Q4RP: what is the difference between AFBB and wanting to have no commitment sex with sluts and then wanting to settle down with a submissive virgin homemaker?

Daniel_Bryan_Fan · 2017-03-17T01:50:08+00:00

This is a legitimate question because I don't know if they're seen as different or the same. I don't agree with AFBB but even if it does exist...

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No, it does actually. Because if you actually understand the content, there is no rationalization to getting married or "settling down."

Women just aren't built that way.

It's the foundation of purple pillers. Have you read Mitch's Purple Pill by Rollo?

It's a post about people exactly like you.

Guys of this Purple Pill stripe still cling (or return to clinging) to their old Blue Pill idealism in the hopes that the goals their old conditioning taught them was still possible.

However, Mitch represents another type of Purple Pill man. This is the guy who’s become Red Pill aware, but believes he can make his Blue Pill idealism work in a Red Pill context from the outset of his partial unplugging. As a result, there’s a certain degree of affirmation seeking men of this stripe look for from other men in Red Pill forums. That affirmation is entirely based in the false hope that he can use Red Pill truths to achieve Blue Pill goals. Thus, he looks for affirmation in this feminine-primary idealism without realizing he’s really just asking Red Pill men for their permission to persist in his Blue Pill hope while calling it Red Pill for himself.

This is you.

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I'm saying you can decide to do so if you so wish. There is nothing in TRP that decides what you must do in life. TRP is only a description of women and how to sleep with them. Anything of the sort you claim is a moral stance, which TRP is not.

As for why I don't run away from LTRs? First and foremost because I find them to be fun. But do you know about a guy named Socrates? Once considered quite wise, though he did not think so of himself. He went into it a bit regarding his wife a few years ago they say:

Xenophon, a student of Socrates, wrote a dialogue featuring Socrates. In that dialogue, Socrates’s interlocutor described Xanthippe as “the hardest to get along with of all the women there are—yes, or all that ever were, I suspect, or ever will be.” He asked Socrates why he chose to live with such a wife.

Socrates explained:

"I observe that men who wish to become expert horsemen do not get the most docile horses but rather those that are high-mettled, believing that if they can manage this kind, they will easily handle any other. My course is similar. Human beings at large is what I wish to deal and associate with; and so I have got her, well assured that if I can endure her, I shall have no difficulty in my relations with all the rest of human kind."

This is a rationale to expose yourself to the mental gymnastics that a relationship requires. You go to the gym, no? I don't take life that seriously enough to be scared of the boogeymen you call women. I also live a place which is quite sensible when it comes to breakups, custody, alimony and other similar things.

[–]sadomasochristnAWALT = Not red pilled0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Listen there's nothing wrong with making your own choices in life. I'm not objecting to you deciding that's what makes you happy.

All I'm saying is that it is not red pill. The foundation of the red pill is based on some very well understood mechanisms, and you're using those mechanisms for blue pill ideals (even though you can not achieve what we refer to as the blue pill dream, because it is incompatible with the red pill framework).

So no, there's nothing stopping you from being a red pill aware, blue pill man. That's what you are, and that's perfectly fine.

Just don't look to red pillers and say "see, I'm red pill, tell me I am, even though I want to live with women and get married."

That is, like Rollo said, not a red pill man, simply a blue pill man using his partial unplugging and affirmation seeking.

I will not give you that affirmation, and anyone here that does give you that affirmation is not in fact red pill, simply red pill aware.

Or what lots of guys refer to here as "throwing it back up" or having it "stuck in your throat."

If you haven't entered the anger stage yet, you have not yet gotten it. You haven't had your worldview challenged yet.

So again, as long as you're okay realizing that you are in fact still blue pill, that's fine. But you don't really need the red pill then. All of the things you think are "red pill" are likely just explained in more plainspeak than the blue pill.

Blue pill still advocates looking good, having a good career and being interdependent. They don't call it "plate spinning" they call it non-monogomy, or being an ethical slut, or whatever.

There is a reason why the red pill calls what you're doing female primary sexual strategy.

Again, you do you. Just don't call yourself red pill. You're not. You're simply red pill aware. Until you've gotten to the anger stage, you're not there yet. Still plugged in as we say brother.

GLHF

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Are you planning on having kids?

