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False Rape Accusations Advice Megathread

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We recently had a post about a false rape accusation that was taken down. If you are falsely accused of rape, DO NOT POST ABOUT IT ONLINE. Contact a lawyer immediately. This is for your own protection.

You will only do yourself a disservice by talking about it online. Keep your mouth shut and get legal counsel.

God forbid anybody find an errant detail in your online postings, you will fuck yourself over so hard it's not even funny.

After it's safely in your rearview mirror, you can post about your experience and even discuss what to do in that situation- but not until then.

The topic is important. But don't post about your own active case, we will have to take it down.

This megathread is about how to avoid false rape accusations, and what to do if somebody falsely accuses you of rape.


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Title False Rape Accusations Advice Megathread
Author redpillschool
Upvotes 621
Comments 178
Date 06 July 2020 02:55 PM UTC (2 months ago)
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[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist218 points219 points  (23 children) | Copy

There's a proclivity to focus on how to prevent such a thing, and there's ample writing about this.

But the truth of the matter, is the vast majority of these issues are mostly related to one point.

DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE

The vast majority of false rape cases involve men talking to the police and establishing a lot of legal reasons why you could be a rapist, and that's what a court decides.

Your goal, of course, is to never see a court room. And to do that, there needs to be little to no basis for such accusation.

What the court system uses to decide this, is something called a grand jury (or a judge themselves). They look at available evidence and decide whether or not they would reasonably be able to get a conviction or if a crime had been committed.

When you say "yeah but both of us were drunk" you've already committed a crime. So you skip right to trial, more or less.

When you practice the art of shut the fuck up, it becomes the onus of the prosecutor, police and court to prove you committed to a crime.

One persons accusation alone is not sufficient for a conviction, no matter what fear mongering you read online.

It's just that most people who get bagged on this stuff don't let the jury have a reasonable doubt.

Two people in honest communication with each other in hindsight isn't going to paint the picture her emotions paint.

There is a good reason why schools try to use their own kangaroo courts rather than a court of law. The vast majority of cases would never even reach a court room.

That's because most guys are smart enough to keep their mouth shut, guilty or innocent.

The mistake made here, sadly enough is most of the guys on here bellyaching about this have no intent of ever being a bad guy. But they'd be the first one to paint themselves in a corner by opening their mouth and trying to explain they're a good guy and not realizing that isn't the police officer's job to determine.

[–]thetarget3100 points101 points  (6 children) | Copy

If anyone is still in doubt of why not to talk to the police, watch this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

It is very interesting, and both speakers are great. I really do recommend spending 45 min of your time on it, it is well worth it. It really changed my perspective: Talking to the police, no matter what you say and what the circumstances, is a bad idea. Talk to a lawyer.

[–]uwey45 points46 points  (4 children) | Copy

Police is not here for you. Police exist so poor can’t fuck with rich.

If you are rich and have means to hire guards, dogs, and have fence for your property, police is useless to you.

If you are middle class or lower, police is there to fuck you in one shit you slip, a DUI, a false rape, a unpaid tickets, and all that is to keep you in suspense that you could lose everything, for just legal along.

Hire lawyer is vital because you need a lawyer to get even, or you are guaranteed lose.

[–]odaklanan_insan20 points21 points  (3 children) | Copy

I had a 2005 honda accord which looked like the trash car it is. Once I was driving back from work and a cop stopped me for improper lane change. Then gave me a lot of shit and a couple tickets.

A year later when I had a much better job, I was stopped for driving wrong way, which is unarguably a much worse violation. But this time I was clean shaved, wearing a nice suit and driving a brand new shiny car. The cop stopped me, looked at my driver's licence and let me go even without a warning. He even described how I could go to the hotel I was trying to find with a kind tone.

Protecting the rich vibes hit me the first time for real that night. Fucking unreal...

[–]vwowv2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

I once spent 8 months fixing up a trashed house. I just said fuck it. I was walking around in paint splattered cargo shorts, and plastic sandals, and $3 t-shirts. Might as well, There was always a drop of oil or a chemical or paint fucking up my cloths. Didn't worry about haircuts much.

I could not believe how shitty people treated me on all levels when I dressed that way. Fast food places would put my 'for here' orders in a togo bag more than half the time. If I was waiting to talk to someone, somehow two newcomers would be called before me. ignored when making small talk. I made it a point to keep doing it to become absolutely clear how much it matters. It was universal. It amazed my how 'across the board' it was.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

Well not surprising. Your form is the only thing others can directly relate to right from the start so it determines the frame of the interaction. Contrary to what anyone says, it will tell more about you than anything else coming from your mouth.

It's only much later that others can garner enough info about you to build a more complete picture of who you are.

You might have this feeling that you're still the same you despite the appearance changes, but that's only true to you from the inside. It is anything but the same from the outside.

So your mum or dad or best friend might not bother that if you show up like that because they already know fully well who you are, but I'll tell you, if you massively improve your sense of style, or show up with lean muscle where you were once skinny fat or obese, even they'll be shocked by the new look.

It is that powerful.

[–]jhatch8668 points69 points  (11 children) | Copy

Am cop. Can confirm, I wouldn't talk to us. I'm a firm believer in exercising all your rights. No search without search warrant, no talking without lawyer. And my advice for people when talked to by the police is to state, "I want to exercise my right to remain silent." In my state that prevents any further communication because any comment we solicit from you is a violation of your expressed desire to remain silent.

