why do online leftists outside this sub hate it?

phoenician_anarchist · 2024-04-04T09:44:41+00:00

There are some for whom any discussion of the troubles that men face is considered "reactionary". They believe that the Patriarchy and Toxic Masculinity are the root causes of men's issues, and that Feminism is the one and only solution, and if you disagree then you're a misogynist.

There is no convincing them otherwise, no matter what ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Leinadro · 2024-04-04T14:23:56+00:00

You literally answered your own question. To be specific a lot of leftists don't like talking about men's issues outside the context of "men create problems for themselves and women.".

If this place became MensLib Lite the hostility from leftists would stop overnight because then this would be just another progressive space where you can come to blame everything on mem while pretending to be the only kind of space that cares about men.

KPplumbingBob · 2024-04-04T09:21:59+00:00

Nothing you do will be enough to differentiate yourself. The moment you question feminism you're the enemy, that's it.

Low_Rich_5436 · 2024-04-04T10:54:32+00:00

Modern identity politics has worked hard to make equality a zero-sum game. I don't quite understand why.

It's not just here, they'll attack gay male spaces just the same, as well as transmeds.

Intersectionalism was never about inclusion, much to the contrary. It was a way for feminists to infiltrate any movement and throw the men out.

Dashing2026 · 2024-04-04T14:20:41+00:00

Left vs right ideology within a human being can be accurately visualized as a large panel full of different radios.

A radical feminist may be leftist on women's issues, healthcare, and lgbt, but right-winged on men's issues, immigrants, and religious minorities. Political ideologies are rarely in binary form.

LucastheMystic · 2024-04-04T15:34:29+00:00

Alot of Leftists are offended by their own theories.

Leftism has been historically skeptical of Gender and has seen Capitalism as alienating to all genders. Some groups within the Left have gotten a bit obsessed with their own oppression that is governs how they treat people.

jpla86 · 2024-04-04T20:06:31+00:00

Ironically enough, leftists turn into conservatives and subscribe to the "bootstrap philosophy" when it comes to men's issues. All of a sudden, personal responsibility and pulling yourself up by the bootstraps is important to them.

And they wonder why men are abandoning and don't want nothing to do with the left.

YetAgain67 · 2024-04-04T11:57:36+00:00

Because the left has been convinced any and all discussion of men's issues is inherently sexist.

yuendeming1994 · 2024-04-04T19:37:20+00:00

I believe in class theory, but gender is not a class. While many feminist (liberal or leftist) view women as an oppressed class.

WanabeInflatable · 2024-04-04T18:56:48+00:00

It is sad thing to see.

And they never learn. When lunatics like Trump win it is because men are bad, not because left alienated men.

Strong-Junket-4670 · 2024-04-05T00:56:01+00:00

They're domesticated by bad propaganda.

Rad fems need to understand that the idea of male advocacy isn't reactionary and the problem is they don't. They believe anything outside their worldview is misogyny and because they've managed to domesticated some of the guys, it's become more mainstream and popular to just align yourself with being an advocate for gender equality for clout rather than actually being an advocate.

White_Buffalos · 2024-04-05T07:51:43+00:00

Patriarchy is a radfem myth. Feminism is a load of garbage.

AdFun5641 · 2024-04-05T00:15:50+00:00

While advocacy are caring are not zero sum games.

FUNDING IS

If advocating for battered men's shelters becomes successful, that funding will come from "The Violence against Women Act" and if not directed to battered men's shelters, it would be funding more battered women's shelters. Battered women's shelters are already over crowded under staffed and under funded. Taking money away from the thousands of battered women's shelters to create some shelters for battered men would in fact be taking funding away from battered women's shelters.

If we get funding for the clinical trials for a male contraceptive, that's funding that isn't going to improve women's contraceptives.

If we get funding for "Men in Nursing", that's funding that isn't going to "Women that code"

While these funding shifts would be a good thing with male victims being far less served than female victims and men don't have contraceptive options but women do and women outnumber men in higher education. Every one would be taking funding from women.

AffableBarkeep · 2024-04-05T11:51:08+00:00

Left wing 😃

Male advocates 😠

NEXTGENMONKEY · 2024-04-04T10:58:33+00:00

This might be all over the place but I think it’s Partly because of the right. The only people who acted like they cared about Men’s rights were right leaning people for a long time. Nowadays if an issue is seemingly defended by the opposite side (wether genuinely or not), then the other one takes the opposite stance.

Also a big part of leftists are advocating for change, but only when it’s about minorities. Minorities meaning people who allegedly have no say in their condition. That’s a wide net in which they include women. You’re a man, the system is made for you. Why would you need more help or rights ?

