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[–]CompetitionFair7686 60 points61 points62 points 4 years ago* (17 children) | Copy Link
Sorry but this is nonsense, you don’t need a perfect jawline to get a girlfriend, there is a huge amount of guys with weak jawlines that can get a girlfriend. This is just a self esteem issue.
I guarantee you even with a surgery you would still not get any. The thing about insecurity is that you never feel good enough. There is always something that isn’t perfect because humans just can’t be perfect.
And even if you have a jawline and start to get more attention, you will still feel that you should be getting more attention, that your success isn’t as high as you were hoping it to be.
[–]TheJackal619 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
A girlfriend requires emotional and long term investment.
He’s a young man looking for something casual, however he is conscious that when it comes to short term hook ups, women tend to be a little more selective and superficial.
Telling these dudes that they can still get a gf is hurtful because it invalidates what they truly want, and that is to feel physically attractive without having to be romantic to reach such means.
[–]rhofire 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
to feel physically attractive without having to be romantic to reach such means.
That’s still a self-esteem issue. He can get women and have sex with them without commitment if he changes his attitude.
Insecurity is one of the biggest turn offs, not far behind neediness.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I don’t want a girlfriend.
[–]Mr_lightning22 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
u gae?
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No
[–]Mr_lightning22 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok
So about your problem have you tried mewing?
[–]CompetitionFair7686 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You miss the point
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If the point is that I can attract people, I know and I have done that. But the ratio of success is demoralizing.
[–]FIFAPLAYAH 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is for everyone but like 1/10 guys. You’re simply not that guy. Play the numbers and you’ll get a girl that’s cute and you like
[–]MachoCyberBullyUSA 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So if you’re not having an issue attracting people, it’s probably a personality issue, yet you’re hyper focusing on your aesthetic
[–]MachoCyberBullyUSA 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You didn’t address the points that actually matter. I bet just the act of no longer giving a shit about your jawline would help you succeed more.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I never gave a shit about my jawline until I recently (1 year ago or so) discovered that a) it’s important and b) mine is not good
[–]MachoCyberBullyUSA 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So is height apparently. I’m under 6 feet and I do fine. If you want to improve your jaw, that’s fine, but caring so much about it is fucking with your confidence, which is #1
[–]Invest2prosper 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Forget about fixing the jaw - he needs to fix what words are coming out of his mouth when/if he approaches chicks. He also needs to work on what he is subconsciously transmitting to the opposite sex.
My guess is he comes off as a creep with no self confidence because he thinks his jaw is the issue (incorrectly).
[–]jackzander 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Elaborate on what this means, because I'm still confused.
It wasn't your original thought, so where exactly did the Weak Jawline idea come from? Because whatever the source, you've seemingly decided to award it an immense amount of credibility.
[–]th3_messenger 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just get more self esteem 5head
[–]No-Historian-6391 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah but maybe OP doesn’t wanna fuck a fat chick
[–]TheJackal619 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
I used to think I had a bad jawline until I started boxing.
The exercise was intense and burnt fat off my face that I never knew I had. Within 6 months of training, I literally had a new face.
I didn’t even gain or loose weight during that period, maybe dropped 5-10 pounds of my walking weight.
It also helped with my confidence. To this day, I still practice it and spar lightly occasionally.
I believe every male should at least practice one martial art, the mental and physical benefits make it worthwhile.
[–]user009818 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you have bad tongue posture your jaw line will still be trash no matter the weight but true lower weight will improve that
[–]itsazdeen -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
bro I am really interested in learning a martial art but I'm too afraid that I will get some kind of brain damage
[–]WhiskeyDJones 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Just don't compete or spar hard
[–]itsazdeen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
that's sounds like learning to play guitar without playing guitar
[–]WhiskeyDJones 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A more accurate anecdote would be like learning to play guitar without doing gigs.
And if you're that bothered just don't do it. I don't understand what you want
[–]itsazdeen 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
can I learn to defend myself without actually sparring ?
[–]WhiskeyDJones 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't say don't spar. I said don't spar hard
[–]Invest2prosper 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup - took judo in college, after getting thrown a few times and vice versa - you learn discipline and patience is a virtue. Violence is a last resort.
[–]Majestic_Meal_5655 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
If you are in your late twenties you are still young. I didn't get a full beard till I started reaching my late 30s. It was annoying af because I had a patchy beard and I thought it would never fill up. If you have good job thats great. If you want female attention, you must seduce them with your lifestyle. Woman are emotional creatures and not necessarily logical. You gotta sell them a dream. They have to see themselves in happy ever after Disney fairy tale. I suggest fixing up your social media to reflect all the cool and fun things you do. How much fun you have with friends and family. Show them where in your life they can see themselves being part of. Its all about your lifestyle. Make sure you are doing things that they can be part of. Man must become somebody in order to attract woman. Woman just wait by the finish line and fux the winners. Don't despair my guy. You are still young, man catch their stride in their late 30s. This is when you will get most attention from woman. Just make sure you are closer to your goals by then.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I hate social media, never had an account except Facebook and closed it long time ago.
[–]Majestic_Meal_5655 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It looks to me like you are full of excuses. Good luck buddy.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think social media is useful for getting dates. I do get dates, this is not the problem.
Go to a bar or a dance club on the weekend. Learn how to dance.
You can get attention from woman at any age. If that’s what you are seeking.
