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Oxford student who stabbed boyfriend could be spared jail 'because of her extraordinary talent'

humortogo

May 16, 2017
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/16/oxford-student-spared-jail-extraordinary-talent/?WT.mc_id=tmgoff_fb_tmg
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Title Oxford student who stabbed boyfriend could be spared jail 'because of her extraordinary talent'
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humortogo

Upvotes 1714
Comments 260
Date May 16, 2017 4:46 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
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[–]qronick 244 points245 points246 points 9 years ago (42 children) | Copy Link

No less than four flattering pictures of the cute, skinny, blonde, smart, female defendant. Hmm.

[–]csgardner 100 points101 points102 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

All of which can only be called "glamour shots."

[–]TheRavenousRabbit 74 points75 points76 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If it had been a guy, the drunken, or hung-over, mug-shot of the guy would've been plastered all over the place.

[–]EricAllonde 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

We don't even have to guess how a guy would have been treated, because we have this very similar example:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6bhdhl/how_often_does_a_man_stab_someone_and_get_off/dhmqtxu/

[–]cheetofarts 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

At about 11.15am Afrifa grabbed the victim by the neck and tried to stab him numerous times in the chest and arms - he was under the influence of cannabis at the time.

Fortunately, a thick coat the victim was wearing caught the worst of the blows, and he sustained only superficial injuries to his chest, neck, and hands – and managed to run away.

Afrifa told police afterward he was annoyed that no blood had been drawn at the scene, as he was stabbing as “hard as he could”.

Yeah.. Totally the same thing...

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What are you talking about? She could easily have killed the guy with what she did and as if that wasn't enough she THEN tried to bludgeon him with heavy objects!

Why are you defending a privileged woman who nearly murdered an innocent man?

[–]resting-thizz-face 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

"""extraordinary talent"""

[–]JebberJabber 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link

Having papers published while still an undergrad sounds extraordinary to me.

[Edit: she was first author on at least two papers, and has been described as "a prodigy among prodigies"]

[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Meh, I disagree. She didn't have papers published, she got her name on published paper.

I got my name in published papers as an undergrad by volunteering to do fieldwork, data collection and analysis. Basically giving the PhD students an easy life in exchange for some easy credit.

[–]randomaccount2017d 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

True, but from searching on Google Scholar, she has at least two first-author papers. Assuming that medicine has similar author listing conventions as some other fields, she did the bulk of the important work for those two papers (unless her coauthors gave her first author for some other reason, which, knowing how ungenerous many academics tend to be with credit, I doubt was the case). That being said, most of her contributions to her other papers were less significant - meaning that she really did just do the grunt work

[–]Rethgil 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...all of which ignores the issue that perhaps it was more her gender than her so called talent that led to this. Not as if countless men haven't been punished more harshly for lesser crimes despite their talents.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Didn't realise, thanks for the knowledge!

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

She didn't have papers published, she got her name on published paper.

Yeah, exactly. I got my name on some published papers while an undergrad too. It was only because I did some OK work on my undergrad thesis, which other people wanted to reference in their papers, hence my name went on with zero effort on my part.

[–]single_use_acc 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Looking like she does, I bet I know how she got her name on those papers.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Blumpkins?

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Think again. She was first author on two papers.

[–]JebberJabber -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She came top of her year in the 3rd-year exams in a difficult and extremely competitive subject, at one of the world's top universities, while affected by drug addiction and I suspect mental illness.
And was first author on two published papers. That still sounds like extraordinary talent.

Talent is not one of the five criteria for mitigating a sentence, but she clearly fits others.

[–]KDulius 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Having a vagina being the most important one

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Charles Manson had a hit single

[–]mc_md 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I did that too, but if I stab somebody I doubt they'll care.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Indeed. I just think it weird that people can read that the judge has described her as extraordinarily talented, then think they are in a position to contradict him after reading a single news article. Maybe they didn't read the bit about her being top of her year at Oxford med school, or they don't know what the standards are at Oxford. But they know they are contradicting an informed person when they have hardly any information.

[–]mc_md 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't care what her accomplishments are. This is not a gray issue. Accomplishments don't buy you the right to stab people.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

That is the weird thing though, people do care what her accomplishments are. They claim accomplishments don't buy you the right to stab people, but their over-eagerness to deny her allegedly irrelevant achievements makes me wonder if they believe their own argument.
It isn't just in here. On news site comments all sorts of people are determinedly trying to convince themselves she is not especially talented.

The other thing is that headlines are inventing the claim that she might avoid jail because of her talent. That is wonderful for collecting clicks and comments but it isn't how it works. Talent, accomplishment and contribution to society are not among the mitigating factors the judge considers at sentencing.

[–]mc_md 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That is because they want to make the case that her gender played a role. It's an impossible point to prove anyway for any individual case, and a worthless one at that, given that statistics prove a strong anti-male bias in the courts on average.

That aside, I do not see room for debate on this. I've not heard anyone try to make the case that law should not be applied equally for intelligent people, or that talent excuses antisocial and felonious behavior. This violates the bedrock principles of civilized society.

What of the neurologist who lost her residency for drunkenly screaming at an uber driver, I believe last year? She was already a doctor, not just the potential for one, and she wasn't charged with any crime. No sympathy for her, though. She was lambasted. I'd love to see what this judge has to say to her.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Agreed, we must all be equal before the law. The obvious imperfections and biases in the system are a flaw not something to just accept.

neurologist who lost her residency for drunkenly screaming at an uber driver

Holy crap, that was a top quality meltdown. Hijacking, punching, kicking, defenestration of multiple electronic items and lots of paperwork, theft of keys, scaring off his existing customers, beating up the car.
The only reason she wasn't charged is because the driver took pity on her and accepted a modest cash settlement in return for not giving evidence to the cops when they arrived.

She doesn't look all that drunk, it makes me wonder if it is possible to buy meth in Miami.

[–]mc_md 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't deny that the neurologist deserved her fate. She sucks. Certainly none of that is worse than actually stabbing someone though, and that woman was already a doctor rather than just the potential for one.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Many degree courses as part of their program make the students write and submit papers for publishing, and every year a few get published. Big whoop. You're just lamely trying to femspalin her violence and escape from responsibility away.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Her academic ability has nothing to do with her violence and does not diminish or offset responsibility for her actions.

So why are so many people trying to deny what the judge and everybody else that knows her is saying, that she is extraordinarily talented?

A lot of extraordinarily talented people tried their best to come first in the pre-clinical exams at Oxford, but they all came behind her. Why not just accept that and move on? Trying to deny it only makes sense if you believe talent is a reason to escape responsibity.

[–]resting-thizz-face 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The point is she was let off because she's an attractive woman, not because of her talent.

[–]TheDongerNeedsFood 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

First of all, you're fucking wrong about that, and second, glad to know you think that getting published grants someone a free pass to commit violent crimes.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How am I wrong about her being extraordinarily talented? She was top of her year at one of the world's top universities and is first author on two published papers.

Where did you get the idea I think she should get a free pass for being published (or talented, or high-acheiving)?

Everybody is so keen to squawk about rich, white, pretty, talented. In fact sentencing judges are required to consider several mitigating factors and it is not uncommon for poor, low-achieving, non-white, low-class ugly and badly dressed males to be given lenience by the court because the standard sentence would be unduly harsh given their particular circumstances. I've seen guys with a bad record let off because they have acquired a steady job and a girlfriend and seem to be on track to sort their lives out, and the judge didn't want to wreck that by chucking them back in jail.

The public seem to think there is a legal principle that punishments should be rigidly connected to the crime, so everybody who does a particular thing gets the same sentence. That is simply ignorant, sentencing does not work like that. The public are being exploited for easy money by the media, whose reporting makes it sound as if this sort of lenience is a special thing given only to rich whiteys.

Of course lenience is more commonly given to people from the same class as the judge, that's just how implicit bias works. But the real bias here is how the media pick out stories of lenience when they can exploit their reader's emotions about class / gender / prettiness privilege.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not only female privilege, it's white female privilege, or perhaps young beautiful white female privilege?

[–]leoberto 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/84phU8of02U reminds me of that famous onion skit.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bright privilege!

[–]mully_and_sculder 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget rich.

[–]Galir 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget crazy.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the Daily Mail. [Edit: no, it is the Telegraph. These comments apply to the DM]

It is inconceivable that they would not publish photos like that since they are available.

