Radicalizing the Romanceless: "If you're smart, don't drink much, stay out of fights, display a friendly personality, & have no criminal history – then you're the population most at risk of being miserable & alone. In other words, everything that 'nice guys' complain of is pretty darned accurate."

anonlymouse · 2014-09-02T16:56:29+00:00

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noteventrying · 2014-09-02T16:37:46+00:00

That article is really long and the real meat of it -and the title of this post- can be found at these sources:

A gene-based evolutionary explanation for the association between criminal involvement and number of sex partners.

Abstract Empirical research has revealed a positive relationship between number of sex partners and involvement in antisocial behaviors. Most attempts to explain this association have taken an evolutionary perspective and argued that the same traits (e.g., impulsiveness, shortsightedness, and aggressiveness) that are related to a large number of sex partners are also related to criminal involvement. However, there is also reason to believe that the covariation between sex partners and crime behaviors can be partially explained by a common genetic pathway, where genes that are related to sex partners are also related to antisocial conduct. We test this possibility by using data from the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Add Health). Specifically, we examine whether variants of the dopamine transporter gene (DAT1) are associated with number of sexual partners and with adult criminal behavior. The results of our analyses reveal two broad findings. First, and in line with prior research, we find that there is a strong positive association between sex partners and antisocial behavior. Second, DAT1 explains variation in both number of sexual partners and in criminal conduct for males. We speak to the implications of our findings.

Intercourse and Intelligence

Last December I passed a paper along to Razib showing that high-school age adolescents with higher IQs and extremely low IQs were less likely to have had first intercourse than those with average to below average intelligence. (i.e. for males with IQs under 70, 63.3% were still virgins, for those with IQs between 70-90 only 50.2% were virgin, 58.6% were virgins with IQs between 90-110, and 70.3% with IQs over 110 were virgins)

the team looked at 1000s of representative teens grades 7-12 in the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health and The Biosocial Factors in Adolescent Development datasets, both of which include an IQ test, and include detailed sexual experience questions ranging from hand-holding to intercourse. As with the other study there was a curvilinear relationship: students with IQs above 100 and below 70 were significantly less likely to have had intercourse than those in between. Also like the other study, they found teens with IQs ranging from 75 to 90 had the lowest probability of virginity (the authors note this is also the same IQ range where propensity towards crime peaks).

http://homepage.psy.utexas.edu/HomePage/Group/MestonLAB/Publications/mestonetal_fivefactor.pdf

rcglinsk · 2014-09-02T21:28:14+00:00

We will now perform an ancient and traditional Slate Star Codex ritual, where I point out something I don’t like about feminism, then everyone tells me in the comments that no feminist would ever do that and it’s a dirty rotten straw man, then I link to two thousand five hundred examples of feminists doing exactly that, then everyone in the comments No-True-Scotsmans me by saying that that doesn’t count and those people aren’t representative of feminists, then I find two thousand five hundred more examples of the most prominent and well-respected feminists around saying exactly the same thing, then my commenters tell me that they don’t count either and the only true feminist lives in the Platonic Realm and expresses herself through patterns of dewdrops on the leaves in autumn and everything she says is unspeakably kind and beautiful and any time I try to make a point about feminism using examples from anyone other than her I am a dirty rotten motivated-arguer trying to weak-man the movement for my personal gain.

That's one of my favorite things I've ever read on the internet.

CornyHoosier · 2014-09-02T19:45:39+00:00

This guy hit the nail on the head in one particular sentence. It was when he posed the question about "Henry".

The over-whelming majority of men do NOT feel entitled to a woman or a woman's body. The issue the average nice guy is when they ask themselves why someone who has kept their nose clean, got a good education education, got a good career, volunteer to help others, etc. are losing in the relationship-world to the guys like Henry who have 5 ex-wives, have beaten them all up and cheated on them all.

Once they realize they need to clean up, gain some confidence, start leading & stop apologizing, then women will respect them more and are then more open to relationships/sex.

Blacquebit · 2014-09-02T17:17:02+00:00

As a life-long nice guy I say this writing is dead-on accurate. It matches my experience. Thanks again TRP. I'm taking my nice guy tendencies, setting them on fire, and will watch them burn..

erwgv3g34 · 2014-09-02T16:16:13+00:00

Make sure to read Steve Johnson and DrBeat over in the comment section; those guys know what they're talking about! Some highlights:

