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Denmark Calls for Mandatory Military Service for Women

furchfur

January 26, 2023
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-01-26/danish-defense-minister-calls-for-mandatory-enlistment-for-women?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTY3NDczMTY2NSwiZXhwIjoxNjc1MzM2NDY1LCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJSUDJYQkNUMEFGQjUwMSIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiIxMTJGOEY3MUY4Mzk0NTJBOEE1N0E1M0M2MTA1QkY0QSJ9.8eTNyHe5zC1a_mIQoMUHPKE4yGQheeJV-E_SqliQRF8
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Title Denmark Calls for Mandatory Military Service for Women
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furchfur

Upvotes 1568
Comments 284
Date January 26, 2023 1:55 PM UTC
(3 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
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Comments

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 284 points285 points286 points 3 years ago (87 children) | Copy Link

Hey, ladies, I'm sorry you are going to be pressed into service. I really am.

But this is what equality looks like.

[–]EvidencePlz 125 points126 points127 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

LOL what? They will probably work as social media community managers. "Let's take a photo of this tank, apply some filters using Photoshop and upload it on the army's Instagram account. There, I served in the army".

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 55 points56 points57 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I get that. But still, having a government put a gun to your head and say "do this or else" is never fun.

[+]trolsor -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

So the fact is . It is so in your country . Not in danmark . They dont need to put gun to peoples head in danmark because conditions are sooo outstanding and what they offer is soo atractive . Joining værnepligt in danmark is ABSOLUTELY FUCKING DIFFERENT THAN YOUR COUNTRY! what you become happy and yupiiii is not necesarily good in another country .

Feminists wanted that in danmark because in danmark this is for their advantage .

[–]trolsor 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You are supporting danish feminists . Both men and women .

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

k

[+]trolsor -15 points-14 points-13 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Fact is danish men has nothing to suffer in army . They are not full of fears from 7/11 s .. they dont have even skyskreaber towns . This is so good oportunity and well paid career they have been volunteering and make good money considering their age . Danmark lost 40 soldiers last 20 years USA .. over 10.000 .

Danmark wont draft these women in frontlines . And now women take their share from the juicy cake . You can do it as civil defence in country too also an optional in danmark. . Perspective and reality totally different in danmark .

At this very moment while you down voting this post , on other threads actual danish men screaming that this will cost ahead for them to lower salaries with increased numbers by taking women goverment bring this as a solution to civil workers in hospitals and other “ CIVIL” goverment services.as Lars LOkke Rasmussen’ cheap labour solution . . Because guess what .. people free to choose between military and civil and guess where they will place the women .

You are clapping this together with feminist danish men .

amazing to see you guys on the same page with feminists.

You are clapping the idea by assuming army duty conditions are same in your country . IT IS NOT !

[–]IRowmorethanIBench 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is MANDATORY service. Pretty sure women could already serve voluntarily before. Nobody was keeping them from serving in the army. They didn't serve because they didn't want to.

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Meanwhile, serving was always mandatory for men. It wasn't voluntary

[–]Christian-Phoenix1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Next step: have the government put “a gun to head” of these women, and serve the country by reducing the incel/lonely men problem (by dating them). That would be true service to the nation.

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What say you not make this sub sound terrible?

[–]TempleOfDooom1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL. That would be typical women. Doing nothing and pretending to do everything.

[–]Ok-Crab-4063 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Then during conversation pinning metals to their chest for the most basic shit

[–]lordluke10 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's gonna end in prison probably. I don't think it's legal to photograph military equipment here. The voluntary serving women do take a lot of pictures in their uniform here though

[–]Your_Agenda_Sucks 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I bet you anything, the primary recruitment vehicle for women will have some kind of social-media clout angle to its marketing.

[–]Benefit-Remarkable 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm sorry you are going to be pressed into service. I really am.

I'm not. I can guarantee you most females don't feel sorry for men who are/were dragged into military service against their will. Stop showing them more compassion than they'll ever have for you.

[+]pavlyha666 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

who is everyone?

[–]trolsor 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (11 children) | Copy Link

Noone press anyone in danmark %99 army volunteer and they paid well . And even B- tax lvl. It is lirerary “job” which employers pays for residance , meals , travel , gives them home visits .. very good oportunity for young men while they looking for job before they start their career for couple of months .

Now women will take their share from cake

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Ok, but the article title literally has the word "mandatory" in it.

[–]megaRXB 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

They have so many volunteering they don’t need to draft anyone. It’s mandatory if you get picked and your spot is not filled by a volunteer.

I tried to join the military service but they were full and only wanted to consider you for basic training if you could pass a pretty tough physical exam.

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's not the fucking point!

I was in my teens when 9/11 happened. I sat there, watching the carnage, knowing that the resulting war was going to last well into my adulthood (and it did). I feare the day,, when I turned 18, I was going to have to sign up for the draft, but all the girls in my class wouldn't. I lived in fear for years, thinking "when are they going to come for me?"

If feminists want equality, then they should suffer equality.

[–]Drahy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't go on deployments as a conscript in Denmark.

Conscription is just 4 months basic recruit training.

[+]megaRXB -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

“I want women to suffer” 💀💀

[–]lordluke10 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"i want women to suffer equally"*

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality

[–]trolsor 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

I could not explained that fact to men from other countries in this reddit .

They are sooo hopelessly clinging their own countries conditions and think the danmark is the same .

It is not good for danish men in danish conditions !

[–]Isuckgreenballs 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Shut up

[–]trolsor 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why ? So you can be happy for other countries mens misery and reducing their oportunities ?

[–]trolsor 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have linked danish news from tv s channel .. you are talking about some other countries english source . Danish army nearly %99 volunteer. They have free residance eat and even travel cost everything paid on top they have over 8000 kr AFTER TAX

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -16 points-15 points-14 points 3 years ago (59 children) | Copy Link

No it’s not. Equality is about having the same rights, status and opportunity. It has to do with values. Do we even want female soldiers, considering that the vast majority of all women are weaker than men? Or is it simply about women having it as bad as men do?

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

So now you agree that the vast majority of women are weaker than men ,nice convenience

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol well yea, physically weaker and thought this was obvious to most people?

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not obvious you see ,being a guy you share that men sports team where sports is strength based is better because they are physically strong ,you will hear a backlash

If there is a job where man spends more hours and women can leave early due to various reasons ,and man gets additional pay then you see women on streets saying their is discrimination,actually discrimination is when you are supposed to work extra hours due to your gender but can't ask for raise or money for the additional effort

[+]anybloodythingwilldo -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well it's what most men want to argue when those articles come out about physical exams being made easier so women can join the fire brigade or armed forces. Women being in dangerous jobs then becomes 'bad'.

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ohh if there is so much discrimination,why is no one asking for quotas there ,why only high position and exams quotas are asked for ?

I don't see women protesting to be fire fighter but I saw them rallying to get quotas in big firms

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never mentioned discrimination, I'm saying that men complain both about women not doing these jobs and also women not being physically able to do them. There's a post like this further down this thread. The poster both wants conscription to teach feminists a lesson but also worries women would be a liability in the armed forces.

[–]Benefit-Remarkable 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, so if a man has the "opportunity" to be drafted and sent to die for his country, so should you. The "men strong, women weak" argument is outdated and pure nonsense, especially with today's technology. You don't have to be Shehulk to carry a rifle or drive a tank.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well yea, but women in most countries do have the opportunity…?

[–]Punder_man 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In America, women have the opportunity to voluntarily enlist.
And if they want to, good on them

But Every man has to sign up to be conscripted / enlisted or else lose access to privileges that women do not.

