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[–]mammajess 93 points94 points95 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
My husband and I have been trapped in separate states for months and he does not provide me money and I have been unable to have sex with him. Strangely, we still love each other.
Seriously though, like I don't want to be religious about this I'm sure you understand this can be taken metaphorically but DO THESE MEN MAVE SOULS? They seem like heartless, inhuman monsters to me LOL
[–]LunaLoveGood22916 29 points30 points31 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol seriously, they seem to be soulless demons.
[–]mammajess 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm *this* far from starting to subscribe to the concept of spiritual warfare and speaking in tongues to drive out the evil hoards LOL
[–]LunaLoveGood22916 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lmfaooooooooo. I just spit out my tea laughing at this. I'll bring the holy oil and my mom's prayer circle. It's going to be a tough one!
[–]mammajess 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
XD
[–]This-Wasabi-3152 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Men like him is the reason why I wish the internet would at least require proof of credentials to post advice instead of letting anyone post advice. This is very damaging to society.
[–]mammajess 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a great idea :)
[–]Big-Bonkin-Head 13 points14 points15 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Long distance? Don’t let Red Pill see that love can still be strong across states. They’ll assume you’re on the “Dick Carousel” getting fucked everyday by random dudes.
[–]mammajess 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm getting fucked by Chad right now! :P
[–]Big-Bonkin-Head 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy wins 😞💔🔓😿
[–]AcanthocephalaNo9441 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m sex-repulsed, refused to f..k my first boyfriend when I was 18 and he knew I’d never even kissed anyone, but he still assumed that talking to male strangers meant I was definitely also f..king them 🤔 🙄🤮🤮
[–]Big-Bonkin-Head 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh-
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
My guess would be that they have all been traumatized in some way, and emotionally shut down. I don't bond with people and my parents were abusive.
It doesn't mean that their views are totally wrong though, or that many people are what we might call shallow. Just that they are more irritated by it or notice it more perhaps.
[–]atman714 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Sex isn't even the main reason most people get into a relationship lmao. You can have plenty of sex while single. Who can honestly read this tweet and go, "oh yeah, this makes sense"??
[–]mega-x88 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People who are haven't had the best luck with females or really still being a Virgin in your 20s (which isn't even bad). Tbh the whole red pill movement is around the stigma of being a virgin and can't having sex
[–]AcanthocephalaNo9441 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because men want girlfriends for a reason other than having someone to rape? Righto…
[–]PrestigiousLibrary80 55 points56 points57 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Cute saying, Rich. Can you cite your statistics on that?
What he means is that if HE took away money HE would have nothing to offer women.
[–]mammajess 23 points24 points25 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
EXACTLY!!!!!! In both my long term relationships there were times I helped my male partner financially. Because you're supposed to be a team. Not sex worker and John. These men are literally ruining heterosexuality, like any scraps of beauty people have worked so hard to salvage from heterosexuality over the last 100 years these men are just collecting and setting on fire.
[–]atman714 19 points20 points21 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because you're supposed to be a team. Not sex worker and John.
Very well said! It's hard core projection. They want their women to essentially be sex workers, so they assume that's how it is in all relationships.
[–]Terrible-Ad3405 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also that HE only values sex in a relationship. Instead of the human being. They always put it in a way to make women look bad, it’s funny.
[–]xvszero 39 points40 points41 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My wife makes more than me, she doesn't need my money lol.
[–]KunntangGang 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well according to him you are a beta cuck. That’s not my words that’s his :/
[–]pajamapants117 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
RC and TRP always remind me of the proverb about the donkey and the tiger...
[–]HGW86 25 points26 points27 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The alpha incel!
[–]ChocolatChipLemonade 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What an oxymoron!
[–]pertante 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He could be the chad of incels.
could be? Likely is...
[–]Snoo52682 20 points21 points22 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
How do RP'ers account for people in same-sex relationships, I always wonder.
[–]Yesm3can 14 points15 points16 points 2 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
When I was still avid reader of that subreddit, they either reacted dismissively at best or rather hostile at worst, to some wandering gay men who were asking if TRP methods would have worked on men too. And comments about not associating with LGBTQ+ people (or downright avoiding them, but always started with the variant of 'I am not racist but' aka 'I don't care who anyone like to fuck but...'), often going so far as to avoid serious relationship to women with gay friends for example, and the classic of there is no such thing as real lesbian.
