Nootropics - Anybody have experience with Noopept, Modafinil, Phenibut, Kratom, etc?

animalpoo · 2015-02-04T18:40:48+00:00

Utilised and gained massive benefits from modifinal and phenibut, I'd go as far to say that I owe a lot of my success to them.

Modifinal: in university proceeding ingestion my study time would increase from 45 minutes to 8-10 hours. The benefits carried over after I ran out, I'd have taught myself discipline and no longer needed Modifinal as a crutch to exceed my studying abilities. Now a days, if I ever go on a night out on a work day, I can work on 0 hours of sleep and feel fine. It's great.

Phenibut: phenibut gives you a monumental experience of not giving a fuck at all. The first time of taking phenibut I had the pleasure of bumping into a recent ex, the type that will do everything in her power to make you feel miserable if you let her. This delightful girl was slutting it all over the dance floor, grabbing lads and kissing them (she hates kissing). She'd throw them into me when I wouldn't pay the situation any attention as in to say "look at me , look what I've got", 0 fucks where given ( I was still emotionally attached to her back then). I proceeded to bang a cute Irish girl that night.

Mixing with alcohol does elicit some interesting experiences . It caused me to experience a level of "fucked" that I shouldn't have, it's a moment I like to call "planet of the ape drunk". I blacked out and vaguely remember running over a series of cars, falling off of them and charging into the next one whilst screaming like an ape. I managed to get home and woke my entire house up flipping furniture and again making ape noises. This is out of character for me.

Phenibut has also helped me land a job before. I endured a lot of assessment centres and one of the main hurdles id fall at was the elevator pitch. You'd stand up and introduce yourself or explain why this person you've just met should get the job you're after. This was done in front of 40 strangers, shaky voice and awkward comments ensued, phenibut relinquished this allowing me to be my best self in the assessment centre . I got the job first time using phenibut vs the other 8 times I tried without.

juanqunt · 2015-02-04T16:55:57+00:00

Healthy diet is most important. If you have high sleep efficiency and a good diet, things will fall into place in your day to day life. I've used modafinil, adderall, ephedrine, and halotestin in certain very rare situations when I needed a specific type of boost, but in general, I use nothing other than the little amount of caffeine found in a cup of morning green tea per day.

The more that you use a drug, the less of an effect you will feel in the future. There's a negative feedback loop. So best solution is to use nothing at all most of the time, then a small dose will get you running when you really need it.

For nearly a year, I was semi-addicted to ECA (200mg caffeine, 25mg ephedrine, and optional aspirin) at least twice a day, sometimes 5 times on busy/exam days. It keeps you lean: 8% body fat without dieting effort and you're always wired and ready to go... but then I realized it's just a waste of money, and after a while, I no longer felt the boost effect. I wouldn't even bother going to class when I didn't take my ECA, so I decided to go cold turkey.

I still have a huge stash of choline and piracetam, but never used them consistently enough to tell if there is an effect. Nowadays, I just have a small breakfast of eggs, liver, chocolate, and fruit juice. That usually keeps me running even if I skip lunch and take no stimulants.

Another important effect comes from intense workouts. When you do heavy lifting or tough HIIT, that drains your energy, but you get adapted to training that way everyday and still be able to to function when sleeping 6-8 hours per day. When you get super busy, you can temporarily stop training for a week, and you'd feel energized for that whole week on significantly less sleep.