The biggest issue here is that in America, women get all the rights / privileges without being forced into agreeing to be conscripted / drafted yet men must accept this condition to get the same rights / privileges as women.

If feminism cared at all for equality then it would be pushing hard to remove the requirement for men to sign up for selective service upon turning 18..
But when we bring this up the very same people who claim feminism is about "Equality" do a 180 and tell us "Make your own movement" or "Feminism is focused on issues affecting women"

Yeah.. real nice 'equality' there..

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link

Equal rights

Equal responsibilities

Equal privileges

That's it

No arguments, just simple equality.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -13 points-12 points-11 points 3 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

Equality according to Oxford Dictionary: the state of being equal, especially in status, rights, or opportunities: an organization aiming to promote racial equality.

Nothing about responsibilities is mentioned.

[–]Imissyourgirlfriend2 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Equality is equality is equality

Equality is not fair and fair is not equality

[–]Codename-18 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

So which activities did you promote in order for men to have the same rights women enjoy while simultaneously having no responsibility?

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Every (adult) have responsibilities. Think of how it was during WWII for instance, when all the men were going to war and the women were forced to work in the factories as well as take care of the children. Sure, they’d “only” be at risk of death through bombings or death camps and such things. But you could still say it’s about both sexes having equal responsibilities. It’s not like it’s always necessarily the worst thing to die either. Basically only those of you who haven’t lost someone close to you would stubbornly believe that death is the worst possible faith. But that’s not always the case. Losing everyone you care about would to a lot of people be worse than actually dying, me included.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

So you want to be exempt from conscription while the men aren't. Thats not gonna happen.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Lol where did I state that I wanted to be exempted of conscription? I’m talking about the fact that in case of war everyone have responsibilities and that dying isn’t always the worst thing that could happen to you. That’s it.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You are downplaying men's conscription and death in war.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Well maybe I am, but that’s probably because I’m from a country where conscription is already gender neutral and at the same time we’ve had peace for more than 150 years. It’s really not relevant

[–]Codename-18 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Ok I've got a solution for you, let's swap the genders you go fight and we'll give BJs in the nursery lol

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but then we’ll get the leaderships roles too. Oh wait, in that case there wouldn’t even be any wars to fight. How convenient

[–]Codename-18 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Any war in the history of mankind was fought because of hypergamy.

Besides, when women were in leadership roles war did happen.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link

Really? What an interesting idea, could you elaborate?

How are conflicts of leadership the cause of women though? Isn’t it because those without power want more? In that case it could as easily be because men were angry that a woman was in power.

[–]kamikaze7521 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

Women only platoons would be the most likely situation, reduces chances of sa and soldiers messing around intimately or getting distracted, plus it would be easier for women to Cary injured women rather then injured men.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s an awesome suggestion, I absolutely agree!

[–]blewunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

That's what makes sense and people in military forces agree. They shouldn't even be together since rape cases aren't unusual.

Also women should be trained for tasks they likely can execute better. Remember that women are physically weaker than men and usually smaller.

[–]kamikaze7521 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Yes I'd agree, they would definitely have advantages when used for things that require stealth e.g snipers or setting up ambushes. They would fit quite well in tanks and and other veichles aswell, luckily now days physical strength isn't as important as agility and fitness on the battlefield, a gun in anyone's hands can do alot of damage.

[–]blewunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

I also would like to add my 2 cents for this talk. I have plenty of korean friends and there military service is mandatory for 2 years for men.

One friend of mine (male) was extremely skinny when he was called to serve. He didn't pass the physical requirements so he did the basic training (few months) and because he had a degree in languages 'korean-chinese-english' he served in a office job. And many men, who for some reason don't pass the physical requirements, they still serve but as public officers.

I wouldn't be surprised that same would happen to women. Like, they still need to serve but due to their physical characteristics they aren't likely to perform at combat roles and therefore would end up in office positions.

In the country I live there are many female firefighters and the equipment was made to be handled by men (hoses and stuff). Of course when extra hands are needed a woman is welcome. I've seen more women as truck and ambulance drivers since it doesn't require physical strength.

It's odd to see Americans pointing out that without men there will be no firefighters when in my country we see women all the time and they also die in fires and in rescuing missions.

[–]kamikaze7521 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

It is possible for some mandatory military services that women will end up in non combat roles or as drivers ect because of physical reasons but soon strength and physical characteristics will be irrelevant. Mass adoption of exoskeleton suits is not that far off, we already have suits that allow the user to pick up 90kg with ease, the user only needs to bear 4.5kgs(5%) of the 90kg weight with their own strength. In a full scale war where you have no choice and need as many foot soilders as you can get, things will be different. Tanks for example are becoming less and less physical so women would definitely be able to operate them, they would probably fit better in a tank then a large man as they are known to be quite space restrictive. You don't need strength to operate a turret on a personell carrier or any other veichle either, their size may even be of benefit as they will be a smaller target for enemy fire. Alot of civillians would be delighted to see and probably more relaxed if a squad of more compasionate women were to come to their rescue. Right now with women holding majority of nursing jobs in society they would be very beneficial as field medics in a war too. Even in the navy there are plenty of jobs that they would be needed in, a battleship has a crew of around 2000 and a carrier has a crew of 5000. It would be better to have less physically fit/strong people running logistics for your armies aswell as huge army's need constant resupplies. There is definitely enough jobs to go around and militaries now days would be silly not to utilize every one that they can.

[–]blewunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Women always joined war in nursing positions, actually.

[–]kamikaze7521 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I never said they didn't, I still think adoption of women into the combat forces is a good thing and another step in the right direction towards equality. We will need everyone we can get if war with China breaks out plus tech will solve any physical limitations we may have eventually, who knows hopefully tech will replace all soldiers eventually.

[–]blewunicorn1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

If all population goes to combat who will take care of the actual economy? Even if women join combat roles someone needs to keep infrastructures goin on, also take care of the elders and the children.

[–]rb577511 354 points355 points356 points 3 years ago (65 children) | Copy Link

A step in the right direction.

[–]Ordinary_Round_55601 points 3 years ago [recovered] (24 children) | Copy Link

Respecting the human rights of all equally would be a better option.

[–]lordluke10 95 points96 points97 points 3 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link

Yep, if we lived in a Utopia. But unfortunately we are a small country that needs to be able to protect itself, and overwhelmingly burdening men with that is horrible

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

So you should add women to it.

[+]ifreew 51 points52 points53 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They benefit from that protection, so they should participate.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i agree.

[–]SomeonePleaseKillMe1 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

People shouldn't die for government owned land. It's not like most of these women would ever see the frontlines anyways, they'll get relatively safe jobs as support or medics.

Edit- Oh, and have pictures taken of them modeling in uniforms and guns so other western countries praise them for having such a "progressive and patriotic" army. That's always rich.

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

You usually protect your homeland because of your family and friends, and the land YOU own, but great opinion buddy.

How do you know they won't see combat? If women never make it into the army at all, they'll never progress to combat rolee

[–]SomeonePleaseKillMe1 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not dying for my apartment lol. I can't help my refugee family survive in another country if I'm stuck in the trenches either dead or getting my dick deskinned a second time as a POW. Look at how armies operate, women are rarely given positions in the frontlines so I'm not being radical by assuming this will keep happening.

The most empowering thing you can do as a man is to leave the politicians who got you into the mess to the wolves and ignore the biological impulse to view yourself as disposable. It's usually not bravery driving men to die like this, it's just another evolutionary trait that no longer holds any meaning now that our population is too high to be threatened.

But yeah, that's just my opinion buddy.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

biological impulse to view yourself as disposable.

There is no such biological impulse.

[–]lordluke10 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Shitty opinions be shitty

Edit: OOoof, pulling out the alt account to keep arguing because you're too stupid understand Danish culture and samfundssind is a pretty bad look.

