Brutal redpill that no one here ever talks about, how physically attractive you REALLY are, as judged by science and women

do_it_or_leave · 2017-05-18T00:40:49+00:00

The thing is, as males, is you make it to the top, doesn't matter in what, you will attract women. You never will be like these models you linked, but you will have apeal to women in the circle you have high status.

This is called demography.

RichHomieJan · 2017-05-18T01:01:12+00:00

If you already look good and train too, it will just help with them touching you early (because they have a reason "Oh let me touch that arm it looks so hard!").

My best friend has an anorexic looking body with a model face, he gets more girls than the best bodied guys.

Riddlebottom · 2017-05-18T02:18:49+00:00

Gl out there with this new info

What luck? You're just telling us how to figure out whether or not we were born ugly, and that we're fucked if the answer is yes. Hardly counts as actionable advice.

-IIIII--------IIIII- · 2017-05-18T01:46:52+00:00

You're getting some flak, but I appreciate this post. I think the science behind attraction is a fascinating subject.

I would say to anyone reading this though, you should still work on yourself to improve. Men can't really afford to be weak. And you'd be surprised what your potential is, the ceiling is much higher than you'd estimate it to be. You may not become a Chad, but getting a girlfriend or even FWBs aren't out of the question if you know what you're doing and put in a lot of effort.

BargainBinBoyfriend · 2017-05-18T02:32:11+00:00

What pisses me off is that body matters far more than face to me in females, yet most of them choose to be fat.

philpeterthrowaway · 2017-05-18T00:48:54+00:00

Agreed. What's the point of even being alive if my lips stick out more than my chin?

No point in lifting for girls IMO. It's all about the face. Oh well, It'll all be over for me soon enough.

gabex166 · 2017-05-18T01:42:55+00:00

You're right but it doesn't matter. I could be Quasimodo, but it's no excuse not to be the best I can be.

CrispyChicken69 · 2017-05-18T01:34:21+00:00

OP is right, this post will get downvoted though. Only exception is like others mentioned, high status/success AKA comedians, musicians, actors, pro athletes, entrepreneurs (and I mean the energetic guys who lead groups of people or have a niche). So basically if your not naturally gifted with a great face- continue to work out anyways but put more effort into building a successful life and becoming the top of your field

Entropy-7 · 2017-05-18T01:57:18+00:00

There is this thing called clothes so in most social circumstances women can only get a hint of what your body is like. Unless you are particularly fat or have a prominent V to your torso, street clothes won't reveal what you body is like. So face is what women will go on in most cases.

chazthundergut · 2017-05-18T04:19:40+00:00

Change what you can. Of course having an ugly face is a disadvantage. A redpill aware man understands this, but he also understands that there is no point in bitching about what you cannot change. An ugly face sucks for attracting women. So if you have an ugly face, you'd better max out whatever physical advantages you can. Sorry you're asian or ugly or whatever- now swallow the pill, accept that no women will ever love you the way you want them to, and get to lifting Iron you Quasi Moto.
Redpill is all about observing human behavior (not words) and drawing accurate conclusions. Have you ever seen an ugly guy with a hot chick? I sure have. My brother has a face like a hatchet, but he trains and has a personality to match, and he has been with WAY more women than my best-looking mate.
That being said, I do agree with much of the premise. There are plenty of guys who were shot in the ass by genetics and poor behavior choices. The RedPill can absolutely be bitter when a man starts to view himself Objectively. Egos die hard.

gabex166 · 2017-05-18T05:23:29+00:00

This is probably too much redPill for some.For those saying it's all about vibe when it's really not because you can have all the confidence all the great Good Vibes but then you go up to a very attractive girl and you are ugly ass guy and she call your creepy after you tried talking to her.But then Chad comes up to her does the same "creepy" ass shityou do and boom she starts laughing starts touching him.

vorverk · 2017-05-18T05:32:32+00:00

I've seen top model look-alikes being self hating beta bitches that couldn't get laid. It's the same as height. What are you gonna do? Cry in the corner? There are plenty of dimensions of SMV. Looks, height, muscles, leanness, voice, popularity, wealth, intelligence, humour, social status, game, ability to AMOG a group, interesting life, hobbies etc etc. If you're lacking in one of those, you can make it up with others. Just work on things you can, and you'll be fine.