Either way, what you fail to understand is basically everyone on the red pill who was or is married, regrets it, because they all went down the same path more or less to realize that women are inherently not reliable partners, unless you don't mind being cheated on, divorced etc.

Assuming of course that you're "marrying down" (from a male perspective). If you're marrying up, I guess you get to experience the same cushy setup women do, don't like it? Leave with the cash and prizes.

You haven't yet been "red pilled." That's because you haven't reached a point that forced you to understand that women are inherently designed for STRs, why the no-cohabiation rule makes sense, why marriage is absolutely a bad deal for 90% of guys, why you spin plates etc.

You are red pill aware. Anyone that understands the concepts even at a cursory level is red pill aware. You can, be aware, and pick and choose. But we refer to guys that do that as still blue pill. Because they are not acknowledging the reality of the situation, only trying to improve their position within the blue pill framework.

So an example of someone getting "red pilled" would be a guy who is red pill aware like you, decides he prefers LTRs, he works on himself, grows his career, maintains attraction, he's in shape etc.

Then he comes home one day and his unicorn, is getting railed by a drug dealer. Or maybe something less radical, say he is laid off and then she starts going out every night and no amount of communication seems to stop her from acting out.

To a rational, red pill aware man, who is still blue pill, he might not be able to wrap his head around what the issue is here. At his wits end, he's almost ready to give up, until he puts some deep deep thought into his issue.

Then he starts to reexamine his relationships, others, his own parents etc. And he realizes that this lens makes a lot more sense. He realizes the reason for the design of the red pill framework.

And that trying to achieve any goal outside of it is literally, in vien.

Which again is 100.00% fine. It's just blue pill. There's no problem with being red pill aware and blue pill. My only caution to you, is that you, like all of us who finally have our shock into fully unplugging is its going to hurt.

Once you really get it, you'd understand easily what I'm getting at and we'd be having a different more high level discussion.

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I don't see it how you see it. You believe I see my LTR as a unicorn.

Going into a LTR knowing what we know, and accepting women for who they really are is very different than the guys who got married in a blue pill fantasy and then woke up to reality.

In my point of view it is my challenge to keep the interest level up there enough for her to not get railed by the drug dealer. And I slip up all the time, so I might not be able to do so. But that's okay. I accept that I might fail. It's not going to cost me much. It'll be a learning curve. And I'm having fun while doing it. So if I come home and see her with another guy I will struggle with holding frame and composure where it should be, but then I will learn a valuable lesson and move on.

It's only a girl, and I don't plan on kids, so there's that. But none of this is blue pill. There are no fantasies in this setup, and I think you fail to see that. It's just a raw experience playing itself out, angled by my choices. It is a full realization of what women are, and acceptance of that, and knowing what I'm getting myself into. As long as I know that I can't fail. It's just a game. A long one. But the rules are the same, so I don't see what is different between your plate and my girlfriend. For all we know they might be one and the same.

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But the rules are the same, so I don't see what is different between your plate and my girlfriend.

This is probably the best take away. This is a debate I myself had to have.

It's about expectations. You will expect a plate to fall before a LTR, but you will expect the plate to be hyper-charged sex and zero room for bullshit.

An ltr you can expect a steady stream of bullshit, even if it is mild and sex is never going to be on STR\Plate level.

There's nothing inherently wrong with what you're saying, but if you're moving in and giving her all the validation she's looking for and accepting that she's going to move on, you're still in the feminine primary sexual framework.

Guys that get good at spinning plates have women coming over to cook, do their laundry, drain their balls and leave. With plenty in rotation. This is mentally healthier for a variety of reasons and a more sustainable system. The serial monogamy framework has gotten progressively worse for men over time.

I would say you're not far off the mark, but a preference for LTRs seems to often be a self rationalization for a growth ceiling and a way of staying somewhat complacent.

Plates and STRs just simply don't require work, they are time bombed. And everything after where a plate would fall is just managing a woman's inherent unmanageability.

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You're right in that I don't see it as "settling down". It's not the word I would use. But you can settle down and be red pill. Rollo did. There are several good examples of it in MRP. There are millions of good examples in it the generations before us. But I would never do it in the US today.

