fucking whew that shit happens fast

2017-07-03T17:15:25+00:00

Just waiting at a bus stop with a girl. It was hot she didn't have a bra

A v8 100k$ car passes by with a nice sound.

Her nipples got hard

Fearless_Ser · 2017-06-21T20:28:34+00:00

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2017-06-22T02:16:25+00:00

How selfish they are and that the only way they can only love is how you can be of service to them as well as only caring about the validation of other women. We men are only machines to them.

Phixer7 · 2017-06-23T04:22:23+00:00

How fucken dirty they are

Clean your living area and wash your twats

Cuck-WTF · 2017-06-24T21:57:35+00:00

Their complete refusal to maintain their physical and mental health. Because being broken is more valuable to their agenda.

GarbageTruckJuice · 2017-07-05T16:06:16+00:00

"I'm not like most girls" - all girls

AlgoCrusher · 2017-07-12T17:49:47+00:00

Literal resource parasites. They use "love" as a weapon, but will turn around and stab you in the front the very next day. Ruthless creatures whom rely on crying like little girls to disarm and manipulate men.

2017-08-27T08:15:22+00:00

After too many years wasted trying to be an "enlightened" male trying to be respectful of women, and after living with five different females and for over 20 years of adult life I finally learned that they are in a constant state of fear for their lives - They are complete cowards - They have the consciousness of a person willing to do or say anything to save themselves - They can never be trusted for anything other than trust them to be manipulative - They will screw over family, friends and anybody to secure their own protection - I'll say it again - They are complete cowards.

2017-09-30T23:49:54+00:00

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ItsJustbanterm8 · 2017-06-21T17:36:04+00:00

Also, how much they'll lie to protect their ego.

lolwomen321 · 2017-06-22T14:18:27+00:00

Their lack of humanity, decency and basic empathy.

Also how disgusting their genitals are.

kyledontcare · 2017-06-23T04:20:50+00:00

How absolutely lazy they are.

Serenityjunkie · 2017-06-23T14:24:48+00:00

Hygiene

2017-06-23T19:27:28+00:00

That they expect to be taken seriously.
That, with a few exceptions, they make no attempts to improve themselves, or grow as people, or pursue anything intellectual...
Their materialism and the way they seek satisfaction through possessions, conspicuous consumption, and status. For the vast majority, they get off on buying the next thing. It's like they have no concept of intrinsic satisfaction... the only way they're satisfied is via extrinsic motivators: things, social status, etc. They're so unaware of themselves, so non-introspective...

Dzartovian94 · 2017-06-24T10:36:49+00:00

Completely unrealistic.

The old saying; "the more aware you are of the purpose behind advertising, the less likely you are to be influenced by it." 100% true.

There are 3-5 women that believe they can attract a 7+ dude because they are somehow different after being used by hundreds of men.

Basic law of supply and demand, when the demand decreases, so does the price. Yet they still believe in fairytales, it's fucking amazing.

EnslavedOpethFan053 · 2017-07-04T18:05:45+00:00

The lies, the lack of empathy/sympathy, how they shit talk their bfs/husbands behind their backs without remorse (and all of them do it), how 99% of the women I've met in my life have all cheated on their bfs/husbands (I was cheated on twice...that I know of) and have absolutely no fucking shame in it whatsoever.

The shit testing, the mind games, the manipulation tactics, the smear campaigns they start against you if you don't put up with their bullshit (Dealt with that shit at work. This bitch had half of my department hating my guts because I wouldn't put up with her bullshit). How they complain that women have it harder compared to men while reaping the benefits of free drinks at bars, lopsided divorce/child custody settlements and a whole fucking plethora of other shit that they take advantage of (you guys know how long that laundry list is).

I've got a pretty recent story to share with you that has to deal with the manipulation/victim mentality they have as well.

I've been saving up to buy a new car (had the old one scrapped) so this work acquaintance of mine has been driving me home the last couple of months. She goes out of her way a bit and I pay her extra for it. She was the one that offered to drive me as well.

So I send her a message on FB yesterday asking her how was work (I'm off this week) and she says it was shitty and the proceeds to say: I didn't have to drive anyone home today. I was able to go straight home. I really miss doing that.

So I started laughing and said: So do it then. I'll find another ride home. You offered to drive me remember.

She then turned what I said into this giant argument over absolutely nothing lol trying to make me feel bad because: I like driving you guys home. I don't mind and here you are saying I don't (I never said that). I said: Well there must be a part of you that wants to go back to that or you wouldn't have said you missed driving straight home after work. She then tried to make me feel bad by saying a bunch of shit that was irrelevant to the topic (about her feelz) to which it bounced off of me and I stuck to the topic at hand. After this shit, I'm definitely going to be looking for someone else until I get my new car.

Nothing pisses me off more than when someone offers to do something for youand then they have the audacity to complain about it later. She's not doing it because she gives a shit about our well being (the other two in the car she drives). She's doing it for the money. I'm not stupid lol and that's another thing that pisses me off. I know why she does it but she tries to make it seem like she's doing it out of the goodness of her heart but if that was the case, she wouldn't have said what she said.

Beyond fucking retarded.

abaxeron · 2017-07-18T16:45:47+00:00

How they can graduate from top-tier univeristy with flying colors and perfect grades, with their brain stuffed with humanity's most tip-of-the-spear knowledge, only to then get married, dive into "hobbies" such as sport, dancing or playing violin, and never work a single day in their lives again.

I've barely made it to postgrad, and now I can't go to sleep without thinking of prototyping and/or innovating some shit; I would go insane without an intellectually stimulating job.

IAmNotDying · 2017-09-05T13:16:59+00:00

That my wife of 13 years wanted a divorce about a week after my Doctor told her my heart would probably eventually fail. (ie my life span would be shortened and she would end up alone)

Gotta get out there and lock down a new man before she gets too old...

phoenixtoast · 2017-09-18T06:35:26+00:00

I'm late to the party so I'm sure what I'm about to say has already been said many times. But it will just add further proof to this universal condition.