Look at the sidebar. It is full of women, in almost all cases the photo and caption are about her appearance, specifically her sexy appearance in the vast majority of cases. The remainder of the items are nearly all about her relationship with a male celeb, and the woman who is the subject of the story is exceptionally beautiful. There is pretty much nothing else. Women in the Daily Mail are all about their appearance. Unless they are Myra Hindley or did something dreadful or titillating.

[–]qronick 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you got the wrong posting, this is the Telegraph, supposedly a cut above the Mail. It's also the paper "of record" for the ruling Tory party.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes. I had the Daily Mail open too.
I agree the Telegraph is better than the DM, though providing a platform for an energetic global warming denialist has permanently turned me off.

Oh well, the take-away message from this is that before stabbing people it is prudent to publish several flattering and attractive photos on Facebook.

[–]JebberJabber -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Wait, is this a news site? You would never see a story with associated photos of an attractive young woman promoted on a news site. ~

Judges are required to consider how the convicted person's personal circumstances may make the standard sentence unduly harsh for that person. That is why after conviction it is common for the judge to delay sentencing while ordering reports on the effects of a sentence on that person.

A common example is a parent with dependent children and no alternative childcare available. Or someone whose career involves international travel, which is prevented by a jail sentence. Or someone who needs` to drive to do their job or even just to get to work. Or someone who would lose their career if convicted.

It gets into the papers when the story is titillating or the convict is rich, famous or maybe just pretty, and the chooks all squawk as if it were something new and unusual.

Of course there is likely a bias in favour of pretty, white, female and upper class people but they are by no means the only beneficiaries of this policy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Seriously "LIKELY".

My problem with this related to Brock Turner (got way too light a sentence) and how the media both online and MSM re-acted. There have been far more lenient sentences given to female defendants for doing much worse, yet, none of them because the face of an unjust injustice system

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

True. It would be heart-warming to see some decent public outrage over one of those cases of a woman getting off lightly after sexually abusing a boy. They are less common now but it still happens a lot if she is not a teacher etc.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

And a big warm MRA welcome to sometime poster jebberjebber. Good to see them back again, posting to defend the indefensible actions of certain women.

Again.

So far jebberjebber has posted TWELVE comments playing her actions down on multiple posts about the event. Seems quite a set agenda there buddy.

[–]randomaccount2017d 256 points257 points258 points 9 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely disgusting. If the shoe was on the other foot, her boyfriend most probably would not have been given a pass. Instead, the college and the academic community would have gladly disowned him. Dr. Tim Hunt made a single sexist comment, and the establishment berated him. This women violently reacts to an argument, and her college is allowing her back for being "that bright".

Moreover, this is not a merely "a complete one-off" event. This speaks to her temperament. Many of us have heated arguments with others, but we don't become violent. Such a person should not be allowed to enter a profession such as medicine

[–]KDulius 82 points83 points84 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No he didn't.

He made a joke about how he met his wife and then Connie St Louis lied about it

[–]resting-thizz-face 40 points41 points42 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It was a self-deprecating joke that condemned his own chauvinism. It was clearly meant to be in support of women in science.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/sir-tim-hunts-claims-that-remarks-on-girls-in-science-not-sexist-backed-by-leaked-eu-report-10341309.html

[–]nforne 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When did the truth ever get in the way of a good ol' witch hunt?

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was the traditional case of the "good" (dishonest but attention-getting) newspaper story, not a good witch hunt. It went viral because it was the very best kind of story, one that panders to the prejudices of the readers. Then the university council were gutless or had some other grudge so they over-reacted, since he was in the air and could not be reached to check the story.

[–]randomaccount2017d 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I stand corrected then. Thanks!

[–]VicisSubsisto 39 points40 points41 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Such a person should not be allowed to enter a profession such as medicine

Seriously... This person should not be allowed around knives and other humans, much less as part of their daily employment.

[–]fgejoiwnfgewijkobnew 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The homicidal potential of a doctor goes well beyond knife access.

[–]KDulius 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In fact knife access is properly the least of your concerns if the doctor is homicidal

[–]Stairwayto711 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Being bright is so much more than making good grades, and this university might just learn that the hard way.

[+]AndaliteBandit points 9 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

If the shoe was on the other foot, her boyfriend most probably would not have been given a pass.

As she's from a very wealthy family, it's more likely that this is a class issue rather than a gender issue.

If you're rich, you can apparently be spared prison for stabbing someone in this case, or raping a toddler in another.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/02/justice/delaware-du-pont-rape-case/

He received an eight-year prison sentence in 2009 for raping his toddler daughter, but the sentencing order signed by a Delaware judge said "defendant will not fare well" in prison and the eight years were suspended.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And if the person were male, that 'class issue' would be outweighed against the gender issue and he'd be thrown out of there, and thrown in jail.

[+]AndaliteBandit points 9 years ago* [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

So do you buy the "will not fare well in prison" excuse? You think that's the reason a rich man convicted of raping a toddler was spared prison?

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry but why are you desperately trying to draw attention away from the key fact at hand, and the key case where she could have killed him and is clearly very dangerous, yet is avoiding jail on a spurious notion that she is talented, even though many similarly young good looking women regularly avoid equal jail times for crimes committed compared to men.

Why are you trying to avoid all that?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Don't pass up the fact that the victim was a PhD student and undoubtedly also extraordinary talented. What's the price for taking him from the world? Nothing

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He wasn't killed. He got something between a scratch which barely drew blood, and a single puncture wound that did not meet the seriousness criterion for GBH.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop. Femsplaining. Potential murders. Jebberjebber.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Explaining that a chap did not get murdered nor seriously injured nor that there was reckless disregard for the possibility of really serious injury is not "femsplaining potential murders". Or one murder. Or even manslaughter.

Do you see it as preferable that the comments mistakenly claiming they guy died should remain uncorrected?

[+]Kimball___ -29 points-28 points-27 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ummm Stanford Swimmer? If the shoe were in the other foot it'd be pretty much the same same scenario. The true difference is there was more outrage about the matter.

[–]majortom22 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A) actual outrage

B) frequency. This shit happens all the time but which sex do you think gets off more? You think her bf would get away with stabbing her cause he was "exceptional"?

[–]Singulaire 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Except Brock Turner's swimming career is dead in the water since national swim organizations have a strict policy of prohibiting convicted sex offenders.

[–]i_just_shitpost 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

His case was actually a lot more iffy then it was made out to be as he claimed to eating her out and fingering her with no knowledge that she had blacked out. The physical examination supported this claim of just fingering as there was no evidence of penile penetration

[–]Cannon1 330 points331 points332 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

What an entitled cunt.

[+]perplexedm points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

What about the courts ?

And reminds me of reiserfs.

[–]the_dummy 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

What about reiserfs?

[–]RubyOrchid13 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It reminds him of it.

[–]patmc5 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel like this comment, however warranted, is not necessary. We all know that people like this exist and they're detestable but constantly making them the focus of stories like these detracts from the main issue of fairness and equality and by equality I mean true equality, whereas everyone is given fair treatment, and not that everyone is equal.

My solution to this (because I don't want to just point out a flaw and not offer a way to resolve the issue) is that when situations or articles like this arise we battle the issue not the person. We must make the issue the focal point as to not detract from the true intent of men's rights activists, which is not we matter too or that we matter more, but we're all on this giant rock flying through space and we need to just all be better people to everyone and we all give each other the same treatment

The point being is that of we as men of this society cannot hold ourselves to a higher credibility than people that stand on the opposite side of the fence of us, as our conjecture and anecdotal evidence does not hold more credit than them, even if we believe it to be so.

I contemplated deleting this about 12 times now because I'm polluted out of my mind but even if it's not as articulate as I might like it to be I've read it over and over again and I think my sentiment is clear.

I hope you've all had a good day and thank you to anyone who actually reads this to the very end, I appreciate those who can last through a drunken ramble.

Humbly, patmc5

[–]rafaelinero 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree so much. The best way, imo, is to talk about domestic violence as something that isn't taken seriously enough by the courts in either direction, which is true. Some real scum "men" out there can get away with a lot of horrible abuse, too. I feel like actually treating partner violence seriously for whatever gender is something even people who haven't taken the red pill should be able to get behind, and yet shit like this keeps happening, and abused people (esp men) are told to suck it up by the police because its a "civic matter" aka not something the justice system gives a shit about.

[–]Vandechoz 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't mind the comment itself so much. I mind that over 300 people somehow felt that it added to the conversation so much that it needed more visibility.