One of a former friend who was into TRP was firm that those very old lesbian couples who had lived together for decades, are just doing that because they are such close friends. So like r/sapphoandherfriend but unironically.
So they are just rightwing authoritarians basically and their whole life is about upholding gender roles. Fucking weirdos.
[–]Snoo52682 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well, it's not like they've ever hidden that part.
Of course but I always give people WAY too much benefit of the doubt LOL
[–]Tostitos153 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They DONT! That’s the biggest hypocrisy behind the whole thing. Claiming all these theories on male and female nature, yet if you just go outside a typical heterosexual couple will debunk it (“women only date tall guys” yet the average height of men in the US is 5’8. “Women only want rich men, yet only about 10% of Americans are that well off, etc.) God forbid someone bring the topic of the LGBTQ community, they will move the goal post and say it doesn’t apply lol.
You know what is dumb. Guys shouldn't be listening to this wanker talk shit he doesn't know about they should be going to day long seminars hosted by LESBIANS!!!! No one knows women better than lesbians!
[–]Amazing_Wolverine_37 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Even if true, so what!?
[–]DDronewar -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
I mean if it is true isn't that kinda a bad thing?
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
It isn't true outside of sugar baby type relationships, or rich men with trophy wives etc. An average man doesn't have enough to engage in a transactional relationship like this with someone who exchanges sex for money.
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Depends on how ‘transactional’ is defined. All relationships are transactional in the sense each wants something from the other.
[–]CanadianCatanian 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. I think transactional implies “I’ll only do this if you do this”, whereas in love relationships, you do things for someone else because you want to, and they do the same to you.
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not disagreeing, but the difference is not as stark as you imply. If one person in a ‘love’ relationship stops responding, then sooner or later the marriage will take a turn for the worse, at least in the western context, right? So the feedback is delayed compared to a pure transaction but the end result is the same
[–]CanadianCatanian 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes of course, the last part of my comment mentioned reciprocity. It only works if they’re both putting effort in.
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, I think the word you are looking for is reciprocal. Like I'm nice to you, you're nice to me. The moment one of us drops that ball the other one will feel uncomfortable and our relationship with fail. That's just basic human reciprocation everyone expects from people who are older than about 4 years old, that's not by definition a transactional relationship.
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok sure, but how exactly is that different from a transactional one? The end result looks the same. If the reciprocation stops there is no more exchange.
If you stop having reciprocation with your friend you wont have a friend either.
Average men tell their girlfriends they owe them sex because they paid for X. It’s the norm
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Not agreeing with the OP screen shot, but why would it be bad even if true? Why gatekeep relationships?
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
It's ok if that is two people's negotiated relationship but most people would feel extremely dehumanised by that. Also, where does the woman get sexual satisfaction if her role is to be a human fleshlight for that dufus? Women only agreed en masse to this arrangement when there were no other options. Pretty sure men want to be more than walking ATM's too???
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
If explicitly negotiated it would be awkward, but that doesn’t happen. The transaction is implied in all marriages but couched in tradition as an unwritten contract.
where does the woman get
That would be a question for the woman. I wouldn’t know. The implication is that women are not as desperate for it, therefore they are ‘holding out’ for the man to keep his end of the contract.
Pretty sure men want to be more
I am not sure what I want. And seeing that this sub exists, I’m not sure other men know either
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Where in my marriage is this unwritten contract?
I know that a great, great number of women do not want to be giving sex for money because if we wanted that we would be sex workers and make much more money!!!
There is a reason women don't want sex as much as men and a lot of that is about sex quality because the man thinks he has "paid" for it and thus the sex should be centred around his pleasure, his penis, his orgasm.
But now usually partners work and sometimes the man still wants to act like that??
At that point if the woman works and a man still acts like that he will cause damage to her and the relationship and she is better off single.
***Really women only ever accepted this kind of horrible treatment from men because they were denied other options and kept like slaves.***
With my ex he ruined our intimacy so we barely had sex for 4 years. With my husband I was able to establish healthy boundaries from the beginning and learn to respect myself better also and he and I want sex equally as much.