"Women's free sexual choice is a coordination problem that will destroy civilization very quickly."
"Basically women are smaller, weaker and less intelligent but still have genetic aims."
"Women are herd creatures to a much greater degree than men are and will basically try to figure out what the culture asks of them and do it."
"For the few men there's only so many times you can hear 'we're not having sex tonight' (which is confirmation that you two are going to fuck) or 'I don't normally do this' or find out she's got a boyfriend or a guy she lives with or a husband before you're simply accept that women are almost always lying to everyone about everything sexual – most importantly to themselves."
"There are serial killers who target women. This stick out in our minds because it is unusual for women to be victims of violence instead of men, and it is more emotionally affecting than the targeting of men because we place much, much, much higher innate value on women's lives. If feminism were to claim 'that guy hated women and wanted to hurt them,' and then ended that sentence and paragraph there, then it would be right. But feminism and feminists cannot stop there. They will invariably add on that this is an expression of our society's accepted hatred for women, and normalization of harm to women, even though this is the complete opposite of the truth. They will then add that this means we need to 'have a conversation' about how women don't feel safe, and what men should do to make them feel safer, even though women are by every objective measurement possible much, much safer than men."
"Look, I'm an MRA. Obviously. I reject feminism. I have looked at feminism, I have looked at what feminism claims to believe and claims to teach, what feminism actually believes and teaches, and the results of feminism's actions, and I have concluded 'Fuck that noise.' Feminism is wrong one hundred percent of the time. That is WHY feminism needs to be destroyed, not just ignored, because every person who subscribes to feminist ideology is one more person who will never, ever correctly analyze any single situation, and who will vehemently, violently oppose any effort at reform that might actually solve a problem."

anonlymouse · 2014-09-02T20:03:25+00:00

Such a response would be so antisocial and unjust that it could only possibly come from the social justice movement.

Zing!

We will now perform an ancient and traditional Slate Star Codex ritual, where I point out something I don’t like about feminism, then everyone tells me in the comments that no feminist would ever do that and it’s a dirty rotten straw man, then I link to two thousand five hundred examples of feminists doing exactly that, then everyone in the comments No-True-Scotsmans me by saying that that doesn’t count and those people aren’t representative of feminists, then I find two thousand five hundred more examples of the most prominent and well-respected feminists around saying exactly the same thing, then my commenters tell me that they don’t count either and the only true feminist lives in the Platonic Realm and expresses herself through patterns of dewdrops on the leaves in autumn and everything she says is unspeakably kind and beautiful and any time I try to make a point about feminism using examples from anyone other than her I am a dirty rotten motivated-arguer trying to weak-man the movement for my personal gain.

This guy is great. Why haven't I seen him linked here before?

TheSKSpecial · 2014-09-03T13:24:01+00:00

I like how in the comments the women are saying "but you don't want the kind of women that are attracted to Henry", completely ignoring that even that is a step up from what they're getting now.

If I'm dying of starvation, and the only food I have a chance to eat is McDonald's, don't tell me "you shouldn't eat it because it doesn't taste good and it's high in calories". I don't give a fuck about taste or caloric intake at this point, I'm starving, motherfucker.

exit_sandman · 2014-09-02T20:13:37+00:00

This reminds me of an anecdote I've written a couple of weeks ago (updated version).

Recently, I accompanied an acquaintance of mine to a party in her social circle, an outing organized by a couple she knows. The couple had their friends and family invited, and I didn't go there with great expectations, but what I didn't anticipate was getting three generations worth of unintentional redpill wisdom administered.

The mother of couple girl had been a single mom with changing partners who has made a habit out of neglecting and abusing her daughter during her childhood, both physically and emotionally, and was still pretty cold 20 years later (couple girl was pretty much an psychic wreck at that point). The mother of couple guy (around 55-60, though she looked much older) was your stereotypical lower class woman, who has had a daughter with some guy who regularly cheated on and abused her, then had three more children (one of them couple guy) with another dude who also abused her and the children as well before she finally broke up with him. Her daughters are even worse: The oldest one (mid 30s) has three children out of wedlock: A daughter who now is 16 and two toddlers (of course from different fathers, who have all jumped ship). She's still partying hard and gleefully riding the CC, as does her daughter (it's probably just a matter of time before she gets knocked up as well). Her half-sister has learned from her glorious example and has had her own daughter at the age of 19 as well; the baby father used to beat her but now they broke up, but she still fucks him on occasion. Couple guy on the other hand is reasonably laid-back and at the very least sticks to couple girl and their child (despite her being, as mentioned, an emotional wreck), but has his bad habits as well (compulsive gambling). The friends weren't really much better: A ladyfriend of couple guy's mother (in her 50s as well) also had a son out of wedlock back then, and of course the father bailed as well. A ladyfriend of couple girl has had a child as well in her mid 20s and, you guessed it, the father has bailed. Her CC-days were presumanly behind her, though, she showed me a picture of her and her current boyfriend who looked, unsurprisingly, like a meek pushover. Despite her toooootally loving her BF and describing at length how she would never cheat and how sucky that would be, she nevertheless dreams of a 50 Shades of Grey guy who is super hot and loaded and dominates her during kinky BDSM sessions (bonus, not trying to be racist here, but I thought that'd be of interest here: Apart from the couple girl's father and the first guy from couple guy's mother, all of the baby daddies mentioned have been from a muslim background).

