ARMY SUED OVER PLAN TO PUT WOMEN ON FRONT LINES OF COMBAT Would face 'brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear'

garglemesh42 · 2015-04-04T22:25:35+00:00

If they can meet the same physical requirements men have to, let them fight! Let them face the brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear that men have shielded them from since before recorded history.

We all want equality and this is part of it. Equal rights, equal responsibilities. I'm not going to feel sorry for them just because they're women and they might have to face the same situations that our male soldiers have always had to face.

BarneyBent · 2015-04-05T02:24:45+00:00

That's a horribly misleading headline. It's an FOI lawsuit, filed by people concerned that standards may be dropped in order to accommodate women on the front line.

blueoak9 · 2015-04-05T00:45:35+00:00

"“Obtaining the documents asked for in the lawsuits will allow Elaine Donnelly to analyze the safety and effectiveness of allowing women in the infantry and provide its findings and analysis to the public and to the military at a crucial point in time,” ...."

Elaine Donnelly, the same busybody civilian who was a total Cassandra about how repealing DADT would destroy military readiness. Not a day in her life in uniform, but she knew better than anyone.

Women would face "brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear."? Why not? Is that someone's else's responsibility?

Welcome to full citizenship, at long, long last.

_pluto_ · 2015-04-05T03:48:00+00:00

If, by some act of magic, every front line combat unit in the world could be made 50% female, war would disappear over night.

Same with the dangerous jobs. Make them 50% female and safety standards would become top of the line in every industry (at least for nations that could afford it -- I wouldn't expect much from a country like Bangladesh).

Don't believe me?

Look at the varying responses to the treatment of workers in late 19th/early 20th C. America. For decades, men were being slaughtered by the hundreds simply for trying to unionize. No one batted an eye. In 1907, several hundred men were killed in a mine explosion. Meh.

Then, the Ludlow massacre. Women and children living in a tent encampment for striking miners are burnt alive. The entire nation erupts in protest. Members of the national guard refuse to participate in future offensives, stating that they would not attack women and children. Rockefeller's image is shattered. He is forced to pour huge amounts of money into the Rockefeller Foundation to rescue his public image. The modern PR industry is born.

If feminists are serious about helping men with their issues, or just creating a more humane society, the best thing they can do is demand 50% representation in all of the most dangerous fields. Never mind more female CEO's or politicians. It won't change anything. Men already cater to women over men. But put women in danger and society will clean up its act right quick. Somehow, I don't see feminists pursuing this strategy...

NeedzRehab · 2015-04-05T06:33:36+00:00

I usually don't message here, but as an active duty military member, this is my perspective on the matter: I don't want anyone in combat with me if they can't pull me out if I get hurt. Plain and simple. That goes for guys as well as girls. If I get my leg shot off or blown up, I want someone who can pull me out of the line of fire. I don't care about sex or race or religion, at that point all I care about is living. I don't want a guy who can't carry my 200lb ass out of the line of fire, just the same as I don't want a girl that can't pull me out. If a girl can pull me out, then let her fight. War is not a fucking joke, it's not a place for "Oh she's a girl, she shouldn't have to be on the front lines!" or "Oh, she's a girl, she's equal to men and therefore should get the chance to fight with the men!" No. Fuck that shit. I have to be able to trust that the Marine to my left and right, regardless of gender, can do their job and help me if I get hurt. That's the only thing that fucking matters in a firefight.

FinleytheHuman · 2015-04-05T12:14:35+00:00

I believe that men should not be forced to fight war. Women should take the reigns. They are smarter, stronger and can do anything a man can do, and better while in heels. This nation needs a total revamp of it's military to eradicate men and their toxic masculinity from it entirely, being replaced by women... then it will be men who are 'the primary victims of war' having to live with the injury, death and dismemberment of their wives, girlfriends, daughters, sisters, mothers, etc.

thedarkerside · 2015-04-05T02:18:47+00:00

Well the solution is pretty clearly, bypass that horrible grund phase and just promote them straight to five star generals. You know, for equality. /s

Frittern · 2015-04-05T05:11:18+00:00

It's not about danger our fear, I think one of the most dangerous military jobs in Iraq and Afghanistan was being a truck driver and women could do that.

Combat Arms is different because the physical nature of Infantry,artillery and armor you just have to muscle some heavy shit. As long as the standards are exactly same it would be fine but that's not what happens they always lower the physical requirements for women because only a few exceptional women have the physical ability to do the tasks these positions demand.

These are heavy labor intensive activities. Have you ever seen a women digging a ditch, roofing or climbing a tree with boot spikes and a chainsaw? No law keeps them from this kinda physical dirty work the work itself keeps women away. It's dirty and physically demanding and nearly no women on the entire planet seem to want to do it.

wazzup987 · 2015-04-05T14:52:07+00:00

Would face 'brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear'

Tough shit

heimdahl81 · 2015-04-04T23:18:16+00:00

If one woman isn't as effective in combat as one man then just use more women. I'm sick of men doing all the dying. Women need to pull their weight.