[–][deleted] 91 points92 points93 points 9 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if people who threw a fit over brock turners supposedly light sentence will care about this. After all, they assumed it was because he's a privileged white man on the swim team

[–]lucid-tits 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

I was actually downvoted a few comments ago for saying, "Brock Turner does not compare to this entitled cunt. At least Brock didn't try to kill his victim." I'm really at a total loss as to how that elicited downvotes. I've been the victim of sexual assault two times, and I'm telling you... I would take being raped over killed even if it was just attempted. Feminists need to stop being so damn dramatic.

I swear to god 99% of feminists want to make it so that rape is punishable by death. They want it to be at the top of the hierarchy of heinous crimes above murder.

[–]kellykebab 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

She stabbed her bf in the leg with a butter knife. I wouldn't call that attempted murder.

[–]Keanac 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

The article says bread knife and you have one of your biggest arteries in your leg, so death wouldn't have been an unlikely outcome depending on the placement.

[–]kellykebab 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Wow. I totally misread that. Given her anatomical knowledge and the other things she threw, I'd say that's a pretty serious assault. Still wouldn't call it attempted murder, but clearly a jail sentence of some kind is appropriate.

[–]Keanac 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

No I would probably call it manslaughter or violence with death as the outcome in worst case scenario. Luckily he didn't die and I don't think it was her intent to kill him either.

[–]lucid-tits 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Does it even matter if it wasn't her intent? If I was to stab someone out of anger, and they died could I get off scot free by saying "I just wanted to scare them I didn't really mean to kill them lol oops" it doesn't matter what her intent was. Anyone who feels compelled to stab someone for any reason at all is a danger to society and should be kept out of society.

I mean, I have never in my life ever thought of picking up a knife to stab someone, and after all I'm supposed to be part of the "violent gender" right? Plus, she didn't even show up to her trial because her vacation was too important to her therefore she feels absolutely no remorse. This is a bona fide sociopath who needs to be locked up for her life or at least until she becomes rehabilitated, shows remorse, and understands why it was wrong of her to do that.

[–]pacmatt27 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

It does matter, particularly as a legal definition. Attempted murder is violence with the intent to end life. This doesn't appear to be. Could it have? Yes. But that's not attempted murder. I'm not defending this woman at all. She should have been charged and receive a sentence appropriate to the violence and lack of regard with which she acted. She should receive a sentence equivalent to a male... It just wasn't attempted murder.

[–]lucid-tits 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

violence with death as the outcome

That is not a legal definition though. I responded to your comment as if it was discussing the morality of her act.

[–]Keanac 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It might not be where you are from, but in Denmark we have " § 246 vold med døden som følge" which translate to violence with death as the outcome. I'm sorry that I don't know English law definitions.

[–]pacmatt27 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

In English criminal law, attempted murder is the crime of simultaneously preparing to commit an unlawful killing and having a specific intention to cause the death of a human being under the Queen's Peace.

From Wikipedia

It's close enough and "attempted murder" is a legal term. People were discussing whether that term was an appropriate description/charge for the circumstances. Also it wasn't my comment to begin with... I was just clarifying that distinguishing between attempted murder and something like grievous bodily harm is important. We shouldn't be charging this woman for attempted murder as it would be unjust. As far as I'm aware our intent here is not to be unreasonably punitive towards women but to achieve justice. We should be charging her appropriately for the level of her crime.

[–]Nissa-Nissa 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just to clear some things up, English law allows for murder charges to be bought where intent is GBH or above. So if he had died, she could have been tried for murder.

But it doesn't work the other way round. 'Attempted x' requires acts that are 'more than merely prepatory' and that sets a high standard. A guy got off when he found in a school with ropes and knives. The article said she was charged with 'unlawful wounding' which sounds like section 19 GBH and is the most serious non-homicide charge you can bring.

For a first time offender, the judge would likely be using the lowest sentencing bracket anyway so in other cases custody would not be guaranteed. From what I've seen, her being high achieving at the University most judges attended and being wealthy and culturally similar to them is more important than her being female. They just don't have to take the backlash of low sentencing a male defendant in this way into account.

[–]lucid-tits 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OK, that makes sense. I keep forgetting that English laws are vastly different from those of the US. Honestly, I started following British publications recently, and it astounds me how easily murderers get off. I hope that doesn't offend, but it honestly makes me so angry every time I hear about an awful murderer getting only a few years in jail. Like, for example did you hear about that man who drowned his wife in paint and set her body on fire?

That one literally left me reeling. Drowning is already bad enough, but paint? Imagine how horrible that would feel going into your lungs -- The sliminess and density. Over in the states such a person would have been put away for life and even possibly have gotten the death sentence. It just seems like the English justice system is immensely lenient in comparison to the USA.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You are probably right since recently a woman was acquitted of attempted murder of a police officer cutting his throat with a very sharp knife and luckily missed cutting his artery. The jury felt that cutting his throat wasn't enough to warrant an attempted murder conviction.

[–]kellykebab 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Jesus. Source?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/woman-slit-throat-aqcuitted-attempted-murder-article-1.1815198

Not sure if that source has the video but it should be easy to find.

From the JURY.

http://www.wcax.com/story/25743836/vt-jury-defends-decision-to-acquit-attempted-murder-suspect

They even acquitted her of attempted assault. I am sure that fact she was a pretty blonde woman had nothing to do with it.

I guess that proverbial bus load of nuns just isn't enough.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And when that didn't kill him, she then started trying to bludgeon him with several heavy objects to try to make sure. That sounds like genuinely trying to kill someone off.

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

That's a seriously needed public debate that literally nobody dare have anymore so it is taboo. Let's debate it; here's my view-rape is NOT as bad as or 'worse' than death, which is the ultimate crime, and so should not be compared to it in terms of media craziness or in terms of jail time.

[–]lucid-tits -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, and I finally did some more research into it. Apparently Brock was 17x the legal limit whereas the girl was only 3x. The paramedics who tended to her gauged her as high on the consciousness level, and she had a boyfriend so there is reasonable doubt to her statements. She could have easily feigned unconsciousness to get away with cheating, and in any case it's disgusting how rape cases are so PC nowadays.

There was NO evidence that he raped her, and there was plenty of reasonable doubt because of her not being that drunk. This world is absolutely out of control and I'm starting to feel that he could be innocent. Man, if he is I really feel for him. Media needs to stop this witch hunting crap. Fuck the PC SJWs of today, they have absolutely ruined the world. Innocent before proven guilty. Cases like this make me so grateful to have been born as a gay man. This is ridiculous.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Apparently Brock was 17x the legal limit

At 17x he would be dead.
"The woman's blood-alcohol was more than .24, or three times the legal limit.
Turner's blood-alcohol content was .17, or more than twice the legal limit of .08."

Source: http://www.mercurynews.com/2016/03/22/expert-witness-falters-in-sex-assault-trial-of-former-stanford-swimmer/

The paramedics who tended to her gauged her as high on the consciousness level

No. She was in an alcoholic coma. Not asleep, because a sleeping person can be woken. The cop who first found her stayed with her, trying every 15 minutes to wake her. After 4.5 3.2 hours of trying, he was able to wake her. This level of intoxication is consistent with her BAC.

She could have easily feigned unconsciousness

No. You can't feign the alcohol in a blood sample. Cops and ambulance staff need to know how to reliably detect a genuine unconscious person.

I don't know what they use, but here is one very reliable method that they would be aware of: When you lift a person you have to support their neck. It is instantly completely obvious whether you are holding the head of a conscious or unconscious person. I've never met anyone who could get anywhere near faking it, during years of doing massages for friends. I'd have them on their back and would ask them to try and relax their neck muscles while I lifted and very slowly moved their head around. It is a great demonstration of how hard it is to give up control.

[–]lucid-tits 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

At 17x he would be dead. "The woman's blood-alcohol was more than .24, or three times the legal limit. Turner's blood-alcohol content was .17, or more than twice the legal limit of .08."

First of all, the legal limit for people under 20 is 0.1. Therefore, he definitely was 17x over the limit. I applied these numbers incorrectly, but they are certainly valid.

Doe reported that her last memory was around midnight,[3] and made telephone calls to friends shortly after that.[3] A responding paramedic said she did not respond to a "shake and shout" test,[3] but that she opened her eyes when he pinched her nail beds.[3] When Doe vomited on the scene before being taken away by ambulances, she was able to cough and spit out the vomit on her own without assistance.[3] In a January 19 report, the paramedic rated her as 11 out of 15 on the Glasgow Coma Scale.[3]

She was far from comatose. I suggest you do some research into the Glasgow Coma Scale. Also, ANY media outlet is not a reputable source. You form your opinions on the testimony which you can access easily on the internet. Wikipedia is a handy source for this which is where I got my basics from. However, I kept misreading the paragraph about the BAC levels because it really tripped me up that they didn't provide us with the exact level that was measured when he was tested.

