More feminist hypocrisy: "Making misandry a hate crime will embolden abusive men"

HeForeverBleeds · 2018-10-17T23:25:42+00:00

The second person in as many days arguing against equality as soon as it doesn't advantage women

It's already too easy for men to cry foul every time a woman says or does anything they don’t like...Some people even ask the question: "Does misandry exist?"...because misandry seems to be thrown around (generally at women) for some pretty tenuous things

The exact same thing can be said about women accusing men of misogyny as soon as he says something she doesn't like, or for tenuous things. So if the basis of her argument is that a law penalizing misandry will be misused for petty things, that's certainly an equally valid argument against a law penalizing misogyny

It is the ultimate example of whataboutery – when a group of people cries, "But what about X?"...

No, it's a simple matter of people being protected equally under the law

...to distract attention from any legitimate discussion of Y.

Here she's assuming that the intention of people who want men included is to distract from women. It could be simply because some people want actual equality, or want men to be protected from hate crimes. Would she also assume that anyone who talks about female suicide is doing so to distract from male suicide?

when we talk about misogyny, we are talking about the global societal issue of the life-threatening prejudice, hatred, harm, oppression, rape, marginalisation and harassment of women and girls purely based on their gender – millions of women and girls being mutilated, sold, objectified, dehumanised and even murdered for being female.

Or we're talking about scantily clad women in video games, or a man wanting to use a sex robot, or a man not doing the housework, or "manspreading", or "mansplaining", or other "microagressions" men are accused of

Misandry, on the other hand, seems to be anything a woman says or does that any man doesn’t like

Or it's "kill all men", or "men are trash", or men getting disproportionately longer prison sentences, or the social acceptance of forced genital mutilation against male children, or the marginalization of male victims of DV or sexual abuse

Both misogyny and misandry are actual things that some people commit. And both are also terms that are sometimes misused to describe petty things. So ultimately, her argument for why misandry shouldn't be illegal but misogyny should be is one-sided

TheJazzProphet · 2018-10-18T03:16:54+00:00

Well? Making misogyny a hate crime will embolden abusive women. In general, abusive people will use overreaching laws to abuse people.

EricAllonde · 2018-10-18T02:50:41+00:00

The stereotype is true: feminists really do constantly demand more advantages & privileges while avoiding responsibility like the plague.

IhateMisandry · 2018-10-18T05:27:47+00:00

A misandrist doesn't want misandry to become a hate crime? Well I'll be damned.

Consilio_et_Animis · 2018-10-18T01:39:41+00:00

I just can't even click on the link. These people are really such loonies.

Razorbladekandyfan · 2018-10-17T23:58:27+00:00

What planet is this.

perplexedm · 2018-10-18T06:52:25+00:00

She herself is a proof that misandry exists.

Wisemanner · 2018-10-18T05:49:23+00:00

A petition to the UK government has been started calling for misandry to be made a hate crime too. UK citizens please sign it. I have.

Mythandros · 2018-10-18T02:33:38+00:00

Just another biased feminist. Another product of "gender studies" idiocy.

Her arguments are moot.

ghebert001 · 2018-10-18T04:51:55+00:00

It’s already too easy for men to cry foul every time a woman says or does anything they don’t like.

Uh no...we get told to stop whining like man-babies and man-bashing in the office usually gets turned a blind eye to in work environments by management.

iainmf · 2018-10-18T01:17:12+00:00

http://archive.is/ioNqX

EvilDog77 · 2018-10-18T07:54:48+00:00

Oh look, it's the Guardian. Imagine my shock.

NeDictu · 2018-10-18T03:52:55+00:00

CptGoodnight · 2018-10-18T08:07:02+00:00

"Making misogyny a hate crime will embolden abusive women."

Wow, interesting.

BlueOrange22 · 2018-10-18T07:21:49+00:00

It’s already too easy for men to cry foul every time a woman says or does anything they don’t like. Don’t enshrine that in law

I just can't believe the author is missing how ironic and hypocritical this is- they are writing this article with disingenuous intentions, they aren't trying to be sensible, they are being intentionally manipulative. This is a pure double standard, how could someone write this and possible not notice?

