To the TRPers

relationshipdownvote · 2015-02-20T14:57:28+00:00

How long have you been in this relationship? My bet, less than 3 years. You're still in the honeymoon stage brah, that will wear off.

Kozen117 · 2015-02-20T13:52:33+00:00

TRPer here in a 3yr LTR.

Manipulation and powerplays occur in every relationship, romantic and platonic. TRP just lays out what exactly happens in these powerplays. TRP discusses the rules and how to play it. TRPers are simply aware of it. It's not that manipulation, as you put it, doesn't exist in any relationship (because it does), but that it is something we are aware of and have solutions for... TRP, after all, is a sub for a man's success, whether you agree with it or not.

EDIT: Looking back at your question, I don't seem to really answer it, so here goes another shot.

I think you would find more fulfillment in a relationship that doesn't need "strategy". Just a thought.

It's true that it feels "better" to not have to think about this TRP stuff. But that's the thing. If you're new to TRP, you'll always be thinking of it. Once you're a vet, you've already established yourself as a high status man (meaning you are successful physically, socially, mentally and financially). In which case, you don't really think much into it anymore. You have adopted the best behaviors to keep a girl (or girls) on you. It just seems like it's the only thing we think about in the TRP sub because that's the entire point of the sub! Everyone shares their opinion and advice. If you actually look at the vets there, they don't actually even post that much since they have their own lives to live. They don't need to visit the sub anymore (or at least, not as often).

masterrod · 2015-02-20T15:39:24+00:00

When you had a low point in your relationships how did you recover?

Does she ever do things to get what she wants, or does she just ask straight up for anything she wants or wants you to do?

soylentblueissmurfs · 2015-02-20T14:05:46+00:00

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What is this?

thereddespair · 2015-02-20T16:27:22+00:00

It is great by your definition. Not all men are alike and have the same taste and needs as you. Even your opinion on your woman is relative, she may be badass to you but not necessarily to everyone. What, you gonna say we should fuck like how you two do as well? Coz it's so amazing?

We go in different ways because we pursue different things and start at different points. Is that hard to grasp?

I'll say it again, what you have may be shit to some people even if you're so proud of it.

AFormidableContender · 2015-02-20T20:29:29+00:00

I don't get why people think TRP is a strategy or way of life that people just decided sounded cool. It's essentially derived by men who suck at getting girls and wouldn't have been the ones in so called "healthy relationships".

meehan666 · 2015-02-20T15:09:08+00:00

I think you would find more fulfillment in a relationship that doesn't need "strategy".

I actually do agree with this, somewhat:

http://www.reddit.com/r/The48LawsOfPower/comments/2ppfuh/law_30_make_your_accomplishments_seem_effortless/

So yes, ideally, you get to the point where you are no longer thinking strategically, you just succeed without really trying.

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TRP_Wingfoot · 2015-02-20T20:37:13+00:00

There are times when I feel like the red pill isn't for me and I want to 'plug back in'.

Then I think back to the times it's failed me.

Oh wait, there aren't any.

But in all seriousness, do/take whatever pill makes you happy. You don't have to humblebrag about your 'perfect' relationship though. Food for thought.

nomdplume · 2015-02-21T00:07:18+00:00

We do help eachother out bc of genuine love and affection. Not manipulation. We call eachother out on our bullshit and listen to eachother. She's a badass chick, and we both are really secure with each other.

That sounds like 90% of my relationship/marriage for the last almost two decades.

It's the other 10% that causes all of the problems.

No one is perfect.

Do you think it's possible that y'all just haven't been with the highest caliber of women?

I've been with some very high caliber women (my wife being the highest). But you know what? They are all human, just like anyone else. And they have flaws. They all have weaknesses. They can all be selfish or myopic or insensitive or solipsistic. They all do things they aren't proud of after. 'Cause they are human.

It's best to prepare to deal with their humanity effectively when it arises, rather than blissfully assuming that their humanity will never 'cause a problem for you, or that you are always fully prepared to handle it gracefully.

I think you would find more fulfillment in a relationship that doesn't need "strategy".

Show me a single relationship in life that requires no strategy. I would wager that you use a "strategy" with every single person in your life, from your girlfriend to your best friend to your boss to your sibling to your parent.

Strategy is required for setting and maintaining certain social connections and boundaries. It is a requirement for cooperation. It forms the basis for reciprocity (a major component of our social instinct).

You know the things you can and can't (or should and shouldn't) say to the people in your life. You know what makes them happy and what makes them angry or sad, and (generally) you strive to enhance the former and reduce the latter. If you are mindful of the words you use with certain individuals, even a little, you are employing a strategy.