They provided us with Emily Doe's BAC at the time of the test, which was 1am but only gave us the extrapolation of Brock's and not the actual level that was measured. In any case, the detectives came on scene at 1am, and the victim "came to" at 4:15am so that's 3 hours not 4.5. It is plausible that she acted incoherently for 3 hours. I know I could easily do that, especially if I was drunk enough.

As for your anecdote about the neck muscle thing, actually, I've heard people say that in a car crash your odds of surviving would be higher if you were drunk because it's a muscle relaxant. It is undeniable that she absolutely was intoxicated at the time, and she could probably have relaxed her muscles a lot more efficiently than someone sober. She left voicemails during that time, and that means she was definitely capable of physical interaction.

I've blacked out my fair share in life, and after most of these my friends expressed shock, "But you seemed normal! Drunk, but normal enough." One time my sister and I had been drinking all night long when she suddenly changed into her PJs, got into her bed, and shrieked at me to get out of her room. The next day she expressed immense remorse, "I'm so sorry I did that! I don't even remember that!"

She has also admitted to me that on multiple occasions she has gotten blacked out, and ended up having sex with her boyfriend without any recollection the next day. Sex is a pretty simple physical interaction where you obviously don't really communicate that much verbally, and since she was seen LEAVING the room with Brock I could believe that she ended up hooking up with him.

And then she ended up passing out in the middle of it, especially considering that it's highly doubtful he would have been able to drag her behind the dumpster on his own considering how many people were around. So therefore she most definitely went behind the dumpster on her volition. Why? Also, if you've paid attention to the court documents his testimony has been at least 25% truthful. He claimed that he hadn't penetrated her with his penis, but his finger. That turned out to be true. The examiner found no evidence of penile penetration, and I wouldn't be surprised if everything else he said was true.

He claimed that he got up to pee or something, and that was when he got tackled by the two Swedes, whose testimonies conflict with each other which is strange. In any case, I am so thankful that he was not convicted of rape because frankly, there is not enough evidence no matter what you SJW wackos claim. A woman's testimony or the lack of thereof will never be concrete evidence.

I'm not saying that he's completely innocent, but not enough evidence. Period.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems disingenuous to compare intoxication by reference to the local legal limit for driving use by two different BAC limits in the same calculation. That puts the comparison out by a factor of eight.
"17x vs 24x the legal driving limit for under 20" does not make as much sense as "2x vs 3x the adult legal driving limit", which is how every other writer on this subject which I have seen has put it (many omited "adult"). Mixing the two and writing "17x vs 3x" is extremely misleading.

He claimed that he got up to pee or something, and that was when he got tackled by the two Swedes, whose testimonies conflict with each other which is strange.

It is not unusual for eyewitness testimonies to conflict a bit. I don't recall significant discrepancies.
They saw him humping her and called out "Hey, what the hell are you doing" or something like that. By complete coincidence Brock realised he needed to pee so jumped up leaving his lover half naked and ran off. One of the Swedes tackled him after a short chase.

Or possibly he thought they were scary aggressors and as a feminist didn't want to patronise his new GF by assuming she needed protecting from them. Therefore he ran for safety himself confident she could fight them off on her own. He left one of her breasts exposed as a reference to Amazon warriors of the past, knowing that would probably be enough to scare them off on its own.

What he was convicted of is not legally called rape in that jurisdiction, but since it was a worldwide discussion and given the effect on the complainant the wider sense was used. In many jurisdictions any unconsented sexual penetration at all is classified as rape.

[–]lucid-tits 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It seems disingenuous to compare intoxication by reference to the local legal limit for driving use by two different BAC limits in the same calculation. That puts the comparison out by a factor of eight.

That's why I claimed that I had applied the information incorrectly, but these numbers were valid. I meant that I know that the fact that he is 17x is irrelevant, but that is the number I saw floating around so I just regurgitated that in my comment without really thinking about it. However, the number is correct, and as you said Brock was 17x and the girl was 22x. Her BAC was 22, not 24 like you have repeatedly claimed. Even that number was just an estimate because they tested her BAC hours after the incident so the investigator/doctor was given leeway to estimate what her BAC was at the time of the incident.

Look, I have been the victim of multiple sexual assaults in my life. Most of the people who bayed for blood in response to this case are people who have never gone through it themselves yet the actual victims of sexual assault (including me) seem to agree with the ruling. I was raped when I let a friend of mine sleep over after a drunken night together.

The swedes' testimonies conflict with the EVIDENCE is what I meant. They claimed they saw Brock humping away at the girl even though forensics clearly indicate that he never stuck his dick in it, and that conflicts with their testimonies while corroborating Brock's. So far Brock's testimony is the only one that has been corroborated by forensics so that's why I'm more inclined to side with him.

In any case, I am almost 100% certain that they had been hooking up in the midst of a drunken/blackout stupor when the girl suddenly passed out in the middle of the shindig, and that was probably when he decided to cease all the activities. All testimonies indicate that he was getting up anyway, so it sounds very plausible. Sorry, but anyone with a semblance of sanity agrees with me.

There is not enough evidence to put him away for as long as the feminists who are baying for blood would like, and it's completely deplorable that everyone has participated in this witch hunt when there is no concrete evidence that he raped her. He was drunk. She was drunk. For all we know, they both raped each other. When I was sitting through my first violence and sex assault awareness lecture at my University the police officer there said, "If a drunk man and a drunk woman both hook up whose fault is it?"

"The man duhhhhh!!!!1111 It doesn't matter if they were both blackout drunk, blah blah blah" and this is exactly what is happening. I'm frankly sick of you feminists disguised as MRAs clogging up these threads trying to sway our opinions. It's not going to work. We know who you are, and kindly fuck off.

[–]i_just_shitpost 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He actually wasn't even convicted of rape. His case was actually a lot more iffy then it was made out to be as he claimed to eating her out and fingering her with no knowledge that she had blacked out. The physical examination supported this claim of just fingering as there was no evidence of penile penetration

[–]lucid-tits 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, exactly. Why the hell is everyone orgasming over the case? Come on. I have blacked out many times in my life, and my friends usually tell me "Wow, I had no idea! You acted completely normal." However, at one point I do tend to pass out randomly. She was reported to have walked off with Brock of her own volition, so I wouldn't be surprised if she acted coherent at the beginning of a hookup.

And then passed out in the middle, and Brock who was drunk as well himself might not have fully understood what was going on. The fact is that we DO NOT KNOW the full details. She got herself blackout drunk that night which is irresponsible as all hell. I learned after the first 5 times I blacked out to control my drinking, and I also take partial responsibility for anything stupid I did during those nights.

I've literally ended up making out and feeling up the most repulsive people while blacked out. However, since they were girls of course nobody gives a shit, "He should have controlled himself!" I just think everyone has been jumping the gun because of overzealous political correctness. As someone who is a victim of sexual assaultS, one of which occurred when I was blacked out...

I didn't feel traumatized by it whatsoever. I didn't even know what happened until the next day when my friend told me himself that he had been feeling me up all night. That was a moment when I started to feel incredibly violated and angry at someone for taking advantage of me like that. However, I take partial responsibility because I should have known better than to black out around him.

However, he is still a scummy person. But people are literally treating this case as if it was murder. As someone who has been the victim of sexual assault -- Murder > rape. Period.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He was seen by the Swedes to be humping her, they assumed he was having sex. Despite being some distance away, it was obvious to them even while cycling past that she was unconscious. They could tell but he could not?

She had been unconscious for at least several minutes. A student found her alone and unconscious and phoned police, who arrived 5 min later.

But even earlier she was found unconscious with one breast exposed by another student who put her in the recovery position. Someone was taking photos of her (Brock, since he sent a photo of a woman with one breast exposed to his team mates around that time?). The photographer vamoosed.

[–]i_just_shitpost 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The photo wasn't the same women and was sent by a different teammate

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A team mate sent a picture of a different woman showing just one boob at around the same time as Brock's phone posted a photo, but somehow nobody in the group was able to supply Brock's photo despite it exonerating him from that incident? Why did someone reply to Brock asking "whose boob is that?"

