False Rape Accusations Advice Megathread

sadomasochrist · 2020-07-06T16:10:39+00:00

There's a proclivity to focus on how to prevent such a thing, and there's ample writing about this.

But the truth of the matter, is the vast majority of these issues are mostly related to one point.

DO NOT TALK TO THE POLICE

The vast majority of false rape cases involve men talking to the police and establishing a lot of legal reasons why you could be a rapist, and that's what a court decides.

Your goal, of course, is to never see a court room. And to do that, there needs to be little to no basis for such accusation.

What the court system uses to decide this, is something called a grand jury (or a judge themselves). They look at available evidence and decide whether or not they would reasonably be able to get a conviction or if a crime had been committed.

When you say "yeah but both of us were drunk" you've already committed a crime. So you skip right to trial, more or less.

When you practice the art of shut the fuck up, it becomes the onus of the prosecutor, police and court to prove you committed to a crime.

One persons accusation alone is not sufficient for a conviction, no matter what fear mongering you read online.

It's just that most people who get bagged on this stuff don't let the jury have a reasonable doubt.

Two people in honest communication with each other in hindsight isn't going to paint the picture her emotions paint.

There is a good reason why schools try to use their own kangaroo courts rather than a court of law. The vast majority of cases would never even reach a court room.

That's because most guys are smart enough to keep their mouth shut, guilty or innocent.

The mistake made here, sadly enough is most of the guys on here bellyaching about this have no intent of ever being a bad guy. But they'd be the first one to paint themselves in a corner by opening their mouth and trying to explain they're a good guy and not realizing that isn't the police officer's job to determine.

redpillschool · 2020-07-06T15:00:00+00:00

Unfortunately, drunk hookups have become a legal minefield. Yes, they're the most common type of hookup, but if you want to avoid risk, cut drunk hookups out of the equation.

Also, if at all possible avoid BPD chicks.

BasedAndRedPilled_ · 2020-07-06T15:03:30+00:00

Rape laws in this country are ridiculous, if two people get drunk and fuck it’s rape. If one person gets drunk/high it’s rape. If she doesn’t say “yes” on every thrust it’s rape. If she regrets it the morning after it’s rape.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for hanging actual rapists like Ted Bundy from a tree, but you’re responsible for your actions. If you get drunk it’s your fault. It should only count as rape if one of the parties says “no” unequivocally or force is used.

Making rape allegations in public should be illegal, and the only time you can say “person x is a rapist” is after a conviction in court.

Woujo · 2020-07-06T16:38:05+00:00

Source: I am a lawyer, but not a rape/criminal lawyer. I can give you this advice anyway:

Before the accusation

Documentation In legal disputes, the only thing the court can go on is the documentation. If you have better documentation than her, you win. Rape is such a controversial and divisive topic because most people don't document their sexual encounters so it is literally impossible to figure out what happened behind closed doors. Unless you want to secretly record the woman in your room (which can open a whole other can of worms if you get caught), your best documentation is the texts between you and her. I always recommend getting some kind of positive texts on the record after the encounter. It is a hard time to argue you got raped if you texted the guy "hey I had a great time last night" the morning after.

The Story. Humans think in stories, so the best way to convince her AND the court that the sex was consensual you need to build a good story. For example, if the story is "a guy met a drunk girl, brought her back to his apartment, fucked her, and put her in a cab" that story SOUNDS a lot more like rape than "Guy and a girl go on a date, they have a romantic dinner, they go back to his place, wake up in the morning, and go to brunch."

Pre-Screen Don't fuck girls that seem like they would falsely accuse you of rape. Obviously, there is no way to know for sure if she will do that kind of thing, but if she is emotionally unstable, seems to have a history of this kind of thing, seems to be vindictive towards men, or reluctant about having sex with you, cut her loose.

Leave her on good terms. A lot of women make false rape accusations because they "regret" having sex, and women often "regret" having sex because the guy did something to make them feel shitty. Even if you think you are having a one-night stands, you need to make women feel like there might be some kind of future with you. "I fucked her and kicked her out" sounds great in a rap song, but in real life you don't want the woman to leave with a bitter heart.

After the accusation:

Get a good lawyer. Yes, good lawyers are expensive, but it is worth it. Just do it. Tons of people have had their lives ruined because they didn't get a lawyer. Rape is a very serious accusation so at the first hint that there might be a rape accusation coming you need to get a lawyer. If you get a lawyer before she does you can often scare her into not pursuing it. People are afraid of lawyers.