The thing that has shocked me the most is how you never see the end coming. If dating and relationships or whatever it's even called these days followed any sort of logic you would probably have a pretty good idea when the woman is about to leave you. It would probably follow some tumultuous argument or something. But in real life they usually drop the axe when you least suspect it.

The girlfriend who moves out when you're at work. The woman who hooks up with a random drunk guy at the club after you've just gone through a textbook romantic date night together. The girl who goes outside to smoke a cigarette and never comes back. The one who makes plans with you and then ghosts on your text messages, never to be heard from again.

It's always totally random and when you least suspect it. How are you not supposed to be a nervous wreck? And we all know the moment you show any sort of doubt or weakness they will leave you anyway. Yet there is nothing you can ever do except to get to a point where you are a complete nihilist or live in constant fear. The best day you have with her will probably be your last, and you'll never find out why.

Evil regimes used to do this is prison camps. March you out every morning for a mock execution with an empty pistol. Eventually you entered a state of constant fear, never knowing if today was the day there would actually be a round in the chamber. Modern dating is no different. Every woman will lie to you constantly up until the random moment she decides to split. So every day you wonder if she's actually going to text back, show up, come home at night. How can you ever enjoy anything?

2017-09-18T12:19:47+00:00

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2017-10-03T10:29:28+00:00

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that basically sums it up

downvotesallday · 2017-10-14T19:56:12+00:00

That there are 3 billion of them and not one of them knows what they want for diner.

Blankaccount111 · 2017-10-18T06:50:53+00:00

When I worked at a restaurant in high school I received an early education about AWALT and CHADS. I can't of course prove or verify but I still believe it was true as there was not really any reason for my source to lie and all evidence pointed to it being true.

I had a crush on one of the waitresses who of course was not interested in a normal beta guy like me. I talked to the lesbian waitress about her and she told me the most horrifying story of my life that haunts me to this day. She told me I shouldn't sweat it because the other day they were talking in the backroom. The girl I liked and another attractive waitress were complaining about having to go to the doctor so often to get rid of STD's. They were both fucking the same CHAD at the restaurant and apparently he got around so much and refused to use condoms so he was basically a walking STD. However they were still actively fucking him. I learned that hot women would rather knowingly, repeatedly, COLLECTIVELY raw dog a CHAD they know is infecting them with an STD rather than even go on a date with a normal beta like me.

This was the very beginning of how I became MGTOW before it was a thing.

boringcarpets · 2017-06-21T17:04:50+00:00

It has to be how insanely spiteful and vindictive they are

BigPimp92 · 2017-07-15T03:32:37+00:00

How un-interesting they are, especially in conversation. It seems like they have no interests, no hobbies, no spark of life. It is like trying to make conversation with a sack of potatoes.

2017-06-22T00:56:27+00:00

Thanks guys, it's good to come back here to keep the mind in perspective.

robowriter · 2017-06-23T04:23:20+00:00

They don't love you personally. I love you means 'you love me." It's all conditional on what you can do for them.

2017-09-06T19:53:09+00:00

What shocks me most about women is: How even with them being useless shits with no survival and self-preservation ability whatsoever, they still end up statistically outliving men. And this has been happening ever since ol' great grandfather caveman was smashing trees with his fist like Steve from Minecraft.

What kind of parasite manages to outlive it's host? Shit is worse than Ridley Scott's alien.

Edwardft86 · 2017-06-22T16:09:01+00:00

how they can lie without feeling any shame or guilt.

amcynic · 2017-06-26T06:27:27+00:00

What's shocked me the most is how unrealistic their expectations are. There was always hypergamy, but today's feminism and gender studies have convinced women that anything short of a handsome billionaire with a 12 inch cock isn't good enough for them.

Pope_Lucious · 2017-08-25T01:44:35+00:00

I remember one event which started to Red Pill me in college. Some singer named Mike Posner came to my college and I was talking to a girl about it. She told me and some of my friends a story about how he went back and partied at a fraternity house that her and her sorority sisters were hanging out at. Posner fucked a chick while her boyfriend was fuming outside the room. The eerie thing was the girl telling us this story had almost no emotional affect when recounting it. It was like she was telling a story about her getting groceries.

After the story all the guys went quiet and we kind of looked at each other. She spoke up,

Her: "I mean it's just something that's going to happen. He's famous."

(Group silence for a few seconds)

Me: "I suppose I would like to think girls value their relationships more than that"

Her: "I mean yea, you would like to believe that"

Remember gents, AWALT.

renzy123 · 2017-08-31T16:44:13+00:00

How they will use intimate information you shared with them against you. I literally cannot think of anything more evil. I didn't even think people you thought cared for you were even capable of stooping that low. I might be an asshole sometimes, but I would never use your own secrets and insecurities against you. That's just too easy.

Ragmer · 2017-07-05T22:53:40+00:00

The blatant double standards. I was talking with my mum one day about how entitled some people are. Namely a discussion with a woman I know who was getting pretty worked up that some guy wouldn't stop to change her tire for her.

Anyway, was telling my mum I wouldn't stop for her either. Nor most any other woman with a flat. Good gods it's not that hard to change a tire. That's basic shit you ought to know to drive a vehicle. Even if you don't there's damn pictures showing you how to do it.

Mum says "why do you hate women so much." Nice assumption mum thanks. I respond "I don't, I just hate useless fucks."

I'd stop to help any guy or girl if they were in clear trouble, but a flat? Yeah, I've got other shit to do.

peedove · 2017-06-22T03:58:59+00:00

Their thought process being completely run off emotions.... Like how the hell does that even work?

I spent lots of time in my teens trying to figure out how women think and what is so different about their logic just to get with more girls. I initially thought their mind featured much more complex logic than that of a man but it turns out there is just enough logic and primitive drive to keep them functioning and then the whole shit is doped with emotion.