[–]imthewiseguy -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

privileged white man

REEEEEEEEE!

[–]ScottPress 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She stabbed a guy because they argued. It'll happen again sooner or later.

[–]quackquackoopz 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder what her boyfriend thinks. Stabbed, punched, shit thrown at him, zero justice.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

He stuck his dick in crazy. Mileage varies, roads can be bumpy. Sounds like she was doing a major flip-out, for him to be calling her mother when she stabbed him.

[–]Apexbreed 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

He'll be going MGTOW in no time...

[–]Vandechoz 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

not as likely as you might think

there are a lot of self-hating white knights out there, and even when the proverbial red pill hits them in the face, they don't always notice

[–]Beltox2pointO 46 points47 points48 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"Now in Italy with her mother"

I think this is more leaning towards wealth privilege not so much female.

[–]frootloops6969 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I think being female is just as much involved as her being wealthy. But that's just like my opinion man.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe there is evidence of women getting more lenience for first offenses.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She went to school in Italy, her mother lives there. But yes, lots of wealth.
Poor men get mitigating factors considered too. Not so much, but they do.

[–]tehufn 23 points24 points25 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

To those worried about her wielding a scalpel,

"However, she is unlikely to be able to become a surgeon as her criminal conviction would have to be disclosed, said Jim Sturman QC, defending."

I only hope that ends up the case.

[–]nocivo 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

who in his right mind want a crazy bitch a his surgeon? I don't! also she can still study in the prison.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Having known many surgeons, I assure you, most of them are unlikable assholes. Have you ever watched Scrubs? Real surgeons are 10 times more annoying. A person can be batshit insane in their relationships, but that doesn't mean they can't be a superb surgeon.

[–]nforne 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

... she attended Sir James Henderson British School of Milan, a £16,000-a-year international school in the Italian city. 

She left the school in 2011 and began her degree at Oxford in the same year. 

She had had a "very troubled life” and had been abused by another former partner, her defence lawyer told the court.

Troubled life? Hmmmm. Seems there isn't a woman alive that can't play the victim card.

[–]gk3coloursred 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You forgot that she is currently on holiday in Barbados.

I wish I had one of those 'troubled lives' in which one goes to a glamorous foreign private school which costs the same in fees as many might earn in a year, before avoiding the regular Uni 'plebs' and taking up a place at Oxford. A life with so much comfort and life perks that I feel it entirely reasonable to not even show up in the courtroom when being up on charges of 'unlawful wounding' after attacking & stabbing someone with a 3/4 foot-long knife, a glass and other objects.

However as a regular pleb (a male one at that) I'm sure I'd be up an assault with a deadly weapon charges, would be remanded in custody until the time... and will never go to Barbados.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

she is currently on holiday in Barbados.

She is currently at her mother's house in Milan, where she went to school.
She was alleged to have gone to Barbados after the hearing. Or maybe it was to a psychiatric hospital, who knows?

Failing to appear would have been contempt of court, nobody can get away with that.

attacking & stabbing someone with a 3/4 foot-long knife

She then attacked herself with the knife. We don't know whose injuries were more serious. Hers were superficial, while his might have involved penetration. Bread knives are not usually pointy though.

I wish I had one of those 'troubled lives' in which one goes to a glamorous foreign private school ...

I have a lot of contact online and IRL with people with troubled lives. Some of them are affluent.
I can think of one who is very similar to this woman, even down to being top of her year at graduation from a world-famous art academy, and addicted to medically prescribed drugs and alcohol. And pretty. And anorexic, so badly that she was able to work as a model for a super expensive brand.
And extraordinarily talented in her field of work, and a former national champion in her sport.

You don't wish you had her life. You really don't. If it were given to you, you would likely throw it away as she has tried to repeatedly, by horrible methods.

[–]mully_and_sculder 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She is obviously capable of giving as good as she gets. I wouldn't be surprised if previous violence was instigated by her.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Troubled life" is much more often heard about men, if only because men far more commonly end up in court for violence.

It works because judges know the impact of a bad childhood on a person. It is glaringly obvious that most of their customers would not be there if they had a better upbringing.

[+]_vend7u points 9 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

Can a petition not be made for this women to be put on trial again, this time under a different judge?

She's clearly being treated differently because she's a women; which is discrimination and sexist. If she has a history of drug addiction and is this emotionally unstable she is clearly not fit to everyone a surgeon regardless of her "talent". There has to be something which can even done.

[–]TheLizardKing89 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Can a petition not be made for this women to be put on trial again, this time under a different judge?

No, that would be a violation of the prohibition on double jeopardy.

[–]PandaXXL 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Double jeopardy has been a possibility in the UK for over a decade, the woman could 100% be retried if enough people made noise about it.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

She has already been found guilty. What do you want, double-guilty?

Sentencing has been deferred until September, and she has been ordered to avoid drugs, seek treatment and stay out of trouble.

[–]PandaXXL 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd like a fair sentence that isn't swayed by gender and class.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So do most people. We have good reason to suspect that both factors might come into play here, but you should review the mitigating factors a judge is required to consider, and look into how often they are applied to poor low-class men. Of course there is bias, but it is plain that most people are ignorant of both how often lenience is given to to ordinary lowlifes, and of the reasons for that.

[+]_vend7u points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

There has to be a petition to get her kicked out of Oxford at least. There's no way she can get away with this simply because of her gender.

[–]Lucius_Martius 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There has to be a petition to get her kicked out of Oxford at least.

Isn't this the very thing we criticize feminists for doing? Overruling the decisions of a legal system by punishing people socially... It is no better than mob justice.

If you do not like how this sentence turned out (I agree), then petition the judges or politicians instead to improve the situation in future cases.

[–]JebberJabber -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

She's clearly being treated differently because she's a woman

How is it clear? There is evidence of women being treated differently, but that is statistical. This case on its own does not prove bias.
The majority of people who avoid prison sentences because it would have a disproportionate effect on them due to personal circumstances are men. Not always white men from rich families either, though they do seem to be favoured.

[–]mwobuddy 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This is how movie stars or high power execs get heavily reduced time, or house arrest, except to continue their job.

Its all about 'what you contribute' to society. For thousands of years, society has granted special privileges to people who produce more, overlooking minor or even major infractions. In the extreme, a despotic ruler thousands of years ago could murder or rape his own people and he'd still be beloved by most of them as it was his 'right' to do these things since he was 'the ruler'.

We have a thing called dominance hierarchy. Your value gives you leeway.

Movie stars get to either go to rehab, house arrest, whatever, for crimes, and continue making movies. If movie production stopped because of them, that's a lot of people out of work, etc.

A regular person doing the same crime, even say, a poor person, such as someone who's a poverty line drug addict, gets prison instead.

This isn't new.

[–]randomaccount2017d 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps, but it still doesn't make it right. Moreover, as some have pointed out here already, when Brock Turner got off easy, many in the mainstream were livid; in this case, there is not even a whimper. Aside from her getting a pass for her achievements, that is a major issue - the hypocrisy of the groups who raged then and are silent now

[–]mwobuddy 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but it isn't pushing their button. Its not rape, just stabbing.

"In the criminal justice system, sexually-based offenses are considered especially heinous."

DUN DUN.

They want rape crimes that go with reduced sentences or look 'unpunished'. They need them, in order to say "see, the feminist mythology is true!"

A woman stabbing a man doesn't further agendas based on sex crimes.

[–]Kimball___ 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well it furthers the idea that women can be just as wicked. Which I think is important too.

[–]mwobuddy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I don't know if I was changed for the better, but I was changed for good.

[–][deleted] 28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pussy pass!

[–]DrewFlan 38 points39 points40 points 9 years ago (74 children) | Copy Link

Brock Turner.

[–]Objectively_Stated 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the point is that cases like Brock Turner's are relatively uncommon. Cases where a woman gets off lighter than a man would, or even lighter than the law says they should, are absolutely not uncommon.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Brock Turner continued foreplay with his partner for a few minutes after she passed out. He did 3 months in jail.

How exactly does that justify no jail time for stabbing a guy in the leg?

[+]orjrhdhdjrj -15 points-14 points-13 points 9 years ago (71 children) | Copy Link

What does that have to do with this topic?

[–]DrewFlan 33 points34 points35 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the correlation is glaringly obvious.

[–]WordsNotToLiveBy 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Every post in all the different subreddits this story was posted on, the reoccurring mirror example as been Brock Turner. Strange that he was the only example ever brought up in all these posts.