I have no idea why people think that only devious, manipulative people use any "strategies."

nicethingyoucanthave · 2015-02-20T15:20:22+00:00

manipulation

What does that word mean to you? Because I guarantee if I followed you and your girl around, I could label some of your interactions as "manipulation."

0909a0909 · 2015-02-20T17:14:31+00:00

Do you think it's possible that y'all just haven't been with the highest caliber of women? I think you would find more fulfillment in a relationship that doesn't need "strategy". Just a thought.

This is exactly what I think when I read a lot about TRP relationships. They seem catered to spoiled, selfish, self-centered, narcissistic women.

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RedRisingHood · 2015-02-22T13:50:24+00:00

To be fair, a lot of the troubles guys in TRP talk about which TRP does remedy, can be totally avoided by avoiding messed up, damaged women with really high dick counts, in the first place.

If you end up fucking the hot girl in the club who was grinding multiple men on the same night, I don't care how strong your frame is, how alpha you are or how wet you made her. She is still a bad prospect. If you're going to associate with ex-convicts, a great way of ensuring your wallet doesn't go missing is to leave it at home, but a better solution is not to associate with ex-convicts in the first place.

WhosCountin · 2015-02-20T14:51:41+00:00

I agree with you. I think the best relationships with truly compatible people are free of a lot - not all, not always - but a lot of the negative dynamics described by TRP.

I'm getting into TRP because I'm sick of relationships for now and want to have:

More sex
with more attractive women
as soon as possible once I meet them (ONS ideally)

I think when you get into the world of hookup/bar/club culture, the primal evopsych underpinnings of human behavior really come to the forefront, and TRP describes the dynamics pretty fucking accurately.

COPCO · 2015-02-20T16:18:17+00:00

Hey OP, the amount of negativity in this thread is pissing me off. You've opened your relationship up to criticism from a bunch of people who fundamentally hate women and relationships. They will do everything they can to make you doubt your relationship. They are fucking with your head.

I think you made a mistake with your post. Please don't take them seriously.

I'm in a relationship that sounds very similar to yours. We've been together 5 years now, we're both happy, and planning a future together. We're talking about kids and the next stage of life. There's absolutely no reason that your relationship has to fail, or even be questioned. You can continue what you're doing and have a perfectly happy life. Don't listen to people telling you it has to be otherwise.

Bunch of angry jerks.

Fuschia19 · 2015-02-20T14:00:53+00:00

Wait. Are you SURE she's not manipulating you and depriving you of sex like ALL women ...

TheRedRustler · 2015-02-20T22:21:59+00:00

Everything you just said.... comes to be more Red than blue.

"Calling each other out on our bullshit" - Sounds pretty red to me. Blue would just brush it off and assume its because she is on her period or she had a bad day.

As for the manipulation... what manipulation tactics does TRP use? Inb4 dread game

ECoast_Man · 2015-02-21T01:05:44+00:00

Your girlfriend is obviously a special snowflake.

Why don't you sacrifice everything, including your integrity, and see what happens? She will love you no matter what right?

rpodhod · 2015-02-21T16:51:44+00:00

How about you don't insult our women?

And newbie, see you on The Red Pill in a couple of years.

TheRealMewt · 2015-02-22T04:30:39+00:00

I'm a little wary to trust that a guy named cumblaster9000 has the pinnacle of relationship perfection in his back pocket when trying to tell a group of guys that they can "do better".

Just a thought.

Whisper · 2015-02-23T05:06:02+00:00

http://www.thumotic.com/argumentum-ad-amog/

blackhawks93 · 2015-02-26T03:39:31+00:00

Just be conscious of your boundaries. TRP mainly applies to ex-BP guys who have boundary issues with women. For example, my mom would invade my boundaries all the time but yet never let me push back to an even par in the relationship.

TRP is an expansion on the Power game. It is real and most BP guys don't know it. If you are in a healthy relationship, you probably have some of the essential TRP concepts ingrained in you.

Cyralea · 2015-02-20T17:08:30+00:00

Hey, just wanted to say I'm a hetero male in a great relationship. We do help eachother out bc of genuine love and affection. Not manipulation

Cool. You are me, in my past relationships when I was beta. I said the same words you're saying now. What makes you think some of us haven't experienced what you have, and more?

Title	To the TRPers
Author	cumblaster9000
Upvotes	12
Comments	120
Date	February 20, 2015 1:47 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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