To be less stereotypical, they consider that women are starting at -100, men are at -25. So closing the gap is most important and you should consider yourself glad you’re at -25 and help them get to that point.

Strong-Junket-4670 · 2024-04-05T00:56:11+00:00

They're domesticated by bad propaganda.

Rad fems need to understand that the idea of male advocacy isn't reactionary and the problem is they don't. They believe anything outside their worldview is misogyny and because they've managed to domesticate some of the guys. It's also become more mainstream for popular to just align themselves with being an advocate for gender equality for clout rather than actually being an advocate.

Suddenly_Sisyphus42 · 2024-04-05T12:18:06+00:00

Men aren't recognized by society as a minority disadvantaged group. Men are typically seen as having power and privilege, which means we should never have any problems we can't solve ourselves, which means talking about men's issues is really detracting from women's issues.

Comrade9841 · 2024-04-06T22:02:20+00:00

Because they're not actually leftists, they're reactionaries.

yuendeming1994 · 2024-04-04T19:37:15+00:00

I believe in class theory, but gender is not a class. While many feminist (liberal or leftist) view women as an oppressed class.

Hovathegod · 2024-04-04T15:59:18+00:00

Originally this sub went to great lengths to differentiate itself.

But overtime it's ceded to too lax of moderation and tolerance of non-left viewpoints.

Keep in mind those people hated this sub at it's best as well so there's no way to win with them; just that the current state of the sub makes it impossible to appeal to other left leaning and feminist skeptical men.

WannabeLeagueBowler · 2024-04-10T02:50:12+00:00

Why settle for 99% when you can have 100%?

Why are Terfs are excluded from feminism? How was this even able to be accomplished? By random chance everyone who held any authority within feminism just happened to be non-terf?

Endless examples.

Didn't Trump do a lot for Israel? He gave them the embassy in Jerusalem. But he wouldn't give them a war. So they rejected him. Now they have America back fighting wars for them.

Leftists know it's a lost cause to try and bring men into the progressive stack. Men cannot be allowed to organize for any reason no matter the conditions. Leftism is about making all groups play nice together under centralized authority. Feminism is a good vehicle for achieving this, for dismantling competition and replacing it with cooperation. It doesn't need men's rights, even leftist ones. Men's rights are at odds with this.

I think a lot of leftists don't understand the left. The left is very tactical, pragmatic. There are layers of understanding.

mykleins · 2024-04-11T13:19:58+00:00

Somewhat reviving this thread. I think you can read your question 2 ways

why don’t people outside this sub like discussing men’s issues?

why don’t people outside this sub like it?

The first, I don’t know. But I have seen many “men’s issues” get shot down in other Reddit spaces unless it was weirdly couched in some kind of reactionary take.

But the second I think I can answer since I just discovered this sub today and have been familiarizing myself. This sub touts itself as leftist but I don’t know if I see a whole lot of evidence of that. In general it seems pretty centrist, (which as far as leftism can be considered pretty synonymous with conservatism). That said left wing ideology is about a lot more than just inter-gender relationships and socialization and those other things affect men in unique ways that are worth talking about as well. But I mostly see a lot of rallying against feminism without providing an alternative method of that that hasn’t already been broached by self proclaimed feminists. Generally, a red flag for me in “leftist spaces that advocate for men” is when there is more discussion about how feminism and society at large has failed men as opposed to how men can work to dismantle the systems that oppress them and proactively be better allies for each other. This sub only seems to do one of those things as far as I can tell scrolling through. To bring it back to the first point, I’m sure some of that is coming through when these folks comment on “men’s issues” outside of this sub.

ferrocarrilusa · 2024-05-08T21:19:18+00:00

I don't hate this sub but I find much of it overly critical of feminism and somewhat alarmist about misandry. Which isn't to say i don't think there are a lot of good points on here.

My younger self probably would've been on here 24/7

Choice-Section-9337 · 2024-09-15T19:42:02+00:00

Because 90% of the people here are dumbass chuds who hate women and scream and cry when male-chauvinism isn't a popular political message outside of fascism

eli_ashe · 2024-04-04T21:40:22+00:00

'Hitler was a vegetarian' phenomenon. bc folks dislike someone who spoke bout men's issues, now anyone mentioning men's issues are like those people they dislike. Its sad and common behavior.

fwiw it is also why I frequently push back against lumping all feminists together.

there are the online feminsitas, puke.

then there are feminists that like, read academic works, are generally kind, consistent in their principles beyond 'good for women good, bad for men good', etc....

ratcake6 · 2024-04-05T03:11:05+00:00

Football jerseys

LeotheLiberator · 2024-04-04T17:48:27+00:00

hasn't this sub gone to great lengths to differentiate itself from the male chauvinist spaces?

Meh.

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