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date men who think like this

katiekat0214

December 31, 2021
659 upvotes
/r/FemaleDatingStrategy

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Title date men who think like this
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katiekat0214

Upvotes 659
Comments 36
Date December 31, 2021 12:35 AM UTC
(4 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/FemaleDatingStrategy
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/FemaleDatingStrategy/comments/rsgt37/date_men_who_think_like_this/
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Comments

[–]ABQ_COgirlFDS Newbie 39 points40 points41 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men might do this when they aren’t over their ex. I briefly dated a guy who spoke well of ex/past relationship. He roofied me. And he wasn’t over his ex. It literally had nothing to do with being a good person.

[–]aburke626FDS Newbie 304 points305 points306 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

To me, a huge red/green flag is how men talk about their exes. I once dated a guy who was going through a brutal divorce with a woman who had just horribly abused him and fucked him over, and he still never said anything unkind about her. He was over it and moving on and all, but when he’d talk about it, he’d never call her names or say anything disrespectful, and I was always impressed at how much he took the higher ground. (I personally wouldn’t have been so kind). He was a really HVM.

[–]Subject_TicketFDS Newbie 71 points72 points73 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is definitely a green flag, but also has to be followed by him getting therapy and taking action to heal after the abuse. Do you know if he did?

[–]aburke626FDS Newbie 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t, unfortunately. We only dated briefly before I moved across the country and we didn’t stay in close touch for long after. I do hope he is well, though.

[–]realityruineditFDS Newbie 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for these comments - I’m currently vetting a divorced dad (divorce finalized just before the pandemic and it seems I’m the first he’s dated in 20 years)

He speaks well of his ex and casually mentioned how helpful therapy has been.

But… eyes wide open lol

[–]munakhtylerFDS Newbie 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If a man abuses his ex, that man will abuse you

[–]whatsausername1000FDS Newbie 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i think you misread. the ex abused the guy she dated.

[+][deleted] 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–]aburke626FDS Newbie 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

This is the thing I can’t stand on this sub. There’s vetting men and being careful, and then there’s assuming every man is lying about everything, and that every woman is an idiot for believing a word they say. That’s not a healthy way to live and you’ll never find a healthy relationship that way. I don’t need to justify my description of someone else’s relationship to anyone. He did not describe it as abuse, I did.

[–]tuberosetearsFDS Newbie 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes. Women are still capable of behaving poorly in relationships.

[–]NotMyRealName814FDS Newbie 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This sounds like a quality man here and yet there are so many comments speculating on his motives and saying no way in hell they'd date men who do this. Shit like this a big reason why this sub is compared to mgtow and called a hate sub.

[–]HhjjuuyFDS Apprentice 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If this was written by his ex from her perspective I would praise it.

Written by the man I don't trust it to be an honest representation of the situation. There are many possible shitty undertones to this.

ETA: any man who says "raise strong women" can get right to fuck.

[–]Unfit_NeedleworkerFDS Newbie 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is he still going to be doing this when dating another woman? Not sure I’d feel that great with my man going to his exes house to cook her breakfast. Send a gift from your kids, sure. But the rest is too far, IMO.

[–]HealingirlFDS Newbie 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bless him 🙏🏼

[–]BBQCoolRanchQueenFDS Apprentice 47 points48 points49 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

We need more of this. Most men trash talk the mother of their children, the one who sacrificed their career, body, and mind to bring forth their children into this world. What we need most is men calling out other men on their scrotey behaviors.

[–]munakhtylerFDS Newbie 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Men will never know what it means to sacrifice. We can only try to teach them

[–]randomgirl34861FDS Newbie 53 points54 points55 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was practicing therapy, I had a client who had two children and an ex husband with a very serious drug problem. His brother was also an addict and died due to same drug he was abusing. He was just in a horrible, horrible place. This woman would still go with the kids to get cards and gifts for their father for holidays and special days and mail them to him when he was at treatment (that was the only time he’d have an accessible address). She would bake his favorite things with her children and send them to him because that’s what they wanted to do. She’d still call and FaceTime him so the kids could talk to him. Even though he’d forget and didn’t answer, she’d still do it. I ended up tearing up in one of our sessions (note: my belief is that if the emotions you are showing promote a corrective, positive experience for your client, it’s okay to show them) and told her I’ve never seen such selflessness. I told her that the way her love for her children trumped all the BS was one of the most moving things I’ve ever seen in my life (which also made her cry lol). I don’t practice anymore because I wasn’t very good, but this woman seemed to gain a lot from our sessions anyway. She doubted herself quite a lot, but I guess having her therapist saying “you’re such an incredible human and mother that it moves me to tears” really helped 🤷‍♀️

It takes A LOT to do this. I love my mom, and she’s the best, but she couldn’t do this. She crapped on my dad every chance she got (and I don’t blame her because he was actual garbage) but when you hate a parent, you hate a part of yourself. And there is definitely parts of myself I hate, like I have my dads laugh and it sounds so ugly to me. I hope I’m never in the position where I need to this, because it requires otherworldly strength.

[–]DivineGoddess1111111FDS Newbie 38 points39 points40 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If he wanted to be such a great example to his "two little men" he should have worked harder on the marriage and stayed with their mum.

Mothers don't leave when their kids are small unless there is a huge defect with the man.

I wonder if he did this stuff when they were actually together?

[–]fresiparFDS Newbie 29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

valid point. sure it's much easier to cook with the kids once a year than do your fair share of childcare as a husband.

[–]DivineGoddess1111111FDS Newbie 24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't believe anything a man says without proof. I'm one hundred percent a cynic when it comes to men.