[–]PuempelsPurpose 26 points27 points28 points 4 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link
lol at this subreddit turning into r/incels
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
Haha no.
[–]PuempelsPurpose 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
You're sure talking and making excuses like one!
I'd recommend you just take care of your body, mind, and passions (aka be physically active, go to therapy or undergo self-examination of another kind, and commit yourself to your goals) and just let the rest fall into place. Seducing a good woman, or even many good women, should not be difficult. If it's a struggle, its because the preconditions are not in place.
[–]TooMuchJibberish 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
and just let the rest fall into place
Things don't just magically fall in place if you're unattractive, what the hell kind of logic is that?
Seducing a good woman, or even many good women, should not be difficult. If it's a struggle, its because the preconditions are not in place.
You're right, the preconditions being having good genetic looks (strong jawline, long ramus, sharp gonion, low set cheekbones, tall, good forward growth, etc)
[–]el_colimofla 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
They do, if you honestly work on things for the sake of getting better, a lot of things will become better around you. I've noticed my life getting easier the more I work on different areas when I do it for good reasons, that doesn't mean women (in this case) will be chasing you after you do this or that, but you will start acting in a way that is more attractive.
The second part is just bullshit, I've seen the ugliest guys make up with hot women bc they are usually self-confident, outgoing and funny, also they are actually trying to have fun with this girl's and not "making girls like them and chase them"
[–]TooMuchJibberish -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
They do, if you honestly work on things for the sake of getting better, a lot of things will become better around you
No they won't, unless you got plastic surgery I suppose lol but I wouldn't go that far.
but you will start acting in a way that is more attractive.
What the hell does this even mean? That won't do jack in terms of dating lol
Can you imagine a sub human trying to act all confident? He'd look ridiculous lol, our genetic facial structure puts a limit on how much we can achieve dating wise and that's a fact
I've seen the ugliest guys make up with hot women bc they are usually self-confident, outgoing and funny, also they are actually trying to have fun with this girl's and not "making girls like them and chase them"
Wrong. 1. If the guys are truly ugly, then this is an isolated incident
Because of point NO. 1, said guys are mostly likely attractive to an extent (tall, good facial harmony, etc)
Said guys usually have something that girls want (high status, money, muscles, or they probably are the group jesters). So that means an ugly would have to spend 3 years at a gym and going to comedy open nights before he even thinks about getting near a woman
Confidence only works once a certain looks threshold is met, otherwise it'll be considered creepy behavior
[–]el_colimofla 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
My friend, I feel sorry that you think this is how stuff goes, I hope you learn how chill people actually are.
I didn't even mention working on your looks, I meant that if you focus on whatever you do (study, job) to the point you know what you're doing, eat healthy because you want to feel good, educate yourself for the sake of learning, do something useful with your spare time, then you would get confident with yourself
That means that when you talk to anyone, women in this case,you will display your worth on the things you say and how you say it, stuff like learned "oh I know that song, I can play it on my guitar" or maybe " sorry I can't talk anymore, I have to go train with my team" or "this shit happened at my job and I handled it this way...", That kind of stuff can be said by someone who doesn't have a job, don't play any sports or play the guitar without it being a lie. That kind of talk is way more interesting than someone who's failing at school and shows it by not knowing anything (if you dare to say this is nerdy and no women will be attracted to a smart guy then you're either not in college or haven't talked to many women in general, also girls who don't value this kind of stuff are usually low value people so why even bother [bc their asses are a certain size or shape? Grow up])
Can you imagine a sub human trying to act all confident?
What in the world even is a sub human?? Ffs That's some incel shit I will not tolerate, and am pretty sure you would not change your mind about it but you gotta understand everyone has a worth, they just have to find it and improve it, if you think you don't have any then you're being lazy because you're not looking for them. If you think you're a "subhuman" people will notice
our genetic facial structure puts a limit on how much we can achieve dating wise and that's a fact
Lol ok that may be true if you want to be able to date EVERY SINGLE WOMEN ON THIS EARTH, sure a fashion model might be more interested in guys that look a certain way, but you're just spitting bullshit, date the girls you're interested in, there's a ton of hot girls that are not very confident, there's a ton of hot girls that are nerdy, there's a ton of hot girls that like what you might call ugly.
Wrong. 1. If the guys are truly ugly, then this is an isolated incident Because of point NO. 1, said guys are mostly likely attractive to an extent (tall, good facial harmony, etc) Said guys usually have something that girls want (high status, money, muscles, or they probably are the group jesters). So that means an ugly would have to spend 3 years at a gym and going to comedy open nights before he even thinks about getting near a woman Confidence only works once a certain looks threshold is met, otherwise it'll be considered creepy behavior
why do you think all hot women act the same? Someone might be attracted to someone that you think is ugly, also everyone is attractive to an extent, you've only talked about looks in your whole comment, you're worrying too much about how you look and that may be holding you back from getting yourself out there
That is what I'm talking about, having what other people want or like is what makes you attractive, but there is no one size fits all, that's misoginy and is the same as saying guys only want to fuck hot girls when that is very false
Is confidence synonymous with game? When I say confidence I'm talking about talking in an appropriate volume (I've been called for speaking to low, I've been working on that), standing straight, smiling, looking at people's (pls note I said people, not girls) when you talk to them, cracking jokes and not backing up awkwardly when no one laughs and specially talking about yourself.
