Throwing Men under the Bus

Updawg145 · 2024-06-01T03:51:18+00:00

I've always thought it was hilarious that people seem to think all men are in some fraternity together. Men are brutally cutthroat and merciless towards one another, especially when it comes to the relationships between higher class people vs lower class, or employers vs employees. At the very worst women still benefit from "benevolent" sexism, being treated like children, which may be a bit degrading but at least they're not commonly discarded like trash the way men are.

Radfem especially loves to project the old boy's club nature of the top 0.5-1% of men onto all men, forgetting that "peasant" men are literal canon fodder for elites.

Peptocoptr · 2024-06-01T04:30:34+00:00

There is a very strong incentive for men to be feminists, or "white knights", in a fashion that harms other innocent men. It's deeper and more phycological than just "wanting to get laid"; the male ego is very closely tied with achievements, or the protection of a weaker agent like a damsel in distress or innocent children.

Male feminists who demonize other men can selfishly gain the ego-boost by appearing as a hero to a female audience.

We humans have a habit of projecting personas onto other people, so much so that plenty of our accusation are pathological, we sometimes want a particular person to do wrong so that we can justify what we perceive as a conflict in life.

Conservatives blame a disproportionate amount of society's problems on immigrants; when an outsider is identified, this accentuate's the insiders persona, in other words, British culture appears more British in contrast with the Asian outsider. Similarly, male feminists have a strong unconscience and deep-seeded psychology to demonize other men, as this only strengthens their conviction in their heroism.

SvitlanaLeo · 2024-06-01T05:54:12+00:00

Cultural feminism and pink capitalism teach women to have no out-group solidarity with men.

BKEnjoyerV2 · 2024-06-01T14:20:00+00:00

I’ve seen/experienced the flip side to this, where men who have wanted women to like them or to seem good or whatever take whatever women say about a certain guy (me in this situation) at face value and exclude the guy. And this all tends to be that guy is creepy type stuff

LAdams20 · 2024-06-01T09:48:50+00:00

An OECD report on gender in education, across more than 60 countries, found that girls receive higher marks compared with boys of the same ability, a consistent pattern of girls' work being "marked up".

It suggests that "teachers hold stereotypical ideas about boys' and girls' academic strengths and weaknesses".

Researchers suggest girls are better behaved in class and this influences how teachers perceive their work, rewarding "organisational skills, good behaviour and compliance" rather than objectively marking pupils' work.

Differences in school results can sometimes "have little to do with ability", says the study.

I’m sure an in-group bias and a large majority of teachers being women in the UK [England (83%)/Scotland (89%)/Wales (75%)]/RoI (87%/72%)/EU (73%)/USA (77%)/Canada (75%)/Australia (82%/72%) doesn’t have anything to do with it.

Edit: A second study

found that when exams are marked independently and anonymously boys do better in maths than girls. However, when teachers are marking their own class, this switches, with girls coming out on top. In tests graded from one to 10, the average grade for GCSE-aged girls was 6.3, while the boys averaged 5.9. [Pass mark is 6].

Results revealed there to be a systemic trend of giving girls higher scores. “School and classroom environments might indeed be adapted to traditionally female behaviours. Female students might thus adopt such actual behaviours during class, including precision, order, modesty, and quietness, which go beyond the individuals’ academic performance, but which teachers may highly reward in terms of grades.”

Other theories for the universal grade bump which teachers give to girls in maths is to help encourage girls and overcompensate for a discriminatory perception of females struggling with “hard subjects”.

“A possible explanation for the reason teachers are more generous in grading female students could be that teachers wish to avoid possible discrimination against girls as an ability-stigmatised group,” the authors write. “Therefore, teachers may over-assess girls in the same way they sometimes over-assess non-native students, to avoid negative stereotyping.”

Edit2: Another study found that

Female teachers mark male students more harshly than they do their female ones [vs external examiners]. Male students expect significantly worse grading from female teachers, and lower their sights and efforts if they think their work is going to be marked by a woman because they believe their results will be worse [showing that boys are aware of this bias].

Additionally, female students expect significantly better grading from male teachers, however, male teachers tend to give them exactly the same marks as external examiners.

UnHope20 · 2024-06-01T14:29:29+00:00

Please also post on r/Male_Studies

NatSyndicalist · 2024-06-01T21:24:45+00:00

This is why "the patriarchy" has always made no sense to me, men will slit each other's throats and expose men's behaviors for any reason. Meanwhile, women will protect women and hide their actions from men. There's a stronger case for a matriarchy than a patriarchy existing.

SubzeroCola · 2024-06-01T15:52:17+00:00

Titanic. We all know it was the men who were rescued first thanks to the patriarchy.

AskingToFeminists · 2024-06-01T07:44:28+00:00

Some call it "the iron law of woke projection"

Basically, whatever the woke movements accuse other people of doing, you can be certain that it is a case of projection, of them accusing others of doing what they do in similar circumstances.

That is why it attracts the nastiest people. It allows them to justify their own behavior to themselves. It is not that they are nasty, it is that everyone is nasty. If everyone in there expects everyone to be predators, then genuine predators can easily camouflage themselves and find preys who are already predispose to think this is normal behaviour and to not expect better. And so on.

CeleryMan20 · 2024-06-01T23:06:07+00:00

A lot of us in this sub appear to align pro-egalitarian but anti-feminist. Is anyone else surprised that the study found egalitarianism, like feminism, correlated with being more accepting of instrumental harm to males?

“Participants who more strongly endorsed egalitarianism were more supportive of female- versus male-benefitting interventions … Participants who more strongly identified as feminists were more supportive of female- versus male-benefitting interventions …

“Baseline sacrificial support was weakly, but not significantly, predictive … These patterns might suggest endorsement of women’s benefit at the cost of men reflects psychological processes unrelated to baseline sacrificial tolerance, such as a general desire to advance women. However, endorsement of men’s benefit at the cost of women more strongly cohered with baseline differences in openness to sacrificial harm, raising the possibility that those who endorse utilitarian reasoning might be less likely to show gender biases in instrumental harm acceptance.”

Interesting about the difference between egalitarianism and utilitarianism. No surprise that feminists align with women-in-general w.r.t. harming men.

Dense-Atmosphere4876 · 2024-06-02T15:18:59+00:00

I hate that it's almost impossible to have an honest conversation centred around fact, when trying to show a different perspective that questions the perspective of extreme feminist views. I'm getting piled on by women despite trying to have a respectful denate in this linkedin post they just ignore the statistics and go to personal attacks almost instantly....

https://www.linkedin.com/posts/anna-marie-stancombe-66a5b435_march-21st-2019-please-tell-me-what-has-activity-7203012117237571585-4VAg?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_android

femmeboyrules · 2024-06-02T08:52:48+00:00

Damit

Title	Throwing Men under the Bus
Author	flaumo
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Date	May 31, 2024 9:53 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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