Jonlife · 2017-07-02T23:26:51+00:00

Their level of infinite manipulation. They never stop. They're like terminator. They are relentless and will stop at nothing to get their way all the while blaming everything in their wake

mgtown · 2017-07-24T06:42:02+00:00

Make-up. I always knew my sexuality and love was more intense than a woman's, but I never really questioned women's sexuality until I came to grips with how much "femininity" is actually due to make up.

Without it women are basically weaker, more bitter, strangely shaped men that loook slightly younger, age faster, and lack motivation, drive, patience, etc.

I think the most satisfying thing about the shock was that I can genuinely compliment crossdressers on their beauty without feeling insecure in my sexuality. The insecure ones were the women all along. Like, even crossdressers don't try to wear make-up 24/7 to spite themselves.

For all the shit women say about bodyshaming, it's really telling that even the fatties cling and hold dear their make-up to declare their feminine status.

They'll get fat. They'll grow out their body hair. They'll stop showering to reclaim "natural oils" with terrible odors. But, they'll never get rid of the make up.

Gmiou · 2017-09-11T19:44:03+00:00

I'm the stupidity in all its glory! To learn a lesson it took me 4 major relationships, married 2, physical, emotional abuse, got arrested and locked in multiple times, false accusations cause the bitches couldn't always get what the want, so was pure revenge....!!! Of course guess who the cops and courts believe......!!! Spend 100s of thousands in the elegal legal system, lost everything, lost my son, job several times, lost my home, car, friends, habits, freedom (literally) etc Now im a 46yo loser, broke with nothing behind him that went back in to staying with his parents!! All this cause of my addiction to pussy! But......... Finally i know..... Pussy ain't no good! I prefer jerking off for the rest of my life and i Will do it. So... I think accidentally i went straight to level 4 of MGTOW ha ha ha Hope all of you guys don't do with females 1% of the stupid me did!!

throw_away_mgtow1 · 2017-10-02T03:12:06+00:00

They never keep their word.

memphishighway61 · 2017-10-10T23:16:45+00:00

Just happened to me a few hours ago. I was walking in front of a hotel. Two girls in their early twenties stopped me and asked if I worked at the hotel. I was in a hurry, so I just shook my head and kept walking. One of them rolled her eyes and said to the other, "That ****sucker didn't even answer." I stopped, looked at her and said, "What makes you think you have the right to talk about me like that?" She practically ran inside the hotel, and yelled "We're going to call the police and tell them you threatened us!!!"

bjred78 · 2017-08-06T21:35:14+00:00

Finding out my 'unicorn' was just like all the others. Cold, deceitful, evil. After 5 years of "I love you" how quick that turned into "I dont see a future with you" then ghosting!

What stung the most was finding out less than 2 years later she's married with a kid.

You could say I dodged a bullet. 😊

boredward43 · 2017-09-07T04:45:16+00:00

How stupid and money grabbing they are. Even when it will hurt them in the long term. Cash or shopping now wins. Their inability to feel love. Their inability to feel empathy. Their dead hearts. Their lack of a soul.

datinfo · 2017-09-21T08:21:07+00:00

They're weak as fuck, so they do everything in their power to get men to protect them. But once they're protected, they forget how weak they are and act like they're invincible. They're like immature children perpetually looking for daddy's protection. Inferior, weak, dishonorable.

2017-09-28T21:57:21+00:00

The lack of self-awareness. Particularly their lack of awareness of consequences. The idea of chain reactions. The concept that A can cause B which leads to C. Everything seems so isolated and random to them unless they're somehow trying to explain why something is your fault.

2017-06-29T00:47:17+00:00

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Squidhunter88 · 2017-06-29T14:12:18+00:00

how they blindly defend each other. No matter what. The "pussy mafia" as one called it.

SearsPonch0 · 2017-07-14T14:08:36+00:00

They don't possess the ability to love. They can say all the right things and talk the talk, but they can't truly love. The day I had "the one" dump me not 24 hours after saying how much she loved me and all that horseshit was the day I went MGTOW.

crimsonsamuraiftw · 2017-08-15T06:57:13+00:00

I could literally give a thousand answers, but I think when it ultimately comes down to it; It's that they aren't worth the effort. This alone is the existential crisis that society is coming to face, that MGTOW is the spear head of.

benno2332 · 2017-08-16T08:11:18+00:00

My ex girlfriend of two years properly fucked me over when we broke up. I'd got her a job at the company I worked at, and the break up was a long time coming. I remember going into work the next day and having practically all of the women in my department staring at me in some evil fashion.

I found out later that day that she'd been spreading rumours around the office that I'd abused her, raped her, and then kicked her to the curb. I did nothing but try and show this woman how much I actually care for her.

Police turned up at my house that evening, arrested me on suspicion of rape and kept me in a cell overnight, before learning that she'd been lying through her teeth.

It got to the point about a week later where I couldn't work there anymore. I constantly had the shakes and suicidal thoughts started to creep in. I started thinking "did I make a huge mistake here?", but I wasn't going to give her the satisfaction of being able to shoot me down. (I made the decision to finally break up).

I left a promising job at a great company, and gave up on any future there, because a woman I'd tried my hardest to love had decided to completely fuck me over.

After that, I spent a good couple of years developing an unhealthy addiction to alcohol and marijuana.

But then I found her. The girl who changed everything. The one girl who didn't actually want anything from me except love. And the rest is history!

She's out there, guys. Don't give up on looking for her.

2017-08-21T14:32:57+00:00

I have to agree with the top ones because they were huge for me but I will say one that I think was one of my biggest. What shocked me was how "easy" a lot of women actually are. If you lift, learn good social game, can make women laugh, and can escalate to physical relationship then they automatically get wet. Every man can do this.

I spent a lot of time in my early years blue pill thinking women needed to be courted and charmed to convince them that you were good enough for her. I realized how much bullshit that was and that I had to turn the tables. I learned that the reality was much simpler in nature. But then you realize it's your turn not you. You are just doing what women respond to. Its appealing to their natural hypergamous automatic behavior. Awalt.