Don't talk to the police without a lawyer. Ever. The police are not your friend. A lot of people think that they can just "clear things up" by talking to the police but then something they say is used against them. Watch this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Work it out with her For most legal disputes, the solution is to just work it out. If you can "resolve" the issue with her, that is your best bet (do this all on advice of your attorney). The main thing that motivates people in legal disputes is personal anger and their desire to ruin the other person's life, so if you can somehow "settle" things and leave everybody feeling good, that is your best bet, even if the settlement is not technically fair to you.

Fight. If people are trying to violate your rights, you must fight. Most people operate in legal disputes out of fear, so when a woman makes a rape accusation everybody gets into CYA mode and starts bowing down to her so they don't get in trouble. You (and your lawyer) must fight and make it seem like the consequences of depriving your rights is worse than whatever consequences come from her. For example, if your school wants to suspend you or release your name, you need to put so much pressure on them that they decide to reverse their decision.

Don't Make Any Public Statements People get really self-righteous when it comes to rape, even if there is no evidence, so arguing with them is not going to turn out well for you. Just go silent. They can talk to your lawyer.

ToraChan23 · 2020-07-06T17:03:13+00:00

Don’t have sex with drunk/under the influence women. Even ones that you know.
Don’t bother with women who don’t have anything to lose, both professionally and socially.
Never hookup with randoms at your place. They can fuck your shit up if things go left, and return anytime they want to cause trouble. Also, you don’t have to deal with them sleeping over and refusing to leave
Have a random comment on your hookup or check in with them after the fact to show that it was consensual and wanted. Example: a text from her saying how good the sex was or setting up another meeting at a later date

Rkingpin · 2020-07-06T15:46:04+00:00

The morning after text is an underrated key here.

Also for us younger guys nothing wrong with a post-sex selfie. Bitches love those cheesy filters and shit.

I get girls who like making sex tapes. This is also protection

Pestilence1911 · 2020-07-06T17:24:47+00:00

My friend was falsely accused of sexual assault and forcible confinement.

He served 11 days in solitary confinement based on a woman's testimony, with no other evidence, and the four of us (who were downstairs) saying nothing happened.

Everytime we went upstairs to be dinks (we were all 16~) she was on-top of him.

I'll answer any questions you guys have about the process in Canada,

Even now, 10 years later people still call the guy a rapist,. The chick now has a kid with someone 30+ years older than her, and is a nurse.

He wasn't allowed to charge her with defamation of character, because it would discourage other victims from coming forward.

mortalcoil1 · 2020-07-06T16:07:28+00:00

Just make her breakfast and snap some pictures of you guys enjoying breakfast together.

GayLubeOil · 2020-07-06T16:19:37+00:00

After speaking to a couple of people who have gone through this process, here's how it works.

You hookup with some girl. Maybe you have sex maybe it's just kissing whatever. Point is your not the kind of person to violently have sex with a person against her will.
The girl regrets having sex with you. She could be in a relationship, have religious parents or be part of the new SJW religion which looks down on sexual relations unless it's two homos squirting aids up each other or a tranny molesting a child at a library or ßid∃n molesting children on camera is also ok, according to these people.
One of her friends convinces her that she was raped. At this point history is magically rewriten and she is absolved of the guilt of having had sex with a white cis hetro patriarchal colonizer of thriving diverse civilization of KangZ.
She and her friends then start trashing you on social media.
They get the school involved and make a formal complaint to the university student health services center which is filled with "belive all women leftists". They don't care about evidence and know you did it. The university and police will work actively to suppress all evidence that you didn't do it.
You get a lawyer and pay him huge sums of money to point out that nobody followed basic legal process and the whole thing is dismissed as numerous contradictons are revealed.
Nobody cares about slandering you and they act like the whole thing never happened.
You switch schools.

SKRedPill · 2020-07-06T17:28:49+00:00

Keep your phone recorder on all the time. All you need to do is turn it on once. That will record everything your lawyer needs to know. I had my laptop recorder on for days in my hellish marriage and opened 30 other apps to bury it in the taskbar. It recorded some of the worst spine chilling shit imaginable.

Yeah and your phone can record calls too very easily.

My ex probably suspected I had captured a lot of what she said and did. That and maybe fear of reputation loss in a conservative country meant she didn't contest at all.

Save your chats and selfies and pics. Preserve all call records, sms whatsapp and other social media history. If she has a habit of blowing up your phone, it will help to keep that for your lawyer.

Do your part to sensitize more people (other men), the internet and your families about these behaviours. Don't hesitate to burn the enemy's reputation in more calculated ways.

Not sure if you can put a secret camera on your shirt or your place. I would really like that.

Cameras with audio at your business absolutely. You never know when it can save your skin.

Don't get drunk. Your alertness is your best friend.

