TRP makes it seem like "getting plates" is as easy as getting groceries.

fnordsnord · 2015-01-31T12:37:52+00:00

If you have severe approach anxiety, it's going to hurt the application of TRP to your love life.

Rejection is part of being a sexually active male. When your GOOD at approaching and achieving rapport with women, 90% of your approaches to NOT end in a f-close. They just don't. We approach, they select.

That's the bad news.

The good news is that rejection isn't personal. I know, especially when you're young, that it FEELS personal as all hell. How can it not? But the fact is that any given rejection does NOT mean you are unattractive. It does NOT mean you are un-manly, and it CERTAINLY doesn't mean that you are any less valuable as a human being.

All it means is that at this particular time in her life, this particular girl doesn't see what she needs in you. And that's all.

So you approach another one.

conspirized · 2015-01-30T18:52:16+00:00

I think you're only getting part of the message. From what I understand, a huge portion of TRP is about self-improvement. The ease of getting plates comes as a result of that.

It's not like someone can give you a bullet-point list that says "this is how you have regular sex with multiple women without any type of emotional investment" and then magically it's, as you said, like going to the grocery store.

One thing I can guarantee you, however, is that if you work to improve yourself physically (work out), financially (work on your career), and emotionally (avoid things like "oneitis" and maintain the "abundance mentality") then you will find that you will be much more successful with women. Hence my logic: self-improvement is the most important thing you can learn from TRP.

So, here's your "how-to."

Increase your SMV (That is, Sexual Market Value)
Talk to women.

lemoncakesaregross · 2015-01-30T19:30:30+00:00

Realize that probably the majority of people talking about their "plates" are probably lying as well

xwm · 2015-01-30T21:17:38+00:00

If you ever figure it out, be sure to send me a pm with instructions. After being well on my way to self improved (minus the money situation because college for now), while I do see girls mirin my muscle gain on occasion, I don't really get much interaction with women that aren't way too old/overweight (yay community college) in my daily life.

OrpheusV · 2015-01-30T21:44:34+00:00

Michael Jordan didn't become the basketball legend he is through not practicing.

I've missed more than 9000 shots in my career. I've lost almost 300 games. 26 times, I've been trusted to take the game winning shot and missed. I've failed over and over and over again in my life. And that is why I succeed.

Remember, the more you do it, the easier it gets. So just fucking do it. Approach and if it fails, it's nothing personal, just learn and try again. It's seriously a numbers game.

wantonton · 2015-01-31T03:09:25+00:00

Something that might help a lot of people is to remember that social proof is very important. Get out as much as you can and involved in as many things as you can. Clubs, groups programs. If you're an introvert going to a club alone and sitting in the corner all night not talking won't help you.

Just get out and get involved. You don't have to make life time commitments, just get out. Treat this as gym time for your social skills. Don't worry about picking up girls. If you have approach anxiety, don't worry about talking to girls. Just start talking to people. Learn to initiate conversation, carry it and make it fun. Meet lots of new people. Take a genuine interst in what they want and eventually people should start inviting you to more things. You meet more people you can practice on, etc.

Talking to people and being social should eventually become natural. Having real stuff to do should become natural in time. Being the guy who knows everyone should be natural in time. Being the guy most people like should become natural in time. (It may take a lot of time, that's why you need to start now.)

Will this solve all your problems? No. Will it solve all your problems with women? No. It's still a hell of a lot better than sitting in at home alone browsing reddit. It will give you lots of opportunity to up your social skills.

Again, doesn't matter initially, if it lets you get out and meet new people and the alternative is home alone or alone with your best friend in his parent's basement-go out. Go out several times a week.

tombreck2 · 2015-01-30T21:01:49+00:00

It's almost a science because the more experience you get the more you see the same patterns emerging from every interaction.

For example, One girl may say one thing while another girl says something else but both things are shit tests.

dreckmal · 2015-01-31T17:54:22+00:00

TRP makes it seem like "getting plates" is as easy as getting groceries.

I want you to think about this. Imagine you are the Iceman (great movie, btw...) and you just got thawed out this morning.

Now, go get groceries.

See, you think getting groceries is simple, right? How long you been doing that? Imagine, if instead of the years (likely decades) of practice you have in driving, economics and communication, you had years of practice getting women.

You learn how to spin em, and then you get years of practice in, and it will be like getting groceries.

tangman · 2015-01-30T19:38:04+00:00

Reach your genetic limit in lifting. Get interesting hobbies and lifestyle. Approach anxiety will be what girls feel around you.

brunsy713 · 2015-01-30T21:18:12+00:00

I think your confusion around plating is based in the debate around the definition of "plating." It seems there are two definitions the strong definition and the weak definition. The strong definition of plating implies higher standards. Where as the weak definition implies merely receiving an abnormal amount of attention from a female; which is not difficult for someone with Red Pill knowledge. To me, Reddit tends to stick to the weak definition of plating. Blogs like Rollo Tomassi's The Rational Male address plating using a strong definition. So, yes, for some "plating" may be like going to the grocery store because they use a weaker definition. For others, it may be much more difficult because they have higher standards for what defines a "plate." tl;dr "Plate" and "plating" are very subjective terms.

iluminatiNYC · 2015-01-30T21:21:26+00:00

I see your confusion, because it sounds simple to say. The problem is that there's a lot of work that goes into it. Screw approach anxiety. Often times getting in shape and your clothes right takes a lot of work. I think the best way to look at it is to compare it with any other skill. You'll get better with practice.