I know this will probably won't change your mind, but as someone who would've agreed with you at some point in my life I felt the need to write this because it might be helpful because I've been the happiest and most successful with the girls I want since I started thinking this way (I know you will probably say That's BecAuSe yOUr aTtraCtive to soMe ExTenT but I don't care what you think about me)
[–]TooMuchJibberish 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
People are chill with you if you're not undesirable/subhuman looking
, then you would get confident with yourself
I've been doing a bunch of that stuff and yet I'm seemingly in the same spot dating wise.
That kind of talk is way more interesting than someone who's failing at school and shows it by not knowing anything (if you dare to say this is nerdy and no women will be attracted to a smart guy then you're either not in college or haven't talked to many women in general, also girls who don't value this kind of stuff are usually low value people so why even bother [bc their asses are a certain size or shape? Grow up])
The talk is interesting again, if it comes from a superior looking guy. No one cares if subhuman can play a song in the guitar. And obviously women like smart guys, but as long as the looks threshold is met.
I already graduated university btw, are you telling me every girl that rejected me there was "low value"? Lol
Sub human/ugly guy/unattractive guy same thing.
And no, not everyone has worth. We're only worth as much as the worth people give us. For example, if I died tomorrow half the world wouldn't care. Well, it be more than that but point is my death wouldn't be as important as if some famous scientist or celebrity died.
I only have worth to my family (for obvious reasons), I have zero worth to anyone else.
And how am I being lazy? And again, what I think doesn't matter at all. What matters is what others think of me, or women in this case. If they think I'm ugly and undesirable, then it will mean jack if I feel confident. It won't matter lol
but you're just spitting bullshit, date the girls you're interested in, there's a ton of hot girls that are not very confident, there's a ton of hot girls that are nerdy, there's a ton of hot girls that like what you might call ugly.
How am I saying bs? Lol, you want to check my bumble stats to show you other wise? The only other quantifiable metric would be the #of rejections I received but I honestly lost track.
And you say "date girls" like it's so simple lol. You really think I haven't tried before? Just the mere sight of me would mean disgust in their faces yet you for some reason think some attractive girl would like me 🤣
And it's not what "I would call ugly", it's what's objectively ugly. Literally what NO WOMAN would want.
They're not the exact same, but have very similar likes. That being said what isn't liked by one will most likely be disliked by the majority of others as well. Sure, everyone is attractive to an extent. But that extent won't matter if it doesn't reach the threshold.
And obviously I worry about my looks, that's what matters in dating.
Inorder for me to fit in that category, I'd need to wait another 4 years at least. 4 to hopefully have gained enough muscle by then and have a decent amount of money saved up for a house. In the meantime though, I'd be seen as subhuman.
I talk loud enough for people to hear me, I walk straight now that my posture is beginning to get fixed, I only smile when necessary, and I look at everyone when they address me/speak to me. That's a simple professional rule. I only say jokes when necessary, and only speak when necessary for that matter.
(I know you will probably say That's BecAuSe yOUr aTtraCtive to soMe ExTenT but I don't care what you think about me)
Am I wrong? Lol, listen I'm happy that you're happy. But understand not every guy will reach your spot because not every guy is genetically good looking.
That's just how nature and genetic determinism works
[–]el_colimofla 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I spent a lot of time writing that comment for you not to change a single thing about your argument, I'm talking from experience, as you are. I'm just gonna say I've heard a lot of girls say "I could've brad Pitt naked in front of me but if he's not nice I'm not interested", of course some would not care, everyone is different but believe most people don't care too much about looks if you're nice and cool. Maybe you're not cool enough and not talking to the correct people, maybe you're not nice enough,
could these girls that have rejected you be a close friend if you weren't interested in them romantically/sexually? If the answer is no you may be talking to the wrong girls.
Inorder for me to fit in that category, I'd need to wait another 4 years at least.
That's what I said, you have to work on yourself, but for yourself, not for the others, you will never be happy if you think your worth is defined by other people, because different people value different stuff
[–]TooMuchJibberish 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
everyone is different but believe most people don't care too much about looks if you're nice and cool
I'll assume what you say is correct, what do I do next then?
Maybe you're not cool enough and not talking to the correct people, maybe you're not nice enough,
I'm most likely not cool enough as I don't drink, party or any of that.
I'm pretty shy/timid and I'm not really a rude person so I doubt it's the "nice enough".
could these girls that have rejected you be a close friend if you weren't interested in them romantically/sexually?
Sure, the question is would they be a close friend to me?
So you're telling me to not even try to date/get with girls within these 4 years until I reach that point? Only then will I be able to shoot my shots with women?
[–]el_colimofla1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
Become friends with girls that you find funny and nice to be around and learn how to be around them, if you already have female friends go hang out with them, you'll learn a lot
Then don't chase girls that like to do that a lot as you're not gonna have a good time together, you won't make good plans for her if you're not interested in the same stuff, I'm not very into pop music, parties, etc. So I make plans that I would enjoy doing by myself and invite someone to do it with me. Learn how to be cool with people that find what you do cool
I doubt it's the "nice enough".