GRRMkills · 2015-02-04T19:21:33+00:00

Phenibut is pretty great. If you're looking for something anxiolytic (anti anxiety) it's one of the best. Makes people who are on it quite charismatic, with none of the cloudiness or other side effects of alcohol, and it also lasts a long time (~24 hours). A couple of my friends call it the "pick up drug" because of how useful it is at helping them pick up girls. Only take it two times or so a week (horrible withdrawals, huge potential for tolerance), start at a dosage of 500mg. Be aware that your decision making skills will be somewhat impaired because of a lack of inhibitions, you will say and do things that you wouldn't seriously consider doing while not on it (think along the lines of being drunk)

No personal experience with Modafinil, but it was wonderful for motivation for a friend of mine. Long lasting, great attention enhancement. However, it also fucked him up and he regrets ever taking it. There's some crazy side effects for this, so be careful, but I've also heard it works wonders for some people with ADHD like you

Disclaimer: Not a doctor, not giving medical advice, don't blame me if you take these drugs and fuck yourself up

Speed9402 · 2015-02-04T17:43:08+00:00

Yup. Modafinil is quite an experience. Got so much school work done while on it, it's unreal. Felt like I entered a video game cheat code I got so much shit done and was so productive. At one point I must have only got 4 hours of sleep in 2 days. Only knock for me is that it fucks up your sleeping pattern if you over use it. But it's hard to actually "abuse" because there is no high attached to it, and who the hell wants to stay up for 24 hours a day?

But yeah, great for school work. I prefer it over adderall because adderall has a minor high attached to it. Gonna try Phenibut next.

JarOfToothpicks · 2015-02-04T16:31:55+00:00

When it comes to phenibut and kratom, be very wary. Extended use of both will cause physical dependency and withdrawals upon quitting.

niczar · 2015-02-04T20:52:34+00:00

I'm on modafinil for medical reasons (idiopathic hypersomnia and ADHD), as well as ritalin.

Modafinil does not help much for ADHD, except in that it removes the mental fatigue of having forced yourself to concentrate. It does not make it easier in the first place, though.

Ritalin helps a bit with motivation, but in my severe case not in an immediately noticeable way. I can objectively say that it does though, looking back, as when I don't renew my prescription and rely on modafinil only, my work is definitively worse.

Phenibut is classified as "high risk" in /r/nootropics, it's comparable to benzos with the advantage of being freely available but has the same risks (addiction). Not very good for me, it removes anxiety very powerfully but it makes my brain slow, I have trouble holding a conversation while on it. YMMV. I recommend theanine if you want something that works for anxiety, the effect is not obvious but when I look back at when I take it, I can definitely say it helps.

Currently I'm trying out selegiline, an MAOI-B inhibitor. It's quite risky, so I got myself a blood pressure monitor. So far so good. You can get it cheaply from india with less hassle than scoring stims, and it feels promising.

TheOneWhoWokeUp · 2015-02-04T18:45:29+00:00

From all my research (reading other people's testimonies online) really the best stack I have heard for long term us is simply L Theanine and Caffeine. The Caffeine gives you energy and focus but the L Theanine also takes away the "jitteryness" of the Caffeine. What that means is that you are cool as a cucumber while still ready to get shit done. Anything else I hear is not sustainable for longer periods of time and addiction becomes a real problem.

DonArturo · 2015-02-04T21:15:10+00:00

I used modafinil a lot for a few years as a productivity enabler. The longest I went was a three-day work sprint, which was doable but definitely pushing it. You don't feel mentally tired but eventually the body starts aching for sleep.

The only side effect I noticed was a certain obsessive-compulsive tendency; perhaps a result of increased concentration. For example, I once sat all night watching every YouTube video on a particular subject, and hardly noticed the time passing. Good for studying.

I don't use modafinil much any longer, as reading Mark Sisson and Robb Wolf convinced me of the importance of sleep. Chapter 2 of Sisson's The Primal Blueprint offers a good cautionary tale of how things (don't) work when your hormones are all out of whack, such as when not getting enough sleep and eating badly. Not to mention, you really need your restful sleep and proper nutrition if you want to improve when lifting.

That said, I do still keep some modafinil at hand. If I absolutely have to do a long drive, or work through the night, I might as well not be tired and sleepy while doing so. That is, I don't use modafinil as an enabler any longer, just as a relief when necessary.

103003B8O02074A4 · 2015-02-04T22:59:43+00:00

Before you turn to drugs, try meditation and consistent dual n-back training.