Part of the issue is that a lot of cops think they're goal is to determine guilt versus being an actual fact finder.

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist14 points15 points  (10 children) | Copy

What the fuck is anyone supposed to do when a mob surrounds your car these days? That's the Q I have.

[–]Ikar1132 points33 points  (1 child) | Copy

And also everything you said can be used against you, if you post about it in every social media then judge will see it as you trying to influence their decision, and if her lawyer is good then he will dissect your every public statement to win the case .

[–]Endorsed Contributorsadomasochrist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting fact. Discussions with the police can not be used in your favor. They are considered "hearsay."

[–]i-am-the-prize13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy

DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE

https://www.amazon.com/You-Police-Boston-T-Party/dp/1888766093

required reading IMO

[–]FinallyRed4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Some lines that could save your ass one day and the only things you should ever say to police officers beyond pleasantry:

"Am I under arrest or am I free to go?"

"I do not consent to any searches."

"I can't speak without my lawyer present."

"What is your badge number?"

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 168 points169 points  (37 children) | Copy

Unfortunately, drunk hookups have become a legal minefield. Yes, they're the most common type of hookup, but if you want to avoid risk, cut drunk hookups out of the equation.

Also, if at all possible avoid BPD chicks.

[–]Pycnostyle138 points139 points  (19 children) | Copy

I've never understood the "if you're drunk, you can't give consent" concept. If you get drunk and drive, you're 100% responsible for your decisions, but if you get drunk and fuck, you're somehow 0% responsible for your decisions?

I mean, drunk people either can or can't legally make decisions. Which is it?

[–]poopiehands9359 points60 points  (4 children) | Copy

Even better, if you don't use a condom it can be considered rape because she wanted to use a condom, whether she decided that later or not or did not make it verbally known. But if you accidentally cum in her or she forces you to do it, then you're responsible for child support. If you're drunk or get raped, you're responsible for child support. If you donate semen, you're responsible for child support.

So essentially, guys have to be responsible and face the consequences no matter what.

[–]samsmith6729 points30 points  (3 children) | Copy

Yeah that's BS. I once while doing the deed with a russian fling had to really push back hard to pull out when she on purpose locked her legs around me tightly in an attempt to have me cum inside her.

Luckly i sensed what she was up to mid thrust and pushed back hard enough to get loose and out before i busted my nut.

She was new to the country at the time so i guess she wanted to get preggers so she can stay in the country.

Fuck did i dodge a bullet.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that59 points60 points  (1 child) | Copy

This I why I stick to anal sex. She can't get pregnant from it. Although my ass is getting really sore.

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The Black Widow trap

[–]tchower23 points24 points  (5 children) | Copy

The idea that woman cannot be responsible for their decisions is a Victorian idea rooted in misogyny, that men are their caretakers and are responsible for them because woman are similar to children, which would make #metoo woman misogynists if they do not believe they should be held to the same level of responsibility and accountability for any of their actions. Since they've assumed their own inferiority with making decisions which would mean men and woman cannot be equal in a court of law! 🤣

Funny how gynocentrism is not only sexist against men, but also sexist against it’s self since it assumes woman cannot be held accountable for their own actions in the way men are accountable for their own actions.

[–]Raccoon_from_heaven8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Feminists don't care if women are treated like children if being treated like children benifits women. Exactly like they want equality only wen they think it benifits women. And want inequality (against men and in favour of women, such as laws) as well wen they think it benifits women.

[–]tchower2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy

Which is why I pointed that out. If it’s a man’s fault and woman are not responsible for their actions but are allowed full authority, what that means is woman are treated as having a psychological disability, so the obligation of responsibility is on the man, which would mean the genders are not and cannot be equal in a court of law even under gynocentrism when in practice, and woman are in need of special privileges. So even in practice of equality, gynocentrism does not treat men and woman as equals. So gynocentrism in practice discriminates against woman positively in terms of forgiving responsibility, while men are discriminated against negatively in a court of law, though both are forms of discrimination, which is still sexism.

[–]Raccoon_from_heaven4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Agreed. These feminists don't care being treated like children but if you tell them they (women) are children for behaving like children they'll get offended. They'll get offended if u call them children even though they want to be treated like children. Why because it hurts their feelings and ego if u call them children. They want the rights of an adult and the irresponsibilities of a child. So that they can benifits from both sides - having rights and authority and not having to be held accountable. And these stupid male feminists / liberals think feminists are "good people".

[–]tchower2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Right, and the gynocentrism and discrimination against men at Universities these days is a problem which puts woman first and a lot of the University professors are leftist or white knights. Also the students sometimes will just sheepishly follow and repeat these media slogans. One of my professors at the business school actually believes that the New York Times is a reputable news source with the most valid media coverage and information saying this is where we should get our information. It’s very clear their agenda is leftist, and they love encouraging the students to complain about Covid-19 and all the world’s problems. So glad we have this Red Pill community to wake us up and to remain in touch with our masculinity as a tribe!

[–]acoltismypassport0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Victorian? I think not. That was the de facto stance on intergender relations until the 1950s - even later depending on when first wave feminism hit your part of the world. Thousands of years we had relations down pat, and only in the last half century or so has shit gotten nuclear.

[–]tyrryt18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

No, only the man is responsible, for the crime of rape, while drunk. The woman is excused from responsibility, because she is drunk.

Both sexes are equal before the law, unless equality would result in an unfavorable outcome for a woman, in which case the law reverts to 17th century chivalry rules.