Disagreement and not understanding is two different thing smartass. You weren't putting up realistic arguments

Editedit: again it was not an argument, just someone spewing ignorance and trolling, that's what the block function is litteraly for

[–]123JesusWatchesMe 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro I agree with you, but you can't block someone you're actively arguing with lmao

[–]BlockAccount 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

So is blocking someone just because they disagree with you. If you're that terrified of a redditor replying to you than you aren't built for war.

Go be a wannabe war hero somewhere else lol.

Edit- Cope. I understand your reasoning, I just think differently. You value tradition and Danish group bias (although I'm sure plenty Danish would disagree with you over there) and I value my own life and rely on my own observations and way of thinking.

You immediately getting cunty with me when I started sharing my opinion tells me you're threatened by that.

[–]Ordinary_Round_55601 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not just about "government owned land", it's about a whole nation, ideals, common project or whatever you want to call it. I think the issue is whether that has any value to you. You can simply have been born or gone to work there, but have zero sympathy for it, or even have sympathy for the enemy side.

It should be up to you and you alone to decide if you want to work and sacrifice for something. And if no one wants to sacrifice for something, then maybe it wasn't worth anyone dying for. It should never be reasonable to enslave anyone, let alone send them to the bellicose meat grinder.

[–]BlockAccount 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It should be up to you and you alone to decide if you want to work and sacrifice for something. And if no one wants to sacrifice for something, then maybe it wasn't worth anyone dying for. It should never be reasonable to enslave anyone, let alone send them to the bellicose meat grinder.

This is what I'm trying to say. All the patriotic/nationalist aspects are subjective. What's objective is that a authoritative entity is willing to force men to die for said land, regardless of THEIR ideals. There is absolutely no shame in teaching people to think outside group bias and tradition.

[+]thunderdragonite -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Denmark needs to protect itself? What?

[–]pocketknifeMT 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You never know when Gustavus Adolphus might come pillaging…

[–]lordluke10 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Just right now there's this little country called Russia that's been sending fighter jets into our airspace and waging cyberwarfare at us. But your right, were totally safe. We could just demilitarise without worries

[–]thunderdragonite -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

You are delusional if you think Denmark could stand against Libya let alone Russia.

[–]lordluke10 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Is this some sort of Russian propaganda account?

[–]thunderdragonite -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol cuz u need to believe propaganda to know that Denmark wouldn’t last 2 hrs in a war

[–]123JesusWatchesMe 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro the EXACT same words where used for Ukraine. Absolutely nobody beleive that they could even stand a chance, turns out the Russian army sucks absolute dick

[–]thunderdragonite 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Denmark would lose in 2hrs to anyone, including Russia. This isn’t a hot take Denmark’s military is a joke and it isn’t like this is an unknown fact

[–]lordluke10 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Ukraine is doing fine, and they weren't expected to last long. Why do you want Denmark to demilitarise so bad?

[–]thunderdragonite 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You think Denmark has anywhere near the military power of Ukraine? What is this copium. Your country is not important

[–]trolsor -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No. It is voluntariy in danmark already and they paid very well . They will open more spot for women so they can benefit too.

https://www.dr.dk/drtv/se/tv-avisen_-flertal-for-vaernepligt-for-kvinder_364733

[–]tolpepper 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not true, it is mandatory if enough people do not sign up on their own

[+]trolsor -13 points-12 points-11 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

%99 army is man . Again .. free food free residance free living plus 8000 kr income after tax .volunteering respected and good point for them when they searching jobs . Even danish royalty sign up for army because it is a tradition and honour . This is fact .

Now they open more “ positions “ for women so they can have the share from cake .

https://karriere.forsvaret.dk/varnepligt/forsvaretsdag/under/

EDIT : For the All naive man who down vote me there . You guys are enemy of your own and what i can see is it No Good for me try to wake you up. it is just like when you try to help someone and they bite your hand .

Let me know if one country with %100 army of mandatory with 18 month long nothing else than for a free bread and young boys dying in operations at terror and war do thisapplication ..

then you can hurraaa here .

Noone here seriously considering the reality of the situation .

You are reading everything into your own countries reality .

That is why you think this is a good news without thinking it in its own context .

[+]trolsor -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

IF .. With % 99 volunteer . Lol.

I am trying to understand the agenda here really .

[+]whater39 -36 points-35 points-34 points 3 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

No it's a step in the wrong direction. There should be no mandatory military service for anyone at times of peace.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 36 points37 points38 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Then how exactly does one prepare for war?

Visualization and affirmation???

“YoU gOt ThIs!!!!”

[–]Reaper621 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hopes and dreams.

[–]KougatCaribou 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thoughts and prayets

[–]Reaper621 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't know what a prayet is, but damn it, I'm in.

[–]KougatCaribou 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bruh 😂😂 I meant prayers

[–]PrimeWolf88 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Finland has an angry war-mongering Russia on their doorstep to contend with too.

Military service has probably never been more important for them in the last 70 years.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And we know the Finns are badasses when it comes to war with the Russians! 😎🇫🇮

[+]whater39 -12 points-11 points-10 points 3 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

Only have volunteers in the army at times of peace. Have people who want to be there in the first place.

Mandatory military service = slavery.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Were you saying that BEFORE women were gonna be included?

[+]whater39 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Mandatory military service = slavery.

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I didn't say mandatory military service for women is slavery. I said it's slavery period. This isn't a men/women thing, this is a government is forcing you to do something thing.

If someone wants to be in the military, they should join it willingly. No one should be forced to do something against their will.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

But you weren't making a fuss before it was gonna be extented to women.

[+]whater39 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It shouldn't be on men either. No one should be forced to be in the military at times of peace. I don't know why you keep on bringing up women on this topic. This is a government tyranny thing, not a man/woman thing.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Because the news is about women being drafted.

[+]whater39 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay, so Denmark's government was acting shitty before. Now they have doubled down on acting shitty

[–]Single_Bookkeeper_11 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Obviously??

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok good.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And (like fucking Norway) what if you aren’t a superpower with hundreds of millions? To be at an appropriate level of force readiness, you might need every swinging Richard and snapping Jane.

See Israel and Ukraine before you launch into “war will never happen” fantasies.

[–]whater39 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If a country isn't a superpower, they should force its citizens into military slavery against their will?

How about recruit people to willingly join the military forces to have forces at an appropriate level. Pay more money or pay for college tuition or some other thing to willingly get people to join.

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Israel is an apartheid country that does mandatory military service for all it's citizens. That's not a great example to use, they clearly don't care about freedom there.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That didn’t answer or address the question. Talk like an adult. Don’t be disingenuous.

[+]whater39 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I did answer the question. You said "appropriate level of force readiness".

I answered with "pay more or give more incentive for people to join the military". Then people will choose to be in the military over other professions, thus troop levels will hit the level for force readiness.

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I'm not being disingenuous, I sincerely believe that the military should be voluntary only during times of peace.

[–]TempleOfDooom 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. I’m all for drafting soldiers to fight and die against their will. Countries need the meat shields.

[–]NohoTwoPointOh 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Enjoy occupation

[–]lordluke10 11 points12 points13 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

  1. Yes, training someone takes time. You cant just pull coordinated soldiers out your ass.
  2. It suddenly isn't peacetime anymore

[+]whater39 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

1) Train the people who WANT to be in the military. Don't force people into the military against their will. Having people who are insubordinate against orders crushes the morale of other soldiers around them. Which is why most militaries are volunteer only forces.

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2) I didn't say countries shouldn't have a military. I said it should be volunter only. If a nation is attacked, then do conscription.