However as "easy" as women are they are impossible. You realize how little it actually matters because long term attraction is impossible. Women get bored easily and also never stop testing and they always want more or better. No man can keep up with this. It's exhausting. It's not worth putting up a continuous act of alphaness to keep your women wet. So you have to do this continuously to keep her interested enough to not leave you or if you made it to marriage to not entice her to take half of your stuff.

If men knew this they wouldn't get married. It's a game that no man is capable of winning. Not even the most alpha man out there. If men knew this they wouldn't care so much about relationships they would just pump and dump constantly. The average guys wouldn't put so much effort into being attractive. Men will always feel their biological attraction to women but once the red pill hits the juice isn't worth the squeeze.

2017-09-24T16:10:50+00:00

Was at a party last night and was talking to a mid 30s mom.

I was having a conversation talking about me not having kids and not settling for one chick and just seeing whats out there.

She said: "most girls are all just the same though"

Was kinda suprised she said that.

LarsBohenan · 2017-09-26T22:13:12+00:00

Nothing truly shocking but...

Their myopic view of life. Their curiosities rarely extend beyond their immediate social circle and their interplays, child-like things like going to (enter generic location such as beach, mountain), boyfriends, it's all trivialities and minutia. Even politically orientated women are typically embarrassingly short-sighted and inevitably left-wing and take every karl marx doctrine as gospel.
The quiet frustration they experience when any thought provoking topic arises as they prefer to live within certain boundaries and comfort zones that dont threaten their world view. Men naturally like to push these blurred lines as they are the source of comedy, progress and art, all of which they have little appreciation of.
This one: How they conversate. Details details details, often lacking in real value. And how you are always expected to take the lead in dialogue or else awkward silence. You are left completely stranded as they dont get subtlety.
No comedy. I can name a handful of women who express humour but it's rare.
The wealthier the society, the more terrible she is. The self-entitled ice queens and brats emerge and know nothing less than unearned respect. We placate them under the allure of their beauty, reinforcing their nature.

The true reason why women can move from one guy to another with an easy conscious is that it was never real to begin with. It was very much an act on both sides but she finds another far easier than the guy, it's why he finds it difficult as now he's left completely stranded.

red_pill__ftw · 2017-10-16T20:16:04+00:00

Selfish, shallow, conceited , stuck up sluts. They pretend they want love and can't find a " nice guy" but continue to fuck bar guys and club guys over and over. THEN after getting older and hitting the wall of age they suddenly " find " God . They ALWAYS play the victim card. But they are adults with free will and the choice to live as they please so obviously being cheating sluts is what they want, not " a nice guy". They are hypocrites that want it all their way and live deluded lives of lies. Every fucking women has a "poor me " victim story. And the real victim is morality and usually good mens hearts who thought that women were worthy of love and affecton when in fact they are simply not worth it. Not worth it at all.

Griever114 · 2017-06-21T18:41:16+00:00

Feelings/what they want >>>>>>>>>>>> any logic, reason, rationale or anything you want

this includes using feelings to justify and/or rationalize their way out of any problem or fault.

reptilianoverlord94 · 2017-06-27T11:58:12+00:00

That they care more about status than they do about men. I was always taught women loved good men. They love money and power but at the end of the day you can be a billionaire and they'll still have Chad there.

2017-06-28T13:29:37+00:00

How quickly they can change their whole view-point on reality, and their emotional instability in general.

I was best friends with a woman, talked to her almost daily about anything and everything for around two years, she was always so open and interested and interesting, also fairly genuine, giving, logical and thoughtful. She was my best friend. I thought she was pretty intelligent too, she wasn't like other women I had met in the past..certainly one in a million, you could have an interesting conversation with her that could last for a whole day, and we did plenty of times.

Overnight, it's almost like she had a complete character change, she would be uncharacteristically borderline aggressive with me, incredibly selfish, illogical and had started being increasingly more dishonest to me when I already knew better. She started talking behind my back consistently, telling our shared friends things I had told her in absolute confidence. she essentially destroyed not only our friendship, but friendships with the rest of our group, for very little reason.

Had I talked shit at any point, about anyone? No. Had I been messaging too frequently? not really, was the conversation fairly balanced? Yes. Did she make an effort to keep the conversation going? Yes. I really hadn't done that much to cause the mess that unfolded.

She had hurt me bad, by the end she had actually turned most of our shared friends against me, for reasons I still don't and will never understand, and although I was always willing to forgive, she had purposefully ignored me which made not depressed, but perplexed by how anyone could actually be this horrific. She had ignored me for months based on quote: "some old wives tale" when a simple conversation would have solved everything.

She had put her own emotions first, which was fine, she was going through some shitty times and I actually wanted her to focus on herself and get better, but she threw me in the dirt with zero closure or civility and painted me like a bad guy when I had been trying to help out, I even helped move her couch into her apartment among other things I had done because I wanted to be there, and be a nice guy. When I wanted to exchange apologies and seek closure, she pushed for harassment and tried to get my university involved! Which she almost succeeded in doing because she's a woman! She also once compared me to her ex-boyfriend that allegedly would abuse her, when I hadn't done so much as ever even thought about her sexually, and like always, I am a peaceful, non-aggressive, asexual, and pretty forgiving person.

This should speak magnitudes about her inability to deal with her own issues and her ability to manipulate the situation based on her gender, I have zero doubt she had told all of her close friends really terrible shit about me that she had embroidered, and that they believed unquestionably because she is a woman.

A couple of months passed and we weren't friends anymore obviously, mostly due to how she had acted and the horrible and confusingly hostile things she'd already done, the manipulation, the lies, the threats... I was always ready to talk things out and exchange apologies despite all of this. The only time she'd contact me was when she wanted to argue, or talk shit about her boyfriend or ask for advice or some crap, and like a beta I held back my emotions and tried to help her, like a good friend would, this would happen even after she had done these things, and I was always ready to listen and help out.