Flpgneves · 2017-05-18T04:03:25+00:00

The real key factor is body fat. Muscular body can help, but between muscular guy with ugly face and handsome skinny guy, women will prefer the latter.

Moral of the story: don't be fat!

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NabroleonBonaparte · 2017-05-18T02:49:41+00:00

So what am I supposed to do with this info?

Regardless of the truth to it, I fail to see how it improves sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men.

Do I swallow the barrel of a shotgun if my face isn't pretty? What action is supposed to come after reading this?

This was a feminine post, like reading some sort of redpill Cosmo. Only girls worry about if they "measure up." And I'm sure some betas are gonna get all mopey because they don't have MAX facial aesthetics or say "bro this is too bitter for you! You must be mad cause you look like a troll!"

Regardless of this info we're all gonna keep lifting and improving game and our lives. Any additional "facts" is just mental masturbation.

Need2LickMuff · 2017-05-18T02:54:20+00:00

40mm indicator line + forward grown maxilla (about 0.75" in front of eyebrows) and a 5.75" bizygomatic breadth with a prominent jawline even at 20% body fat checking in. Did I make it, OP? Or should I visit Gandy for being mm off?

Reinvented_Myself · 2017-05-18T03:50:01+00:00

I'd go far and say face is even more important than height, too.

Thr33St0r13s · 2017-05-18T04:30:27+00:00

Muscles aren't your attraction, they're a tool. A conversation piece you use to play on someone's physical insecurities.

Face 100% matters more in a vacuum, but that's not where attraction happens. Attraction happens in the dynamic of security. This is why getting shredded makes you leagues more attractive and functions as a game changer. Being able to laugh at the body of a girl who is a 10 and thinks she is a 10 is something that changes everything.

Thotwrecker · 2017-05-18T07:20:11+00:00

Any strategy on TRP or dating or life or anything at all that is based on self-reporting from women or women rating what they think is hot is pretty much useless.

It might be correct, but it's also useless. Face is very, very important to women when it comes to determining their physical attraction right off the bat. But physical attraction is really not that important when it comes to getting them to fuck you. It's a big factor, it's not the only factor - see we don't really have any reason to give a shit about her mentally deciding "ooo that guy is pretty". We care about under the hood, we want her hormones engaged and her pussy wet. Or in scientific terms, her categorizing you as a high status male with social and sexual value.

I agree that people need to swallow the Red Pill about stuff like attractiveness and face and race. But so many people go about it the wrong way - like youtubers who show all these random girls IN FRONT OF THEIR FRIENDS in public photos of a few guys, some ripped and some normal, and say "who is hotter?"

Like that produces zero intel - throw it the garbage, that's corrupted data because she's just going to say what she thinks is the right thing to say, or the thing that makes her feel the way about herself that she wants to feel.

Lastly, you're showing a dude who is not only a model physically, but also well made up and photographed. It's not really what the normal guy is up against, and it's not even what "Chad's" look like. I swear TRP fetishizes Chads so much harder than college thots do - I was in a high mid tier frat and aside from a few crazy aesthetic guys, the majority of the dudes are not facially any different than other guys. Normal ugly ass faces were getting more than their fair share of pussy. This idea that all Chads look like underwear models who also are D1 athletes and also are trustfund babies is just ludicrous. Your ability to be a Chad is not determined by your fucking face. You have to be facially good enough to not be DISQUALIFIED by your face. That's it.

So if your face sucks donkey ass, then lose weight, consult a cosmetic surgeon (I did, call me gay if you want, I got nose surgery after getting it smashed wrestling, and I paid out of pocket to get it reconstructed properly by a cosmetic surgeon instead of the basic minimum procedure my insurance would pay for). I also got lasik to avoid having thick ass frames. You have to maximize what you were born with, and you can help yourself out - the science around what's aesthetically pleasing facially is fascinating. But don't get it confused - if you are ugly and you can't fuck, it's your lack of sexual value holistically that is the problem. Not just your ugliness. Unless you are so facially ugly that you immediately disqualify yourself, I guarantee it's more than the face that's killing your success.