[–]lordluke10 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Omg you are not listening. When a country is attacked and everyone that wants to serve is deployed, it'll be 99% men. That's not equality. And if society isn't adjusted to think that women belong in the army, then no women here will want to do it in peace time.

This is just affermative action, but for the military.

[+]whater39 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If the force is volunteer only, why does it matter what % of the force is men or women? It's people choosing to join by their own free will.

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Most people consider the USA to have the strongest military in the world. It's volunteer only, not mandatory military service. Women make up 17.3% of the military (not your 5% example).

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Society doesn't need any adjustment (propaganda) for who joins the military willingly. If women want to join, let them join; don't force them to join at peace times. Exact same statement goes for men. Let men join by their choice, they shouldn't have mandatory military service for them either.

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

It matters because those people will be first in line to die..

The US is on a different level to Denmark. We need both genders to lift equally here.

Its not propaganda lol. You sound incredibly privileged. If it's only socially acceptable to men to to be in the army, it's not gonna matter when it comes to wartime. Do you think it's propaganda to want more female politicians, programmers and doctors?

Edit: Welp there's majority support for it now. Your conservative opinion is moot

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/nu-er-der-flertal-vaernepligt-socialdemokratiet-vil-ogsaa-have-flere-kvinder-i

[–]whater39 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

> It matters because those people will be first in line to die..

What are you even trying to say with that line. If people are in the military they are in the military, it doesn't matter what their gender is. They signed up to be in the military, they know that they will be on the front lines in a conflict.

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> We need both genders to lift equally

As in people in Denmark should be slaves to the government via military service. "You must submit to being trained to kill others. Or we will jail or kill you if you disagree". You are promoting tyranny against your fellow citizens.

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Let both genders choose their professions based on how they want to live life (it's their life. Not a government or a nation's life. It's the individual person's life). Look how bad the military is for people with higher rates of: PTSD, suicide, homelessness, spouse infidelity rates, etc. The job isn't good for people. But you think it's a good idea to force a bad job on a person against their will (at a time of peace).

[–]Secariel 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

These effects are linked to war, not the military per se, and you're talking about the military in times of peace.

[–]lordluke10 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay now you are just being dense on purpose. Why are men expected to be the first to die?

And you've been watching too many Qanon videos, or whatever conspiracy crazies watch. Værnepligt is not torture or slave labour. By that logic taxes are theft and jury duty is slavery too. Some people like to protect their way of life and family, preferably not in a way that more fairly distributes the burdens on both genders.

Somebody has to be in the military. Come out of your fantasy world.

Edit. Oh boy i just noticed you're not only misandric but anti-semitic too. I'm just gonna end it here then..

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Or would the right direction be to just end conscription full stop? Rather than getting off on something you think will be unpleasant for women.

[–]rb577511 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People that are responsible for the safety of others understand that the world is a dangerous place and preparedness is VERY important. The Neville Chamberlains of the world will always take the submissive cowardly way out.

[–]bfte2 146 points147 points148 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Queue: "WE DIDN'T SIGN UP FOR THIS FEMINISM!!!"

[–]Odd_Pollution2770 72 points73 points74 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminists want double standards not equality😂

[–]obi_wan_sosig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We men like to f up others in their eyes, so we will.

[–]whtsnk 34 points35 points36 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Cue*.

[–]toolsavvy 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

this is the way

[–]bfte2 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a queue of feminists.

[–]DownDog2010 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here in the Philippines our president is proposing Mandatory ROTC, and while I'm not fully in favor of it, I hear a lot of people on Twitter protesting that it will harm Women and LGBT+ and that it will apparently "promote macho-fascist culture".

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

("Cue")

[–]Odd_Pollution2770 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes!!! This is equality.

[–]TorBanEvader 157 points158 points159 points 3 years ago* (102 children) | Copy Link

They will probably get cushiony air-conditioned desk jobs while men DIE, just to be able to claim women serve too and get an upper hand in their political narrative, For ex. israel.

[–]ImcallsignBacon 43 points44 points45 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

In Norway its been mandatory for some time, so serving your conscript year only to then brag about it or try to use it to get an "upper hand" is a easy way to get laughed at.

[–]OverSavior 63 points64 points65 points 3 years ago (89 children) | Copy Link

Mandatory military service and draft during a war time are different things though. Mandatory military service means that during the times of peace the person will have to serve in the military for a certain period of time which will usually involve training. If it's already a thing for men, and the training program is the same for both sexes, then I think it's only fair if women had to serve, too. Although I'd still much rather have conscription abolished entirely

[–]runner557 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

We have not really had a major war in Europe or America bad enough that would involve conscription in the modern feminist times. So it’s all untested and uncharted waters if it does happen. Historically, conscription was lot of filler/fodder and not really much in quality soldiers. Modern warfare is different now though. So standards would be different than the past. Conscripts would have different roles.

However, if it does ever happen, I imagine we will suddenly see a baby boom with all the women who will view pregnancy as a way out of going.

[–]Sininenn 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ukraine conscripted men just last year, and it is part of Europe.

[–]runner557 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

But Ukraine does not conscript women. Several western countries do, but have not been in a war for decades that requires conscription.

[–]Sininenn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn't say anything about who would be conscripted:

"We have not really had a major war in Europe or America bad enough that would involve conscription in the modern feminist times."

Yes, we have had a major war. We have one right now.

[–]blewunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ukraine is parte of Europea but it's not part of EU (European Union)

[–]nocivo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A baby book would be good to keep the social programs healthy. The war would not.

[–]TorBanEvader 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago* (82 children) | Copy Link

This is just semantics. Bottom line is that its slavery. If someone forcefully picked up an 18-year-old child to do harsh labor, it'd be called kidnapping & slavery, but when they do it, it gets called 'training' or 'service' These terms deny its severity, if not promote it.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yes but now its equal slavery, which is better than the alternative

Especially when the people not subject to the slavery were part of the population voting to keep it

[+]NibblyPig -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (77 children) | Copy Link

Bottom line is that its slavery

Bruh. No.

Next you'll be saying school is slavery because you have to go. Paying taxes is slavery. Having to work to stay alive is slavery. /r/noworking

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago* (66 children) | Copy Link

Conscription is wildly different than simply paying taxes or working a chosen job for a normal salary, not symbolic like in conscription.

[+]NibblyPig -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (65 children) | Copy Link

The person is saying that mandatory military service and wartime draft, the bottom line is both are slavery.

I bet if you took a black plantation slave and told him he could live in a society that catered to his whims in exchange for doing a year of mandatory military service he wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

/s

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (60 children) | Copy Link

How does society cater to every whim of men? (the majority of the people drafted?)
Oh IT DOESN'T!
The fact is conscription IS unfree labour and you can't argue that.

[+]NibblyPig -7 points-6 points-5 points 3 years ago (59 children) | Copy Link

Right now I'm warm, clothed, have a choice of anything I want to eat, can pick up my phone and look up anything I want to look up, talk to literally anyone I know in seconds, receive literally any service I wish for, from someone to come and build me a garage to someone to bring me any food drink or item that I wish for. If I'm in distress I can call for an ambulance, police, fire brigade, coastguard, I can phone a number for medical advice, I can watch virtually any film I want, and listen to any song, and I can do all of that without leaving my seat, except to answer the door.

The price for this in some countries is to do a year of military service.

If you think it's "unfree labour" then you are straight up an idiot. Maybe no money is involved but you're still paying a debt to society.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Yes and when men are drafted all this is taken away from them. So how is that not unfree labour?