At one point, much later, she eventually contacted me to apologize for how she had acted, admitting all fault, and admitting that because of "her" actions we couldn't be friends because "she" had basically destroyed all chances of restoring "my name" that she had dragged through the dirt using her woman card. And at that point I was supposed to accept that apology, dumbfounded at her clear lack of conscience or regret, and then she started moaning about her boyfriend again.

I learned many lessons from that experience and other similar experiences during the same time frame, the major one being that women aren't worth being friends with and are actually detrimental to your life, the second that women are cruel and lack regret and introspection, and third that women really just are emotional and economical parasites and manipulators that use their gender to open doors for themselves and close doors for men they choose to dislike, most of the time without any good or logical reason at all.

2017-07-04T01:34:40+00:00

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MadPreacher1AD · 2017-08-26T17:12:40+00:00

Finding my wife and dad in the same bed doing the deed.

Lifeboatinthedark · 2017-09-14T23:44:11+00:00

Nothing shocks me. They exist to exploit your weaknesses and take your resources. That's just what they do. Your job as a man, if you choose to deal with them, is to keep them from doing that.

In modern society, that option is too risky and dangerous so I avoid them.

--Edog-- · 2017-10-16T01:51:47+00:00

Cold. Manipulative. Pragmatic realist (men are the hopeless romantics). The fact that a woman cannot actually love a man, she can only love the way a man makes her feel or what a man can provides for her - 70% of divorces are initiated by women. If a man is no longer a provider, or stops supplying her with good FEELZ it's over.

Mgtowpurge · 2017-10-23T00:59:30+00:00

How they go from sweet and innocent to cold as ice in a fraction of a second.

2017-10-24T17:46:18+00:00

That dating, girlfriends/relationships and marriage are actually NO different to prostitution. Prostitutes are honest about it and non-prostitutes are just whores in disguise or require a different currency. If a woman requires you to either be/do/say/earn something to just get access to her vagina then she's a prostitute. If it's a good enough for a man to give her free sex then it's good enough for her to do the same thing.

Go ahead an do the math...

2017-10-27T05:04:00+00:00

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2017-06-22T02:52:52+00:00

The pride, especially regarding their outright stupidity.

NordicTraveller · 2017-06-23T08:07:17+00:00

The ability to lie so convincingly, almost like they actually believe the lie.

2017-07-17T01:46:47+00:00

No bullshit. I walked into my managers office and a female co-worker was sucking his dick. This happened about an hour ago.

2017-07-17T19:56:05+00:00

The last women I loved woke me the fuck up.

The first woman I loved and had a kid with tried to ruin my life with shit you see on here and the MRA sub.

The last girl I loved, man, anyone person in the wotld who met her would say shes the sweetest girl in the world. Her dad has put her and her sister through university and is now putting their mother through uni when shes almost 50 years old. This guy has spent the last 10 years paying for 3 or 4 properties (one of them had two flats in uni, one for uni and one for near her placement). He makes a good wage, but he's in crippling debt because of this, he's almost at retirment age and is lending money of his daughters to make it through the month. Not one of this guys daughters bought him a present for his 60th birthday, one whos a professional who has a career in front of her, shoplifted presents for for all her family 3 weeks after her birthday as she spent all her money on drink and drugs.

I am from a shitty background, have been borught up around/slept with a lot of very low class shitty women. My own mother chose drugs over looking after her kids.

I paid for my mothers funeral and I've spent the last 6 months broke because of it, even though my sister took out a load to help pay for it and had lip fillers and shit.

What you have done for a woman doesn't mean jack shit.

It's what you can do for a woman and when you promise you'll do for her in the future.

How many women sleep with a married man and listen to him when he says hes gonna leave his wife and start a life with her?

How many men have fell out after 15 years because they don't give the other enough attention vs how many women leave men after spendning 1000's of hours and 100's of thousands of $/£/€ because they aren't getting enough.

There are massive differences between a mans love and a womans love but nobody wants to mention it. Things that men know and women know that they only tell to certain people like their best friends and men they don't deem worthy to fuck.

I'm a little drunk right now because I've got a day off tomorrow but I've got some OC planned.

People may say I'm bitter and I understand there are women who do amazing, thoughtful things for men. I've had more birthday cards of a woman I've worked with for 6 months than I have in the 5 years I've been in commited relationships.

Saturn1981 · 2017-08-25T20:54:30+00:00

Dude,

My older sister got her rich bf to buy her fake tits. Then, as soon as they healed, she fucking left him.

Several years later, she conned $100,000 out of an old man.

Pure evil. No remorse.

Moonboots606 · 2017-09-12T07:25:35+00:00

How disloyal they are. If it works for them at a specific time, they'll love it, love you, love whatever. But the moment a woman loses interest because they found something else that she benefits more from, that item or person, regardless of what it is or who they are, is valued as much as it was when she didn't know it existed. Example: a woman I know LOVED her dog- she "would be devastated if anything happened to her best friend". Dog died and within a week, her best friend of ten years was replaced with a puppy. I don't know about you, but I took almost eight years before I was able to replace my last canine best friend that died in my arms because I valued that relationship.

Maybe not the best example, but hopefully y'all get my point.

Dwight_080 · 2017-09-14T18:27:51+00:00

To me it was the total disloyalty. The fact they can have alternate motives and still act like they love you. The EXTREMELY manipulative nature, every time you don't do what they want they try and manipulate you into doing what they want. They are so self centred and despite telling you they want what's best for you too, that's total bullshit.

Women expect every man to do shit for her, and then go prancing around saying it's objectification, and then they cry saying nobody gives a shit about them like they were born a total reject.

The worst part is women are willing to do anything for a guy who isn't even loyal to them than being loyal to the one who is being loyal to them. They don't even fucking tell you. They tell their best friend who is in on it and go about it like some stupid fucking special ops mission.
Double worse, they won't EVEN END THE RELATIONSHIP until they are with someone else and pretty much spit on your pride and laugh at you.