MedinaPharma · 2017-05-18T01:41:17+00:00

Jesus Christ, not another "be attractive" post. You've brainwashed yourself into thinking that looks matter. You linked to all of these pictures, non of which have experimental evidence to support your claims. Have you seen "good looking" guys get laid more than "ugly looking" guys? Unless you follow these mother fuckers all day every day, you don't know for sure. I've been in the PUA community for the last 3 years and I've seen who gets laid and who doesn't. It all comes down to one word; energy. If you have a great energy and know how to navigate through objections and logistics, you will be getting laid by the hottest girls. It's like anything. A girl "thinks" she wants a good looking guy, but in the end, she'll be with the guy that was clever enough to fuck her.

bossplayaintraining · 2017-05-18T01:35:15+00:00

So... my chin falls just short of meeting my upper lip (I have full lips for whatever reason), and my entire nose, lips, & chin are past that imaginary line.

Thoughts?

Andreas1871 · 2017-05-18T02:50:07+00:00

I think working out is great for health and releasing endorphins and stimulating the brain no matter what. But it is not the solution to getting girls. It is a separate thing. I agree with OP.

BargainBinBoyfriend · 2017-05-18T03:08:08+00:00

Having checked a side photo of me and running these tests, I am 50% ugly. Damn weak chin...

themanbat · 2017-05-18T05:34:36+00:00

Bottom line if you're truly ugly as hell, plastic surgery is nothing to be ashamed of. If your face is anywhere near or above average I wouldn't worry about it. If your chin is a bit weak consider growing a beard.

Being in shape is still very important. It's important because most people aren't in shape these days, so it gives you a huge edge. It's important because it makes you feel better and healthier in general. It's important because excess fat simply isn't attractive. You'll notice thay none of the "good looking" examples in OPs prsentation were fat. You don't have to be a body builder but it's never a bad idea to be in good shape. Faces are important and almost everyone's face looks better bit leaner.

That said, women simply aren't as interested in looks as men, and they are much more easily influenced by confidence, status, and achievement than men. How many men are willing to marry a 90 year old woman for her momey or power? Next to none, but women are often willing to make the compromise.

Stay in shape. Learn skills. Become confident in yourself because you are becoming genuinely awesome. Don't do it for women. Do it for yourself.

Itsthepizzafairy · 2017-05-18T01:48:38+00:00

The "face and height are literally everything" makes me think of those sad little sluthate/lookism/r9k weirdos that call everyone "____cels" that talk about mewing and HW brow/ear ratios and maxillas and shit.

glenthedog · 2017-05-18T05:11:49+00:00

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Mckallidon · 2017-05-18T01:27:09+00:00

3/4 of the dudes on here kid themselves. On fitness and numbers. Half these field reports are bullshit. I'm older, I know better guys.

azevedro · 2017-05-18T01:27:50+00:00

Hi there OP, my currently working on a thesis / theory that more or less encapsulates what you said w r t this. The current understanding in the community is wrong. I hope to finish this by next year January. When the content comes, it should help you guys in understanding.

It's good to see greater awareness of this issue, for now. When my theory is finished I will probably give it out to the red pill community first.

Bronze_Karthus · 2017-05-18T04:58:32+00:00

The fuck are you doing comparing celebrities and models to average joes who work their ass off to get big. Ya, they don't hold up to one direction and zac efron but they do against 9/10 average joe's at any given club. zzzzzzzzzz

BudRock56 · 2017-05-18T00:32:09+00:00

Are you going to make us look at erect penises next?

Stationarity · 2017-05-18T05:00:31+00:00

The best way to improve your face is to lower your body fat percentage. Which may or may not correlate with "just lift bro".