[–]AnotherGreatOpinion0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

The point is that usually driving is a one man job (so it’s obvious who’s responsible in case of drunk driving), whereas it takes 2 people to have sex. If one of them is intoxicated it becomes dubious how strongly the other may have persuaded them to the act, since drunk people are... well... gullible.

[–]Pycnostyle0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Gullible, but responsible. If I misjudge my ability to drive safely due to being stupid drunk, whatever happens is my responsibility. So why is some chick somehow not responsible for misjudging what sex she wanted to have? Dudes aren't mind-readers.

[–]AnotherGreatOpinion0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

It’s a communication problem. You can’t say “I was forced to drive” if you were the only person present. You can say “I didn’t really gave consent” if you were asked when you didn’t understand a thing. There is a point in drinking where dialogue and expression of consent become difficult (e.g. if your partner starts acting like your tattoos are wine stains and tries to delete them - true story, although borrowed).

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[–]MajinD0pe1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

What does the "D" in "BPD" mean? Serious Question

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[–]gusta_cl5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yes, and because they have a extreme fear of abandonement, they will please you extremely well on the bed, but also it can and it will manifest in extreme jealousy, emotional blackmail and threats of different types. That can include threats of suicide.

[–]BasedAndRedPilled_37 points38 points  (4 children) | Copy

That’s stupid to me, it’s you’re fault if you get drunk and hookup, why should the government get involved? They have more important things to deal with like finding your local human trafficker.

[–]beginner_18 points19 points  (3 children) | Copy

True but the reality now is different and ignoring it will possibly make you end up in prison.

[–]custoscustodis9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy

And/or on the Sex Offender Registry for life, which is worse than a prison sentence for assault, arson, bank robbery, etc.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Might actually be a good idea to put your sexual orientation on social media as "gay" now.

Legit.

"Your honor, it would be impossible for me to rape her. I'm gay."

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Lol. You have a better chance by claiming erectile dysfunction instead.

[–]Phantom0994 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy

How do u see if they have bpd

[–]chomponthebit42 points43 points  (1 child) | Copy

  • LONG history of impulsiveness, poor foresight, bad decisions, unpaid bills, massive debts; Short, side-shaved, and/or brightly-coloured hair;
  • Tattoos and/or body piercings;
  • Evidence of cutting or self-harm like scars on legs and arms;
  • Everything is parents’/ex-boyfriends’/society’s fault;
  • Substance abuse

[–]tyrryt7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her relationship with her parents, particularly her father.

[–]TheUnbannable20 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Septum piercing, describes herself as a "witch", colored hair

[–]HisRoyalAwesomeness1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

This. All of it.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is it immediately apparent that a chick is BPD if you know the signs or do they have to tell you? I’d wager that at least half of women have one sort of mental illness or the other.

[–]RStonePT0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I wonder if anyone has actually done the math to see how much of it is an increase in the current environment, and how much of it is the cooling effect Dalrock talks about in 'threatpoint'

[–]BasedAndRedPilled_281 points282 points  (39 children) | Copy

Rape laws in this country are ridiculous, if two people get drunk and fuck it’s rape. If one person gets drunk/high it’s rape. If she doesn’t say “yes” on every thrust it’s rape. If she regrets it the morning after it’s rape.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for hanging actual rapists like Ted Bundy from a tree, but you’re responsible for your actions. If you get drunk it’s your fault. It should only count as rape if one of the parties says “no” unequivocally or force is used.

Making rape allegations in public should be illegal, and the only time you can say “person x is a rapist” is after a conviction in court.

[–]BadMoles115 points116 points  (11 children) | Copy

In the UK, if a drunk man has sex with a drunk woman - even if she consents - it's rape. The judicial system takes the view that she is incapable of consent to sexual intercourse and its therefore by default rape.

The same woman, in the same state of drunkenness, if she got behind the wheel of a car and drove drunk would have the book thrown at her.

So we actually have a state where a woman can be too drunk to handle her natural impulses, but not too drunk to go to jail for operating heavy machinery.

Go figure.

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 57 points58 points  (10 children) | Copy

What if two drunk women have lesbian sex?

[–]chomponthebit137 points138 points  (1 child) | Copy

Which one is operating the heavy machinery?

[–]mp1118 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

They take turns

[–]becomeabetterman9443 points44 points  (3 children) | Copy

In the UK only woman can be raped and only a man can rape her. No this isn't some clever dig at sjws here. It's codified law according to the Sexual Offences Act 2003

[–]odaklanan_insan10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

In the US a woman regreting sex is a horrible form of rape and violation of human rights, while men chosing between death or rape in prisons are just "prison aint supposed to be a fun place"..

[–]acoltismypassport1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I remember seeing the excerpt on that. Didn't it define rape as 'being penetrated'? As in, only a man could do it. Being penetrated with an object would make it sexual assault.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It’s sort of like a duel then. Whoever draws first wins.

[–]DextroShade0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They arrest the nearest man.

[–]BadMoles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

They would be fine. It's men who hold the culpability.

[–]mydogfartzwithz18 points19 points  (4 children) | Copy

Shit. Ive had a few girls who were completely sober saying no and laughing with every thrust. When asked if they want me to stop shes giggling and says no keep going. Fuck this shit

[–]MerryVegetableGarden7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

I’d have stopped anyways. You don’t play around with this shit considering the penalties.

[–]mydogfartzwithz4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

I mean honestly you’re probably right. But a tiger can’t change its stripes..