I know all women don't act that way, but that's not called being a women, that's called self control. All women by nature act this way, and I'm sure every woman displays at least one of these traits.

I'm not dating until I am totally assured I'm strong enough to break out of any chains any girl binds me up with.

redchords · 2017-09-18T08:41:22+00:00

The number one thing that's shocked me about women is how much they value a man's height. There are other things that have surprised me, but overall, that's what caught me most off guard.

I get it: People like what they like, it is what it is. However, when I imagine discriminating against and even mistreating women for their genetically inherited, unchangable traits....when I picture myself absolutely shitting on a woman who is interested in me just because her breasts are small, for example, I feel disgusted. I feel that the ways women, really people period, choose to select their partners is ultimately a reflection of what they think about the opposite sex, themselves and ultimately life itself, but I digress.

Being 5'6" has offered me a perspective of women I simply cannot take for granted, no matter how much I wish to. Multiple times women have made me feel worthless, for no good reason, literally just because of my height. Women specifically, not men, not even our society, have made me feel so depressed about myself and life that I've seriously contemplated suicide when I was younger and more vulnerable. I hate to admit it, but women have scarred me so badly I constantly question if I am worthy of love - this coming from a guy with an amazing family, a great career, awesome friends, and a dedicated loving fiancé. Sometimes pain sticks to your ribs you know? It's hard to forget.

2017-09-29T07:00:51+00:00

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RISREAL2041 · 2017-10-14T06:40:23+00:00

They're all like the Anonymous group wearing the same "mask." Cookie cutter mentality. Hiding in plain sight with fake genuine smiles and actions, concealing ulterior motives. The type designed to use you or fuck you over in some way.

Jason_Bornagain · 2017-10-21T15:54:11+00:00

How fickle, fleeting and straight up pseudo the alleged "love" that women offer to men actually is. What society calls "love" toward man from woman is actually little more than conditional role casting, and the role itself is one that no man can play.

Even during the courtship phase, a man is expected to walk a tightrope and follow a myriad social cues to keep a woman's attention on him and feed her delusions of "romance" and "Prince Charming", all while society tells him that having her attention in the first place is some sort of privilege and favor to him. Meanwhile, all a woman has to do is some basic, bare minimum shit like cook, clean and have sex with a man and she's deemed a "keeper" and him a fool if he's not interested in making her a life partner. He's coerced into giving up his autonomy, and, if he refuses, he's branded a "loser", a "user", an "abuser", basically whatever label said woman feels he should wear. It's from this praxis that all relationships between men and women are formed, one that ultimately positions a man as responsible for a woman's happiness.

By contrast, a man can labor for years and contribute to a woman's life in ways that cannot be quantified and still end up branded "lacking" and discarded.

According to social narrative, women are the virtuous holders of love in its purest form and men are unable to appreciate and realize it and "act right" enough to accept it. It's hogwash propaganda.

The truth is, the romanticizing of women is one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity.

2017-10-24T23:41:23+00:00

Nothing shocks me about women. To be honest, I am a misanthrope, I think most people are stupid, boring, conformist, lazy and deserve to die. Women are just the stupidest, most boring, most conformist, laziest and most gas-chamber worthy half.

Zombocom1911 · 2017-06-21T16:00:05+00:00

How timid they are, because I believed their bullshit about being equals (even though they don't even believe it)

Asbestasio · 2017-06-21T23:42:14+00:00

how they are utterly incapable of having any form of responsibility. children, all of them.

iongnil · 2017-06-28T19:42:52+00:00

Not women in general but a few women. They absolutely astounded me by the huge lies they told and stuck to even when caught out. It's just amazing some of the lies I've been told by women and the worst lies from women I was in a relationship with and supposedly they cared about me. I've never known anyone as mendacious as some women I've met. They clearly had no sense of guilt or conscience at all. When I realised how profound the lies were it appalled me and I've never been the same since. My world view changed and I realised that there are a lot of very unpleasant people around and that there is no such thing as karma, these awful women continue to have a fantastic time at everyone else's expense, figuratively and literally.

pratseek · 2017-06-28T20:22:04+00:00

that they want to tame their man but once the man is tamed, they don't want that man..

https://wayofwomen.wordpress.com/

em0t3p · 2017-07-13T04:48:53+00:00

The complete lack of conviction. They truly have no strong beliefs in anything. They will alter their entire personality overnight to match whatever guy they are trying to trap that week.

10art1 · 2017-08-22T00:27:56+00:00

Tbh when I read about what it means to be a MGTOW I thought I might fit in. Because like, in high school I used to chase women, think it's all I want in life, then later had an epiphany that I really don't need them, if they want to be my friend then fine but I won't chase them or try to force it. I focused instead on myself and my friends, and I thought that's what being a MGTOW was all about. I don't mean to sound like a concern troll, but why do you guys talk about women so much, especially so bitterly, instead of talking about the friendships you share and how you have progressed down your own paths to self-actualization?

c4engineer · 2017-08-23T15:19:27+00:00

Why do women wear makeup and perfume?

.....because they're ugly and they stink.

washingtonpanther · 2017-08-30T06:14:46+00:00

The utter, abject lack of compassion.

09182017 · 2017-09-19T05:57:17+00:00

-The ability to frown on other gold diggers but able to do something similar themselves and justify it, and even convince you that they're different and it's ok.

-distorted realities, so they can justify their absurd irrational behavior at a drop of a dime.

-be mad at you for their own stupidity.

-make you feel appreciated by them at the start, then totally worthless as a whole, so that you're afraid to leave them, because you've no more self confidence whatsoever

-double standards like they invented the bloody thing. If a man has a friend who is a female, she will act as if it's the end of the world. Though she is able to justify her own behavior or flirting, dancing, who knows what else with another single man.