But I'm not getting married, I'm not having kids. It doesn't sound like settling down. I might move in with her at some point though. The thing is that I'm in my prime and my girlfriend is in her prime. It doesn't make sense to replace her. We hit the peak at the same time according to the theoretical numbers of Rollo. If I replace her I would replace with equal or better as we both fade in equal steps.

I have too much resources at this point. I'm not rich - I just make more money than I spend. My resources are nice, but they are no longer critical to my survival in the same way they used to be. I could lose quite a lot until I took a dip. And I just don't see how I could lose it. In the US? Sure! Here? Nope!

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You're right in that I don't see it as "settling down". It's not the word I would use. But you can settle down and be red pill. Rollo did. There are several good examples of it in MRP. There are millions of good examples in it the generations before us. But I would never do it in the US today.

You still aren't really understanding this. Why do you think these guys are in MRP? Rollo isn't really a good counter example because again, he created the framework after being in a marriage. That says a lot.

Guys like Athol Kay, author of MMSLP are another great example. Read the book and imagine you are in fact Athol Kay. It's a lot of god damn bullshit and work.

I might move in with her at some point though. The thing is that I'm in my prime and my girlfriend is in her prime

Why?

https://therationalmale.com/2011/10/06/shacking-up/

You're mid 30s, good career and she's 19?

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Why do you think these guys are in MRP?

Same reason both of us are in TRP. Learning about women and how to act around them in order to sleep with them.

Rollo isn't really a good counter example because again, he created the framework after being in a marriage. That says a lot.

It says jack shit.

Most guys who contributed to what TRP is were single when writing it. They made observations about women and wrote it down. That's it. What you and me can take from having both married and single men writing about women is that women are women - it doesn't matter if they're in a relationship or single. They're all the same.

I might move in with her at some point because two paychecks can buy a bigger apartment than one. My apartment is the most sterile place on earth, but women put in small items that I don't know where they even buy, but it looks nice and feels like a home. And if things goes south then I can pack up my things and leave. It really isn't more difficult than that. I am always in control of my options and my ability to maneuver. That can never be taken away from me, and that to me, is a fundamental TRP concept. Anything else is just in our heads.

I have not read Athol Kay, but as I said; Being single is also work. Number one thing you see in new guys at TRP is weaklings who refuse to put in some work to get their lives in order. You think you can lean back at some point? That's when you get got, so never stop working.

Are you afraid to be in a relationship, or is it just that you don't see anything good about it?

Agewise; Something like that.

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Negging,

Making sure she understands she is not going to be treated any better than any other person just because she has a pussy. That's not negging. That is not abusive. That's respecting her to the point of treating her like a human being.

dread

Women flirt with men all the time while they are in a relationship to keep their boyfriends on their toes.

cheating

Men don't cheat on women. Having sex with other women while being in a relationship its not cheating as men do not necessarily develop feelings for a woman just because he slept with her, but women do.

plating,

Men should have a main chick and plates on the side as to alleviate the burden put on the main chick. When the main chick has an headache or is having her period he can chill, not bother her and instead he can go and sleep with one of his plates.

In many a way he's helping his girlfriend have a better life.

actual love like it's a disease "oneitus

Love is a disease. Its sickness that corrodes the man's health and in many cases fucks him up very much. Feelings make a man waste his life on a woman. Men should focus on themselves and on their goals, getting their dreams fulfilled and treating women as a hobby, fucking them to release stress and as a diversion.

shaming.

Men only shame women because they don't want to end up being used.

Talk of cock carousels while encouraging plating

Its completely different. Its a lot harder for men to get casual sex than it is for women, so when a man gets an harem going he's a hero, a true conqueror. Whereas the woman is living it up on easy mode.

women are just emotional children

Women are indeed emotional children. They need men to always treat them right. You try treating a woman like men treat men and you'll see how butthurt and infantile they become.

Machiavellian manipulators which obviously is just stupid but also very insulting

How is it very insulting?

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short of abuse victims,

high conflict marriages

Thats not a counter, it IS the argument

As a matter of policy, in MRP, we always hold the guy 100% accountable, because he has control over himself, and himself alone.

I find it funny, that when you try the same thing here, everyone fights tooth and nail to give a 50 50 split.

Even in the most noble intentions, people can only find 50% fault in women...

Says a lot, with so little.