[–]CHAD_J_THUNDERCOCK1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

You should stop, then agree to a 'safe word' like pineapple and record that agreement with your phone discretely.

[–]JameisBong4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's a fucking land mine. The government expects to legislate sex. Like she could literally consent to the first three thrusts, as soon as you build up to come she yells stop. If you finish, congratulations you are now a violent rapist who needs to be in prison.

[–]huey76412 points13 points  (16 children) | Copy

Tell me about. Here in California, if I had sex with a girl 12 months younger than me, it's statutory rape. Wtf?

[–]drakehfh15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy

In case she's younger than 18 years old?

[–]ScarletWhiteEmerald6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy

I recommend you modify your age in the post. With cancel culture working its way around the world, you're best off minimizing/distorting the information about you out there when it can link you to content that runs against the popular narrative. A quick look at your post history gives a lot of info about you, giving a close approximation for your age can only help the "woke" narrow down who you are if they want to dox you. Add/subtract a few months from the number you've given to give yourself plausible deniability.

[–]huey7642 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the heads up, will do.

[–]BasedAndRedPilled_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

How old are you?

[–]Endorsed ContributorWoujo92 points93 points  (5 children) | Copy

Source: I am a lawyer, but not a rape/criminal lawyer. I can give you this advice anyway:

Before the accusation

Documentation In legal disputes, the only thing the court can go on is the documentation. If you have better documentation than her, you win. Rape is such a controversial and divisive topic because most people don't document their sexual encounters so it is literally impossible to figure out what happened behind closed doors. Unless you want to secretly record the woman in your room (which can open a whole other can of worms if you get caught), your best documentation is the texts between you and her. I always recommend getting some kind of positive texts on the record after the encounter. It is a hard time to argue you got raped if you texted the guy "hey I had a great time last night" the morning after.

The Story. Humans think in stories, so the best way to convince her AND the court that the sex was consensual you need to build a good story. For example, if the story is "a guy met a drunk girl, brought her back to his apartment, fucked her, and put her in a cab" that story SOUNDS a lot more like rape than "Guy and a girl go on a date, they have a romantic dinner, they go back to his place, wake up in the morning, and go to brunch."

Pre-Screen Don't fuck girls that seem like they would falsely accuse you of rape. Obviously, there is no way to know for sure if she will do that kind of thing, but if she is emotionally unstable, seems to have a history of this kind of thing, seems to be vindictive towards men, or reluctant about having sex with you, cut her loose.

Leave her on good terms. A lot of women make false rape accusations because they "regret" having sex, and women often "regret" having sex because the guy did something to make them feel shitty. Even if you think you are having a one-night stands, you need to make women feel like there might be some kind of future with you. "I fucked her and kicked her out" sounds great in a rap song, but in real life you don't want the woman to leave with a bitter heart.

After the accusation:

Get a good lawyer. Yes, good lawyers are expensive, but it is worth it. Just do it. Tons of people have had their lives ruined because they didn't get a lawyer. Rape is a very serious accusation so at the first hint that there might be a rape accusation coming you need to get a lawyer. If you get a lawyer before she does you can often scare her into not pursuing it. People are afraid of lawyers.

Don't talk to the police without a lawyer. Ever. The police are not your friend. A lot of people think that they can just "clear things up" by talking to the police but then something they say is used against them. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Work it out with her For most legal disputes, the solution is to just work it out. If you can "resolve" the issue with her, that is your best bet (do this all on advice of your attorney). The main thing that motivates people in legal disputes is personal anger and their desire to ruin the other person's life, so if you can somehow "settle" things and leave everybody feeling good, that is your best bet, even if the settlement is not technically fair to you.

Fight. If people are trying to violate your rights, you must fight. Most people operate in legal disputes out of fear, so when a woman makes a rape accusation everybody gets into CYA mode and starts bowing down to her so they don't get in trouble. You (and your lawyer) must fight and make it seem like the consequences of depriving your rights is worse than whatever consequences come from her. For example, if your school wants to suspend you or release your name, you need to put so much pressure on them that they decide to reverse their decision.

Don't Make Any Public Statements People get really self-righteous when it comes to rape, even if there is no evidence, so arguing with them is not going to turn out well for you. Just go silent. They can talk to your lawyer.

[–]Neutral_User_Name47 points48 points  (0 children) | Copy

Work it out with her

"A Bad settlement is always better than a good trial"

ALL lawyers, ever.

[–]Rene-Girard6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Not a lawyer, but I have read many rape sentences from different courts in my job. There are a couple flaws in your advice for people in different jurisdictions.

First: Working it out with the accuser spells a lot of danger in many jurisdictions, where the prosecutor can be more or less obliged to make a case, even if the victim is pressing no charges. Worse - I have seen court cases where it was taken as evidence that the woman wasn't making a false accusation, since she wasn't pressing any charges.

Second: Leaving on good terms - this can be used against you. I have seen cases where men have been sentenced since they were trying to comfort the woman afterwards it meant they knew they'd done something wrong. If you haven't done anything wrong, why wouldn't she leave happy by herself?

The rest of your advice is sound. Again, all of it is probably correct for your jurisdiction, but there are people from everywhere in the world reading here.

[–]BriefcaseHead23 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Is the morning after text really that valid? I always used to save and backup all of mine from my first years of hooking up but then I thought would a screenshot of a message really do anything? Like that can be edited so easily, would the court/jury/whatever even consider it?