With nice I meant fun to be around, sorry, english is my second language. You can work on that, I'm not the funniest guy and my humor is quite different, but I try to be silly when I want to, laugh at awkward situations, etc. Everyone likes someone that genuinely laughs at your jokes. Being happier with who you are will make you more enjoyable to be around. And that takes us to
Nope, I'm saying you should be living your life and working on yourself to become a better person, then you would have more to offer, not to seduce someone, but to share the cool person you've become, it will not take 4 years to get to a better point, results will most likely start showing after about 6 months (at least on exercise, studies and general health), and if you are consistent for 4 years you will be surprised with how much you've improved, but the most important part is to set goals that you like (in my case I can exercise by trying to improve my vertical jump, educate myself by trying to learn a new skill I like or getting better at what I already do), don't chase a six pack bc girls like that, don't learn how to play the guitar so you can play pop songs people like at a party.
If you like to be around them because they are fun, bc you share interests, then the answer is definitely YES! Thing is, relationships are reciprocal, and that's something you can also work on. Learn how to be a better listener, learn your own love languages and give some love to the people you like, maybe some will find that weird, they can go f themselves (also you can balance how you act with them, be smart), some other people will like it, experiment.
[–]TooMuchJibberish1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I don't have girl friends. Assume I'm starting from scratch, I can't just randomly go up to girls since that's considered creepy now.
So I make plans that I would enjoy doing by myself and invite someone to do it with me. Learn how to be cool with people that find what you do cool
Lately I've only gone out myself on the occasions that I do go out. I simply do things alone (go bowling alone, to arcades alone, to malls alone, obviously gym alone, etc). My friends have slowly vanished over the years.
but I try to be silly when I want to, laugh at awkward situations, etc. Everyone likes someone that genuinely laughs at your jokes. Being happier with who you are will make you more enjoyable to be around. And that takes us to
Let's just ignore the fact that my looks are bad for a minute. I already am like this, I tend to make stupid/dumb/funny remarks or observations on things sometimes. It got my friends to laugh back then but it sure as hell never made any girl react positively to me. The curious thing is my friends that are better looking than me and taller said the same exact lines and yet they got girls to giggle at them.
What are your thoughts on this? Doesn't seem like I'll come off as "fun" no matter how much I tried, according to you what should I change?
results will most likely start showing after about 6 months (
I really doubt this, I understand my routine isn't the most optimal as I'm still trying to modify it to get it the most optimal but I have not noticed physique changes since I started (valentines day). I've gotten a bit stronger on weights but no visible changes.
don't chase a six pack bc girls like that
You know, initially I started out this way but then I figured having more muscles wouldn't "over shadow" my bad genetic face. So I stopped caring about doing it for that and I simply became addicted to working out. Feeling the pump just feels good now to me.
Nope, I'm saying you should be living your life and working on yourself to become a better person, then you would have more to offer,
But then that means I have nothing of value to offer now though, which would make me useless wouldn't it? What I "have to offer", many other guys superior to me can already offer so why would a girl want me?
Thing is, relationships are reciprocal, and that's something you can also work on.
I understand, but no one reciprocates me. I don't have anything to work with if it's not reciprocated.
Learn how to be a better listener, learn your own love languages and give some love to the people you like, maybe some will find that weird, they can go f themselves (also you can balance how you act with them, be smart), some other people will like it, experiment.
I think I already am a good listener, but sure I'll improve if needed.
I have no idea what "love language" is
And what do you mean give love to the people I like? You mean girls/women?
And I'd change the "some find it weird" to "the majority find it weird"...at least in my case
The thing is you have these high hopes for me, but because you haven't seen what I look like.
I guarantee you the minute you saw my face you'd actually lose hope for me
I'm sorry that you feel ugly, it's ok, maybe you don't fit beauty standards, if that's the case that is something you need to acknowledge in order to become confident in your skin, you might be ugly, but you're uglier if you're self-conscious, I've seen people actually joke on how ugly they are and that shows they don't care much about it (or at least they compensate, fake it till you make it), we communicate a lot with our posture, tone and expressions, you may say the same joke, but it will sound different if you're trying to make someone laugh at the joke rather than saying it bc you feel it's a funny thing to say. That also applies with talking to girls, if you go and talk to them only because you want to seduce them, that will show and you'll be seen as creepy, I recently made a friend at school because I saw her sitting by herself and said "hey do you have a partner for this thing?" The thing is I was genuinely looking for a partner and knew she had a boyfriend so I didn't approach her to seduce her, I just asked her what I wanted to ask her, and if she had found that creepy I would've laughed at her since I wasn't even trying anything (and yes, there's a lot of girls that will think that even if you're not, but I'm trying to tell you is not the majority, usually former "high school hotties" would act this way since they got a lot of attention when they were younger), but you don't need to be around rude people you know how guys who have a girlfriend get more female attention? Because they talk to other women in a relaxed way, I don't know what you do with your life rn but there may be some ways you can meet people, just find the right context to approach someone and do what's natural to you, don't give compliments if you don't actually like what you're seeing.
but no visible changes.
Are you taking pics of yourself? Changes are slow and you don't usually notice how much your body has changed, specially if you're not working out a whole fucking lot with supplements and shit, but if your diet has been on point and you didn't train as much as you do now chances are you're already fitter (and hotter), some say girls like guys that look strong because they look like they can protect them and provide, Idk if I agree but I would say someone who's fit looks like he can do a lot more stuff and better, also getting fit will make you more energetic and overcoming challenges will make you more confident. I'm not a tall guy, I think I lie right below the middle at 5'8/9" and I've been bullied at that and was pretty insecure until recently when I joined a handball team and had to push guys that are over 6 foot, learning that I'm able to do that gave me confidence to the point that people don't even seem that much taller in my eyes even if they definitely are (of course if we both train at he same rate they will be stronger than me, shit sucks sometimes, but my coach told me I need to find my value for the team if it is not being a big guy, she told me of this girl in her team that is really small so she figured she could be more agile and uses that to her advantage, also one of the best players in my team is smaller and way less muscular than me but I suck ass if you compare us)
Feeling the pump just feels good now to me.