Also, I talk with many 60 year olds who have left their wives after the kids leave. Don't kid yourself, she wasn't superman. She was a frigid cunt 100% of the time, crazy, fiscally irrisponsible, and usually such a harm to the kids, the dad would rather suck it up and mitigate her potential damage, than give her any solo time to weaponize the kids.

Of course, where did you think all those 'angry kids' at TRP come from? Know how many of them admit to having shitty mothers who did this shit?

In all that time people talk about the angry guys at TRP, not one of you chose to read what they actually write?

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Sure, why not? I have a rule, never discuss something unless I can pull someone out of a burning house. I ignored that rule once, and I still have nightmares about that girl when she died. RIP

Here, and since we are here to bitch about RP, lets frame it as an RP 'debate'. You're saying that guys don't get 50-100% custody because they don't try, or don't want it. is that 100% of guys, 90%? What do statistics say? 50%?

How large a minority/majority are we talking about here. I would prefer if we hit at least a decent sized minority... Kind of like any negative outcome, that's when it first matters.

Also, do we 'debate' a particular jurisdiction? I'm mostly familiar with CA-ON CA-QC and CA-BC law, I'm afraid US law, I'll mostly be regurgitating what I've heard 3rd hand, and EU law I'll be well out of my element. You called your hobby soccer, so I'm guessing not.

And hey, back to the topic of your attributes. No decent red piller cares if you are smart and want equality. The only thing men tend to avoid is women who conflate bitchy with intelligent, or equality with the Animal Farm version of Equality (Some are more equal than others). It's best explained as the 50% of non female CEO's male is wrong. 50% of non female garbagewomen doesn't concern me.

Of course, if you're pleasant, not growing fatter year over year, and can keep your knees together while in a relationship with me, while not spending your future away on new purses... you'd be a great catch!

So giver deaner! 'debate' me you smart little soccer playing equality genius you :)

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Like the article I linked said, only 4% of custody is settled in court. So 96% of parents are either 1. Satisfied with the amount of time they see their kids or 2. Do not care enough about them to go to court.

That is what I'm arguing. There is no such thing as male discrimination in the court custody cases. Moms tend to do 2x the childcare even when she works the same hours outside the home as the husband. So a SAHM will be doing even more than that! Which is fine if that's the arrangement made by the parents, however when a divorce happens that means the dad doesn't have the skills or schedule to accommodate for taking on so much more childcare. The child is accustomed to mom making dinner, not dad burning Easy Mac, so it's easier on the child.

It's not discrimination, it's practical. It's not oppression, it's equality.

I want things that red pillers hate. For instance, I want birth control to be available like condoms: no age limit, no prescription, no expensive doctors visits.

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Cool Of course, that's not the point at all. Want to discuss like this, take it to the MRA. They love to bitch and victimhood the shit out of it.

Guys have been sorting it out with Prep work and eventually, a solid set of strategies.

So, If I understand your argument, guys aren't victims, they are just shit. I say as much every day. I'm sure many in here love to watch me call guys faggots, they even made a few subs to watch some of us do it!

Now. Here's the part I find funny. The way you talk about this issue, sounds very reasonable, onus on personal responsability, and obligations, no one would argue, shrouded in 'equality'

All for it sweetheart, sounds great. Let's apply it across the board, and I'll put a baby into you. The same concept of reaping what you so, could apply so well to:

slutting it up before finding a husband who doesn't get his slut
that 77 cent bullshit

you get the idea.

I'm glad you're redpilled, you should upgrade your flair. plus, you CMV, convinced me of your points. Kudos!

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Their ideal is to marry the virgin because she's a "prize." No other man has been with her. It isn't even about her. It's about him feeling he's winning something.

They know that virgins will likely not be all that hyper compelled by sex, so he'll likely cheat on her with women who are.

Like the good old days when the Madonna / Whore complex was status quo.

Maybe he'll bring home a disease or 2. Maybe a baby. Maybe shame and embarrassment to her.

The virgin woman gets a man who will likely cheat because off bat they aren't compatible - he's super into sex / she's so not into sex she never cared to have it - in fact she married a person she never had sex with because that's how little she's motivated by it.

So in that sense it's very similar to a woman marrying a BB. The result is the woman married to the BB may have more incentive to cheat / as would the Alpha marrying a virgin.

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