[–]ToraChan231 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thank you for this post 💯

[–]ToraChan2323 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy

  • Don’t have sex with drunk/under the influence women. Even ones that you know.

  • Don’t bother with women who don’t have anything to lose, both professionally and socially.

  • Never hookup with randoms at your place. They can fuck your shit up if things go left, and return anytime they want to cause trouble. Also, you don’t have to deal with them sleeping over and refusing to leave

  • Have a random comment on your hookup or check in with them after the fact to show that it was consensual and wanted. Example: a text from her saying how good the sex was or setting up another meeting at a later date

[–]samsmith6710 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy

"Never hookup with randoms at your place. They can fuck your shit up if things go left, and return anytime they want to cause trouble. Also, you don’t have to deal with them sleeping over and refusing to leave"

Don't know about that one. It can also be dangerous to go to her place cause you don't know who may pop out from some somewhere (A closet or another room) while you're there.

A girl once let me walk her home to her place and when we got there (After 4am) she woke up her male roommate and the dude decided to cock block me cause he was obviously a jealous beta-bitch that decided since he was not man enough to tell his roommate he wanted to fuck her then no one that she brings home can fuck her as well.

[–]ToraChan235 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

You have a point. I’m just very protective of my place because I had bad experience of girls just showing up.

If she’s a woman who seems to have her shit together, it’s unlikely that she’ll have a situation like you described. I go for older women anyway so it’s a bit safer.

[–]samsmith672 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

"If she’s a woman who seems to have her shit together, it’s unlikely that she’ll have a situation like you described."

You are right there i guess. The chick was a bit more than 1/2 my age and seemed DTF so i took the chance.. Especially since i had my tongue down her throat more then once on the way there.

Another time i met a chick walking home by herself and she was kinda drunk.. I had to spend over 10 min at her door finding the keys in her purse cause she was unable to find them herself. Once we got inside though within 5 min she was sitting on my lap with her shirt off sucking my face... I carried her to her room and did what MEN do..

The next morn she got up to go to work and simply told me.. "See you around." and i left simple as that.

[–]1jojojijo3334 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Don’t have sex with drunk/under the influence women

This, prude lub is plausible deniability for her to fuck you (literally)

[–]Rkingpin70 points71 points  (4 children) | Copy

The morning after text is an underrated key here.

Also for us younger guys nothing wrong with a post-sex selfie. Bitches love those cheesy filters and shit.

I get girls who like making sex tapes. This is also protection

[–]beachbbqlover36 points37 points  (2 children) | Copy

Relying on morning after admissions of consent from a crazy person for your freedom.

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[–]BriefcaseHead219 points20 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seconded on the security guard. Mine saved me from my accusation

[–]poopiehands9311 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

I always get the girl to basically confirm we're having sex before we do it on facebook messenger or something.. but of course that wouldn't really hold up in court I'd imagine neither would your morning after text. They could just say they got coerced into it or whatever bullshit, I'm guessing?

So far I'm just crossing my finger and generally my method of not getting falsely accused of rape, or the advice I can give everyone here: don't piss her off.

That seems to be the main thing here. If women feel like they have some power over you by falsely accusing rape, or if they feel hurt in any way, even if it's in no way related to that. Just try to end things amicably, try to be cool to them if they ever message you or try to do whatever but don't be straight up like "fuck off, fuck you" with them. The only time someone kind of sort of hinted at falsely accusing me of that was after I pissed them off about something like went off on them called them a piece of shit via text. And I quickly shut it down and made sure she clarified herself right then and there that she consented and that was that.

[–]Pestilence191149 points50 points  (2 children) | Copy

My friend was falsely accused of sexual assault and forcible confinement.

He served 11 days in solitary confinement based on a woman's testimony, with no other evidence, and the four of us (who were downstairs) saying nothing happened.

Everytime we went upstairs to be dinks (we were all 16~) she was on-top of him.

I'll answer any questions you guys have about the process in Canada,

Even now, 10 years later people still call the guy a rapist,. The chick now has a kid with someone 30+ years older than her, and is a nurse.

He wasn't allowed to charge her with defamation of character, because it would discourage other victims from coming forward.

[–]chomponthebit26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy

Let me guess: the dudes/witnesses all laughed about it at school and she had the choice of being 1. A slut, or 2. A raped victim.

Always keep your mouth shut

[–]Pestilence191111 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah she got made fun of pretty hard. Everyone knew she was lying from the start, it was just a kangaroo court start to finish.

In the newspaper article they mentioned that the guys testimony was designed to make people in the back laugh, and a few people got brought in that had nothing to do with the actual event, so word spread quickly. I'm amazed to this day that someone can work a reference to the scene in full metal jacket where Pyle blows his brains out into a legal event.

[–]mortalcoil122 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Just make her breakfast and snap some pictures of you guys enjoying breakfast together.

[–]Ikar118 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy

Or take her out to good restaurant where there are cctv cameras. And keep the bill as evidence.

[–]Senior Contributor: "The Court Jester"GayLubeOil22 points23 points  (0 children) | Copy

After speaking to a couple of people who have gone through this process, here's how it works.

  • You hookup with some girl. Maybe you have sex maybe it's just kissing whatever. Point is your not the kind of person to violently have sex with a person against her will.

  • The girl regrets having sex with you. She could be in a relationship, have religious parents or be part of the new SJW religion which looks down on sexual relations unless it's two homos squirting aids up each other or a tranny molesting a child at a library or ßid∃n molesting children on camera is also ok, according to these people.

