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why do i see average guys with average girls outside and online all the time

August 15, 2022
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Like this video says, it's actually more likely to see an average guy than a chad outside : https://youtu.be/65HrtrS0mTE

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Title why do i see average guys with average girls outside and online all the time
Author kokorwqac
Upvotes 6
Comments 47
Date August 15, 2022 6:23 AM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]Liberated_Asexual 12 points13 points  (41 children) | Copy Link

This "go look outside" argument is one of the most intellectually lazy and dishonest arguments out there. We have population level data now showing many significant trends:

  • male sexlessness has peaked and is growing
  • male virginity has peaked and is growing
  • half of all singles aren't even looking for a relationship

[–]kokorwqac[S] 5 points6 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

We actually have new stats: female sexlessness is also rising and male sexlessness isn't as bad as in 2018: https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/wa8o0z/study_female_sexlessness_is_also_rising/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

You guys never look at updated stats do you

[–]Liberated_Asexual 5 points6 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

Because the statistic largely doesn't prove anything? Women will:

  • lie about how much sex they have (they were questioned in the middle of the pandemic — it would be an assumption of guilt to confirm they had sex without a readily available partner)
  • don't desire sex as much/have a much lower libido
  • were not having sex due to being worried about COVID (point number one)

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

You say women will lie but what gives them any incentive to lie more than they did in 80's? If anything things like feminism and sex work is normalized more compared to the past.

The stat also shows male sexlessness actually fell down

[–]Liberated_Asexual 1 point2 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it dipped a little bit for under 35 y/o's.

General trend still is what it is.

[–]EviessVeralan 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

It's convenient that when women are experiencing sexlessness they must be lying.

[–]Taipanshimshon 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nah. For * most women the sexlessness is a choice.

For * most men it's not.

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And men won't do any of those things?

[–]MarBitt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks!

[–]RStonePTRedPill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's grounded, and ensures people aren't living in a fantasy world full of lying statistics, cognitive bias, and abstract ideas that don't hold up to scrutiny.

[–]IHateNormis 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Mostly tall and/or white

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

He showed a lot of ethnics and a few that were shorter than their girlfriend

[–]IHateNormis 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Overwhelming majority were tall and/or white. Token exception ethnics added for effect

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most men in uk are white and most men are also taller than average woman

[–]IHateNormis 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes but being tall and white is seen as a premium and not “average”

[–]Search-United 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

So what you're question

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

%90 of the internet think only chads or 7ft guys date

[–]jasonology09 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because people who subscribe to this pill nonsense need excuses as to why they don't have dating success.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also people on this sub talk like dinosaurs, i've heard them say nerdiness implies inceldom and i'm like wtf %80 of younsters now play video games and watch anime

Or that east asian guys aren't liked, even though i have friends with fetish despite barely going outside

It's like they are stuck in 2006, im not saying zoomers don't have their own problems but those people talk like old people

[–]Search-United 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well it is not true to be chad takes a lot of self-improvement and work so of course not every girl can or will have one since there so rare. But am willing bet most girl will drop there average due for a chad or Top G. Which is to be expected

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

🤣🤣Being “Chad” has nothing to do with “self-improvement”. Either you have bone or not

[–]Search-United 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What you mean

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

%90 of the internet think only chads or 7ft guys date

The internet? Gonna need a source for that because it’s cat videos that account for 84 percent of Internet traffic

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You very well know what i mean, a lot of those will spout that dating app bs

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It depends on your algorithm. Blackpill rhetoric is trending higher in terms of “shock” content, but it’s far from the dominant online conversations around dating.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm blackpilled, and that's not at all what I think. I seriously doubt 90% of the internet has such a distorted perspective.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

With all the average NT men I see out there with gfs, sometimes I wonder if my gymcelling and leanmaxxing is actually hurting my dating marketplace value. Like maybe girls who are below my looks level on the dating apps think I'm just a fuckboy and so don't take me very seriously while the girls at my looks level either want Chad or think I'm too autistic and socially awkward/anxious for them. Because I find that the more I gymcel and leanmaxx, the harder it is for me to date. It's ridiculous. I am in the best shape of my life and am finding it harder and harder to attract women. I have been on Grindr to meet TS/CD girls and have got hit on by tons of cismen including Chad, Brad and Tyrone. I know I'm handsome. But women on the apps are just so fucking picky. Men are so fucking horny by a mile. It's not even close.