Then keep up the good work, find other stuff that makes you feel this way, what kind of other stuff do you like to do? I consider myself a weird guy and one of the most important phrases I've heard was "embrace your exentricity, what make you weird as a kid will most likely make you an interesting adult" I am still working on that because there's time I feel that I don't fit and can get me sad in the middle of a social event, but maybe I shouldn't try to fit, maybe I should try to be the guy with weird humor, idk, I don't have all the answers
I don't know you personally so I have no idea what you have to offer right now, you'll have to find out yourself and that'll take time, there's always something, and if there's not then it's time to look for something and work for it. There's no point in comparing your with other guys because there will always be someone better than you, I used to compare myself with guys that I felt were superior to me and compensate with what they didn't have (I would think that maybe I'm not as funny but I sang better, or I wasn't as confident but I was more intelligent) then I got to one of the best universities in my country and met people that had every fucking good trait you could think of, I had no chance against those people so why compete? To answer your question, there's a ton of girls in this world that these guys are not talking to, think what that means for a bit.
Love language is what you do when you love someone, some would write a song for her, some would drive miles to visit, some will capture frogs and give them as a gift, find how YOU express love for people
I mean spreading the love, calling you parents if you have a good relationship, remember people's birthdays and give them something you think they'd like, celebrate your friends' achievements, be there for them when they are sad, etc. This may sound cliche and I feel you're not very thankful with what you have, but if you're able to be on Reddit then you already have a lot to be thankful for and if you are, that will show in your eyes. That also applies to girls ofc, if you're talking to someone and they say they like something, get it for them, idk
I have a question for you, I don't like being a show off but if you think success in dating comes from traits alone the how come I that play guitar, sing, have a six pack, have a good beard, nice curly hair, have been called the most handsome guy of a bunch of different groups including my high school class, play sports, study at the best school of my country and ranked top 1% at the SAT equivalent, have only had 1 girlfriend? That doesn't make much sense right? Maybe bc people are not rational to the point they value people for this kind of stuff and rather for how people make them feel. I also haven't been acting as if I have all this stuff "in my resume". I may not be the nicest guy ever but I'm definitely not rude so that's not the reason either, I'm a little shy and introverted tho
I also didn't date any single girl I've liked in high school (besides my ex gf) it was only when I changed my mind about the stuff I'm telling you that I started seeing some success and that's why I have high hopes for you, if you think you're at the bottom then you can only go up. I'm a long way from satisfied with how I behave, for example I don't have much friends at school, I approached a girl once and my voice cracked and felt like shit, but that doesn't stop me from feeling better than when I was a teenager and trying to keep improving. You can dm me if you want to chat about this stuff
I'm sorry that you feel ugly, it's ok, maybe you don't fit beauty standards, if that's the case that is something you need to acknowledge in order to become confident in your skin, you might be ugly, but you're uglier if you're self-conscious
Lol you answered your own question there, yes I'm ugly. And no it doesn't matter if I'm "self conscious" about it, it won't change a damn thing
That also applies with talking to girls, if you go and talk to them only because you want to seduce them, that will show and you'll be seen as creepy
That's why I don't talk to girls anymore
I recently made a friend at school because I saw her sitting by herself and said "hey do you have a partner for this thing?" The thing is I was genuinely looking for a partner and knew she had a boyfriend so I didn't approach her to seduce her, I just asked her what I wanted to ask her, and if she had found that creepy I would've laughed at her since I wasn't even trying anything (and yes, there's a lot of girls that will think that even if you're not, but I'm trying to tell you is not the majority, usually former "high school hotties" would act this way since they got a lot of attention when they were younger), but you don't need to be around rude people you know how guys who have a girlfriend get more female attention?
Ahhh, so you're still in school. Well guess what? I'm not. So it's basically impossible for me to meet girls my age anymore. And if I were to approach any girl now it doesn't matter if it's seduction related or not, I'd be considered a creep.
I don't know what you do with your life rn but there may be some ways you can meet people, just find the right context to approach someone and do what's natural to you, don't give compliments if you don't actually like what you're seeing.
I work, study, play soccer on weekends and go to the gym
And there is no right context anymore without being seen as a creep
Changes are slow and you don't usually notice how much your body has changed
I started in February, obviously there's not going to be visible changes
I'm not a tall guy, I think I lie right below the middle at 5'8/9" and I've been bullied at that and was pretty insecure until recently when I joined a handball team and had to push guys that are over 6 foot, learning that I'm able to do that gave me confidence to the point that people don't even seem that much taller in my eyes even if they definitely are (of course if we both train at he same rate they will be stronger than me, shit sucks sometimes, but my coach told me I need to find my value for the team if it is not being a big guy, she told me of this girl in her team that is really small so she figured she could be more agile and uses that to her advantage, also one of the best players in my team is smaller and way less muscular than me but I suck ass if you compare us)
Well I'm 5'5, so I'm actually a manlet. You're not, I can't push tall people off the ball. And women don't like manlets that are around my height
There's no point in comparing your with other guys because there will always be someone better than you, I used to compare myself with guys that I felt were superior to me and compensate with what they didn't have (I would think that maybe I'm not as funny but I sang better, or I wasn't as confident but I was more intelligent) then I got to one of the best universities in my country and met people that had every fucking good trait you could think of, I had no chance against those people so why compete?