[–]NibblyPig -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link

I don't think so, but their point also extended to mandatory military service being unfree labour and performing it doesn't have society catering to the whims of the people performing it. But it's a job, like other jobs. I wouldn't say my regular job prevents me from doing anything I listed. There's no reason other than money, which may limit but not remove a few options, that you cannot enjoy those things while your job is military service, in general.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (32 children) | Copy Link

What the fuck is this debt to society? And why the fuck are only men the ones who have to pay it?

[–]NibblyPig -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (31 children) | Copy Link

It refers to the idea that individuals have an obligation to contribute to the well-being of the community as a whole. This can take many forms, such as paying taxes, participating in civic activities, or serving in the military.

As for why it's men, it's because historically that has been the division of responsibility in society. Times have changed, and therefore so should this practice. As we can see from this article, change is underway, however it's very slow and it may take a long time in countries that haven't stopped with historic gender roles.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Its LITERALLY classified as unfree labour, not by me either.

[–]NibblyPig -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's LITERALLY not though.

Military service, while it may involve some elements of compulsion, is not unfree labor because it is performed as a civic duty rather than as a means of generating profit. The purpose of mandatory military service is to ensure the defense and security of a country and its citizens. It is a way for individuals to contribute to the well-being of their community and to repay their debt to society.

Additionally, in most countries with mandatory military service, there are legal protections in place to ensure that individuals are not mistreated or exploited while serving. For example, individuals are typically paid a salary for their service, and are provided with food, housing, and medical care. They also have rights and benefits, such as disability compensation, retirement benefits and in some cases education benefits.

It's also important to note that, even though individuals may be compelled to serve in the military, they still have the freedom to make choices about their lives, such as what job to take or where to live after their service is completed.

[–]TorBanEvader 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I bet if you took a black plantation slave and told him he could live in a society that catered to his whims in exchange for doing a year of mandatory military service he wouldn't even be able to tell the difference.

If he would be forced to, then yes, I'm sure a black plantation slave would find it similar.

[–]NibblyPig -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If he would be forced to, then yes, I'm sure a black plantation slave would find it similar.

This is a joke right

[–]TorBanEvader 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Nice argument /s

[–]NibblyPig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean you unironically think that this:

The average working conditions and daily life of a black plantation slave were extremely harsh and brutal. Slaves were forced to work long hours in the fields, often in extreme heat and with little rest. They were provided with minimal food and clothing, and were subject to frequent beatings and other forms of physical abuse. Slaves were also separated from their families, and were not allowed to leave the plantation without permission. They were also denied education and any form of legal rights. In addition, they were also subject to sexual abuse. Overall, the life of a black plantation slave was one of extreme hardship and oppression.

Is comparable to this:

Mandatory military service is a civic duty that is expected of able-bodied citizens in some countries. It is typically a temporary commitment, with a set term of service, after which individuals return to civilian life. In contrast, the lives of black plantation slaves were characterized by a lifelong state of enslavement, with no possibility of release or freedom.

Although the daily routine of military service can be demanding and may involve some hardship, individuals are typically provided with adequate food, clothing and housing, and are not subject to the same level of physical abuse or mistreatment as slaves were. Furthermore, soldiers are usually paid for their service and have some legal rights.

Additionally, soldiers have some form of legal protection and rights, and have access to medical care and other benefits. While slaves were considered property and had no rights, no legal protection, and no access to medical care.

It is important to note that these are generalities, and the actual conditions of military service and the lives of slaves will vary depending on the country and the time period in question. Overall, the lives of slaves were much more brutal and oppressive, with a lifetime of forced labor, abuse and no rights, compared to a temporary period of service for citizens engaged in mandatory military service.

You literally think that their lives would be similar, 1 year or so of performing civic duty compared to a lifetime of enslaved beatings with no access to anything. Really.

This is why I assumed you were an absolute jester

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

L take lmao. No one wants to work and no one asked to be here. You sound like a company simp. Ready to blow every CEO ever for giving you a chance to be their dog. Reddit moment

[–]NibblyPig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No one wants to work and no one asked to be here.

Saddest take I've ever seen. People get a lot of satisfaction and meaning out of life by creating things and helping the lives of others. There's a lot of information about it. You should check out Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs. People get very depressed if they can't do things like realise their potential or take on a burden of responsibility.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Nothing is sad about it. Its reality. All this working for you to eventually die. You can call people lazy or pathetic or a nuisance to society all you like but truth is, a lot of people didn't ask to be here in such an unfair and stupid world made up of greed and corruption and death. That's just a fact. You don't work, you die. That sounds like slavery to me. Its not surprising at all that not every human wants to be FORCED to do things to live when they didn't have a choice of being born in the first place. So no, its not sad at all looking at the world the way it is. It just is. Even if it is an overrated existence.

[–]NibblyPig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How depressing. You can go out and find meaning and a reason to live and succeed, but it sounds like you'd rather wallow in self-pity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What you call depressing is just looking at the world as a realist. You say I wallow in self pitty but I dont. Im perfectly fine. Hell, I dont even have to work anymore and im not even 30. Good luck in life i guess.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You don’t go to prison for skipping school though and usually you get things in return after paying taxes. Those are bad comparisons

[–]NibblyPig 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You don't because you're a child, but your parents can be fined and jailed. You get something back for doing military service as well, the fact that everyone else does it and performs actions that improve the community. Just like when you pay taxes and it goes to things that improve the community.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I’m not sure people who are forced to do military service think of it this way.

And what kind of crazy laws do you have? Fined and jailed for not forcing your kids to go to school??

I think this is very dependent on the country, because we get healthcare, medicines, education and lots of other benefits by paying our taxes. Those are direct rewards. Military service doesn’t do any of this.

[–]NibblyPig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Most of the world has compulsory education https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsory_education , for good reason, we don't want people growing up in abject poverty because they can't read and write and thus can't do anything to provide for themselves or contribute to society.

Military service varies by country, it's obvious that if mandatory service applies that not everyone will be able to fulfil a military role, and if you're not at war there will be even less roles, but there are lots of other things for people to do to improve the community.

TBH I think it's a good idea to ensure everyone is contributing to the community they live in. I think too many people are selfish and just insist on having things provided for them. It is good that people are forced to realise these things are provided for them by other people.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well yea, but I’ve never heard of a country that put people in prison if the kids won’t go to school.

Yes of course, quite a few people would still be unable to fulfil the military service, me included because of asthma.

I totally agree! I really wish more people would help taking care of the country and each other.

[–]luminarium -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree, it's slavery. Worse than slavery. Slaveowners don't make slaves risk their lives fighting and dying on their owners' behalf.

Any government that forces mandatory military service deserves not to exist.

[–]nocivo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They exist to keep others from taking away your safety. That is why is still mandatory in countries with worrying neighbors like Israel, South Korea, etc. the countries where the probability of going to war is very small because they are inside a group of friendly neighbors or the control is very small to be a power in the world they moved to voluntary but people still need to register in case of big war

[–]TorBanEvader 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They exist to keep others from taking away your safety.

and black plantation slaves existed to keep food on the table. Neither of these reasons change the fact that they're both slavery.

[–]SamaelET 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

We need a dannish person to look at the application of this proposition. The fact that some women's organisations back the idea is concerning. But it is Danemark, most people there reject feminism in profit of women's right so maybe there is hope.

[–]Sininenn 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even in Denmark, women have special rights, legal protections and privileges that men don't.

Women already benefit, even in Denmark.

4th wave feminism of 'corporate board equity', 'consent-based anti rape laws' and even 'femicide' has been coming onto the feminist agenda even in Denmark.

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There isn't a proposition yet. All parties but the social democrats in the government just say they want it. And i only started hearing about it this this week, but I'll be following closely!

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why dont the social democrats say they want it too?