Brassporkchop · 2015-02-05T00:30:22+00:00

What about adrafinil? Any good?

PipingHotSoup · 2015-02-05T02:26:58+00:00

I've got a side noo you might appreciate: Huperzine A, the extract of a chinese moss.

It was unrealized how excellent it was b/c most research about it came from china and was blown off, but the stuff is wonderful.

I've used 3 different preparations: the most common is something called "Focus Factor" you can actually buy at costco, it has a couple other ingredients such as vinpocetine (from periwinkle flower, helps blood flow), bacopa monnieri, and some DMAE. This preparation is moderately effective and is noticeable if you're building a formula to add to one of your spreadsheets (for a side hustle or to brainstorm) or learning words in a new language.

Another preparation was just Huperzine A extract, and was like a more effective version of above. My diet (at least at the time) was excellent enough that I just needed the good stuff, and the other nutrients were kinda meh.

The last preparation I got about a week ago, for the sole reason some muscly near-genius half my age at work gifted me a couple, it's called Alphabrain from Joe rogans "Onnit" website. Comes out to about a dollar a pill, has a lot of the same ingredients as focusfactor (also has bacopa monnieri and vinpocetine, but also some excellent amino acids like l-theanine and l-tyrosine) but somehow is just much much better.

This stuff is the only non-racetam, non-stimulant noo that I've used w/ significant positive effects and i'd highly recommend it.

bullyfootrookie · 2015-02-05T02:38:55+00:00

Not seeing enough about Noopept so I'll jump in.

I take about 60mg about 4 days a week. You might only really notice the effects the first time you take it. The effects are very subtle. After a few weeks of consistent use it gives you amazing clarity of thought and what you say comes out a lot smoother. I find myself being more eloquent and able to use the full extent of my vocabulary when on it and that just builds more and more confidence as the day goes on. If you stack it with L-Theanine, it's great for social situations.

When it comes to work, the same clarity of thought helps me be a lot more efficient and I can usually do an hour's worth of work in 15 minutes simply by being more focused on the task at hand.

Theanine, as I mentioned above, is great at relaxing you. I take about 400-600mg depending on if I have a game that night. I tend to overthink a lot less on it and my body just goes on autopilot. Definitely endorse it for sports and stressful social situations like job interviews or something.

I also just ordered Phenibut a few days ago so good to see some good reviews here. Can't wait to try it out.

cocaine_face · 2015-02-04T17:35:11+00:00

The main thing I've noticed with Nootropics (either amphetamine related or otherwise) is that you have to keep your concentration focused on the thing you want to work on or else you will become easily distracted and pursue some other course of action.

Piracetam is fairly mild but good for anyone starting on this road. Not bad for you in anyway and can be used without withdrawls or dependencies. Piracetam + choline + alcohol can be very synergistic for pickup, however you MUST limit your alcohol intake to significantly lower than you would normally or you will get very, very, very drunk (piracetam increases blood flow to the brain).

Adderal/Ritalin etc are a bit more powerful, and at first lead to a feeling of godhood. Can be great productivity enhancers when you know how to direct yourself on them.

For pickup, I recommend Xanax over alcohol, honestly (though you usually can't get around the latter entirely). You have the relaxation and calm of alcohol without the fogginess of drinking. You will be far less inhibited however, so watch your actions.

johnyann · 2015-02-04T17:05:11+00:00

I'm a big time Pregnenalone guy.

Also combine it with Maca.

Was basically the way I got myself off of vyvance dependancy. I've actually found my new combo to be far more effective than Vyvance ever was. Much less manic. Far more focused.