Brock Turner.

Okay, great. What are we meant to do with that comment of yours? Thank you for sharing that one example. Shall we chalk it up to men and women get treated exactly the same under the law, and we should all pack it in now?

What is it really that you want to say with your comment? That we should forget all the data proving that men get charged disproportionately higher then women for the same crimes. No bias, just google court sentencing gender and see the countless articles, studies, research done on this. There's no need to embellish, no need to send you to some dodgy blog, no cause to hide anything. Just simply google any different terms on this subject and the facts are glaringly in front of you.

So when you throw out "Brock Turner," as if that's supposed to mean something, all it says is that men are definitely still sentenced much more harshly, but under the right circumstances (rich, connected, etc) a man may be lucky enough to get the privilege so often handed out to women on a daily basis.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I believe the OP was stating "Brock Turner" because of the lack of equivalent outrage.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (67 children) | Copy Link

Do you think stabbing someone could not be equated with rape? I'd say stabbing is far worse than what Brock Turner did. He fingered a passed out girl while drunk himself.

Guarantee this will be swept away and never talked about again, though.

[–]ADCFeeder69 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

Yeah i agree. What Brock did was awful, and his sentence didnt fit his crime. But stabbing is def worse.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

what Brock did (rape)

stabbing is def worse

Dude, really?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

He fingered a girl he was walking home with after being seen dancing, flirting, and kissing by others.

I agree 100% you shouldn't finger passed out girls, but I can't in good conscience demonize an 18 year old under those circumstances and label him a rapist. I think he got a more than fair sentence.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

after being seen dancing, flirting, and kissing

While she was unconscious. This isn't a gender issue. Not conscious = not consenting, don't try to fucking whitewash it.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

She was dancing, flirting, and kissing while unconscious? Wow that's amazing.

Also what is this about gender issues and whitewashing? You're the only one bringing this up. I would 100% defend any race or gender in the same circumstances.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

Don't be a pedant. She was unconscious when Turner committed the crimes he was convicted for.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm not arguing with you on that point... What he did was wrong, I just don't consider those circumstances enough to label him a rapist. That's it.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

deleted What is this?

[–]resting-thizz-face -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

He would've gone further if he wasn't found out, and I don't see his drunkenness as having much relevance. We can bring up Turner as a similar case without making it a trauma competition. Though I agree with /u/Singulaire on this point:

Except Brock Turner's swimming career is dead in the water since national swim organizations have a strict policy of prohibiting convicted sex offenders.

Nice pun btw

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He probably would have gone further, I agree. What he did was reprehensible, but we don't charge or convict people for things they might have done, we charge them for what they actually did.

I bring up him being drunk because he's responsible for his drunken actions when witnesses saw them dancing and flirting at the party and then leave together, but she's not responsible for anything. Once she's passed out, absolutely, but to disregard everything prior to that is asinine.

Him fingering her while blackout drunk, while wrong, has nowhere near the potential trauma stabbing could.

I think they're absolutely comparable in that regard.

[–]resting-thizz-face -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

He probably would have gone further, I agree. What he did was reprehensible, but we don't charge or convict people for things they might have done, we charge them for what they actually did.

Well, he was charged with attempted rape.

I agree what the witnesses saw is relevant to a degree.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That charge was dropped later on. He was fully clothed when he was found, there was no evidence indicating he was trying to bang her.

You have to remember he was ridiculously drunk as well.

[–]resting-thizz-face 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right, I read he was indicted on attempted rape but he wasn't convicted.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, only convicted of sexual assault at the end, but people still call him a rapist.

[+]Team_Awsome -11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (43 children) | Copy Link

You're delusional if you think a stab in the leg in worse than rape. Rape psychologically scars for life, a stab in the leg leaves a scar and a good story about an ex. Grow up.

[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Are you implying that being stabbed doesn't scar people for life?!

Lol that's where society is now, I guess.

"...a stab...leaves a scar and a good story about an ex. Grow up"

Jesus fucking Christ

[–]nforne 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

Uh okay. So victims* of domestic abuse are not scarred psychologically?

*By victims I include both men and women

Edit: grammar

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The way you worded this makes it seem like you're responding to a person that thinks women aren't scarred psychologically by abuse.

I feel like you meant the opposite but I may be wrong

[–]nforne 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm responding to someone who said the victim being stabbed by his ex would be left with nothing more damaging than a physical scar and an entertaining story about an ex.

I wonder if stab victims and victims of domestic abuse would agree with that. (Hey, they're only bruises - they'll heal and now you have a great story to tell your friends!)

Also, I reworded my post slightly before seeing your response, so my meaning may now be clearer.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There you go. Just trying to help you get your point across.

[–]nforne 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That's cool, thanks. I was just clarifying for you but it probably came across the wrong way.

[–]heimdahl81 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

A stab in the leg could make you bleed to death very quickly. Stabbing anyone is automatically attempted murder. Murder is worse than rape.

[+]mistixs points 9 years ago* [recovered] (20 children) | Copy Link

a lot of rape victims would disagree with you

[–]heimdahl81 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

They are wrong. A murder victim doesn't have the luxury of agreeing or disagreeing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alot of murder victims

FTFY

[+]mistixs -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Disagreeing isn't a luxury.

[–]heimdahl81 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Being alive is.

[+]mistixs -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Being alive isn't a luxury if you're suffering so much you wish you were dead, but are trapped because you're too afraid to kill yourself and end the agony.

[–]nforne 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Which is worse, in your view?

A woman being murdered...

or a man being raped?

[+]mistixs points 9 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

not exactly an equivalent scenario since studies show that men rate the idea of being raped to be much less distressing than women do:

https://books.google.com/books?id=4Cj1BgAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=evolution+of+desire+david+buss&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi92t6wmvbTAhXHZiYKHQzPBdsQ6AEIKTAB#v=onepage&q=sexually%20aggressive&f=false

but i'm sure some male rape victims do think that being raped is worse than being murdered, and that's their right to believe that.

[–]nforne 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Your link seems to refer to female on male rape.

I'd put it forward that most men consider the possibility of being raped by another man, as happens frequently in prison, to be extremely distressing.

So to clarify, in your view, which is worse?

A woman being murdered?

Or a man being raped by another man?

Edit: u/mistixs tried to avoid answering my previous question by saying that one section of male rape victims were not as traumatised as women victims. Many men would disagree of course. I could have called her out on this but chose instead to focus on male on male victims - surely even she cannot deny they would be at least as, if not more, psychologically damaged as the victims of male on female rape. I think in this case, getting an answer was more important than starting a new argument. Apologies to anyone offended by my apparent dismissal of male victims of female on male rape.

Edit2: Looks like she isn't going to answer. I think that speaks volumes.

[–]pacmatt27 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Don't water it down. You've already shown she's a hypocrite.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Stab could make you bleed to death...

But, y'know, the guy didn't. She didn't murder anyone. Brock Turner, on the other hand, did rape someone.

Fucking Christ, y'all are just as bad as the feminazis right now.

[–]heimdahl81 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Brock Turner wasn't convicted of rape. He was acquitted of rape and attempted rape charges. He was convicted on felony sexual assault.

Any time you stab someone it is attempted murder because it could potentially end in death regardless of intent.

[–]JebberJabber -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That does not make it attempted murder in any jurisdiction I know about. Engish-derived legal systems have things like Grievous Bodily Harm and "injury with reckless disregard" or something like that. Attempted murder would require separate evidence of intend to kill, not just to risk death. Also, in NZ murder requires malice aforethought i.e. a plan to kill. An unplanned fight resulting in death is manslaughter not murder, even if the fight and the weapon were planned. Murder would require the death to have been explicitly planned.

[–]heimdahl81 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are correct in the legal sense. I suppose I shouldn't have used the legal term attempted murder because I am not talking about it in legal terms. I am talking about the reality that this woman realistically risked killing the man whether she intended to or not by drunkenly slashing and stabbing at him. She clearly intended him physical harm. The fact that it was not worse is likely luck on his part.

[–]imthewiseguy 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Tell that to my old friend who's dead from a stabbing.

[–]EgoandDesire 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

Plus its entirely likely she went with Brock and was planning on sleeping with him anyway. Why else was she with him all night? The only trauma was that she was passed out

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Yep, people at the party reported seeing them dancing, flirting, and kissing each other. They also saw them leave together. This chick is also a functional alcoholic, her blood alcohol level was beyond blackout drunk and she's a very frequent drinker. She also had a boyfriend while she was all over Brock at the party. But that's not what the feminist narrative is, so that's not what they'll tell you.