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol they just jumped on board

https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/politik/nu-er-der-flertal-vaernepligt-socialdemokratiet-vil-ogsaa-have-flere-kvinder-i

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats awesome!

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How is it concerning, it would be concerning if they were trying to fight it.

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Concerning in what way?

[–]trolsor -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Well what i saw on news in DR in the afternoon was not this . It does not contain army become necesarry for women not now lets say on the way may be BUT . This is not what you guys ready HURRRA! In danmark noone forced to army really % 99 volunteer . Gues WHAT ? They pay wellll !! Women will benefit from more salary .

This post possibly will get lost between others .

[–]shlomotrutta 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

They will probably get cushiony air-conditioned desk jobs (...) For ex. israel.

This is hardly accurate, nor is it fair. Women do serve in combat roles in the IDF, e.g. in batallions along the Jordan border. They do not get into physically demanding roles because the IDF does not lower standards to fulfill quotas. Women actually want into such roles but will only be allowed so if they fulfill the demands.

[–]pn1159 42 points43 points44 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

In the usa we need draft registration for women and if there is a draft we need to put women in the infantry so they can fight on the front lines just like men. This is equality.

[+]lostcymbrogi -24 points-23 points-22 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

While I think draft and conscription laws should reflect equality, we don't need to put women on the front lines. Front line grunts often have strenuous physical demands. Only those who can meet those standards should be there, men and women alike. It would be fair to point out its hard for many women to meet those standards. This isn't false.

Napoleon pointed out that an army lived on its stomach. This is still wholly true. Our logistics and supply units are the lifeblood of the modern military. Those who cannot meet the strenuous demands of the front lines could serve in those units with great honor.

[–]pn1159 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No. I have heard many many people say "anything a man can do a women can do and do it better". Women belong on the front lines fighting along side the men and proving their worth.

[–]FlatheadLakeMonster 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed, this is more lifting up men to be "worth" as much as a woman. We see it today, male volunteers and servicemen die all the time, but no one gets a special mention unless they're literally 18 (essentially a child, which is a while other bag). When a female volunteer or serviceman dies, it's used as propaganda for lack of a better term, because "how could they" kill women!

[–]yettobekilledbydeath 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Front line grunts often have strenuous physical demands. Only those who can meet those standards should be there, men and women alike. It would be fair to point out its hard for many women to meet those standards.

Same for firefighters and police and - at least in Germany - it was no problem to just lower the standards for women. If a 50kg woman is supposed to rescue my unconscious body from a burning buildung she could easily serve on the front line all geared up.

[–]ImMeloncholy -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah so there’s a reason there’s… restrictions for those jobs lmfao. They’re called “physical”s and you wanna know why they exist? Because you need to be able to hike a 200+ pound body over your shoulders and run for 10 minutes to save a life. If you can’t? You’re not going. Nearly all women don’t go to the “frontlines” (hardly even a word to use in this day and age when drones can be entire oceans away from their controllers) because it’s in the best interest of the soldiers around them. The boys actually fighting know how to use their fuckin brains apparently, because even they understand this.

[–]neighborhoodpainter 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Bu...bu....bu.....but men started all the wars so men should fight them.

[–]lordluke10 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hilariously, female monarchs were actually found to start more wars then male ones.

[–]Happyasyougo76 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women picked bigger and more intelligent men throughout evolution, they even motivated men to seek more resources and to compete, which still happens to this day (e.g. how many women do you know get turned on by weak and/or dumb men?). In a way, most wars can be argued to have started as a result of motivating men to compete and gene-picking

[–]eldred2 17 points18 points19 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If we use feminists logic, then shouldn't women be the only ones drafted into the military, to make up for historical discrimination against men?

[–]ihassaifi 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro you are a genius

[–]blewunicorn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Wasn't that discrimination created by men? Women were NOT allowed to serve in military roles and were forced to keep with 'men's roles' while men were deployed.

[–]ImMeloncholy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shhhh they don’t want to remember that it doesn’t fit the narrative!

[–]eldred2 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Google "white feather."

[–]McFeely_Smackup[🍰] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

men generally are required to serve if they are called on under a lottery system, for a duration of four months for most.

so, Denmark's mandatory conscription is basically a summer job?

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more like fucking tough boarding school stay

[–]pm_me_your_buttbulge 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I had a friend who back when 9/11 happened there was talk about a draft and they were quiet about it up until the rumors of drafting women too and then it's "I've always been against the draft" - piss off, no you haven't.

I occasionally reshare the Facebook image of "I'll fight for equality..." and there's snow around with a man shoveling "... tomorrow".

They fall into that category.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Big news from Finland also this week:
Media: starting in 2025, women will also be conscripted...
Me: Yay, finally some equality.
Media:...to encourage more women to take part in VOLUNTARY military service.
Me: Fuck me...

[–]furchfur[S] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You are wrong.

In Finland they are still talkng about it.

They say they might conscript women, but the female PM is against it:

https://www.thebharatexpressnews.com/defense-minister-by-2025-women-could-be-added-to-conscription-calls/

[–]Meteorboy 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't think any modern country would have the balls to conscript women to the frontline during an active war. When men die in battle, they can glorify his death and call him a hero. Once word gets around that women are being raped and killed, it would demoralize soldiers and hurt the war effort. They might say they're still discussing it, but it's more to stem the backlash about conscription being male only in most countries.

[–]furchfur[S] 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://yle.fi/a/3-12427473

Prime Minister Sanna Marin'sSocial Democratic Party (SDP). They were not generally againstconscription, but suggested that the current arrangement was workingwell.

Sanna Marin does not care about males and equality at all.

[–]obi_wan_sosig 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad reality of war, for bad women think it would get them.more power

[–]Standard_Signature39 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do you have a link to the Sanna Marin saying that? I don't see a quote from her in the link above. But I've been curious about her position on that since there's a war going on so close to their border, but I don't speak Finnish and couldn't find anything.

[–]trolsor 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

That is the case in danmark. Volunteer :) so women can get more from cake. We live in danish riviera very close to army base .. they are having nice walks near by flower fields and greenaries where worlds some of best horses breed.

[–]pfyffervonaltishofen 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So is Switzerland!

https://www.24heures.ch/le-service-militaire-pourrait-devenir-obligatoire-pour-les-femmes-333667462012

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

The "Feminists need to experience some of what Men do" bit of me is enthusiastic about this... and the "women can't match men physically and will get themselves and their comrades killed" bit of me thinks it's appalling. Some women can get close to the performance of men... but they really have to try, and that drives up their risk of injury and again, of getting their comrades killed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Coming from my time in the marines, the females always would fall out on runs and hikes and the simp Ssgts and Gunnery Sgts would tell a couple of poor fucks to take turns carrying their stuff the whole way. Our packs weren’t light either. Usually from 80lbs-100lbs and we were going about 5-10 miles. I always made sure I would not line up around any girls just so I didn’t get shafted lol

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you. And that's exactly why women shouldn't be in the military in combat roles.

[–]Imbackbitches777 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is in Denmark. It’s 99% volunteers and they have it pretty good. Great pay, free food, free travel etc. now women will have their fair share of that pie.

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

And you have just highlighted one of the huge contradictions that come up in these discussions. Men don't actually know what they want from women.

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

A top-of-the-head answer is... I'd like women to be feminine. I don't want a woman who is trying hard to be a man. There's lots of men who do a better job of being men, so I don't see why women are trying to compete with men.

I'd like to be appreciated for what I can do, especially where it involves my strength or skills.

Most men also want to be respected. Being respected reduces the risk of paternity fraud, I think.

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

In what way do women try to be men though?