It's just better.

anothercarguy · 2015-02-04T18:41:50+00:00

I love modafinil! It is different from the other stimulants in that it is VERY broad, amphetamine stimulants work on only 1 of the dopaminergic pathways. As such you have stimulation of the PFC, Amygdaloid complex, global serotonin increase etc. Which means it will help to motivate you to do work but isn't going to give you that hyper focus on anything in front of you like amphetamines do. You wont type 80 WPM either. You will remember and recall better. No speedy feeling but when a cop pulls up behind you, that serotonin response in your gut is way magnified and prolonged. As such I always wanted to go on a roller coaster while on it. Sleep: not needed with it. Like seriously just not needed. Don't stay up for more than 3 days, your IQ will start to drop until you get rest.

Caution: as it is a global stimulant, mixing it with amphetamines can be VERY dangerous. You can inadvertently ablate dopaminergic pathway which will leave you permanently crazy. Like sitting in the middle of the street naked mumbling / yelling incoherently crazy. Then you'd kill yourself. So if you take it, stick to booze, weed. No coke, meth or E.

Diet: Eat healthy. Sugar contributes to loss of focus, as does not eating. Try to be balanced in your diet, eat on schedule, work out too.

ILUSIAN · 2015-02-04T19:26:35+00:00

Aniracitam and piracitam. They didn't do much for me even with choline. Tried different dossages but it did make caffeine much more intense.

bobjoe177 · 2015-02-04T19:56:53+00:00

i've heard that kratom can be good for people getting off of opiates.

PowerVitamin · 2015-02-04T21:02:41+00:00

<-- Similar situation.

Have tried many things.

Conclusion: Lifting.

However, temporary cures that have benefits:

Lack of Sleep: Huperzine-A

Depression: 5-HTP (Temporary Relief)

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-02-04T21:56:44+00:00

A SIGN YOU ARE GETTING OLD

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People talk about drugs you have never even heard of before. (53 years old)

InferiousX · 2015-02-04T22:12:47+00:00

I've found that Theanine is an excellent supplement to take for honing mental clarity while simultaneously reducing anxiety. It pairs great with coffee. Gives you that "zing" and clarity without the jitters or anxiety that drinking coffee comes with. Matter of fact, I'm not really able to have coffee without it at this point, it causes my nerves to get too "frayed"

ZMA is one that I've been wanting to try as well. I hear it increases sleep quality while increasing performance in the gym and athletics. Aaron Rodgers swears by it.

RP_Student · 2015-02-04T22:13:38+00:00

I take phenibut a lot. Its cheap, like $35 dollars for an amount that will last me, a heavy user, 3-6 months. I don't feel that extreme an effect anymore but I still feel better, more intelligent, less anxious, more likely to start small talk (I'm an introvert), and it helps me last in bed. Drinking with it is insane. I used to drink a ton and when I would go out with 1-2 grams of phenibut and 6 or so beers I'd get this incredible drunk feeling where I"d feel blackout level drunk in terms of lack of inhibition and anxiety but still totally in control. It kind of reminded me of doing a little coke and getting really drunk. If you take a lot (for me like 3+ grams, before building tolerance that might be more like 1.5 grams) you will either get really nauseous or really sleepy.

The problem with Phenibut is its easy to build tolerance and the withdrawal can be pretty bad. I've only been through one legit withdrawal and it felt like I was having these rolling panic attacks where I couldn't focus and felt like something terrible had just happened. The worst part is it happened in the middle of a six hour accounting midterm.

Dave_the_Pigeon · 2015-02-05T00:07:40+00:00

I've used modafinil a few times. I definitely get intensified focus and improved cognitive abilities, and an odd calming feeling towards the end of use that was actually really surreal.

If I could identify a reliable source (i.e. for the legit version provigil) I would consider limited long-term use.

Jamfs · 2015-02-05T01:44:20+00:00

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rp_valiant · 2015-02-05T10:10:00+00:00

I've had some very positive experiences with modafinil (specifically modalert), but if you're looking to use it to perform some productive work I'd suggest removing anything from your environment that could distract you as the drug is starting to take effect - modafinil will amplify your focus on whatever it is that you're currently doing, so don't waste the experience by intensely browsing reddit for hours because you happened to leave a tab open as you were coming up.

the experience is similar to a combination of tunnel vision and getting "in flow" - your world narrows to contain only you and the task you're focussing on, to the extent that you may not notice someone stood right next to you trying to get your attention. As with taking any other drug, just make sure you're in the right situation (in this case probably alone in a study or other productive environment) and it should be a very positive and useful experience.