Sxmuxl · 2017-05-18T06:04:14+00:00

How do you 'fix' failing at number 1?

iplayhearts · 2017-05-18T06:48:30+00:00

comparing dude's attractiveness while listening to Joe Rogan debate the age of the sphinx... too much internet for today.

lets_move_to_voat · 2017-05-18T11:03:22+00:00

thanks op, you just reminded me i need to pluck my eyebrows

wendysNO1wcheese · 2017-05-18T11:12:44+00:00

Someone make the sideways photo line app now! I NEED TO KNOW IF I’M HOT!

OneRedYear · 2017-05-18T02:28:13+00:00

Seriously. Trump looks like a fat bloated toad. Still has a fucking hot wife. I know tons of guys who have money, they look like average pieces of shit and have hot wives. I know guys who look like fucking male models and have hot wives and average wives. I know losers who think they can't get laid, they don't look any better or worse than the winners I know. Different circumstances, different personalities, different status. Different results. I've had hot chics and ugly chics who worshiped and hated me. Life goes all over the shop. That's the way it is. Live long enough and you'll see.

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DarkuSchneider · 2017-05-18T07:11:11+00:00

There are general traits that nature wires humans to seek but there is always variance. I see some grumbling in the comments but it should be understood much of TRP I have seen is more middle of the curve concepts. The human condition does not allow for many absolutes. I know Rich guys that are not all bad looking and can't get laid without paying an escort. I know an ex Olympian good looking fit as fuck with 2 medals, rich trainer, can't get laid often or gets emotionally mowed down by women when he does and whipped hard. At least he's not dumb enough to get married yet. I know a Sales Mgr that's sub 6 figure money, has a beer gut and a beak like Gonzo. He's married to a former Budweiser model that's still smoking hot after 3 kids and has eyes only for him. He does play in a local band in dive bars which is hip here. There is no Silver Bullet trait, it is a balance and you just work on what you can to maximize your merits and minimize your flaws and don't get hung up by them.

Lifting is not about getting laid, it's a training tool. It's about being able to take on life and the world's struggles and come out stronger. It is healthful and it trains discipline. It is one of the few ways men in this world can constructively cycle cortisol and testosterone and get good metabolic health, strength, and endurance as a bonus. It certainly helps your odds with getting attention but is only a piece of the puzzle. It also strengthens your mind and motivation because you see direct results of your efforts and can blame no one but yourself. It can be used to melt away the darkest of thoughts by fighting the iron instead of losing fame against others, not just women. Unlike the cleverly designed XBOX achievement system, the dopamine shots from your efforts in the gym pays off in Testosterone which is how men keep their metabolic stress low and have the focus and drive to get their business done. Keeping your TS up naturally is proven to keep away heart disease and cancer, especially the prostate both of which kill men in droves.

I hear you all out there about lifting being used as an easy bullhorn to call out but it is one of the essentials. Looks and the halo effect help your odds but is not always guaranteed to get you across the finish line with who you really want. Lift to make a healthy body and cultivate discipline. Also strengthen your mind to be keen and truly know thyself and own your agency. Build strong mental durability and awareness aka frame and game. IMHO

scissor_me_timbers00 · 2017-05-18T09:40:28+00:00

For one, this is just getting a bit too obsessive about your looks. I could feel a vagina sprouting between my legs just reading it.

Secondly, lifting usually DOES improve your face slightly. Tends to make it more angular and masculine and energetic. Doesn't change your bone structure (maybe slightly over years), but it burns away the extra chub and improves your facial angularity with a more athletic look.

Not everyone one can look like Brad Pitt but it's pretty puss to fret about it. Lifting improves you no matter where you're standing.

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JBrogrammer · 2017-05-18T12:53:06+00:00

On the one hand, you are right, on the other hand, all this is not useful information. There is nothing to be gained from believing that you are ugly. You should always see the good things about your self and work hard to make them better, not believe that your efforts are wasted and you might as well give up.

Idiotic, unhelpful post.

fruguy · 2017-05-18T13:01:09+00:00

According to OP, Matthew McConaughey and Ryan Gosling don't have good looking faces.