DBOLinouttacontrol · 2018-10-18T13:46:11+00:00

It’s already too easy for men to cry foul every time a woman says or does anything they don’t like.

Holy fuck, the irony...

ForAndAgainst · 2018-10-18T07:22:55+00:00

It's about time we stopped thinking in terms of feminist "hypocrisy" and started talking about "obvious bad faith". I find it impossible to believe that any feminist could hold such an obvious double standard with a clear conscience.

After all, one of the key arguments against feminist jurisprudence has always been that a privileged view of women (aka anti-misogyny) in the law will lead to women being allowed to get away with crimes. Here, the feminists are making exactly the same argument, just in reverse.

The solution to this problem, though, is NOT to institutionalize misandry as a hate crime. The solution is to do away with the idea of hate crimes alltogether. Their only purpose is Orwellian thought control.

chobbo · 2018-10-18T07:47:33+00:00

Not making it a hate crime embolden's manipulative women.

Just look at girls who grew up knowing that most boys are taught to "never hit girls under any circumstances". They abuse that knowledge and think they can get away with hitting men because they know most men won't hit back.

If you take away a person's ability to defend their self, others will abuse the situation to their own advantage.

These_pretzels_suck_ · 2018-10-18T08:12:39+00:00

Stupid argument

Dumber premise

I’m out

KingoftheCastle94 · 2018-10-18T10:20:12+00:00

This is so fucking beautiful. Feminism exposed yet again.

Grubnar · 2018-10-18T10:21:34+00:00

Oh! Oh! I know, let's play the "swap the genders" game, I love that game, and see how she like it then.

Projecterone · 2018-10-18T10:13:36+00:00

What is a hate crime? Is it just a grouping allowing for harsher sentencing?

runninginacyclone · 2018-10-18T11:04:42+00:00

"hatecrimes' are bullshit. Either a thing is a crime or it isn't. Giving longer sentences because it's a 'hatecrime' is not going to deter assholes who commit crimes, but it is going to energize the knuckledraggers whose grievance bars need refilling. Of course the identiarians hate it when the flaw in their little plan is revealed. EVERYONE is in a special group! But we only want hate crimes to exist for the groups WE like. Not those other groups! Fuck these people. I 'hate' them. Is that a crime yet?

Jessica Eaton is the founder of VictimFocus. Quelle Surprise.

Lethn · 2018-10-18T12:12:26+00:00

This is not because we believe that men are not harmed, that men cannot be abused or that men cannot be oppressed – but because misandry seems to be thrown around (generally at women) for some pretty tenuous things that definitely are not hatred or hostility to men.

That's exactly what you believe and you demonstrate that in this very fucking paragraph because it's only a few paragraphs in and already you're belittling men for daring to speak out about this.

I can't rant enough about how much I hate these rich white women living in posh London and Manchester offices telling me how to think, what to feel and that I can't be abused because I'm white and I have a dick. These people are the modern day equivalent of an out of touch nobility and we are all the unwashed peasants in their eyes.

v573v · 2018-10-18T12:18:31+00:00

In the same way it emboldens abusive women but let’s not let that stop women from being protected only men - because, men!

throwaway12394847 · 2018-10-18T13:50:06+00:00

The focus should be on abolishing all forms of thought and speech policing. Instead you guys in the UK are doing exactly what they want in the name of "equality" by making more thought and speech crimes.

Iamthe_Apeman · 2018-10-18T16:35:32+00:00

Every year I write about the way gender role stereotypes harm men and women – especially when anti-feminine, hyper-masculine gender roles are contributing to the high suicide rates in men and boys who are told to be strong, be emotionless and to deal with their problems themselves.

that's because every time men want to talk about their issues they're told to shut up, because we are so "privileged" and should have no problems. The lack of empathy for men is the biggest form of misandry there is. The author not acknowledging this is hypocrisy of the highest order.

AWorseManThanYou · 2018-10-18T09:07:35+00:00

amazing

>Every year I write about the way gender role stereotypes harm men and women – especially when anti-feminine, hyper-masculine gender roles are contributing to the high suicide rates in men and boys who are told to be strong, be emotionless and to deal with their problems themselves.