Kelly_Gruber · 2015-02-05T11:30:10+00:00

Frequent use of phenibut can cause severe depression and dependancy

1NV0K3R · 2015-02-05T15:39:48+00:00

So I'm assuming this is a powder? Do I just mix this shit in with something and take it?

vpwnz · 2015-02-08T01:34:34+00:00

Got a tub of phenibut, will report results later.

PM_Me_For_Drugs · 2015-02-04T18:19:50+00:00

Nootropics are for the ~~birds~~ guinea pigs. If you really feel the need to use drugs regularly, I'd say go with something that's been around longer, and use it carefully and with discipline - always mindful of the side effects, common mistakes, and pitfalls.

Amphetamine is still the gold standard for prescription 'wakefulness', and there's a reason for that. Are there downsides? Oh fuck yes. That's how these things go, and if you're going to use drugs you just have to account for that. Despite our most earnest wishes, there's still no such thing as magic, side-effect-free enhancement drugs.

Modafinil (Provigil) is the only nootropic at the moment (that I'm aware of) that has transitioned from experimental drug to prescription pharmaceutical. That doesn't mean it's safe - I'm not saying that FDA approval is the gold standard regarding which drugs are safe - Just pointing out that Modafinil is the only nootropic to be marketable, so far, and that's significant.

arnolzz · 2015-02-04T17:17:23+00:00

I used modafinil and it fu*cked me up, I was angry all the time but I could focus a lot.

alpha_i · 2015-02-04T16:58:30+00:00

I've used modafinil, even in fairly high doses, and never felt any effects other than stinky piss. Adderall works wonders for me, though.

elderscrollsrichard · 2015-02-04T17:06:00+00:00

There's a good review of Piracetam on /r/mansformation. Just go to top posts of all time.

bongwaterblack · 2015-02-04T17:51:57+00:00

I used Kratom to kick my opiate addiction a couple years back when it wasnt so commonplace and I can attest that its great for that. It helped me get thru the first week of withdrawals better than anything else ive tried, and i havent been back since.

Taking it now just feels like really strong coffee and its way more expensive, although I do have one friend that swears by it. He orders it bulk and takes like 40 caps a day like a goddamn madman but it gives him a boost and a mild buzz all day and he has no problem sleeping at night like you would with most other stimulants. He is a goddamn madman tho so i probably wouldn't recommend it.

FatStig · 2015-02-05T15:37:34+00:00

Tried adrafinil. Made me sweat and felt like drinking too much coffee. I didn't notice any benefits.

Narcofunk · 2015-02-04T17:35:08+00:00

I have tried combinations of noopept, aniracetam, cdp choline and they are mostly a waste of money and time, if anything, noopept will make my mind incredibly foggy and disconnected.

Dev_on · 2015-02-04T19:52:02+00:00

there is a nootropic sub, take the question there.
this is only very, very sleightly relevant.

nzgs · 2015-02-04T18:24:56+00:00

I would strongly avoid nootropics. They are kinda like the new prohormones (chemically-altered oral steroids) in that it's a legal grey area that many supp companies are currently exploiting. These drugs give short term gains but can have long term costs, same as prohormones.

If you want a similar effect I would suggest something like 5-htp which is basically a milder and safer alternative to SSRIs. It doesn't give the strong calming "high" of nootropics but has a mild anti-depressant effect.

Personally I just supplement with testosterone, it's the safest, cheapest and most effective solution to this problem, but it just happens to be taboo because the government isn't making money from it.

Title	Nootropics - Anybody have experience with Noopept, Modafinil, Phenibut, Kratom, etc?
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