You're right, there will always be better more superior guys than me. And women WILL want them over me. That's just how things are. They'd have no reason to settle for me when they can easily get with tall, good looking guy if they do wished.
To answer your question, there's a ton of girls in this world that these guys are not talking to, think what that means for a bit.
It just means said girls like those same guys but aren't being acknowledged. And they won't acknowledge guys that are below that as viable partners.
This may sound cliche and I feel you're not very thankful with what you have, but if you're able to be on Reddit then you already have a lot to be thankful for and if you are, that will show in your eyes
I'm close with my parents, highly doubt that's an issue. And I'll wish friends happy birthdays and whatnot when its appropriate.
That also applies to girls ofc,
Not applicable
have only had 1 girlfriend? That doesn't make much sense right?
If you claim to be as good looking and high status as that then that's your own fault for not actively pursuing girls
if you think you're at the bottom then you can only go up.
Or I can go further down lol
You can dm me if you want to chat about this stuff
Lol ok
Ok so you don't want help and think all girls behave exsctly the same, that's misogynistic as fuck, no wonder you don't have the success you want, you probably creep on girls, as you feel any approach is creepy (if you walked up to a girl and asked her for directions would that be seen as creepy?) you just gotta talk to girls you don't want to have sex with in a respectful way and you'll learn a lot, good luck
Ok so you don't want help and think all girls behave exsctly the same, that's misogynistic as fuck
Where the hell did I explicitly say that? Again, link me the exact comment where I said they're all the same.
no wonder you don't have the success you want, you probably creep on girls
There it is, the jumping to conclusions when you have zero arguments. Yet another classic.
(if you walked up to a girl and asked her for directions would that be seen as creepy
If I did it, yes it would because of my looks.
[–]PuempelsPurpose 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol, you're deluded. Those things make it easier... lacking those things, on their own, will not make it difficult.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I’m describing an objective problem without insulting anyone. Calling me incel is offensive. I know it’s also a meme but idk, please don’t.
[–]Visualize_ 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You saying a weak jawline is what's holding you back is the stupidest fucking thing I've read all week. If women aren't viewing you in a sexual way, your jawline is at the bottom of the list for why it's happening. It really is teetering on the edge of incel vibes because the next phase is if you don't change your mentality, you are probably going to start blaming women next.
It has nothing to do with blame. And it’s not stupid, it’s quite objective.
[–]el_colimofla 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not objective, there's no objectivity when it comes to Attraction because everyone is attracted to different things. Sure there's a few beauty standards that some industries have set, but they don't apply to everyone. Sure there's stuff that represents health and therefore make you more attractive but that is a floor (I mean that people would usually not be attracted to people that don't look healthy, but that doesn't mean they will be attracted to everyone who is, because everyone should be). I recommend you stop chasing girls that are looking for a defined jawline if you don't have one and can't do much about it, but I'm pretty sure there's other stuff you're not doing well
[–]hazrat_unmad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lot of people come to the conversation not to help or contribute. They come to conversation to feel good about themselves. And what's the easiest way to feel good about yourself these days? Activism. You go out there and start calling people names and feel good about yourself. Doesn't whether you actually helped someone or any cause. It's very pathetic.
Lol I dont think you know what "activism" means. Read the comments - OP doesn't want help. He wants reinforcement that the deck is stacked against him and that finding love/affection is impossible.
You're inventing a problem in your mind.
[–]ArjunVermaReddit -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I cringed really hard at the question but its sad this is a very real concern society is dealing with rn
[–]PuempelsPurpose 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
It's not a real concern, it's an imaginary concern.
[–]ArjunVermaReddit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well all concerns are in the mind so they're all imaginary
[–]PuempelsPurpose 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Sure, but fear of being imminently burned alive is logical if you are in a burning building... much less logical if you are in the middle of a lake.
Being concerned about not being able to find a partner because you have a weak jawline is not a logical concern.
[–]ArjunVermaReddit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
My whole cringe exactly. But I'm also trying to point out that this is the kind of stuff that's propagated nowadays. It's like how back in the day magazine bods were the envy, it may have made some sense but this jawline business is so much worse because it's purely genetic
[–]PuempelsPurpose 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh, for sure. Its a vicious cycle and an echo chamber, and its a derivative of the incel movement. I'm not getting into the whole social political aspect of inceldom, but the whole idea of "I don't match the image of the medias ideal male and therefore there is no use in trying to better myself or work at becoming an attractive partner" really, really needs to die. It's the belief that there is no chance that actually kills these guys chances. The definition of self-fulfilling prophecy.
[–]ArjunVermaReddit 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I couldn't agree more, but it kills their chances more because of how it affects their confidence than having any basis in reality. Girls don't give two hoots about looks except while swiping through dating apps and just walking around in the outside world and seeing how mismatched couples out there are physically should be proof enough of how people have assumed the online world and offline world to be a lot more similar than they really are
[–]somefellaUK -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So being conscious of your appearance / aware of the importance of looks makes you an incel does it? What a stupid comment.
Big difference between being conscious of it and fixating on it.