Bohndage · 2015-04-05T08:41:24+00:00

A good buddy at work is a vet of the current shenanigans. He speaks highly of some female soldiers, but has an amazing contempt for the skyrocketing pregnancies that come up when deployment gets brought into the scene. And female Generals that have never been under fire denying bombardment of dug in insurgents. I'm glad I'm a coward.

overtmind · 2015-04-05T03:59:12+00:00

Former infantry Marine here: Keep women out of combat oriented roles at all costs. They don't behave the same, they aren't treated the same, and they just aren't the same.

I don't need to get my people killed because you can't do your duties because you have 'female issues' and your pussy cramps prevent you from humping 10 miles. Fuck off, seriously.

I saw so many females be lazy excuses for service members while in garrison, most of whom where the laughing stock of their units because they were passed around like barracks rats. Wookies.

Argh

Collective82 · 2015-04-05T01:43:39+00:00

14 years in the service here. Keep them out. We don't need them there. Their bodies are built much weaker than ours. Their bones fracture easier and their muscles aren't sense like ours. It will cost us more men and degrade our foghting force to much to let them in.

Let's say you have 50 people in an infantry unit.

6 are in command positions such that they don't pull guard

9 more would be supervisors and might pull guard

3 are the companies paper pushers. That's 18/50. Which means 32 to do the grunt work.

Now let's say 20% are female. That's just 10 soldiers right? No big deal.

Now when those ten go down for stress fractures, pulled muscles, bodily infections due to unsanitary conditions, it leaves you with 22 soldiers to do guard and missions. You'd be non operational.

The average foghting load weighs over 40 lbs and up to 60. That's almost half of some of their weight, which would destroy their bodies.

So please keep them off the front lines, it's a bad idea.

Thesushilife · 2015-04-05T03:44:44+00:00

The article is deeper than just standards. What I fear is that when people who aren't ready to see horrible things are going to risk the lives of everyone in their unit.

EverlastingThrowaway · 2015-04-05T04:10:52+00:00

Also known as "war."

awwwwyehmutherfurk · 2015-04-05T15:54:00+00:00

This is fucking clickbait, the article says they're doing the lawsuit because they're concerned that the DoD is planning on just lowering training standards so women can get in, this would both degrade effectiveness but also disadvantage the women by forcing them into combat without proper training. I get the impression that the people filing the lawsuit would rather it stay all male rather than lower standards.

It's also clickbaity because the lawsuit is just for freedom of information. The way the title is read it makes it sound like they're suing the army for money or filing some discrimination law suit. No, they're just trying to get access to the documents.

lombaki · 2015-04-05T16:09:57+00:00

Women in the U.S. crying oppression for the possibility of having to fight ISIS (and horrors of manspreading of course), meanwhile in the Middle East women as young as 15 proudly pick up guns and fight for their homes and face that horror every day.

robinson217 · 2015-04-05T16:27:16+00:00

First off, the thumbnail is of a MARINE, not a soldier. The Marine Corps has already put females in front line position, albeit not infantry. I personally know a female Staff Sergeant with a combat action ribbon.

Here is the problem with females: yes, there are some (maybe 5%) that can actually suck it up and do their job. But even the top 5% of females don't match up to the bottom 5% of males physically. Sally may have a great attitude, she may know her job inside and out, and she may even be able to run a first class PFT. But when it comes to hauling my wounded 6'3, 215 lb ass out of a bad situation, I'll take Lance Corporal Joe D. Fuckup.

People wonder why sexuall assault is suddenly a huge deal in the military. Nobody is talking about how females have been thrust into the fold so heavily over the last 30 years. You take a bunch of 18 to 24 year olds and put them alone together for weeks and months on end. Of course the girls get passed around. And most of them like it until they don't and that's when a report gets filed. SUCKS to be the guy that made her realize she was "raped".

(I know some girls really do get raped, but from what I've seen, most cases start with "I was drunk and I started kissing him and I gave him a little head that all! Then he assumed just because I was naked and rubbing myself that he could fuck me! I feel used!")

Unenjoyed · 2015-04-05T16:59:43+00:00

New laws are typically tested in court. If the new practices were constructed correctly, then the courts will uphold them.

All caps notwithstanding.

Caprious · 2015-04-05T17:11:20+00:00

Uh...it's fucking optional. Pick a paper pusher job if you don't want to go on the front lines. For fucks sake. It's like feminists don't realize that women choose to do this shit. They scream and carry on about this shit while these women said "hey, I wanna do that". So what are they really even bitching about in the end?

GenderNeutralLanguag · 2015-04-05T23:18:28+00:00

Misleading title much? The suit is not over the plan to put women on the front lines. It's is over a freedom of information act request for the details of that plan. The suit is not about stopping the plan, but getting information to watch dog groups so that they can see if there are human rights violations in the plan. I support the freedom of Information act.

Dirty_Delta · 2015-04-05T15:13:17+00:00

I don't see this lawsuit going anywhere. Its an all volunteer force right now and none of them are forced into line units

Title	ARMY SUED OVER PLAN TO PUT WOMEN ON FRONT LINES OF COMBAT Would face 'brutal and violent death, injury, horror and fear'
Author	joewilson-MRA
Upvotes	460
Comments	109
Date	April 4, 2015 10:13 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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