If I want sex equally to him and we each give each other equal pleasure why does he have to pay me for it? The whole premise is fucked up.
Considering men seem want relationships with women enough to get up to all the craziness some guys engage in they probably should work out something they do want that gives both partners dignity in a romantic relationship.
My husband seems to want these things: to be cherished, to be respected, to be heard, to be hugged and kissed, to laugh with, to share experiences, to trust, to gain advice, to seek help, to feel safe, to build a future.
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I know that a great, great number of women do not want to
Agreed. I believe that.
I suspect that marriages fail if/when women realize the implied contract from the way husbands act.
If I want sex equally to him and we each give each other equal
I’m skeptical that men and women want sex equally as much. Usually the man wants it more than the woman which is why the implied transaction exists in the first place. You may claim this is purely because of the way the man acts but reality is not so simple. Biology plays a huge part, including hormone levels, even if most comments here pretend that biology isn’t a thing.
she is better off single.
Agreed. Which is why I’m puzzled why most women seem so willing to enter into marriage.
My husband seems to want these things
I’m honestly happy for you and your husband. Cheers and peace.
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
When we look at history we see that more than just what we see today is possible. I can only really cover the history of my people in detail.
The conversion of Western Europeans to Christianity and it's anti-sex, and particularly anti-sexy woman, beliefs took a long time. It took convincing them that the sexy woman was in league with the devil and would condemn people to eternal torture in hell. Hundreds of years ago the church decried women for being the highly sexed ones and banned all sexual practices except missionary sex in the dark, that will dampen women's desires LOL. Men's sexual pleasure was allowed because it was necessary for conception and woman's was not and thus not excusable and evil. But hundreds of years ago women could divorce her husband for being sexually inadequate by her standards. There was also a custom where a husband would pretend to sell his wife but it was basically him transferring his wife to another man she wanted and the custom allowed him to keep some pride about the situation. Extreme patriarchy took a long time and a LOT of EXTREME violence to impose in Western Europe. It involved a lot of sexual cruelty, recruiting all men as jailors responsible for earning their manhood via suppressing women. As we are making more and more kinds of sexual cruelty illegal women's sexuality in its true form is coming back. This is why these dudes are freaking out and saying this stuff, they wish Western marriages were about exchange of money for sex but they aren't. Guys like the dickhead in the quote probably really want this because if you look at them they are pretty inadequate people who most people don't want to have relationships with.
Who wants sex more? It's a bit hard to tell because of this background of violence and oppression. The worst names you can call a woman mean that she either desires sex a lot or routinely has sex for money.
Biology exists but it exists within this historical context.
[–]PutsWomenOnPedestal 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
I agree that what Christianity did to Europe and the resulting Dark Ages was really unfortunate. But I’m not convinced that the church’s condemnation of “sexy” women is evidence of women actually being “sexy”, lol. Christianity is a massive scapegoating and projection of men’s sexual misdeeds on women, as seem from the mythology of Adam & Eve, and if I remember many other stories where the woman is framed for men being sleazeballs. So, no, I do not agree that church propaganda counts as evidence about women historically. Unless you have other sources, I’ll believe this mythical “sexy” woman when I see one, ha ha ha.
[–]mammajess 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I think you and me speak from such different positions we have a hard time understanding each other LOL
The whole of the OT is about the Hebrews destroying the dominant fertility religion in which women were the principle priestesses and public sexual displays were almost definitely part of the worship, hence in the NT all the harking back to the concept of the "Whore of Babylon". They went around destroying these people's temples and condemning the priestesses to death. That's what the Garden of Eden story is about.
You can read all kinds of sources, even fairly ancient ones, which document various societies where women were sexy and how the foreign travelers were confused, shocked and astounded. I really like this one by the Greek writer Strabo who lived 64 BCE - 24 CE:
"Something of this kind is told also by Herodotus in his account of the Lydian women who, one and all, he says, prostitute themselves. And they are so kindly disposed to their paramours that they not only entertain them hospitably but also exchange presents with them, often giving more than they receive, inasmuch as the girls from wealthy homes are supplied with means." Strabo, Geographica, Book XI, Chapter14, verse 16.