  • One of her friends convinces her that she was raped. At this point history is magically rewriten and she is absolved of the guilt of having had sex with a white cis hetro patriarchal colonizer of thriving diverse civilization of KangZ.

  • She and her friends then start trashing you on social media.

  • They get the school involved and make a formal complaint to the university student health services center which is filled with "belive all women leftists". They don't care about evidence and know you did it. The university and police will work actively to suppress all evidence that you didn't do it.

  • You get a lawyer and pay him huge sums of money to point out that nobody followed basic legal process and the whole thing is dismissed as numerous contradictons are revealed.

  • Nobody cares about slandering you and they act like the whole thing never happened.

  • You switch schools.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill22 points23 points  (5 children) | Copy

Keep your phone recorder on all the time. All you need to do is turn it on once. That will record everything your lawyer needs to know. I had my laptop recorder on for days in my hellish marriage and opened 30 other apps to bury it in the taskbar. It recorded some of the worst spine chilling shit imaginable.

Yeah and your phone can record calls too very easily.

My ex probably suspected I had captured a lot of what she said and did. That and maybe fear of reputation loss in a conservative country meant she didn't contest at all.

Save your chats and selfies and pics. Preserve all call records, sms whatsapp and other social media history. If she has a habit of blowing up your phone, it will help to keep that for your lawyer.

Do your part to sensitize more people (other men), the internet and your families about these behaviours. Don't hesitate to burn the enemy's reputation in more calculated ways.

Not sure if you can put a secret camera on your shirt or your place. I would really like that.

Cameras with audio at your business absolutely. You never know when it can save your skin.

Don't get drunk. Your alertness is your best friend.

Don't fight with a crazy on Twitter or FB. Get a lawyer to speak to her first. When the war's over, then spill the beans and spread the word. Your enemy can't fight back at that stage.

Don't explain or talk anything to the police. Know your rights. The more you talk, the more every word will be used against you. My lawyer told me to just keep quiet and let him do all the talking. STFU.

Keep some sane women on your side, preferably family, who can act as eyewitnesses or alibi, who can fight fire with fire. It will be their word vs your accusers. I know a guy whose wife saved him from a bunch of crooks who screamed rape as she was with him at the time. Ok, for this said women must be on your side at that moment in the first place, but it's always useful.

Get said women in your family to talk about false rape accusations.

If you have friends or family, when shit threatens to hit the fan, forward them a copy of all the evidence so they can held testify in your favour.

A false rape accusation is a female's version of rape -- on your freedom of commitment.

Do not stick your dick in crazy, drunk, drugs or worse.

If you have money, beware of gold diggers who may just frame you out of the blue.

While you STFU, the best tactic to beat a false accuser is to let them talk their way into exposing themselves with increasingly contradictory or ridiculous claims over time since no one can tell too many lies consistently.

Do not text anything sexually too explicit from your end, but make sure to get her to bare all her emotions good and bad in writing if possible. At any cost, do not communicate stupid or angry emotions and bad language in text.

[–]DareyFathom7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

Some states require both parties to be aware of the recordings. I know of someone last year that got off his rape charge and charged with wiretap violation for this exact thing. Better than being falsely charged with rape, but retarded we have to break the law to protect ourselves.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy

And the punishment for wiretap violation comes to?

Is it something a lawyer can help negotiate and get you out on a fine or bail? If so that is infinitely better than being charged for rape.

[–]DareyFathom3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

He was charged with a M1 so it'll follow him for life. I'll admit the recordings showed the girl behaving extremely bizarrely and I think most RP men would know better than to keep pursuing it with her, but it is still a damn shame that is what it has come to.

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[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Like I said earlier, WTF? Still I insist people do it, that charge is the lesser of two evils.

Perhaps we should publish a guide on how to move state overnight as soon as you realize you've dated a crazy who could frame you.

[–]1TRP_Scepter31 points32 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've cut drunk women out of my sexual life completely. I don't care how hot she is, I love my freedom more.

As for what to do when you've been falsely accused, you need to sit down, call a lawyer, get the fuck off of social media and shut the flying fuck up until the legal system hopefully does it's job.

Do not talk about it. Do not talk to parties involved. Do not apologize.

Just get a lawyer, get your story prepared and congruent, and pray.

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I've got clean habits. My only two vices are that I have to sit for too long at work (bad for health) and that I get up a bit late in the morning, which I am gonna fix right away.

So any woman who doesn't share that vision -- can't eat well, smokes, drinks or does drugs (or even has a history with no significant signs of transforming her lifestyle for good) or has mental issues (there's a long list I've made from experience) or a shitty attitude is an instant write off - doesn't matter who she is. My freedom and commitment are way more valuable.

If it were LTRs, that list gets even bigger. For one reason, I've actually observed that it's very difficult for women to change and transform, even though they tend to have little frame and adapt frame more easily -- it's more like women change a lot in the moment but not in the larger scheme of things. While I always used to think men were the stubborn mules, I realize that once they face the discomfort and willingly embrace the change, a man's true transformative power is something else.

If I had to bring out my inner geek, it's time for data science.

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[–]throwaway6976437 points38 points  (3 children) | Copy

And not even that is fully secure. Some crazies decide to accuse you if you have never even talked to them.