Don't fight with a crazy on Twitter or FB. Get a lawyer to speak to her first. When the war's over, then spill the beans and spread the word. Your enemy can't fight back at that stage.

Don't explain or talk anything to the police. Know your rights. The more you talk, the more every word will be used against you. My lawyer told me to just keep quiet and let him do all the talking. STFU.

Keep some sane women on your side, preferably family, who can act as eyewitnesses or alibi, who can fight fire with fire. It will be their word vs your accusers. I know a guy whose wife saved him from a bunch of crooks who screamed rape as she was with him at the time. Ok, for this said women must be on your side at that moment in the first place, but it's always useful.

Get said women in your family to talk about false rape accusations.

If you have friends or family, when shit threatens to hit the fan, forward them a copy of all the evidence so they can held testify in your favour.

A false rape accusation is a female's version of rape -- on your freedom of commitment.

Do not stick your dick in crazy, drunk, drugs or worse.

If you have money, beware of gold diggers who may just frame you out of the blue.

While you STFU, the best tactic to beat a false accuser is to let them talk their way into exposing themselves with increasingly contradictory or ridiculous claims over time since no one can tell too many lies consistently.

Do not text anything sexually too explicit from your end, but make sure to get her to bare all her emotions good and bad in writing if possible. At any cost, do not communicate stupid or angry emotions and bad language in text.

TRP_Scepter · 2020-07-06T15:49:45+00:00

I've cut drunk women out of my sexual life completely. I don't care how hot she is, I love my freedom more.

As for what to do when you've been falsely accused, you need to sit down, call a lawyer, get the fuck off of social media and shut the flying fuck up until the legal system hopefully does it's job.

Do not talk about it. Do not talk to parties involved. Do not apologize.

Just get a lawyer, get your story prepared and congruent, and pray.

throwaway69764 · 2020-07-06T15:00:04+00:00

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Ikar11 · 2020-07-06T16:02:29+00:00

Question. If anyone posted it anonymously seeking help, without disclosing much details, is it still a problem?

positiveredpill · 2020-07-06T21:43:42+00:00

I've been accused by an ex. The main thing that makes them want to do this is envy. If your a badass alpha making moves every single time you do something meaningful or relevant she will blast you. It never goes away, she will turn your friends against you and most of the blue pill beta boys will share the posts to "warn" others and virtue signal how much they love women. The only thing you can do is shut up, document, and try very carefully to convince the court of public opinion that your not a creep. These are dark times for men. All it takes is one lonely girl or a woman who gets caught cheating and your life is over. Sidenote: if your an actual rapist, get therapy. I do not condone that shit.

mgtowthroww · 2020-07-06T20:14:26+00:00

Most rape allegations aren't from strangers. But rather former girlfriends and wives when they want revenge. Go on over to /r/falserapeaccusations and you will see for yourself.
My OWN ex-wife filed false rape allegations!

omen_tenebris · 2020-07-06T15:13:32+00:00

Sue the person

2020-07-07T01:52:34+00:00

Just voice record every sexual interaction.

If a girl notices you recording it (this actually happened to me last weekend) then just tell her it's for your own safety. She actually understood and was like that's totally fine.

samsmith67 · 2020-07-06T22:14:59+00:00

I had this recently--til I reminded her she paid for the hotel room--never heard from her again

YamaCT · 2020-07-06T16:03:14+00:00

Real pro strat: I have an echo that I keep by my bed. When sex starts, I’ll ask the girl if she’s cool with being recorded (most are) and flick on my echo to record video + sound. Then I’ll also switch on voice memo from my phone to record audio in better detail.

Along with that, I have no social media beyond snap, insta and reddit. None of which link to my employer. I also never tell women exactly where I work, so there’s a 0 percent chance of me losing my job because of some random girl. In class, I’m nice and to myself usually since I keep my group of friend reserved to my enlisted buddies. So if some random chick starts going off about us sleeping together, no social ramifications. Oh and on the off chance a woman ever does try to come after me (only one has), I’ll play my consensually obtained recordings. If need be in the future, I’m also of means to pursue litigation.

This has saved my ass a few times and I would suggest and young, successful men do the same.