Or how about this one from the OT about a prophet who lives in Babylon:
"You adulterous wife! You prefer strangers to your own husband! All prostitutes receive gifts, but you give gifts to all your lovers, bribing them to come to you from everywhere for your illicit favors. So in your prostitution you are the opposite of others; no one runs after you for your favors. You are the very opposite, for you give payment and none is given to you." Ezekiel 16:32-34
Who are these weird women who have sex freely and both give and receive gifts? The strongly patriarchal Greeks and Hebrews couldn't understand sexy women as anything but prostitutes so that is what kind of language they use. A lot of places with nature based agricultural religions have been sexually free with women's sexuality not repressed.
But that's ok, you can refuse to believe "sexy" women have ever existed hahaha ;P
Have a great day :D
[–]YoungMrKusuma 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Did he forget that elderly couples are a thing? Old people don't have sex very often. And still there are couples that stay together for years and years.
And this is true even if said couples are flat broke. What does this creature have to say about them?
[–]General-Insurance852 9 points10 points11 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You do realize at senior homes there are sometimes outbreaks of STIs? Also know empty nesters who are having the best sex of their lives.
[–]PhilosopherHistorian 10 points11 points12 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s a very miserable mindset to live with
[–]Mysterious-Zone-334 8 points9 points10 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm starting to question if guys like this even do any kind of self reflection. If women have nothing to offer than vagaina then these kinds of me are literally walking wallets. They place more value on having money and women than being a decent person. Stepiscold and Mediocre tutorials and reviews have the same problem.
[–]mammajess 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Exactly!
[+]Healthy_Language_796 7 points8 points9 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When you look at him you kinda see that he has no success with women. No positivity, not a tear of playfulness, just a guy who's filled with bitterness at 100%.
[–]Altruistic_Log_2809 6 points7 points8 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
sex & money can’t save a relationship either so it can’t be about that
[–]Yesm3can 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a weird self-burn right there.
[–]Miss_Kelli_1980 4 points5 points6 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've never been with a man because of his income(or his Mothers) so I always cringe when I see stuff like this. If you continue to listen to these jaded, bitter assholes, you'll be just as empty as them.
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[–]Environmental-Row979 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Imagine thinking you have absolutely nothing to offer beyond money or sex in a relationship.
Imagine thinking the only benefits to having a relationship are money or sex.
Just pathetic.
[–]AntiVictimhood 5 points6 points7 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I feel bad for people with this perception. When you view relationships as an emotionless transaction of resources/valuables- it means you have no capacity to love, to be loved, to feel connection etc. It also hints at this core belief that you can never be loved for who you are, only for what you have to offer. Children who never felt wanted or loved in their homes and environment tend to compensate by becoming adults who at best can feel needed, but never wanted.
And it's actually a trait that people with NPD have- is this tendency to see relationships as transactions, and about what another person can provide. There is a lack of emotional connection and an ability to feel the deeper things, to value shared experiences with someone, to be supported and to give support, to share joy with another person, to have deep intimacy, to have someone you know you can rely on, share your wins with, celebrate their wins, see someone grow and heal...
Whenever I read things like this or listen to most red pill advice, I see these broken children who have hardened themselves to such an extent that they're incapable of genuine loving connection and emotional intimacy. Not just in romantic relationships, but in life and friendships. What a shallow meaningless existence to genuinely feel that all any person can provide to you is sex or money. And that in absence of providing sex or money, you gain nothing from knowing them...
How isolating and deadening. I hope people with this mindset seek therapy and heal.
[–]deep_sea213 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wisely spoken.
[–]JUMPsuperstar 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What an awful myopic man.
[–]preputio_temporum 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you only date gold diggers, narcissists and shallow people it's your problem, I suggest you should get some time all by yourself.
[–]RealRussShackleford 3 points4 points5 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cooper has always been hilarious to me. This dude is such a poser. I don’t care if he does have a couple nice rides and a “Body By TRT” This dude has the personality of wet sandpaper and there’s no way he’s attracting a lot of women.
[–]elgigglez39 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
For stating some truth that dont fit your agenda? Is that why he is hypocritical ?