If anybody is interested it's all public record in the court documents, you can Google them.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

But she was unconscious.

This isn't a gender issue, you daft fuck. Male victim, female victim, who gives a shit. Unconscious = Non-consent. Why the fuck are you trying to whitewash it?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wew lad, jumping to a lot of assumptions there.

I'm not saying what you're assuming here, I'm saying he isn't the kind of person he's being demonized as. What he did do was absolutely reprehensible and he deserved SOME punishment, but feminists were calling for him to be executed and get the maximum sentence and blah blah blah. It was an insanely stupid debacle and the judge caved under public pressure to increase his sentence which I actually still disagree with, though I'm aware that's an unpopular opinion in our prison trigger-happy feminazi nation.

I think the reality is that he was a young retarded 18 year old who probably learned his lesson just by going to court, and what he did in the context of the situation, while wrong, I can't in good conscience describe as rape. She played a huge part in what happened that night, she's much older than he is, but he's the one bearing all the extreme consequences. His life is literally ruined.

You can think I'm a "daft fuck" all you want, but I don't and never will think he deserved to have his life ruined for fingering a chick who was passed out.

[–]xthorgoldx 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

calling for him to be executed etc

Yeah, we can agree, that's bullshit. But you're comparing two ends of the extreme. The judge's sentencing wasn't based on "Oh, what he did wasn't that bad," it was entirely influenced by money and political pressure because Turner's a rich fuck at an Ivy League.

a young retarded 18 year old

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a pretty common idea around here that "Men don't need to be taught to not rape?" You can't blame his actions on young ignorance - he's 18, not 8, and he was perfectly aware of what he was doing.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, we can agree, that's bullshit. But you're comparing two ends of the extreme. The judge's sentencing wasn't based on "Oh, what he did wasn't that bad," it was entirely influenced by money and political pressure because Turner's a rich fuck at an Ivy League.

I just completely disagree with this, to be honest. I would hope that everybody could get the same treatment that he was initially getting. I don't think looking down at the black/impoverished people who are getting screwed and thinking "oh this should happen to rich people" is the proper response. I think the system needs to stop being so god damn prison oriented because it doesn't work, and everybody should have equal treatment more near where "rich Ivy league" students are.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it a pretty common idea around here that "Men don't need to be taught to not rape?" You can't blame his actions on young ignorance - he's 18, not 8, and he was perfectly aware of what he was doing.

Again, I don't consider what he did to be rape. Everything leading up to that point would lead one to believe they were gonna go home and bang. He made a poor judgement call while also very drunk himself(so obviously NOT perfectly aware of what he was doing), and he was punished for it. Fairly so, aside from the massive public shitstorm. Legally I think he got a more than fair sentence.

If I can hold a guy responsible while being drunk, then I'm going to hold the girl responsible as well. She 100% played a part in this, so we just disagree.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

she went with Brock and was planning on sleeping with him anyway

...seriously? "She was gonna say yes, anyway, which means it isn't rape."

Fuck's sake, this isn't a gender issue, that's Rape 101.

[–]griffeny -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's really fucking hard to have good productive discussions about men's right issues when shit like that gets dropped. What the hell.

[–]EgoandDesire 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, its hard to have a discussion about a sensitive topic when people like you immediately jump to hysterics about it. See Tepidatious comment here for why I said what I did

[–]griffeny -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

See the attitude there isn't making discussions any easier for anyone.

[–]TexasTango 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So a junkie med student hmm Yeah I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want her giving me surgery, And I wouldn't call her "bright" seeing as she's probably thrown it all away because of her temper. Karma

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't see her drug mentioned. I wonder if that meant it is prescribed to her so is covered under medical confidentiality.

Junkie means opiates. There is a long history of doctors managing an opiate addiction for decades while performing well at work. It is often mentioned in drug enforcement policy, to say that the atrocious behaviour of junkies is not an inevitable result of the drug, it is an interaction between the addiction and the social, legal and economic environment.

This is just speculation, but "a very troubled life" and a lack of emotional regulation and a prescription drug addiction, if it is that, all makes me think of benzodiazepines.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is amazing. I can now go out and stab anyone I want cause I can code. That's an extraordinary talent right? Great way to set precedence...

[–]timeforknowledge 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Judge Pringle was told Woodward had become addicted to drugs and had previously been in an abusive relationship with a previous boyfriend.

Yeah and now she is abusing another boyfriend in a new relationship

[–]Attcus 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She does have "Extraordinary talent." If she can do that with a butter knife just imagine what she could do with a scalpel.

[–]UDT22 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If the sexes were reversed, the guy would be in the joint for about 15 to 20 years.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Woodward lacked premeditation and the specific intent to cause GBH so she was charged of "unlawful wounding", which has a maximum of five years. The injury at least broke the skin and released one drop of blood. Nothing else about its severity is known except it was a single stab and did not cause GBH, defined as "really serious harm".

The blog below by a UK barrister has a good analysis of the little which is known and the relevant law. You will notice that public comments on the case almost without exception are based on ignorance of the basic principles of law involved; and ignorance of the specific relevant law applying to her charge; and ignorance of the other laws which might have been candidates for charging her; and ignorance of the few public facts; and invention of specific details without foundation. For example the stabbing could have been anything from a scratch which barely broke the skin, up to a single wound just short of grievous bodily harm. Yet hardly anyone considers the less-serious possibiity.

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2017/05/16/an-oxford-medical-student-stabbed-her-boyfriend-with-a-bread-knife-so-why-is-she-not-going-to-prison/

[–]UDT22 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for the info

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not in the UK. Crazy long sentences are a US thing.

[–]EricAllonde 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Explain this, then:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6bhdhl/how_often_does_a_man_stab_someone_and_get_off/dhmqtxu/

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is 10 years paroled after six years, not 15-20 years.

And it is for a much more serious crime involving premeditation, preparation of a weapon wrapped to not show fingerprints, numerous full-strength stabs to the chest and neck with a six inch kitchen knife, and a very credible threat to another person.

[–]UDT22 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yes and the USA has more people in prison than China. It's a growth industry. Both my son in law and his son in law work in a local federal prison

[–]starkillerrx 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Good idea, let the psychotic murderer pursue a career on medicine.

That will definitely not backfire.

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She's neither psychotic nor a murderer, and has demonstrated extraordinary ability in the field.
Someone in this thread who knows many surgeons comments that they are not typically the most pleasant of people, but this does not stop them from being superb surgeons. Look at Dr House FFS, how many people has he saved? Huh?

Medicine is difficult and takes an enormous amount of training. She is 24 and not even finished university yet. Then there will be more years of professional study. We are not exaclty over-supplied with people capable of getting through that and doing a good job as surgeons, which is why their hourly rate is so exorbitant.

I have lived with several medical students and have known a few specialists throughout their careers. The workload is brutal, their ability and dedication is awesome. It is a waste to throw such people aside just because they got a little stabby when drunk as a student.

[–]starkillerrx 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

1) She stabbed someone.

2) Dr. House is fictional, and his creator already said he's supposed to be a terrible role model.

3) SHE.

STABBED.

SOMEONE.

[–]srbsask 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she gets out of stabbing someone because she is really skilled with a knife?

[–]lillbich 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I know this is the point but imagine if she was a guy, who stabbed his girlfriend and got off because he was smart

[–]double-happiness 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just by comparison, a guy I know got sent down for two months for selling two ecstasy pills. And he wasn't even a habitual dealer, he just got them 'on request' for someone.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, ah, she was "abused in another relationship". She is not guilty, society and we men are the culprits in this story. We with our shady strategies molded and transformed this would-be-surgeon-to-cure-heart-disease in a monster, albeit just for a minute or two, and ruined her brilliant unknown career.

[–]timeforknowledge 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unbelievable. Disgusting.

Picture this, her boyfriend drunk and on drugs, threw a laptop, glass, and jam jar at her, then lunged at her with a bread knife stabbing her in the leg.

He would be vilified locked up and forgotten about.

[–]Rethgil 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Amazing how many feminist lurkers there are here today. Any story that they know is going to unify anti feminism or the MRA, and suddenly a whole bunch of fem lurker trolls pop up on the appropriate sub. See how many you can spot.

Then report them to the mods as we've been asked to repeatedly.

[–]Ransal 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So is she actually talented or is she another AA slot at the University and Feminists are trying to pull "if you put her in prison it'll harm the quotas we want for women, which will harm future women" as being her "talent".

