To me veganism is deeply intuitive. When I took an ethics course at university (college) I was unable to come up with any counter argument to the core idea and changed my actions quickly thereafter. However I also have noticed that many things that follow from redpill are either amoral or on the fringes of morality. I'm sure these are all familiar to you but to re-hash it essentially boils down to maximise fully a female "slut" for self interest. In general I find a lot of selfishness that seeps from anything redpill. It also seems to me that redpill would follow the line that if something is immoral but in someone's self interest and is socially condoned the way to proceed is to do satisfy your self interest. That is troubling to me and I say that as someone who aligns mostly redpill