2017-10-06T02:05:20+00:00

They don't have a set of morals. Their morals are completely reliant on what the establishment media, Hollywood, and their close friend circles preach. I wholeheartedly think that if they murdered a kitten, they could justify it in their own minds if the media gave them the slightest hint that it was okay. They could act completely natural and could even convince themselves that the kitten was the oppressor and had it coming.

This sort of morality can be seen at all age groups in all cultures. It's why they always use appeal to popularity (or what they see as popular) as the end all argument.

2017-10-16T22:40:31+00:00

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2017-10-18T14:42:03+00:00

Thank god men waking up

2017-06-26T13:56:54+00:00

I wouldn't say shocked, but the sheer lack of variety amongst women. There are countless different types of men, but literally 5-6 archetypes of women which 99% of women fit. The THOT, the feminist, the sheep, the 'rebellious', the damaged and the bitter.

Also a reminder that there is no woman Bowie or Prince.

It's like with me. I don't fit into any particular demographic.

Pk_s_to_the_yizzle · 2017-07-10T21:54:18+00:00

All Their Vaginas ARE Different. AND YOU SHOULD TALK ABOUT THEM LIKE WOMEN TALK ABOUT MEN'S DICKS. OUT IN THE OPEN.

This is THE MOST UNSPOKEN, UNWRITTEN, TABOO< NON-TALKED ABOUT, VOODOO +++ THING

Men only talk about a wide - loose pussy,

But Why do men GO GRAZY over under 20 women with no kids? FUCK ONE AND FIND OUT.

But after 20 or 1 Kid, its Like and addict Trying to find your first high again WITH WATER DOWN DRUGS.

But PUSSIES, THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT, LIKE DICKS and if it wasn't for men being sex starved, you'd realize alot of them SUCK.

Contrary to their owner's CONSTANT advertisements

Different lengths, different widths, different Elasticity, Smelly,

DIFFERENT TEXTURE

Different shapes and different Wetness.

THIS IS AN UNTAPPED MARKET OF PUTTIN WOMEN IN MEN's SHOES, when it comes to making fun of their,

Short, soggy left wall, dry GAMEY vaginas

MY FAVORITE way to describe a BAD VAGINA is TERRIBLE and GAMEY.

alexander_domaldagez · 2017-07-15T22:46:27+00:00

Mast majority of the conversations are about them! It is not important when you need support or their opinion, the conversations are all about them; if it is not, they try to convert the direction of the conversation to them.
They are always right (or the topic is a dilemma from their perspective)!
They have the right to question you about anything they want and when a men asks a little personal question 'it is personal' or 'is it right to question her about everything?'
There is no peer pressure against men, they are always belong the oppressed class
They unfortunately don't give a shot about your life, if a men seeks the gain/loss in the relationship with that particular woman 'love should be enough to bear all the shit they bring in his life' but they are always analyzing and choosing the most profittable way/person. -(in my country we have student credits and every individual shall pay it back after the graduation) They are expecting men to pay their loan and it is natural!!!
(in my country we have mandatory military duty for men -not for women- and we are fighting with terrorism for nearly 35 years -men are in the danger of dying in a conflict-) They say they also want to serve our country to fight with terrorism, but when i offer them to enlist to military as a private, they say it is men job! (WTF?)

So, men doesn' have the right to question anything but obey what they say!

2017-07-18T14:46:16+00:00

Women's friends try to sabotage each other. I've witnessed this so many times. They will give each other shitty advise in hopes that it will bring the others problems, just so they can feel better than another person in their circle. Viscous pieces of shit most of them are.

E46M54 · 2017-07-22T14:26:49+00:00

A girl I dated mocked and ridiculed me for staying home and relaxing after a long day of work. In her mind, she was superior to be "out and about", which must be easy to do when she still lived with her parents and dropped out of college to make minimum wage working in a toy store.

TheocFetoh · 2017-08-06T19:33:55+00:00

The loss leader attempt to get the move in to happen.

Sexy time, all the time, whatever position you want.

Well shit, yo... this ain't gon change... let's move in!

Then the nagging starts... and the sexy time decreases

uniboner · 2017-08-15T19:21:54+00:00

How they are willing to kill a beloved animal just to try and hurt you. This behavior is far more common than you want to believe.

Vergil387 · 2017-08-28T01:41:34+00:00

I agree with you all the way on the merciless, shallow and weak part!

but if I have to say something that really shocks me the most about them is their HYPOCRISY. I mean yea they are humans too and it doesnt take rocket science to figure out that none of us are perfect but wow at least be honest to yourself and admit your own flaws.

its like WTF!? women would do anything to hide their true selves and would say any bullshit that comes to their mind just to avoid judgment and criticism. such as saying that when it comes to dating they care more about "personality over looks" when its clear that looks its all that matters to them along with money and status.

seriously I pity any loser out there who still possess a blue pill mentality. its like come on we are in the year 2017 almost going to 2018, how is it possible that men are still blind enough to fall for all their bullshit?

Dioworldo87 · 2017-09-01T05:32:18+00:00

They will do and say anything to avoid consequences. They will let a man be socially ostracized, hurt or killed to not face their own actions

SUEDE2BLACK · 2017-09-03T17:52:03+00:00

That women don't even know what they want.Men want an attractive woman the sucks and fcks on a regular bases that's loyal and can cook a decent meal.Women want Jesus and Zeus and a bunch of impractical BS.

rtk42 · 2017-09-24T07:41:03+00:00

I was shocked when I realised that women are fully aware that they hold the power in modern society and are well aware that they have the ability to control and prosper from men.

The pussification of men has created a power vacuum that women have consumed. Men need to ironically, learn to treat women equally. And by that I mean no special treatment. No tolerance for manipulation. Women should pay equally. No more free rides for women because they have a pussy and men want it.