Agenda? What agenda? Being an actual human? lol
[–]_shunyata_ 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is simply not true.
[–]FreakyKitten_8 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So he's pretty much admitting that if he didn't have money he wouldn't have anything to offer lmao
[–]FlakyImpact5838 -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Entirely too cynical and narrow-minded.
[+]kidOdagreat -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate to say it but he has point
[–]cdrcools -8 points-7 points-6 points 2 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Well most divorces happen because of money issues and poor sex life, I can't disagree with that.
[–]mammajess 11 points12 points13 points 2 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's totally different!
Sex issues=
1) two people are not providing each other enough emotional intimacy/have too much interpersonal conflict to be able to have sex with each other that is enjoyable, or at all.
2) one or both have too much stress or too tired to have sex
3) one or both people lack the skills to describe what they want in bed
4) the man uses coercion instead of trying to understand is wifes needs etc
Various complicated stuff like that...
Money issues=
1) one partner has become parasitic and refuses to do anything productive like get a job
2) one partner or both have gambling/spending/drug problems
3) the couple has experienced an unexpected financial crisis brought on by unforseen disaster
Etc etc etc
It's not simple like woman give sex man give money
They literally make relationships into actual sex worker/john relationships
Like who actually wants that in a marriage??? Not anyone I know.
It really isn’t though. Just because the transaction isn’t explicitly spelled out doesn’t make it any less of a transition. Maybe we are just arguing about labels. Fine.
See my other comment about RECIPROCAL human behavior.
Transactional is like a relationship that is specifically as he describes.
[–]heytheredelilah91 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/better-divorce/202002/why-do-people-divorce
Yep it's much more complex than he describes.
[–]Terrible-Ad3405 2 points3 points4 points 2 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah so men’s sole value is money? And women don’t care about sexual pleasure? Men are such sleazes they only value a woman for sex?
Money and sex of both partners are important, meaning both want sex and money, but it’s not all
[–]cdrcools 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Men are resource creaters and women are resource extractors, Throughout history women would cling to the men who had the most resources best hunters best builders ect.
As for a woman's value sex is important and really the only thing a man wants from a woman, men don't need female attention it doesn't excite them or give them any pleasure. Women however want male attention and they do get pleasure from attention.
Women value mental stimulation Men value physical stimulation It's that simple.
This is precisely why the friendzone is BS A women gets the attention she wants but a man doesn't get the sexual access he wants.
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That’s the dumbest shit I’ve read for a while. Especially that big about „men value visual stimuli and women mental“. No my dude,both genders value mental stimuli, but women also value visual stimuli. Studies have shown that women for example react the same to porn. Women are visual, just get over it. And men are not „Only“ that. Men don’t need attention? Some crave it overly, others don’t.
My god…people
„Men are resource creators“. Except everyone is, maybe not jobless people. I can’t take it anymore.. If you only want sex, fine. You should be single then and maybe just pay people. Sex is important of course (yeah your girlfriend may want to orgasm too, sex is supposed to be fun for both, remember that). But it’s by far not everything. The true is that men who openly reduce women to sex shouldn’t complain about that this is the ONLY thing they „get“. That dude seems surprised women only value him for money (not for his „mentally stimulating abilities“). Men who only want sex usually aren’t having the best personalities hence can’t form meaningful relationships In my case I want Sex more often than my bf, so I guess I’m the one „reducing him to that“ lol
[–]ChocolatChipLemonade 1 point2 points3 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you surprised the stress of living paycheck to paycheck depletes the romance of a marriage?
[–]Agaposavros 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that's a weird way to word it.
[–]onenightstanduhoes 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t get your point
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[–]Possible-Lobster-436 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uh… what happened to companionship? The dude is unhinged.
Lol, men have nothing to offer but money?
And men are such sleazes that they ONLY value sex?
Why don’t these Bros put it that way? They seemingly don’t care about a woman except having sex and usually only have their „high value money“ to offer
[–]ronn7x 0 points1 point2 points 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
can you help me see the hypocrisy?
[–]pastadedientes -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's just untrue. Maybe it was him who didn't have anything else to offer than money.
[–]rachulll -1 points0 points1 point 2 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
These people just don’t live in reality
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