[–]Keepers12345FDS Newbie 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Me too... I'm leaning toward the scenario that the ex didn't want Disney Dad in the house because she can't stand him, yet he once again coerced himself into her home (on her birthday!) because he promised their sons that they're going to do "Something special for mommy" and she doesn't want to disappoint her children.

I'm picturing her wanting to eat something healthy for breakfast, and wanting to sleep in, but rather than respecting her wishes, she wakes up to them rattling in the kitchen, Disney Dad's rowdiness, maybe the smell of greasy burnt food, and after who knows how many hours, she'll feel forced to eat fatty pancakes and bacon while her sons watch her reaction.

Did he clean the kitchen and keep the energy calm?

How many women want their ex-husband creeping into their homes at dawn on their birthdays?

Can't even take a shower alone in the morning.

Sorry, I just doubt that this guy's behaviors are really reflective of good character.

He could have helped his sons make her a card and buy her a gift days in advance, with a gift card to her favorite restaurant or spa for breakfast, and taken the boys out that morning (or night before) so she could have a quiet and peaceful start to her birthday.

[–]JadeBaby2211FDS Newbie 59 points60 points61 points 4 years ago* (20 children) | Copy Link

Something doesn't sit quite right with me with this. I suspect he's almost trying to love bomb her from a distance. The fact that he couldn't work things out with his ex is huge, and flowers cannot fix the effects of poor behavior in marriage.

My abusive ex would do similar things to this guy. Get gifts for the mother of his children etc, was big on teaching consent and boundaries but still psychologically abuse his kids.

[–]engineergorlFDS Newbie 95 points96 points97 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It would be lovebombing if he’s doing it to get back together with his ex-wife. But from what he wrote, he’s just doing it to set a good example for his kids and show them he still has a cordial and respectful relationship with their mother even though the romantic relationship has ended. That’s a HV action to me.

[–]jenneschguetFDS Newbie 71 points72 points73 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Additionally, he’s helping the kids prepare something special for their mother, who wouldn’t have been able to do so without his help. Most children don’t have resources to celebrate the holidays for their single parent on their own, such as money or going to the store to shop for the gift or event, and this father realizes that and enables the children to do something special for their mother.

[–]HhjjuuyFDS Apprentice 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

But from what he wrote,

Yeah there's your problem.

For all we know this is his social media campaign to get everyone they know on his side for when she finally tries to talk publicly about his post-divorce stalker behaviour.

[–]katiekat0214FDS Newbie[S] 67 points68 points69 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

True, but if he's really doing it to model good and kind behavior for his sons, and otherwise leaves his ex alone, then I'm okay with it. Christmas, Mother's Day, her birthday, that's okay to me. Otherwise as long as he keeps current with child support and isn't a flake about when he takes his kids, doesn't haul her to court all the time for power issues, and just tries to be a good man who realizes they didn't work out and owns his own part in that, yep... I give this one a pass, so long as all those "ifs" are met. One screenshot, we'll never know the full story.

[–]HealingirlFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly... there is a lot negative speculations based on so little information. It could be that he has to bring the kids see their mum anyway on her birthday and it's not like the kids can do that on their own. This is sad to see such bitterness even when there is nothing to warrant it in the post. If you take the post for what it is, it is a good thing.. no need to speculate or create an extended story.

[–]HhjjuuyFDS Apprentice 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But you yourself have created an extended story in support of this man.

[–]HealingirlFDS Newbie 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes to show that you can go with either narratives. And I agree with the other side as well, it could be all for hoovering or because he is still in love etc but from the post itself and only, it's a positive message.

[–]hope-wallaceFDS Newbie 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

He could be virtue signaling, too.

[–]fresiparFDS Newbie -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

that would be too much effort for little benefit, in my opinion. he is intentionally doing something nice and valuable for his family, and has valid reasons for it.

[–]pathalienationFDS Newbie 35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. He’s violating boundaries by being in her house, etc. I help my kids prep for their Dad’s bd etc ahead of time and from my own space. And there’s no need to go post about how awesome he is online.

Where’s the ex wife’s grateful post????

[–]kansascitydreamFDS Newbie 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This read as icky to me too. Divorced coparents usually get gifts for the child to give, but the breakfast making is excessive. It feels like a boundary cross. Like as a single mama, it would be weird for him to be in my home making me breakfast(even if it’s for the kid) Also: would you really date a man that goes to his ex’s to cook for them? From both sides, id never let my ex do that, and would dump a man if he was that excessive with his ex. He can cook for his partner on step Mother’s Day/ her birthday.

[–]tuberosetearsFDS Newbie 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

would you really date a man that goes to his ex’s to cook for them?

I had to laugh a little, because hell no I wouldn't 😂

It's like... I love this post in principle; it's heartwarming. But in practice, in reality? Hard pass lmao.

I'm all for this setting an example for your kids and whatnot! I just wonder where the lines are and wouldn't want to get involved in a situation with so much potential for triangulation (ex, children, me).

I feel judgemental for thinking in such a territorial manner BUT I'm not interested in dating any fathers so this scenario isn't my problem.

[–]saraswati_beansFDS Newbie 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, this reeks of enmeshment and poor boundaries. I’m also a single mom and even if my ex-husband and I were on completely amicable terms, I wouldn’t want him coming into my house for something as intimate as making me breakfast.

After my divorce, I became seriously involved with a divorced man with children. He would participate in playing “happy family” with his ex-wife on holidays and such; it was confusing and sad for his kids (children of divorce always harbor fantasies that their parents will re-unite), and hurtful for me as the new partner. We couldn’t build our own traditions, and his kids couldn’t move forward into a “new normal.”

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