The reality is that for every strong man that strives for equality and mutual respect, that hard work will be undone by the plethora of horny men out there that are willing to trade heir time and money for sex.

potlizard · 2017-09-25T14:27:29+00:00

How even the women I thought were some of the "good ones" could be be so fickle and hot-and-cold with the decent guys that have/are dating, but can't spread their legs fast enough for tatted-up, unemployed, criminal sociopaths with shitty attitudes and prison records. Guys that any dude could spot a mile away as being pure loser. I understand the whole "Chad" thing where the guy is a jackass, but is a physical Adonis. This is different. They inevitably end up hurt and crying (possibly even physically abused) by guys that EVERYONE tells them are no fucking good....but they are ALWAYS the victim, and ALL men are therefore shit.

2017-09-28T22:54:51+00:00

How flakey and fickle they are, their word means nothing.

2017-10-04T19:58:40+00:00

That we have to be everything , all the time for them. We must have six pack abs, lots of money and nothing but time to lavish on them . How we are supposed to maintain a model body while making these magical millions is beyond me?! The biggest shock is that despite my lame attempts to love and respect women as delicate flowers, I learned the hard way they will eat your heart out. The will have random sex with every " bad guy " jerk in town till they hit the wall in their late twenties or maybe thirty. Then suddenly they become virgins that complain the " can't find good guys". I was a stupid good guy and they never wanted me then. Now I am older they want all the things I worked hard for. They think they can be sluts and then have the nice guy after life of random slut sex for decades with bad guys they claim they did not like, but in reality they LOVED them . They never have sex with the nice guys they lie about wanting. sick....

Long_Range_Shooter · 2017-10-10T19:58:03+00:00

Fat women that don't think they're over weight. We're talking 100 plus pounds over weight and according to them, they're not fat.

Zefirez · 2017-06-21T20:31:49+00:00

My female buddy goes on to brag how proud she is about her fiancee:

"We were partying this weekend, and when he had a few beers i told him to stop, he stopped! He even didn't start any fights or yelled his head off! I'm so proud of him!"

Yup, real achievement right there, that guy achieved the impossible. Needless to say he makes the money ;]

Gotta love female respect for higher values and high standards ;]

2017-06-27T08:42:01+00:00

How much their parents and teachers have hammered entitlement into them.

It's always been "my little princess" or "teachers little helper" that caused so many issues between men and women. It causes females to develop entitlement complexes and feel like everything and everyone is a material validation.

2017-06-27T14:50:06+00:00

The psychopathic lack of empathy towards men.

And just how fucking stupid and immature they really are.

UncleNipples · 2017-06-27T15:15:13+00:00

I need some serious help. I've never been in MGTOW and I only heard about it a couple of days ago.

I'm 22 and have been living with my girlfriend for over a year now. Red flags are popping up left and right. She is only 20 so we are very young but took the "leap". I have been struggling with a chronic auto immune disorder which causes me to flare and have attacks of Vomiting, dizziness, cluster migraines and extreme pain. i've even passed out in front of my gf. This causes me to miss work a lot but thankfully I work with my grandpa who fully understands my condition. My girlfriend however does not.

While I don't get money at a steady pace because of my illness I still refuse to go on disability or welfare because I want to work for my money. I feel like I'm not disabled just something I have to work through. I see spending money as no problem, I like buying things and I like buying things for my gf.

Here's where it gets sketchy, plenty of times I've had my gf come to me complaining she doesn't have money and she doesn't know if she can get rent etc. I have paid full rent and utilities probably 5 months of our almost full year lease. I just paid this months full rent as well and she works more than me because she is fine health wise but seemingly always has an attitude if I ask for help.

She gets mad at me all the time saying I don't love her and I am not attracted to her, for no damn reason. If that was the case why the fuck would I pay all this money I sparingly get on days I'm blessed not to feel like I want to die. I constantly buy her things and she doesn't in return. I've never asked her to pay me back for those months but every time I ask for help she always wants me to pay her back. What is stupid is the fact that I don't care about money its not about the money for me. I genuinely love her and am conflicted.

Really on the fence about just booking it and going my own way.

11101000 · 2017-08-05T09:24:58+00:00

Nothing. To me it's basic human nature.

Think about it. If the rules were "no excuse to hit men", and all the rules were changed to make YOUR life easier, and everybody validated your thoughts/feelings and supported your ideas... how would that shift your attitude? Be honest now. You would be a right cunt to.

Not saying it's right. Not making excuses for them. Just my perspective. Women are children and in today's society they are spoilt children. Don't validate them in any way, including anger or hate.

2017-08-27T01:46:09+00:00

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HoxHound · 2017-09-23T22:39:25+00:00

What shocked me was their love for the material things. I've been shocked at the things women would do and the lengths they would go for money.

I know many middle-class women who are sugar babies to men 40 years their senior just because they want money to buy the latest shoes/bags/iPhones. I don't know any guy in such a situation.

It's mind-boggling how they are attracted to money. Anytime I get asked, "What do you do?" I experiment with different answers and it's comical how they perk up when I mention a high-paying job.

2017-10-04T11:32:38+00:00

How the girl went from topless in your bed, discussing your future [ie, the two of you]; to missing the Christmas day visit she proposed a week later, disappear for months, and turns out she got back with her boyfriend.

Like, what?! Why say what you said in the first place then!?

2017-10-17T06:27:10+00:00

Late to the party but:

I have been physically assaulted by all of my romantic partners.

I had one complain that I should have hit THEM to control their behaviour or their mouths after an outburst of physical anger and verbal abuse.

No thanks. I can control my behaviour.

"NAWALT"

IDGAF I am dom diggity dimsdale done

Highly_Literal · 2017-06-22T23:51:23+00:00

They appear to understand obligation, as much as they choose not to follow it I really do believe they understand the concept.

But I do not believe they, inherently, understand honor, justice, or duty. This seems to be a uniquely masculine ideal

Title	What shocked you most about women?
Author	Fearless_Ser
Upvotes	1882
Comments	482
Date	June 21, 2017 1:27 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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