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It varies in the extent, and method, so any answer will, by necessity be a generalisation. Let's start with highly successful women. They've worked hard and fought their way up the corporate ladder and are making a good salary. This requires them to be disagreeable like men are... and men don't want to come home to disagreement. It's not even as though a high salary makes a woman attractive to a man (unless he's in the few percent who are leaches!), so she attains something that men don't value in a woman, whilst making her less appealing. Are women allowed to compete for these top jobs? Of course! That shouldn't even be a question. But does it help make them attractive to normal men? Nope. As a bonus, women find it hard to be earning more than their partner and her getting a promotion can mean she looks for a better partner.

There are other things, like the craziness of women (in general) trying to do physical jobs like serving in the army. With all due respect, the only reason we have women soldiers is because the fitness standards are dropped severely to allow at least some of them to pass. In a real war, these women will get men killed.

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

What if a woman doesn't want to come home to a disagreeable man? Also, that just kind of feels like your assumptions of how that scenario would go.

As to that last point, you are proving my point again. This whole thread is men cheering at the idea of women being forced into danger and yet, if this thread was about women voluntarily serving in the army, I'm sure the comments would mirror what you said about women being unsuitable.

It's like how men simultaneously complain that women have sat at home doing nothing for centuries, but now they are joining the workforce they are taking opportunities away from men and becoming more independent.

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If men don't offer what women want, the women won't accept them.

If women don't offer what men want, the men won't accept them.

What I see of the dating world is that it's a mess with a lot of unhappy people trying to find partners, but failing for a variety of reasons. I am not interested in dating at this time.

[–]NameIs-Already-Taken 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You might find Courtney Ryan interesting to listen to, like this one on Youtube:
Why So Many Women Are Single (Men Don’t Want Relationships?)

I won't link directly to it because of the automoderator.

[–]IceUnlikely4849 7 points8 points9 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No sympathy, they want equality they got it

[–]TempleOfDooom -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There has to be some punishment for women wanting equality.

[–]UbiquitousWobbegong 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I personally think everyone should have to serve a couple years in a role that serves their community when they become an adult. That doesn't necessarily mean military, but there's no reason why we couldn't have young adults out in healthcare fields working as porters, or something along those lines.

It would give them real world experience and hopefully help create an attachment to the community around them. They would likely value low level workers more as they go on to pursue careers, and they may even stumble upon a career they find interesting during their service.

But I'm just a lowly healthcare provider who sees all the young adults who have no connection to their community, and who think all there is to life is making it big as a famous content maker on the internet. I'm sure I'm wrong, and that keeping up this modern style of social disconnection will somehow resolve, just like chronic understaffing of critical infrastructure.

[–]AaViOnBando 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I've always said if they all want equality we should either remove the mandatory military service or make it for all. I live in Greece, a country constantly threatened by its neighbor therefore there is a whole year of military service for men.

[+]Mobile-Aioli-454 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that’s about time! They’re the only Scandinavian country left who doesn’t already have it yet

[–]Fantastic_Box3257 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice

[–]Codename-18 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It shouldn't be mandatory for anyone. Even in times of war. Me I don't give a fuck about my country or protecting people who don't belon in my lineage.

[–]manneerik 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Already have this in Sweden! 🇸🇪

[–]rbrockway 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All for it. Definitely yes.

[–]threwawaythedaytoday 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Smells like EQUALITY. Wonder when the batshit brigade will come and try to manipulate this as "harming women". And "women shouldnt be forced into military service" when literally men around the world who dont get threatened with prison.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually some women's orgs have endorsed this. The "dont draft our daughters" bs is mostly an American thing.

[–]Fightdevil 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats great, every country should do this.

[–]E_BoyMan 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Straight to the mud.

[–]blaizken_420 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, this is epic

[–]Your_Agenda_Sucks 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fucking finally.

I hope they have the same standards as well.

[–]Anton_Ushanka1981 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

AktualEquality

[–]JoeyBellef 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good! With equal rights, comes equal responsibility.

[–]Garfish16 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I guess this is a movement towards equality but I would rather we live in a world where we don't force anyone to join the military.

[–]lordluke10 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We would all love to live in a world with peace, but that's just not realistic

[–]Garfish16 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And gender equality is realistic?

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Theres majority support for it as of yesterday, so I'd say it magnitudes more likely than world peace yes...

[–]Garfish16 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you not think world peace has majority support?

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you looked around you recently?

[–]63daddy 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Key point from the article:

“…enlists women in its military since 2020, while the conscription is voluntary.”

[–]lordluke10 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That sentence was about the Netherlands, not Denmark

[–]63daddy -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes. That’s regarding the Netherlands. It an example of how having both sexed serve doesn’t necessarily mean women are equally subject to conscription.

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The Danish proposal is about the "værnepligt", which is specifically conscription. Women already do serve here

[–]Imvrasos 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I see several posters complaining that Danish service is quite soft so these enlisted women will have it easy anyway. You need to see beyond the sidelines, a country that's often seen as a positive example in Europe is taking a large step towards gender equality. This will create further pressure to other countries where a military service can expose someone to a higher danger than guarding the germanodanish border.

Although to be honest I agree I don't see women taking any combat or frontline roles during our lifetimes.

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres no military on German border lol. We have a few in Greenland and a lot in the Baltic's with NATO. A lot of resources are spent patrolling the ocean and airspace towards Russia

[–]MezzaCorux 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe now women will start advocating to end the draft so people will actually start listening.

[–]Dramatic-Earth-3303 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yasssssssss

[–]Codename-18 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the debate about whether women lie or a simply solipsistic ends here with the war approaching.

Women DO understand Paretian logics very well, when it suits them, then conveniently toss them aside and use social conversations (read manipulation tactics) when it suits them.

Equality is equality, and it comes with rights and responsibilities, get ready for a tsunami of tears and dead hamsters along the way. This is a great step in the right direction. Even though no conscription would be better, I'm taking this second best option even though that means that men will die trying to protect some strangers' asses and women will be cushioned behind some desk or will serve far away from the frontline.

[–]Maxokidd 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This isn't men's rights?

[–]NekoiNemo 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's equality. Before it was something only men were subjected to, and now there are talk about making it not-gender-discriminatory. This IS men's rights.

[–]MembershipWooden6160 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not. Equality is HAVING A CHOICE that women have. Your well-being and interests being seen as important by general society. Not being seen as a tool to be used by and for that society who doesn't give a damn about you.

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And one more thing, rest assured that, should things really get tough, women would get a pass to stay away from war, while men would still be seen as cannon fodder. Real focus should be fighting for a CHOICE, regardless what you or any man would do with that choice, whether you agree with someone's choice or not.

[–]NekoiNemo 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not.

Umm... Literally is. Like, that's the literal definition of "equality".

And one more thing, rest assured that, should things really get tough, women would get a pass to stay away from war, while men would still be seen as cannon fodder. Real focus should be fighting for a CHOICE

Yes, because in that case they definitely won't just throw away the choice and also force-draft only men...