And that's what's so infuriating. Because I personally know not only one, but several guys who didn't have a real relationship and everything this entails until their mid 20s or even early 30s. And it's not that there was something visibly wrong with them -they were perfectly okay guys, non-fugly, with stable jobs and/or degrees, guys who were respectful and intelligent and nice, and who, while none of them may have identified as a feminist, nevertheless have internalized the feminist-approved guidelines of how a good man has to treat a woman, and who got nothing but rejection, friendzoning and scraps for it (I had to think about them more than once during the last weekend). One of them - a rather chubby dude married a single mother of three who was probably 10 years his senior. A friend of mine who asked him if he thought whether that was a good idea got an answer along the lines of "I don't think I'll get someone else". That acquaintance of mine mentioned above? Well, she also had one friend who was unattractive but (judging from her stories) a stable and dependable guy - he had married a woman who was nice to look at but dumb as a rock (she was the type to fall for scam-mail schemes) and already had two children from two guys, and shortly after her marriage got fired from her job and spiraled into a depression or something like that.

And then you have the guys mentioned above, guys who don't just have the "asshole charme", but who actually are abusive assholes, who pump and dump sluts without looking back, who cheat on them when they're lucky and beat them up on top of that when they aren't, but who actually are the guys who get to knock women up. So yeah, can certainly confirm that the qualities that make our society work aren't exactly high in demand.

Silverbacked · 2014-09-02T18:17:08+00:00

I generally try and stay above a lot of the bitterness and anger in TRP but Christ this takes me to a bad place.

DazPatrick · 2014-09-02T21:04:56+00:00

Masculinity might as well be illegal

DexiAntoniu · 2014-09-02T21:57:38+00:00

These guys are spot on!

One thing though, they have yet to realize that it's just how things work and there's nothing we can do, they're still in their anger phase, and you can't change women.

It is ultimately our fault, men's. We should've (should) educate our boys better.

We should be a little more spartan with our boys. Sports from young age. Socratic teaching.

Men forgot to be both Henry and Scott. This is the only way that balance can be restored, we must be balance.

Dimsml · 2014-09-02T16:17:56+00:00

The page won't open for me. Reddit effect?

hohamocha · 2014-09-04T16:41:13+00:00

“She was yelling at me, because I was cheating on her with one of my exes.”

And they tell me women don't like being abused like objects

So you beat up your wife, she left you, you married someone else, and then she came back and had an affair on the side with you?

She left him cuz he wasn't a good beta bucks. But fucked him (behind her current Beta Bux husband's/ boyfriend's back) later on because he was, in her mind, a good alpha fucks.

I just happen to mysteriously have picked up girlfriends.

Women will always want a beta bucks (having a provider is always good), while she's on the lookout subconsciously for any alpha fucks that makes her pussy swell in horniness.

Even three years ago, I knew there were Henry-like people – your abusers, your rapists, your bullies and it wasn't hard to notice that none of them seemed to be having the crushing loneliness problem I was suffering from.

People claim that bullies are insecure, but that's just a way of trying to get the victim to feel better about themselves. Women, due to their subconscious lack of morality, see the real thing, that a bully is in fact a strong man with good genes capable of punishing any adversary/competition and garnering respect from weaker men. Women want these genes, because these traits carry on to their male offspring.

it’s a chance to talk about the very real problem of male sexual entitlement. The great unifying theme of the curated profiles is indignation. These are young men who were told that if they were nice, then, as Laurie Penny puts it, they feel that women “must be obliged to have sex with them.”

Really, so a nice guy who goes out of his way to be nice to a woman and do good things for her, in exchange for some sex or romance, is actingentitled? And the alpha male bad boy who grinds behind the same woman at a club, who she is horny for, and blows and gets pounded by in the bathroom of the club, is not acting entitled? Last time I checked, entitlement meant believing that one deserves something with the least amount of effort. Nice guy had to do to all nice things for the girl to win her attraction, while all bad boy had to do was just be seen by her and possibly grind her. Bad boy does nothing for her to get sex. The nice guy had to be her manservant, and doesn't even get sex. You tell me who acted more entitled. Apparently, acting entitled will get the pussy.

BeatArmy99 · 2014-09-02T17:11:35+00:00

I think that every man needs to get into a physical fight at one point in their life or another. It shocks me to meet men who've never engaged in a physical confrontation in their lives.

I also don't trust people who don't drink (unless they abstain due to prior problems w/alcohol). I won't do business with a teetotaler.

HobKing · 2014-09-03T11:57:01+00:00

This should be in the sidebar.

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Ohmyqueef · 2014-09-03T21:50:17+00:00

I swear, TRP is on a fucking roll these days with the gold stored within these posts. And, oh look, we hit 70k. Nice!

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