So have male suicides gone up or down? Seems like an easy way to get this baseless claim!

capacitorflux · 2018-10-18T10:04:06+00:00

She sounds fun. Type of person you can drink a beer with and unwind.

thrway_1000 · 2018-10-18T11:08:39+00:00

Archive -- https://archive.is/QkR9A

jp_mra · 2018-10-18T15:03:18+00:00

If misandry doesn't exist, then she shouldn't be so worried about it being made illegal.

SSFW3925 · 2018-10-18T15:05:57+00:00

Unhappy women can take men’s kids and money. Unhappy women can get men fired and even thrown in jail. Unhappy women can do all of this with no evidence other than tears and character assasination. Unhappy males cannot do any of these things to women without a dump truck of independent evidence.

shit-zen-giggles · 2018-10-18T17:21:19+00:00

you mean like making misogyny a hate crime further emboldens female abusers?

because, you know, women are equal to men...

Blutarg · 2018-10-18T23:12:05+00:00

It is the ultimate example of whataboutery

No, it is an example of fairness.

MWcrazyhorse · 2018-10-18T06:07:40+00:00

Bitch we are fighting ACTUAL abusive men that your leftist cult keeps shipping into our nations in addition to your whole rape cabal.

With the male architects I realise most are evil, but with these women I really cannot tell if they are not just too stupid to understand they are allying themselves with the abusers.

littlefilms · 2018-10-18T10:13:41+00:00

So it's okay to generalise men as being violent and potentially abusive, but you can't even suggest that women can be overly emotional or inherently weak/vulnerable?

semvhu · 2018-10-18T04:56:59+00:00

This is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever read.

Behornedhorse · 2018-10-18T07:11:21+00:00

Perfekt time to use embiggen

marcooni1 · 2018-10-18T07:39:55+00:00

Well, it was expected

AtemAndrew · 2018-10-18T08:47:46+00:00

So, uh, Spain? Italy? Or how about anywhere with less specific non-women only hate crime laws?

LateraLincisor · 2018-10-18T13:10:07+00:00

Hating someone alone should not be criminalized. As bad as misogyny/misandry are, I'm not for criminalizing someone for feeling hatred toward a group (no matter how unreasoned) or even voicing it.

Obviously if that leads them to making crimes like hurting people or making threats of non-defensive violence, it's another matter.

Of course, misandric feminists are crafty and can find ways to toe the line, like talking about wearing penis-severing devices in case they are "raped" and implying the dentatification of innocent men they seduce.

Misogyny should obviously not be criminal for the same reasons. I suppose I should try and imagine if there is a male version of the above. Are there any men toeing the line with free speech in ways which are basically threats of violence which we should encourage voluntarily curbing (or shunning) if it disrupts goodwill?

by_myself · 2018-10-18T14:36:24+00:00

Deep inside, the conspiracy theorist part of my brain is translating current events into: "The economy can't sustain freedom, we need a slave class. Who is easiest to strip rights from?"

I keep telling myself that's extreme. It's just a vocal minority trying to fuck is all over, right?

ZimbaZumba · 2018-10-18T15:56:19+00:00

This hateful woman has made a tactical error and she knows it. 'Misandry' is far more prevalent than 'Misogony', just read the Guardian for instance.

Making 'Misandry' a hate crime would defang large swathes of the feminist movement in the UK.

Hot4M · 2018-10-18T17:50:14+00:00

Does misandry exist? #killallmen Is this a question that needs to be asked?

ThePigmanAgain · 2018-10-19T00:13:44+00:00

It's the Guardian. What they are really worried about is that making misandry a hate crime will discourage abusive women. You know, like the women who write for the Guardian.

summonblood · 2018-10-19T23:16:05+00:00

And by not making it hate crime it will embolden abusive women.

1LegendaryWombat · 2018-10-20T08:58:13+00:00

I feel like she needs a flashing neon sign behind her declaring her a hypocrite.

Title	More feminist hypocrisy: "Making misandry a hate crime will embolden abusive men"
Author	HeForeverBleeds
Upvotes	1329
Comments	72
Date	October 17, 2018 11:25 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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