Dreamtrain · 2015-01-30T22:01:16+00:00

For some reason I thought this was about increasiing how much you lift. It's kind of like that saying "happiness is a decision".

Lyrad1002 · 2015-01-30T23:40:44+00:00

I think people forget the 80/20 rule. No matter what, 80% of the guys out there are gonna strike out. Even if you assume a lot of the people are not TRP, those are still horrendous odds.

thenarrrowpath · 2015-01-31T00:49:20+00:00

http://therationalmale.com/the-best-of-rational-male-year-one/

Scroll down to plate theory, theres a bunch of articles. This is guy is a great read.

abcd_z · 2015-01-31T02:38:58+00:00

You want PUA (Pick Up Artist[ry]).

The Newbie Method; a dirt-simple guide to cold approaching women.

A pdf file containing the best PUA posts of all time.

http://www.pua-zone.com - The best PUA forum I know of.

sealteamaus · 2015-01-31T04:43:47+00:00

i dont have the time, working a job plus building my business plus studying plus working out... i am focused on the future

prawson · 2015-01-31T03:39:23+00:00

Hey OP,

This may seem like a stupid suggestion/exercise, but you should write down your intentions.

Rather than thinking "hey I want plates" be very specific with what you want, how you will get it, and in what timeframe. Such as:

"I want to plate an HB9 by dd.mm.yyyy. In order to do this I will spend twenty minutes on Tinder and OKC everyday, and go to >>insert nightspot here<< at least twice a month.

When I see an HB9, I will open her IMMEDIATELY with >>insert canned material here<<... after I have her number I will wait two days before suggesting we go >>INSERT DATE SPOT HERE<< for >>INSERT FOOD/DRINK/COFFEE HERE<<... etc."

Write this down, commit to your plan, VISUALIZE THE APPROACH, and read it before going out. The only way to plate is to approach when given the opportunity, and since you've already outlined EXACTLY what you will do when an opportunity arises, it should feel instinctual.

I hope this helps.

idolovecorn · 2015-01-31T03:38:24+00:00

Note that these also are plates and illustrates the /u/conspirized advice. Hit the gym, earn more money, raise your SMV.

asd1100 · 2015-01-31T08:07:36+00:00

It's not about the plates, it's about you. Like lifting, the process is the goal.

Having options, training your skill and becoming outcome independent that is the goal. Line up 10 first dates in 3 days, by the second day, you will be completely sick of the bullshit and by the 3rd you will be just jugle with the bullshit waiting for the clock to liberate you from this first date limbo. Funny enough not only will you have real actual fun only then, but your girl will have fun with you herself and will connect with you at a basic human level as well, but she will also respond to your game better.

Do you guys have a basic outline on how to "plate" girls?

hang out with them(don't "date" that just makes reframing harder), have fun(always), create sexual tension. When you have the available logistics start escalating or she is particularly horny(brash) start escalating physically(you should do this from the start as a playfull tool, but what was playfulll now becomes naughty). Go until she stops (the chemistry, the mood of the dynamic) you and she starts to look for definitions(maybe even after sex). When she does that, you tell her unambiguously and unapologetically you don't want a girlfriend(if it's after sex apologise if you made her misunderstand, say you didn't meant to lead her on). But you like her very much, you like how she makes you feel, you obviously have great chemistry(this is why the fun part is important and you should never drop the ball on it) and would like to keep this going. (DON*T be shy about this shit, tell her like you are reading of a menu, this is where confidence comes in, you are describing reality not bullshitting, since you got that far you do like her, and you do have great chemistry, state your intent and then back off, it's her turn to process it, do not escalate until she makes a move, a verbal confirmation or escalates herself). If she drops, agree, kiss her good night and say goodbye.(no hanging out tomorrow, no negotiation no bullshit, you don't take it personally you don't get butthurt).

I don't know how big your town is, but because the first stage, let's call it "playfull stage" is basically you just being social and fun, you can do it with anyone at any time, without raising "the player alarms"

confuseacatlmtd · 2015-01-31T09:33:16+00:00

RSD foundations and Blueprints. Foundations is step by step on approach, vibing, numbers, venue change, and closing.

Blueprint will change the way you see yourself and the world and make you a more enlightened and confident person. I cannot recommend either of these enough.

brujon · 2015-01-31T12:35:13+00:00

I don't have strong game, but i have relatively good looks and a pretty solid text game, so online dating/Tinder has been doing wonders for me.

If you need a quick confidence boost and need some "practice" on getting and maintaining plates, i'd definitely recommend you using online dating and Tinder, as it's relatively quick to produce results, is very low-maintenance, and doesn't require a lot from you.

From there, you can figure out what works out best for you. You are free to try multiple ways to approach girls, how to get and then keep their attention, how to "juggle" multiple girls at once, etc.