MattyAnon · 2017-05-18T13:57:08+00:00

Go lift, because:

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Low bodyfat will make your face sharper and more attractive.
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You can't change your face, you can change your body.
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aanarchist · 2017-05-18T03:44:52+00:00

this is inherently blue pill, because you are advocating that women decide what is attractive and what is not, when they do not and should not. the moment you step into a woman's frame you are forever stuck in beta. there are plenty of dudes who look great and lift and rich, they're betas for life because they live in a woman's reality instead of their own. if a woman doesn't like you because your nose doesn't look a certain way, that's her fault not yours, and there's plenty of fish in the sea who will treat you like a king. there's no need to go out pandering to some gold digger's preferences at the expense of your dignity as a man.

DooMachine1 · 2017-05-18T08:19:26+00:00

I'll just leave this

ljubebanjeglav · 2017-05-18T11:31:12+00:00

"as judged by science and women"

Ok, where's the science? How did you get the number of 90 %?

Ok, where are the women? How am I supposed the judge physical attraction of men if I'm not a woman?

Why do you pressupose that if women say that they like skinny pretty boys (have posters, like shit like that on the internet and so on), in real life they wouldn't like more to be manhandled by that buff asian dude for example? If I was a woman I'd choose those muscular dudes over those twigs any time.

You have to take into account also that those guys that are posted that have attractive faces are also models, singers and what not. They are promoted by society, by the fashion industry, by the entertainment industy, as something that is desirable. And women are unconsciously very attentive to what is deemed desirable by society. Which is not to say that they don't like a pretty face when they see one, but it is a much, much less a decisive factor then it is to men.

Now the thing about physical attraction, and I'll speak from experience is: 1) just a component of attraction 2) is overdetermined by "social attraction", that is to say by status. Being physicaly attractive is a possible indicator of high status male. And just to add, social status as such isn't attractive by itself, but how someone who has a body, a face and so on- "bears it".

Thenasus · 2017-05-18T02:55:06+00:00

Sure the face is much more important, but how much can you really do to have a more attractive face besides surgery?

Lifting is a way that really makes a difference in terms of attractiveness.

Everybody has an unique face and there are not alot of options of chaning that, but everybody has a similar physique that you can massively change for the better.

Jorddster · 2017-05-18T05:43:53+00:00

What you're missing is that building muscle isn't just for attracting women.

First and foremost, feeling healthy, strong, and energetic everyday as opposed to feeling like a fat slob/skinny weakling...I think you know what is better.

It builds overall confidence because it gives actual substance to the "alpha" mindset.

It also teaches discipline, which is key to becoming a better man.

bigcitytruth · 2017-05-18T05:56:46+00:00

OP is correct. This is a giant, horse-pill-sized red pill. The pill is brutal in its honesty.

FlatEarthShill69 · 2017-05-18T06:56:46+00:00

Good facial bone structure is a sign of good genetics while literally anyone can get jacked. We look for genetic health not who takes time to go to the gym. Unless of course you are fat but that is a sign of poor genetics in modern culture (lack of willpower, drive, testosterone)

My evidence is a little anecdotal but I haven't ever been very buff. However; im 6'3 and am quite good looking and have been slaying babes with my meat sword on a weekly basis since 18.

woakies · 2017-05-18T07:12:10+00:00

Luckily most guys have decent faces so you can make up for it by being awesome in other departments.

CptFizz · 2017-05-18T07:24:56+00:00

Still boils down to rule #1. Don't be fat.

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Lateralanouncer · 2017-05-18T08:24:01+00:00

I remember a few years ago. Someone did a study on which sport had the hottest guys. Woman voted soccer players. Lean toned men

harsha_hs · 2017-05-18T09:00:12+00:00

There was playboy interview of Quenten Tarantino about his sex life pre and post success of Pulp Fiction. My point is girls may notice a good face, but go all-in for a success! Be successful, you'll have success + pussy.