[–]gk3coloursred 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She studies at Oxford. Money and 'breeding' are what gets you there, talent only helps.

[–]raff97 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You're talking out of your arse. This isnt america where you can get your parents to donate to Harvard and get you a place. Not to mention she topped her year.

Not arguing she isnt crazy, but shes certainly talented

[–]gk3coloursred 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

While she is clearly intelligent it is not intelligence alone that gets you into Oxbridge. I know nothing of the American University system, so can't comment there. To get into Oxbridge is far from easy, but money and connections help hugely. Not in the blatant "Here is money, get her in" you suggest, but in terms of the incredible "assistance" that having gone to one of the elite schools prior to your uni application. Be that Eton or wherever, having gone to a top school previously makes it far easier to get in. And to get to those Elite schools very often takes more than just money. Who you are often matters least as much, if not more (though obviously ability to pay is also a prerequisite). That's why idiots like Boris can get where he does, why so many politicians and heads of industry go through a known chain of schools and Uni's before settling into their lofty positions, just as family did before them. Who you know, where you come from (socially, not geographically) + money + intellect is how to get in. And when you have the (required) money for the best of private education it makes getting the grades to pass that part of the criteria much easier. That said, if your connections are strong enough you can get some crazy "leeway" on required scores.

[–]JebberJabber 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Getting medical research papers published before even graduating? I'd guess that's evidence of a lot more than just talent alone.

[Edit: she was first author on two, which meant she did most of the work]

[+]ColorMeOffended points 9 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Wow sounds like a similar dynamic to Brock Turner (yes I know she's not a rapist), and I hated that judge's decision and explanation for it. I guess in both cases, the judges took a rehabilitation approach versus a punishment one, a misstep in my eyes in both situations.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Stabbing someone in the leg (in addition to throwing objects at the victim) is much worse than what Turner did.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Next time you should clarify what he actually did if you're gonna say stuff like this. People have no clue about the circumstances of the case and just assume he actually just stumbled upon her behind a dumpster and started banging her.

You're definitely right, but people don't know why.

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

stabbing in the leg is worse than what Turner did

What Turner did was rape. So:

stabbing in the leg is worse than [rape]

Seriously?

[–]Ultramegasaurus 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

He used his finger. Would you rather have your ass fingered or a knife rammed into your leg while someone throws glass jars in your face?

[+]xthorgoldx points 9 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

So, failing to justify "knife stabbing as worse than rape," you resort to "Well, there are varying degrees of rape, and that one wasn't as bad."

Fucking ridiculous.

[–]Ultramegasaurus 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever man, I know I'd rather have someone finger me than getting stabbed. Especially since I was already glassed in the face and almost went blind.

[–]BlackBoxInquiry 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What if someone were to do the same to her and they had the same talent?

Could they get out of legal trouble because they're "special"?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The extraordinary talent of having a vagina. Wow.

[–]Raising_Cain 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So she takes an oath to protect life until she gets tired of that stuff

[–]ENTP 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lets feed that narcissistic borderline ego some more, why don't we?

[–]the_unseen_one 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How fucking talented would a man have to be to be excused of stabbing his girlfriend? He would have to be our only hope facing a genocide or war with aliens or some shit, AND be world famous to be let off if he did that. And yet she's a no name student and is probably going to get off.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This one easy trick to help avoid prison....

Have a vagina.

[–]aazo5 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

"She's unlikely to become a surgeon"

Umm I don't think there should even be a chance of her becoming a surgeon after this.

[–]cRaZyDaVe23 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't know... she appears to be comfortable with the sight of blood, hallmark of a good surgeon right 'chere.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Many surgeons have psychopathic tendencies, too (yes they do, for example in a stressful situations the emotions won't take over which is important for a surgeon who's doing demanding operations).

[–]zfighter18 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This was pretty emotional on her part. I wouldn't attribute this to psychopathic tendencies.

[–]Retromind 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I refuse to believe this

[–]CptFizz 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much every time I read such a story it's from the UK. What's the legal situation there? Are judges free to do whatever they want or do they have laws?

[–]alcockell 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Prosecution guidelines got put in which asked QCs to be lenient - because vagina, apparently.

[–]EricAllonde 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The head of the Criminal Prosecution Service (CPS) is a crazy feminist with some wacky ideas.

Remember Mark Pearson, the guy hauled into court on the allegation that he groped an actress on a busy subway station platform, despite being surrounded by dozens of people? Right from the start, the CPS knew there was CCTV footage showing that he walked right past the woman in half a second and never touched her. Lots of people were wondering how CPS could make such an incompetent decision to bring a clearly, provably false case to trial.

Well, the previous year the feminist head of the CPS publicly promised a 25% increase in the number of sexual assault cases brought to trial.

Note that no one could guarantee that there would be 25% more good cases to prosecute, but nonetheless she committed to that specific figure. My guess is they were desperate for more cases to prosecute in order to reach their numerical target and when they scraped the bottom of the barrel, Mark Pearson's case was there.

[–]Bestoftherest222 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

You know what doesn't make sense? How will she get to be a surgeon with an attempted murder investigation in her back ground. Hell doesn't her losing her cool and going crazy disqualify her from the running to be more than a General practitioner?

[–]JebberJabber 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing has been released about the injury, it could be anything from a scratch up to something not quite serious enough to qualify for GBH. Her charge has a maximum penalty of five years.

There is a more serious charge, malicious wounding with intenet to cause GBH , or something like that. But she did not meet the criteria for that.

Attempted murder is not a possibility.

[–]mcavvacm 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Irresponsible actions no longer have consequences. If you have a vagina that is.

[–]magicalraven 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"White male privilege"

[–]dedasdude 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She has gone girl eyes

[–]Sbeast 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The judge (Ian Pringle) must be either sexist or classist, and a violent individual will be free to attack again.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

...and because the judge got a boner.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Christ Church College

WWJD? Stab a muthafucka, apparently.

[–]Mythandros 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hate when criminals are given a pussy pass. It doesn't matter how intelligent she is.. She stabbed a dude with a knife. She's a criminal and should not be above the law. She needs to go to jail.

[–]oliverburns18 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hopefully this man appeals the decision

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think it should even be considered assault because women have been oppressed for centuries. Men are the one who have power. Just think how much of an asshole that man should be for making the woman angry. Women are such oppressed fragile things I can't imagine the mental agony she has gone through now. Women are oppressed. Women are oppressed. Say this hundred times. Otherwise you're a misogynist and a rape apologist.

[–]guillemqv 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf, that must be a joke

[–]Rethgil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is how bad female privilege in the UK has become now. Not even joking.

[–]Vangotten 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Im speechless,what in the actual fuck.

[–]Stunner900 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Easy solution, death penalty

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

.uk

Britain is a silly place devoid of logic...

[–]Regnes -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They don't offer a lot of details about the case itself, but it is a tricky situation. The damage the conviction would do to her career far exceeds the punishment intended for such a crime. I don't think she should get off easy all the same, if she's going to avoid jail time, she needs other consequences to be weighted.

[–]EricAllonde 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ever heard of this:

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the time".

No judge lets men off the hook because jail time might harm their careers; we should not do that for violent female criminals either.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/6bhdhl/how_often_does_a_man_stab_someone_and_get_off/dhmqtxu/

[–]JebberJabber -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In NZ it is not uncommon for men to avoid the normal sentence because the harm to their career would constitute a much bigger punishment than was intended by the sentencing guidelines. More commonly rich white men, but poor brown men get off too.
I imagine the same sentencing principles apply in other English-based legal systems.

[–]QuasiQwazi -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

White women all have a get out of jail card.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She ... had been abused by another former partner, her defence lawyer told the court.

What a surprise! /s

[+]aznsniperx3 points 9 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean she was abused from a previous partner. I'm not defending her action but that could mess up anyone.

[–]obliviousZom 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm going to play a bit of devil's advocate here and wonder how much of the past abuse might have been instigated by her? If this isn't her first time assaulting a significant other, it's possible that the last partner retaliated instead of just taking it. Personally I think we need more information on the past relationship before we consider it as a factor IMO

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure "abuse" just means the guy didn't curl up into a ball and cry when she assaulted him.

[–]mwobuddy 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean she was abused from a previous partner.

Show us proof.

I'm not defending her action but that could mess up anyone.

If you know right from wrong, you're expected to exercise it. You know, how we treat men at all times?

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