[–]Search-United 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro as you rise girls you want is harder to catch but also harder for others to obtain. Much like how as you lift more you get stronger but your weight keeps getting heavier.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ntpills the most legitpill

Also women like prettyboy these days muscle doesn't effect much

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ntpills the most legitpill

That would explain why I struggle so much since I was diagnosed with autism as a child. It's not like I am incel. But I struggle a lot with dating and relationships. It takes a lot of tries for me to find someone I click with.

Also women like prettyboy these days muscle doesn't effect much

My muscle mass % is high but I am walking around fairly light these days. I weighed in at 138.2 lbs tonight after working out and 140.2 lbs yesterday on my muscle recovery day. My diet is killing me so I don't plan on remaining this light long term. But I have no plans on bulking up too much either. I miss eating more in general and eating sweets and snacks. But I don't think I can go back to the days where I was 160+ lbs. I want to dirty bulk so bad because then that means I get to EAT. lol. But I know that too much muscle, especially at my height, is not a good look. My ex dated me when I was 160+ lbs. I wish we were together. I could EAT, dirty bulk and she would love it. lol. She is into the muscular look.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Any particular reason why your ex was into the muscular look, but you say a lot of muscle at your height isn't a good look?

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen women say that short men bulking up is "overcompensating". And having a lot of width when you don't have a lot of height doesn't look good physically. However when I expressed these concerns to my ex, she says, "no, I'd rather you put on muscle than lose weight. It would turn me on."

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Do you have like more muscles? In my area, woman avoid that.Women are judged by their looks while guys for only jobs.Some woman want to be good looking one as they think it is only for woman and men are visual while she wants guy just be fit with average face. One woman broke up with her bf just because her aunt said he is better looking than her.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

My muscle mass % is in the high range for a man my age I think (apparently 39.5-44.1% is considered high for 18-40 men. And 44.2+% is very high). But I don't have a lot of mass on me. I'm lean. I could compete in the UFC Bantamweight division without having to spend a lot of time in the sauna. I'm that light. I'm 5'6" so I know a lot of people are going to say that is a death sentence.

Muscle Recovery Day Stats Thursday night: 139.6 lbs, 14.5% body fat, 42.6% muscle mass, 60.8% water weight, 6.0 lbs bone mass.

Post-workout tonight (likely dehydrated so potentially less accurate reading): 138.2 lbs, 13.0% body fat, 43.8% muscle mass, 62.7% water weight, 6.2 lbs bone mass.

The thing is, the average woman may be shorter than me. But the average woman is likely bigger than me now. I used to be 168.2 lbs @ 29% body fat at one point. I'm still not done leanmaxxing. I don't have six-pack abs yet. I don't plan on bulking up until I get hard abs.

[–]CoverYourAwrahMaroon Pill 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If you’re 5’6, keep those muscles. It’ll be your saving grace.

[–]alienamongnormiesBlackPill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you’re 5’6, keep those muscles. It’ll be your saving grace.

My top priority is to get hard abs and I might have to go down further in weight in order to get there. And in the process of cutting, I might have to sacrifice some of my raw muscle mass. But hopefully not. And if I have to, hopefully not to much. I have more raw muscle mass at 138.2 lbs (60.5 lbs) than when I was 168.2 lbs back in February (58.4 lbs muscle) when I was clinically obese (29% body fat is clinically obese. Anything over 25% in your 30s is I think. Though the BMI measure showed that I was merely overweight. BMI is imperfect. By BMI standards, 5'6" 138.2 lbs is healthy weight but not exactly lean. But 14.5% body fat is low for my size).