Thanks guys!

schmolch · 2017-05-18T09:03:01+00:00

If you think your face is ugly make sure it is not because of too much fat. Chisseled ugly faces are very rare, most men simply carry too much fat.

ddin73 · 2017-05-18T09:05:25+00:00

Isn't RP about changing yourself from the inside and developing confidence? Isn't the whole point of lifting and getting your whole life together to raise your SMV.

I'll go one further and say that (to me) becoming 'alpha' is about relentlessly finding and living my purpose/mission in life while making the absolute best of what I've been given - that means lifting, meditating, finding my strengths, developing mastery and gaining complete control over my life/income/situation etc. The SMV and resulting benefits of that are a bonus and a manifestation of my unconditional inner power.

Being insecure and shallow about looks and the cards you've been dealt is BP to me. Comparing yourself to others and feeling insecure is very very beta thinking IMO.

RP/alpha is a mindset - and getting overly girly about looks is definitely not it. Lamenting over what you got out of the genetic lottery and believing that it will make or break your success goes against everything this movement is about.

Is your life purpose to 'fuck bitches'? If so are you dependant on your external appearance to live your purpose? What happens when you 'hit the wall' (which you will if your 'success' is dependant on your looks)?

Or do you want to make an uncompromising impact and a legacy and live your life in a way that said 'bitches' want to be with you?

LangeNacht · 2017-05-18T09:18:47+00:00

I'd say it like this. A woman looks at your whole body, I am including face when I talk about body and some parts of your body are just more important. The face is def the most important part but having a face like the guy in your gif and being 160cm and/or very overweight won't be attractive to most of the women either. Think about Connor Murphy. He is very handsome but without his body I bet he'd attract way less women.

Btw sorry for my poor english, not a native speaker

Call_me_Apollo · 2017-05-18T09:28:12+00:00

If men are still lifting with the goal of being more attractive to the opposite sex then they're still lifting for the wrong reason.

BLACK_TIN_IBIS · 2017-05-18T09:35:46+00:00

Maybe you should go to the store and buy a personality.

joedevice · 2017-05-18T09:41:29+00:00

Problem is with your statement "The redpill is that FACE matters for 90% of physical attractiveness and that it's bluepill to think that body matters more."

You can't change anything about your face so thinking it's more important is redundant, hence the body focus of the redpill because you can actually improve that.

RedPillAlphaBigCock · 2017-05-18T10:01:44+00:00

Why the fuck is this trash #1 ?

Your point is a good looking face is adventitious - no shit

good face + ok body > great body + bad face

Women take in your whole look - your body, face and style - your status - your social skills - your lifestyle - your masculinity - your testosterone - your frame - your leadership skills and your successes, confidence and non neediness

Lessons learned NONE - Be the best you can be

Bomm1e · 2017-05-18T10:51:37+00:00

You're placing too much emphasis on looks, when there's also game and status.

Billee_Boyee · 2017-05-18T12:13:55+00:00

Just to be pedantic- Mayweathers head is tipped backwards, the other guy is ramrod straight. Without some second point on the head to define your line (say from forehead to chin) it doesn't define anything except how far back the head is extended.

Source: Was LMP for ten years. Studying postural deviations is my thing.

CalvinsRunner · 2017-05-18T02:17:53+00:00

As a 16 year old who lifts, my motive is not about getting females. When i began lifting (>1 year ago), my main impulse was because of others saying i was skinny, and so i could gain attention from girls. But as i gradually made gains and learned about the fitness lifestyle which i now pursue, i started to realize that i did not care so much about what others thought of my physique. That part was just an add on (but don't get me wrong, i love when people notice my gains). My motive is to lead a healthy, positive and based lifestyle, which goes far beyond the gym. Also, i would agree that there are more females than you might think who are just kind of indifferent about how good your abs are, or how big your chest is.

Jake420Blaze · 2017-05-18T02:40:00+00:00

True redpill right here. Its too bad that guys who obsess over this kinda stuff (too the point of doing detailed analysis of their face) are guaranteed to be naturally ugly. If you've never thought about this, its because you have a good face. Pretty funny that some beta's will go to the point of posting about it. It screams insecurity and poor op can't see it.