[–]klippklar 4 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Jay Baruchel, Zach Braff, Tom Felton, Adam Driver, Nicholas Cage and Michael Cera all have bad jawlines. Nicholas Cage even had surgery on his jaw for that reason. Adam Driver is an ugly ass mf overall if you look at it objectively.
If you can't deal with it and it really undermines your self-consciousness consider the surgery. But it might not be the root of your doubts.
Tom Hardy too
[–]IAmTheTrueWalruss 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Adam Driver is Hollywood ugly. He’s still massively attractive.
[–]klippklar1 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
You're not wrong, his attractiveness however comes from his overall demeanor rather than his looks.
[–]rudebwoy100 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The masculine thing to do is to stop worrying about your jawline and keep approaching girls without worrying about rejection and develop your game. There's too many average to below average guys getting pussy for you to worry about these things.
[–]Kevin26039898 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Chew hard gum and practice mewing
[–]Esmond_Mutt2323 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have no clue if I have a weak jawline or not!
[–]Electric_kundalini 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You probably don't have a weak jawline as you'd know.
[–]Protocol_Apollo 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Have you tried growing a stubble beard? Like 5 o clock shadow?
I cannot
[–]Allgegenwart 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Check out r/minoxbeards.
[–]Protocol_Apollo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ok, then go clean shaven and keep body fat in check.
That’s how you’ll accentuate your jawline.
[–]el_colimofla 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Has any girl said something about your jawline that makes you think that?
[–]ksmith11011 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Did you have your wisdom teeth out by chance? Did your teeth come in straight?
I’ve always had a good jaw line except when I’m chubby. The round face is always an indicator I need to start losing weight. I think your dental stuff plays a lot into it though, you said you’re already thin.
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I know many things depend on mentality. But I’m not sure this one is one of them. Like, I have other physical weaknesses and I couldn’t care less about them while they used to worry me when I was younger, because I have matured. But the jaw thing, when I was younger I didn’t even notice I had this problem, I have realized it after.
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
People don’t give feedback on rejections, that’s why it’s so difficult to figure out what’s wrong.
[–]FIFAPLAYAH 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao that’s the issue. Nothings wrong, it’s not a rejection, it’s a mismatch. Theres not much in convincing a girl to fuck, they’re usually fickle and not worth wasting time on. A girl who likes you will make it known.
[–]Majestic_Meal_5655 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I didn't even know this was an issue. It looks to me that you may be obsessing over nonsense. If you are slim and can't grow a beard then how old are you? If you are a teen you haven't grown into your manhood. Your face being average shouldn't be an issue if your body is in great shape. On top if your face is average, it can be helped by working on making your wallet not average. I suggest being patient with your facial hair if you are young. Keep getting ripped at the gym. Get a high paying job or become an entrepreneur. Make that money. Educate yourself, take courses and read 50 books a year. Attracting woman is easier when you focus on the 3 pillars of masculinity. 1: Mind (educate yourself, read 50 books a year). 2: Body (stay fit). 3: Wallet (make as much money as you can). See how nothing was said about your face? Your face its most likely not the problem.
[–]TooMuchJibberish 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Your face its most likely not the problem.
Yes it is, is the woman going to be kissing his face or is she going to be kissing or having sex with the books he reads or the money he makes? Lol
[–]Majestic_Meal_5655 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
No it isn't. First of all the majority of man aren't good looking. This isn't a deal breaker. Just go outside and look around. There is plenty of ugly ass mfs with cute gfs. Man aren't supposed to be the fair ones. Leave that to the woman. Dont be foolish, chicks will follow money and clout over a cute face. Dont become another incel.
[–]ftdrain 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is bullshit, I am fucking broke and I have plenty of options based on looks alone, I also know quite a few dudes with money that do nothing but beat their own meats. We are in the age of online dating, girls have jobs and their own money, cash wont carry an uggo anymore, looks never mattered more
[–]TooMuchJibberish 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
First of all the majority of man aren't good looking
I'm aware of that, something like 90% of males are seen as unattractive.
This isn't a deal breaker
Yes it can be
There is plenty of ugly ass mfs with cute gfs.
They're the minority
Dont be foolish, chicks will follow money and clout over a cute face. Dont become another incel.
So one would have to earn over 100k and be famous just to be seen as a viable human being and not some sub human?
And no actually, there's women that swoon over literal criminals just because of their looks. How does that fit in your narrative?
And by definition I already am an inkwell as I've tried to date/get laid for years now and haven't been able to
[–]Majestic_Meal_5655 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You sound like an incell 💯%. Your excuses help no one. No one should ever listen to your advice.
[–]TooMuchJibberish 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You sound like an incell 💯%.
I literally admitted to being one, are you illiterate? Lol
Your excuses help no one
How are they excuses
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To be clear I don’t agree with him and it was not my point.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ugliness on its own is not a problem, and I don’t consider myself ugly. But I look like an asexual/kid, not like a sexual/man.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I’m in my late 20s lol. I do have a good job. But my failures in seduction are getting me depressed, and I’m afraid of losing career potential due to lack of motivation and focus.
You need therapy, seriously. That line of reasoning that your career will suffer if you don’t get a girl is horse shit. If you don’t focus on your career and other life pursuits first, I guarantee you your performance will get worse, not better.
[–]PS6610 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes. I've suffered with this all my life and it's very true, women don't see you as a sexual partner. A friend yes, but not a sexual being.