Once I get six-pack abs, or at least hard abs, I want to bulk up a bit. I'm tired of eating <1500 calories per day for nearly 2 months straight with very few cheat days. I could really go for nutella on fresh bread (carbs on carbs!) and down a vanilla whey protein milkshake made with actual milk and not water. Or cheese puffs. Sour cream & Onion potato chips. Swedish meatballs with pasta and gravy sauce. Pizza. I miss being able to eat how I want. Problem is I have a natural skinny fat endomorph physique. So its counterproductive to bulk up before getting rid of my stubborn lower belly fat. It seems like my lower belly fat distribution is genetic.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow.Still woman reject it!

[–]jasonology09 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody gives a fuck about your muscles and body fat %. As long as you look reasonably fit you're fine. If your having trouble with women it has something to do with how you're talking to them.

[–]ManWazoA poly Chad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

maybe girls who are below my looks level on the dating apps think I'm just a fuckboy

You could be clear on your profile and say you're looking for something serious. Being honest is always a good strategy

[–]litgas 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Straight men in general do poorly on apps no matter what. That said stuff like good pictures and profile will help. More so where you live can also play a factor. As if the population of men is equal or greater than women you going to have a hard time where as if women out number men you have a slightly better time. Also certain apps are going to be more popular than others depending on where you live.

[–]decoy88A Black Dude♂️ 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because most people are average?

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This doesn't surprise me though because people tend to date someone similar to them in terms of looks and personality.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh

[–]Comfortable-Unit-897 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because Chads are either in the gym, shopping for product, or primping for most of their day. Average dudes are out there swooning the ladies. I know a bunch of average guys, that have awesome SO’s. They all worked their asses off to get them.

[–]BumblingBeta 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In my experience, Chads mostly go out at night, or to concerts, festivals and so on. I've been to nightclubs occasionally on a Saturday night and they are filled with tall, muscular, good looking men. I have wondered to myself "damn where have all these men been hiding during the day?".

Many Chads spend quite a lot of time in the gym too. I see many Chads in the gym I go to. They need to lift weights to get their good body.

Now with Tinder and dating apps, many of them must be having a lot of sex with random girls. You don't need to be outside for that. It feels like there is a secret world out there where a minority of good looking men are enjoying huge quantities of sex. If the Pareto Principle holds true, the top 1-5% of men must be having a fuckton of sex.

[–]nicethingyoucanthave 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Forget couples for a minute and just consider the following question: if you sorted men by women's combined assessment of their attractiveness, then you took a random sample of men walking down the street, what percentage of men would you expect to see who are in the top 20% of attractiveness?

If your answer is, "20%" then okay, that's a hypothesis you could test.

Hypothesis: "20% of men are 'top 20%' so therefore if I sit on a street corner and watch people walk by, 20% of the men I see will be 'top 20%'"

I don't think your hypothesis is correct - I think that attractiveness carries over into other areas of life, and (depending on the street corner and the time of day) I think that the number of people you actually see will vary.

This is called selection bias and it's very important that you guard against it when you do statistical sampling. You've probably heard the story of how pollsters were calling people (landlines - not cell phones) during the daytime to ask their opinions on stuff. Well, it turns out that when you call people during the daytime, you are selecting for people who (a) have phones and (b) don't work so they're at home during the day.

The next thing you have to be careful about is cherry picking. Do you know for sure that the video you linked to is a full list of the people who walked past the camera? Or did the person who made the video filter it to make the point he wanted to make?

The next thing is, you don't actually know if all these people are dating. How many of them are simps taking their """best friend""" out for coffee (and listening to her whine about how chad never calls)?

Next, consider this: TRP doesn't say that chads date - the 80/20 rule is about sex. How many of these "couples" are in """open relationships""" (which means she's banging dudes on the side and he's a cuck)?

Frankly, if the 80/20 rule was true - let's just assume it was true for a moment - I would absolutely expect to still see plenty of normie guys out on the street during the daytime with dumpy-looking girls. I don't think this is an objective slice of human sexuality.

[–]Admirable_Bee_8714 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men and women are average.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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