Johnfeb94 · 2020-07-06T15:21:44+00:00

Best way to avoid false rape allegations and still have sex: be good looking

asdf333aza · 2020-07-06T21:42:24+00:00

I have hidden cameras all throughout my house. I can turn them on from my phone with the press of a button. On the drive to my place I can turn them on before I get there and it wouldn't draw any more attention than you glancing at your phone for 5 secone. And I record nearly every encounter I have with females who I am hooking up with. Everything from when she came in the door and from when she left is most likely caught on camera even her consenting to sex. And on the off chance I go to her place I have an app on my phone that is records audio and video in the background. But I haven't had to use that one. I haven't been accused, but I've heard more than enough stories to know to protect myself from women. And I don't post any of the videos online cause I'm not trying to be a pornstar or embarrass any of them. So none of the girls even know I have the tapes. But I basically bullet proof myself with every sexual encounter. 😂 maybe after 6months of datint or something I might ease up, but I rarely keep a girl around that long.

My lawyers will have an easier time fighting a surveillance charge than a false rape allegation. And considering that those video will prove the female lied about something much more sinister, I think I'll do just fine.

boy_named_su · 2020-07-06T19:10:51+00:00

i think one good strategy is to have a reserve of money to hit her with a defamation suit as soon as you are accused

(or keep a lawyer on retainer)

also, keep your texts, put a video cam in your living room and bedroom - try to fuck at your place, and consider recording your calls (if you can in your jurisdiction)

OPs_Real_Mom · 2020-07-08T11:47:10+00:00

So many people in the smash bros community are having allegations thrown at them and the idiots are writing fucking paragraphs to detail their "experiences" and apologies. Literally, admitting to the crime or alluding to it happening. If anybody decides to report them to the police there case might as well be start learning how to give head.

subud123 · 2020-07-06T16:54:19+00:00

Admit your fucked and take the plea deal. My brother refused because he said he never raped anyone. He got 25 yrs instead of the 8 he was offered. You would think a he said she said with no evidence would be thrown out. Nope. She said carries a lot more weight in the judicial system than he said.

MajinD0pe · 2020-07-06T18:17:19+00:00

Dont put your dick in Crazy

SKRedPill · 2020-07-07T06:28:56+00:00

Have this thread pinned up for 2 weeks please.

mgtowthroww · 2020-07-06T20:16:07+00:00

How to prevent? You can audio record on your phone. Just turn it on before you have sex and then save it to Google Drive or something afterwards. That way if she ever claims rape, you can always show the audio where she never said "No".

Another idea is you can text them the next day and say "I had a great time last night". If they say "Me Too", then that's a record for future.

samsmith67 · 2020-07-06T21:14:40+00:00

I'm sooo glad that little pussyboy singer is going legal on those twitter thots that threw the obviously bs accusation on him.

Save all e-mails and receipts from chicks you deal with Jian Ghomeishi style fellas.

autoeroticassfxation · 2020-07-06T21:36:29+00:00

Why can't I see any of the comments?

Andgelyo · 2020-07-07T01:41:21+00:00

Luckily never got into situation, as I am now in a long term relationship with a pretty solid girlfriend. However, evidence and proof is EVERYTHING imo. If you’re sexting a girl, save the conversation, pics, and any videos you have of her. I would even go so far as to record yourself sleeping with her.

organicsunshine · 2020-07-07T05:13:15+00:00

Watch American Crime 3 on Netflix. There is no way out even if raped by men. Stand up.

Landsherr · 2020-07-07T07:06:18+00:00

So I have this idea. What if we put up some sensors on the bed and some Infrared cameras in the room. That stuff will show that the girl in most cases was willingly have sex and bonus points if the data shows that in many cases the girl was willingly coming towards us.

Also, with the recent allegations, many are anonymous for instance the ucr and scv allegations. I suspect many such mediums are being used by guys to overthrow frat presidents, and other people in position of power within the campus. How do we protect against such anonymous accounts which post allegations in the mass.

Fiyin20 · 2020-07-08T19:51:33+00:00

Ex falsely accused after I broke up with her ffg 3-years of relationship, she was an angel during the relationship and I never saw that shit coming. She was told my friends anyways, called a family member to also tell them that “I raped her during our first sex and she consented to all subsequent sex we had” Family asked me what happened told them I never did, in fact she came to meet me to have sex, told her she didn’t need to, said she was ready! And now the accusation. Family reached out to her, said they have heard my side of the story and she can go ahead to do whatever she wants to do, that they believe my side of the story. Ex is yet to come back. Stored away all exchanges we had during relationship, emails she sent when we broke up, voice recordings — all stored away.

Save receipts kings.

UltimaterializerX · 2020-07-06T15:51:38+00:00

You avoid false rape allegations by either not having sex, a consent form, or secretly filming everything.

jojojijo333 · 2020-07-06T19:57:48+00:00

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False Rape Accusations Advice Megathread

This megathread is about how to avoid false rape accusations, and what to do if somebody falsely accuses you of rape.

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Title	False Rape Accusations Advice Megathread
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