I have tried growing a beard but I also suffer from premature gray hair, and the grey beard didn't enhance my jawline, it just made me look older and scruffy, so I shaved it off.
COVID facemasks were actually a positive to me!
[–]captansam 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Work on your diet. Stay with a caloric deficit
[–]user009818 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Less manly. Getting a strong jawline is actually relatively simple depending on ur age. Mewing + chewing hard gum for 30 min daily will slowly transform ur face . But ur mentality is horrible , thinking that you " look" less manly, hair style, style of clothes u wear etc makes a huge difference . I'm personally working on my jaw line but that doesn't stop me from still looking hella good
[–]basedpopufo691 point 4 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
I cannot grow a beard so this option is out
Minoxidil and enough time.
[–]the_torn_ultimatum -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think this is more of a confidence issue than a physical one.
Confidence is attractive so if you're feeling insecure about a physical part of your body, that may be coming through with how you show up.
There is someone out there looking for exactly you. If someone specifically doesn't like your jawline, that person is probably not the person for you.
[–]FaithInStrangers94 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah you’d get a bit more attention if you had a stronger jaw line but that’s not reality so unless you decide to get surgery then do the best with what you have - undoubtedly a man with a weak jawline who has good social skills and personality can attract more women than a guy with a strong face structure, I’ve seen it
[–]TheNoobtologist 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jaw surgery is a pretty big deal too. Not to be taken lightly.
[–]Yerebeets -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Grow a beard, nowadays it’s almost rare if you are a guy and have a smooth face.
I cannot, I said it in the post.
[–]4ndytemple -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
First off you need to be confident in yourself despite what you look like because that’s the first thing women will notice.
When it comes to actually making yourself appear more attractive to women there are a couple things you specifically do.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I work out a lot and I’m pretty fit. I can’t grow facial hair. The jawline/cheek exercise is a good point, do you have any resource?
[–]4ndytemple 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly just look around and you’ll find exercises that can help. The advice to work your neck is good as well, and that’ll give you a more defined areas around your face which can help.
Just do some research on exercises (start slow with neck exercises, coming from a former wrestler, it’s better to start slow than hurt something cause you can mess that up pretty bad) and do research on how people have grown beards because although they have good genes they also have advice you may not always think of.
Neck exercises
For jawline just chew more gum, eat harder foods(apples, nuts, meat, basically heathy sh*t) jawline video
Beard video
[–]ftdrain 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You can try neck exercises as well, look up jeff nippard for that. I know its fucking weird as fuck training neck but it does seem to make a huge difference making a dude look more masculine, someday Im gonna get into that shit
[–]TheWhiteWalkerSpeaks -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't need to have a chiseled jawline but if you're working out and are ripped/shredded then your face must have very little fat. Your jawline should be decent enough for you to not complain. There are also these jawline exerciser you get on Amazon which you basically chew and it works on your jaw muscles.
My face does indeed have no fat at all. But the bone structure is not there.
[–]aiden2kluvyou -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly having a weak jawline doesn't affect anything i myself have a weak jawline most of the time I'm chubby and have belly fat and I'm always successful with women and people in general because I'm confident in myself although my looks are average but i just see myself 10× better when i look at the mirror that's just it if you keep thinking about it you will never make any changes
[–]ArjunVermaReddit -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Just watch some pornos with littler guys and hot chicks if this bothers you so much lol. I mean I'll be honest it's helped me realize how we think theres only one way to "look good". Id give the same advice to fat people who think they cant get laid because of their weight, its pretty cringe considering how I see a lot of fat guys walking around holding hands with girls I could dream about. I mean sure workout if thats your case but jawlines are not an unhealthy disease. And honestly stop giving a shit about the looks stuff or you'll be inferior all your life
[–]martyr1337 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
By eating out your mom. Stop asking stupid questions
[–]Artist-in-Residence- -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's nothing wrong with your face. Don't get botox and fillers please.
Instead, try a little IPL (intense pulse light) laser (if you have a light skin tone, 1 or 2 type) and focus on moisturisation without petrochemicals but which contains niacinamide.
I don't suggest retinoids because that thins skin over time. If you have bags under your eyes, take more vitamin K or coenzyme q10, drink more freshly juiced drinks and clean water without fluoride. Your skin is a reflection of your overall health. Eye bags usually indicates you're vitamin K deficient.
If you're on ADHD meds, try to wean off them because accelerated ageing is caused by most ADHD meds, especially adderall and other types of amphetamines.
[–]invaderjif 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get an eye patch. It's the perfect distraction.
[–]nosepickergabe 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What's the most you can grow if not a full beard. Try growing as much so you can shave it to a mustache with a goatee. Also using tea tree beard products work well. I also have a weak jawline too.
[–]HandsomeBadness 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
BEARD
[–]Justin3263 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do I have a weak jawline? I hadn't noticed. Hmmm
[–]swhatrulookinat 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you have a double chin? There’s tongue/ mouth exercises you can do to strengthen your jawline.
[–]DtdKaz 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please don’t get surgery
[–]otilya 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
you can improve your jawline by mewing - google it
[–]liltimmyturner9000 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just grow a beard. My Jawline was decent in highschool. Gained a little weight and it just wasn't ever the same. I understand not everyone can grow a beard, but that's how I deal with it. Sometimes I would like to rock the no beard look but.... I've got used to myself with a beard. Tbh I'm less confident without it...
Just a self esteem issue lol
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