[–]TheFowo24 points25 points  (2 children) | Copy

happened to my uncle who's living in GB and working as a lab scientist. One assistant (with whom he was alone in the lab maybe once) stated that he raped her. Stupid bitch didn't know the place had cameras so luckily nothing happened to him (didn't even lose his job or university position).

[–]chewtoy8825 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy

I'll wager nothing happened to HER either. And that's bullshit. False accusations need to be dealt with, not explained away.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy

We live in a society where the default assumption regarding unfounded rape allegations is that those are situations where the rapist got away. People rely on statistics to justify their presumptions of guilt before evidence is even presented. One accusation from one woman has been enough to undo a lifetime’s worth of hardship and sacrifice. Guys are ousted from businesses that they built from the ground up on the basis of unsubstantiated claims.

Of course she didn’t receive any penalties. She probably still got a ton of sympathy and support while he was made an outcast.

[–]Ikar118 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy

Question. If anyone posted it anonymously seeking help, without disclosing much details, is it still a problem?

[–]Modredpillschool[S] 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy

If somehow it gets traced back to you, I think the risk greatly outweighs the rewards on that.

[–]daveed129714 points15 points  (0 children) | Copy

Seeking help from random dudes online for such a life altering criminal matter is retarded. Get a lawyer

[–]positiveredpill7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy

I've been accused by an ex. The main thing that makes them want to do this is envy. If your a badass alpha making moves every single time you do something meaningful or relevant she will blast you. It never goes away, she will turn your friends against you and most of the blue pill beta boys will share the posts to "warn" others and virtue signal how much they love women. The only thing you can do is shut up, document, and try very carefully to convince the court of public opinion that your not a creep. These are dark times for men. All it takes is one lonely girl or a woman who gets caught cheating and your life is over. Sidenote: if your an actual rapist, get therapy. I do not condone that shit.

[–]Fiyin200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Bless your soul bro. We cannot even discuss false rape accusations on popular sm sites, you are immediately reduced to an apologists and lord knows you would approve that real rapists be castrated on live TV. Chin up guys.

[–]mgtowthroww6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy

Most rape allegations aren't from strangers. But rather former girlfriends and wives when they want revenge. Go on over to /r/falserapeaccusations and you will see for yourself.
My OWN ex-wife filed false rape allegations!

[–]omen_tenebris22 points23 points  (1 child) | Copy

Sue the person

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just voice record every sexual interaction.

If a girl notices you recording it (this actually happened to me last weekend) then just tell her it's for your own safety. She actually understood and was like that's totally fine.

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I had this recently--til I reminded her she paid for the hotel room--never heard from her again

[–]samsmith671 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Holy shit! What was the story there? A ONS gone wrong? Did you just meet her that night?

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy

They all go wrong given enough time. Had to get restraining order that time. She showed up to room she paid for with handcuffs and asked me chain her to the balcony while I fucked her ass and she could loudly moan at passerbys.

I heard she was heavily medicated for weeks after from my attorney who threatened her with emails and texts proving she was alpha widow not victim. Her husband wrote me too. Asked me to leave her alone

Women are Danger and Play.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Better you should take it down in your own estimation rather than root for society change. May as well shake your fist at the sun for rising.

[–]YamaCT10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy

Real pro strat: I have an echo that I keep by my bed. When sex starts, I’ll ask the girl if she’s cool with being recorded (most are) and flick on my echo to record video + sound. Then I’ll also switch on voice memo from my phone to record audio in better detail.

Along with that, I have no social media beyond snap, insta and reddit. None of which link to my employer. I also never tell women exactly where I work, so there’s a 0 percent chance of me losing my job because of some random girl. In class, I’m nice and to myself usually since I keep my group of friend reserved to my enlisted buddies. So if some random chick starts going off about us sleeping together, no social ramifications. Oh and on the off chance a woman ever does try to come after me (only one has), I’ll play my consensually obtained recordings. If need be in the future, I’m also of means to pursue litigation.

This has saved my ass a few times and I would suggest and young, successful men do the same.

[–]Andgelyo2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Huh? Chicks are cool with you recording them? I’ve only met ONE chick that let me record her while she giving me a BJ. The other chicks I banged were heavily against it. Hell, my girlfriend doesn’t even want to record a sex tape.

[–]Johnfeb9436 points37 points  (16 children) | Copy

Best way to avoid false rape allegations and still have sex: be good looking

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[–]Angelrun31 points32 points  (0 children) | Copy

Nobody is safe bro document everything

[–]DerekMorganBAU12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy

Money is the motive.

[–]chewtoy889 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy

Also victimhood. Rember that chick who dragged a mattress all over her college even after her BS story lost in court?

Victimhood is the new status. Crap like this weaponizes it.

[–]Johnfeb9414 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy

It's different when you have a lot of money and a woman knows she can make millions off of you by falsely accusing you.

Also, we are talking about chance here and you're talking about a few well known cases. There is always a chance a woman can falsely accuse you of rape. It's just probably quite a bit lower if she actually finds you attractive.

[–]MerryVegetableGarden0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

James Franco’s a pretty good-looking guy. Didn’t help him any.

[–]BriefcaseHead21 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy

This is why I make it obvious to girls that I'm broke. I lift though so I still get to fuck but they know they aint getting shit from suing me

[–]Johnfeb94-2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy

"I lift though so i still get to fuck"

Sounds to me like you think lifting gets you girls. It helps to be in shape, but thinking that lifting weights gets you girls is stupid. As long as you're not overweight style and status and game matter a lot more.