It's not an exact science, but there are a lot of good reads about this stuff, and multiple suggestions on how to make it work, though, the same approach doesn't work out for everyone, you really need to find what meshes well with your personality, so that you don't end up trying to be something completely different from your regular personality.

FunAndFreedom · 2015-01-31T03:40:28+00:00

Serious Answer: Spinning Plates isn't hard, and I'll explain how to do it.

Being able to "spin plates" is a factor of having top 20% SMV, being in the right locations, and most importantly having time for it to work. Some people are very active and pick up girls at bars, I shared an apartment with a guy in Manhattan who could get a different girl every night, he was a master at it and easily top 5%, but other people are passive and let the plates come to them. That's me.

For whatever reason I'm not someone who enjoys going to a bar nor do I think I could come home with a new girl every time. But getting the girls to come to me was never difficult, it was just a factor of time.

Here are my numbers/system, this works for me and makes me the most happy, but you might be different

When I'm not doing a monogamous LTR I can add a quality "plate" once every two months. I could go higher but I'm not trying too hard and I'm maintaining standards. Domestically the plates might come from an online profile, the gym, social events, it varies. When I'm abroad it could be a girl who I meet at an ex-pat gathering or a language site. You'll figure out your system, but the key to spinning plates is to never stop looking (aka Oneitis).

A good plate for me will stick around for an average of 6 months before interest fades from one party. Because I would always be adding a girl every 2 months, at any given time on average I will have the option of 2-4 girls who I can sleep with. For me, that's enough.

You'll spend your first few months after doing your "monk mode" trying to get that first plate. If you are in legitimately good shape and can hold frame, this will just be you fine tuning how to talk to the various girls. There is an art to it that is hard to put into words, but like developing most art it just takes practice. It might take a week or maybe a few months to get your first girl, not a big deal how long it takes, if you have done things right you WILL get the first post-monk mode girl.

So you finally get a girl who in your beta days you would date from day 1. You're in shape now and have the beginning of game so she might be the hottest girl you've taken to bed. But now you are smarter and you know you need to plate her. The big difference between beta you and TRP you is you are going to continue to look for new girls while you are sleeping with plate #1.

I wish I could tell you how much of a game changer this is, but you need to experience it for yourself, the freedom of knowing you won't have a "dry spell".

Now you are looking for plate #2. You won't feel pressure though, because you have plate #1. It's now easy to do "cocky/funny", it's easier to maintain frame, because you already have another girl. You might find yourself being more picky than you ever were before. You just build it from there. When you get past girl #2 and are on to girl #3 this system will start to make so much sense.

You won't care when girl #1 gives you a shit test because you simply reallocate your time to girl #2 or #3 or #4. Again, if you really did your monk mode, if you really are maintaining frame and not just BS'ing on the internet, you are going to get in a position where you really don't need any of the individual girls. You are creating scarcity for them and living the abundance mindset.

The Don't Do's

You can't let a girl get too close to you either by physically being in your house or by monopolizing your time.

Do not stop grabbing new plates. If you get 3-4 and it's just too much, cut off the one you like the least and replace them with a girl who offers a better opportunity.

Don't be passive. I may not be actively grabbing girls at a bar, but I'm absolutely running game on girls who come to me. When I say come to me, we have a casual chat that they generally initiate and we set a time to do an activity I find fun together. I never do a dinner/movie date for instance.

Disadvantages to my method

You sleep with a lower total number of women by not being active in getting plates from bars.

It takes time. In a world that loves instant results my method, while requiring less effort, does take time. If you dropped me in the middle of a new city I would probably not have a group of plates until 4-6 months passed.

There's no magic pill, you need to be top 20% at least for any results.

Advantages to my method

Very easy to maintain frame when you aren't worried about rejection. The girls come to you. Once you start getting used to spinning plates you will lose most emotional attachment to these girls, yet they may have an emotional attachment to you, which will let you easily get your way.

This system is lower effort than a search and destroy system, done right you fuck just as often if not more than someone who seeks out ONS'

I find it fun to do activities and get to know girls for purposes other than sex. Plates can be friends as long as you're willing to soft next them when fucking them becomes less than convenient.

That's my system. If you have questions let me know.

uglybra · 2015-01-30T20:17:12+00:00

It is easy if you stay in your league and have tight game otherwise you are going to be in a world of trouble.

The-Pussy-Whisperer · 2015-01-30T21:27:01+00:00

It is.

drqxx · 2015-01-30T21:22:46+00:00

See girl > Talk to girl > Hand her my phone tell her to put number in it > text her later > Feel her out > Take her out for something cheap/entertaining. > take her home and bang her. (repeat aa necessary)

ConfidenceMatters · 2015-01-30T22:38:31+00:00

Uh, because it literally is as easy as it sounds - especially with the side bar BRIMMING with resources, tips & tools, strategies and information.

You'd have to be a special kind of chode to have ALL that information and not rack up a few plates after spending some time reading the /r/theredpill sidebar.

Title	TRP makes it seem like "getting plates" is as easy as getting groceries.
Author	Sketti-Os
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Date	January 30, 2015 6:46 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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