If you think you are hindered by your face then sjw victimhood culture is infecting you, man up and don't blame your face.

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no1nose · 2017-05-18T05:00:03+00:00

I don't fit the typical Red Pill body for attractive. I'm just tall and thin. But I do pretty good out there. Especially since I started reading this sub and realizing the truth about sex, women and reality.

underrdog · 2017-05-18T09:32:38+00:00

Money + Power can make very ugly men into sexy chad. Get both.

MrRobotTheorist · 2017-05-18T03:21:22+00:00

I guess I pass the test lol.

ranoutofthrowaways2 · 2017-05-18T11:10:11+00:00

Hmm, I think you're right, but think your post does more bad than good I'm that it basically says "you're ugly" to those who don't pass the test. I'm not salty because I passed your "test" but just my 2 cents.

Anyways, today's day 1 of me working out, and now I'm really reconsidering though. Feel like if I don't need physique all that much, why not spend my time doing something more productive? On top of time spent going to the gym, I'll be sore all the time, which will screw with my productivity.

SeanRomanowski · 2017-05-18T13:25:32+00:00

This subreddit is both hilarious and absolutely terrifying at the same time

whatwasthatcat · 2017-05-18T01:48:47+00:00

Absolute horseshit my friend. It is 95% about body. That is, outside extremes (as long as you are not extremely ugly or extremely good looking), body matters much more.

Women want guys who take up SIZE. They like BIG guys. That is why women prefer fat guys to super skinny guys. They associate skininness with betaness. If you are only a little bit skinny, then not all women will mind, but if you are really skinny, then even ugly/fat/flat super skinny girls will all reject you.

You are clearly insecure about your face and you are dealing with your inability to get women by incorrectly being obsessed about the importance of a face.

Look around you, there are TONS of ugly big guys with hot girls, and no, not all of them are rich. Don't forget that ALPHANESS is what it all comes down to, and a BIG BODY=alpha. It is much more of an indicator of alphaness to women than a good looking face. True, square jaws and stuff are alpha too, but there are very few super good looking guys. Let me say it like this: if your body is a 4/10 and your face is 7/10, you will lose out to a guy with a 7/10 body and 4/10 face ANY DAY. I am a living example of this. My face is a 6/10, and I am super skinny. I have seen TONS of 3/10 and 4/10 faces big fat short guys with hot girlfriends, but I have NEVER seen a guy as skinny as me with a decent looking girlfriend, the ones who have a girlfriend, she is much worse looking than himself. As for me, only 3/10 girls go for me, nothing over than that. I know TONS of UGLY 3/10 faced chubby short bald guys with 6/10 faced girls with decent bodies.

I find that the guys who say face is important are just looking for an excuse, because you can't change your face. So they want to say "look it is out of my hands, I can't change my face, THAT is why I can't girls." You need to stop this victimizing mentality. OPEN your fucking eyes... there are TONS of SHORT, FAT, UGLY, BETA, UNFUNNY, BROWN, ASIAN (I am saying this because I heard a lot of brown and asian guys complain about not being able to get girls in Western countries, but I see tons of brown and asian girls with all types of girls: but they only have one thing in common: none are skinny) guys with decent looking girls. The ONLY excuse to not get girls is if you are super skinny. Even super short guys can at least find some decent looking girl to settle down with. I know this guy who is 5'5" and sounds like a little clown and has a totally round jaw baby face. Even he got a decent looking girl taller than himself. Why? Because he wasn't super skinny. As long as you are not super skinny, you have only yourself to blame for not getting girls.

EDIT: lol at pathetic feminine guys who are downvoting me just because I am saying the truth. Your face is not the reason you can't get girls, the reason is that you are pathetic and feminine, as demonstrated by your downvotes.

Title	Brutal redpill that no one here ever talks about, how physically attractive you REALLY are, as judged by science and women
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Upvotes	184
Comments	171
Date	May 18, 2017 12:29 AM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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