[–]BriefcaseHead20 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Sounds to me like you haven't been lifting for long enough

[–]Johnfeb94-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy

Lifting weights and getting big gets you a lot more guys than it gets you girls lmfao. Be in decent shape and get a good job and a nice suit and it will work a lot better.

[–]ToraChan235 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

But not rich; look at Cristiano Ronaldo and Justin Beiber

[–]asdf333aza7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy

I have hidden cameras all throughout my house. I can turn them on from my phone with the press of a button. On the drive to my place I can turn them on before I get there and it wouldn't draw any more attention than you glancing at your phone for 5 secone. And I record nearly every encounter I have with females who I am hooking up with. Everything from when she came in the door and from when she left is most likely caught on camera even her consenting to sex. And on the off chance I go to her place I have an app on my phone that is records audio and video in the background. But I haven't had to use that one. I haven't been accused, but I've heard more than enough stories to know to protect myself from women. And I don't post any of the videos online cause I'm not trying to be a pornstar or embarrass any of them. So none of the girls even know I have the tapes. But I basically bullet proof myself with every sexual encounter. 😂 maybe after 6months of datint or something I might ease up, but I rarely keep a girl around that long.

My lawyers will have an easier time fighting a surveillance charge than a false rape allegation. And considering that those video will prove the female lied about something much more sinister, I think I'll do just fine.

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[–]asdf333aza2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's literally called "background video recorder" android app.

[–]FinallyRed0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I would have cameras running continuously. She could say the event in question happened on another date.

[–]boy_named_su3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

i think one good strategy is to have a reserve of money to hit her with a defamation suit as soon as you are accused

(or keep a lawyer on retainer)

also, keep your texts, put a video cam in your living room and bedroom - try to fuck at your place, and consider recording your calls (if you can in your jurisdiction)

[–]OPs_Real_Mom3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

So many people in the smash bros community are having allegations thrown at them and the idiots are writing fucking paragraphs to detail their "experiences" and apologies. Literally, admitting to the crime or alluding to it happening. If anybody decides to report them to the police there case might as well be start learning how to give head.

[–]subud12312 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy

Admit your fucked and take the plea deal. My brother refused because he said he never raped anyone. He got 25 yrs instead of the 8 he was offered. You would think a he said she said with no evidence would be thrown out. Nope. She said carries a lot more weight in the judicial system than he said.

[–]BriefcaseHead25 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

It's weird how just a few sentences in a comment say so much. I can't believe what they would have been like. For your brother and your family. I'm so sorry

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[–]subud1230 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Hes ok, found Jesus. They knocked off 10 yrs of his sentence because 5he prosecution was so shady and destroyed exculpatory evidence. So he gets out in 2027. Trust me the girl had zero evidence other than her word and her crocodile tears were enough to get him sent away.

[–]DextroShade1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I am not going to prison for 8 fucking years for a crime I did not commit. If he had bail the best move would be to flee to Belize or Eastern Europe.

[–]subud1232 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Yeah he was considering ripping off his gos tracker snd making a run for it but chickened out. He said the same thing at the time "Im not doing 8 years for a crime I didnt commit. Turns out that was incorrect thinking, the deck is stacked against men in our justice system, acquittals are rare

[–]MajinD0pe2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

Dont put your dick in Crazy

[–]Endorsed ContributorSKRedPill2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Have this thread pinned up for 2 weeks please.

[–]mgtowthroww2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

How to prevent? You can audio record on your phone. Just turn it on before you have sex and then save it to Google Drive or something afterwards. That way if she ever claims rape, you can always show the audio where she never said "No".

Another idea is you can text them the next day and say "I had a great time last night". If they say "Me Too", then that's a record for future.

[–]samsmith671 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

I'm sooo glad that little pussyboy singer is going legal on those twitter thots that threw the obviously bs accusation on him.

Save all e-mails and receipts from chicks you deal with Jian Ghomeishi style fellas.

[–]autoeroticassfxation0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Why can't I see any of the comments?

[–]Andgelyo0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Luckily never got into situation, as I am now in a long term relationship with a pretty solid girlfriend. However, evidence and proof is EVERYTHING imo. If you’re sexting a girl, save the conversation, pics, and any videos you have of her. I would even go so far as to record yourself sleeping with her.

[–]organicsunshine0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Watch American Crime 3 on Netflix. There is no way out even if raped by men. Stand up.

[–]Landsherr0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

So I have this idea. What if we put up some sensors on the bed and some Infrared cameras in the room. That stuff will show that the girl in most cases was willingly have sex and bonus points if the data shows that in many cases the girl was willingly coming towards us.

Also, with the recent allegations, many are anonymous for instance the ucr and scv allegations. I suspect many such mediums are being used by guys to overthrow frat presidents, and other people in position of power within the campus. How do we protect against such anonymous accounts which post allegations in the mass.

[–]Fiyin200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Ex falsely accused after I broke up with her ffg 3-years of relationship, she was an angel during the relationship and I never saw that shit coming. She was told my friends anyways, called a family member to also tell them that “I raped her during our first sex and she consented to all subsequent sex we had” Family asked me what happened told them I never did, in fact she came to meet me to have sex, told her she didn’t need to, said she was ready! And now the accusation. Family reached out to her, said they have heard my side of the story and she can go ahead to do whatever she wants to do, that they believe my side of the story. Ex is yet to come back. Stored away all exchanges we had during relationship, emails she sent when we broke up, voice recordings — all stored away.

Save receipts kings.



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