[–]MembershipWooden6160 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly why I'm saying that forcing and eventually instilling a narrative and practice of men have a choice is the way to go, NOT by a narrative of enforcing women to enlist - and especially not by giving women a choice to choose, while men being forced to enlist. I've deleted examples to make this post shorter. It its essence, it explained dynamics not only about Vietnam war, but also the lower age of conscription, child soldiers concept, blocking the borders for men, list goes on. In each of those conflicts, even as they escalated, women weren't affected by either obligatory draft OR by the practice of obligatory military service for women who are already within the forces. You had the example of Vietnam War and women within the military who still had the right to NOT be relocated to Vietnam under pretext of their safety - and they were legally not allowed to be sent on frontlines. Most recent example is definitely Ukraine, with women within the military having the right to NOT go on the eastern front and staying either home, or even moving across the border. It's really ridiculous to have their husbands as part of obligatory draft. You see, even when a woman is more qualified and better suited, she's not going to be drafted as long as you have men to draft. I really support Ukrainian side and am siding with them but am not blind to see that their politicians deliberately locked these men within the state so they have to fight, otherwise Putin's dogs will kill them on their doorstep anyways. Unlike a common narrative on this forum by clueless members, I don't support authoritarian states because, unlike the narrative in here about male heavens in Afghan, Russian or Syrian societies, I am educated enough to see that there were millions of men, not women, desperately trying to catch a flight, taking a life-risking attempts to run away. They were scared for their lives and now that the media focus is gone you can only live with your belief that they're having a great time over there, but there's a reason why they go to West and there's also a the fact that authoritarian societies have even fewer men who run the show and push all other men around while they maintain harems of women and do whatever they want.

Back to the conscription topic, obligatory vs optional:

  1. Main issue is the narrative of men being expendable and having no choice, being obliged, not about optional vs obligatory. This narrative disregards whether you're more competent, stronger, better trained. If it was about sheer strength, then at least you'd see far more girls as child soldiers among age groups 11-14 being part of child-soldiers in places where this is practiced or any time in history when child-soldiers participated as a military force.
  2. If it wasn't about male expendability, you wouldn't see the rules exempting women within the military to go on frontlines during war and women using it massively, while their husbands are enlisted. The only good thing of obligatory conscription for men is that they'll actually have some extra training when/if they ever get to be the cannon fodder. Rest is just irrelevant.
  3. The whole male expendability disregards even a strategy to utilize them well, otherwise you wouldn't see men being blocked from crossing the border and detained regardless of their competences. Some of them may be a much better asset if they could travel abroad and send the money back home than they'd be useful with a rifle in their hands for the first time or with a two-week training at best.

It's easy being a patriot and vote for someone else's obligatory draft to frontlines. It's easy pointing out to Sparta or some other shit form history and claiming that you'll go as well if need arises - but it's different thing when you really do or need to go.

[+]ERiC_693 -10 points-9 points-8 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Equality in the wrong direction imo.

It's like lowering women's life expectancy to match men's. Or lowering college entries of female students to that of male students.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Oh I’m sorry, where do you not understand that we are ALL human? Lol. Equality. As one,so as the other.

[–]ERiC_693 -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand this r/ at all...*shrugs*

What's with the downvotes, this is not equality in the correct direction. Equality in the correct direction is removing men from having to volunteer for service, it is a violation of freedom of choice. Making women do it is not the correct way to reach equality. Why should anyone be forced to do service?

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're being downvoted for brigading this sub, with an unrealistic view on how to solve gender inequality in the army

[–]ReniaTycoon 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree no one should be forced to fight a war they disagree with. So many lives with possible bright futures were robbed away from people that were drafted. Family's hearts broken possible suicides by missing a loved one forced to fight and die. I hate so much things about the government especially the vile corrupt person that invented forced military service.. lowest of lifeforms he was.. essentially equal to a parasitoid brain nematode.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Napoleon invented conscription in its modern form.

[–]Varmio_Pirat 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It was the First French Republic and the National Convention. Napoleon only did the same.

[–]ReniaTycoon 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for letting me know. I hate that guy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I get your point,but that’s never going to happen. Humans are too stupid and they love war. By default they choose the man to go when bad stuff happens. So, although I get the point that drafting and war is bad yadayadayada, at least it’s not just the men anymore. It’s now the women as well. Although as a vet I don’t want ANYONE to have to go through that bullshit.

[+]anybloodythingwilldo 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because all the people in this thread are interesting in is getting one over on women. They have no actual interest in equality- which is what they frequently accuse feminists of.

[–]Findanniin -3 points-2 points-1 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand this r/ at all.

This subreddit is bitter "MGTOW" central and has been for years.

There's decent discourse elsewhere, but just scroll through the top level comments in this thread and you'll find nothing but "hahaha this is equality" and people who have never served blanket shitting on women in the armed service.

Sadly, that's representative for this subreddit as a whole.

[–]lordluke10 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wanting more rights for men != Incel

Go troll somewhere else please

[–]ERiC_693 -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It does seem to be 1up-ism. I think type of point-scoring mentality should be left with feminists and not with MRAs.

[–]Digger_is_taken -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

That's the wrong kind of equality. How about bodily autonomy for everyone? If you can't get people to volunteer for your army, your nation state sucks.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Because sometimes its not possible to just get rid of the draft. So no, its not the wrong kind.

[+]Digger_is_taken 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is exactly what's wrong with feminism. Instead of making things better for women, they're making it worse for men. Well this doesn't make it better for men, it makes it worse for women. Maybe we'll all be denied bodily autonomy equally one day.

Denmark does not need conscripts. Conscripts do not make good soldiers.

[–]Kenhamef -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Israel has mandatory military service for everyone, although for women it’s shorter. Due to their small size and population, Israel needs conscription to keep steady and effective defense. You can excuse your way out of it if you have serious medical problems, or you live away, etc, but you’re supposed to “make up for it” with social work. In fact, when you’re in a job interview, it’s usual that they ask you what you did during your military service, and if you say you didn’t serve, even if you had a valid reason, your chances of being hired diminish immensely.

[–]DyingMisfit 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Do it for Denmark!?

[–]HendoRules 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it currently mandatory for men?

[–]lordluke10 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Able-bodied men are put in a "lottery" that selects a few unfortunate men. So yes, but there's enough volunteers that it's luckily a very small amount. But women are making up a ridiculously small amount of volunteers, which needs to change

[–]lordluke10 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So proud of my country for this. I've had to tell tonnes of people here on Reddit that Denmark is past feminism, and now i got more proof

[–]DarkHHorse 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's all political posturing. There is no country in the world that drafts women into war. The country closest to real female conscription is Israel, and even there, females are only obliged to serve in non-combat duties, like clerks, drivers, welfare workers, nurses, radio operators, etc.

Denmark is not going to conscript women, so this "news" is just virtue posturing.

[–]MembershipWooden6160 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OP and so many commenters are missing the point. I really don't care whether women are or aren't part of the military. It's something they fight for themselves and yes, they have the means and are part of the system itself so they can vote for, or against, making this mandatory or not. Guess what, regardless what they vote, it's your regular guy who's going to bear the brunt if military is ever called into real war against a formidable foe. Not the politicians who decide, or their kids. OR women. So I am really not afraid about women and their choices, especially if/when things get really tough.

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So, instead of focusing on "equalizing" something you definitely won't be equal with (especially in case if real war breaks out), your main focus should be on having a choice for yourself and other men. That's what MRM is and should be, having a choice to decide for yourself. Feminism claims to be just that, but it's solely about women and their choices - while offloading it upon society. The best way to offload it back from society upon women is if men are relieved of the burden and if they have a say and a choice regarding issues that they are automatically burdened with. (Obligatory) Military draft is just one of these men's issues. Remember that word. CHOICE.

[–]LegendaryEmu1 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well that would be equality.

[–]Skrivarin 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably because the higher ranking males in the danish military want some new fresh meat to sexually assault. Danish men are pervert like that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

women should not be in combat roles. i oppose this.

[–]troll_for_hire 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is fake news. The title should be

Voluntary military service for Danish women

The proposal is to allow women to voluntarily sign up for the same kind of military service that is mandatory for men. Source in Danish

[–]candice_opera -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why just don't defund the army?

[–]EVIC_13 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we actually want to try and keep our lands in case of a war

[–]Difficult_Ad_3234 -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If it's good for the goose it's good for the gander guaranteed!♂️✈️

[–]UnconventionalXY -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just being mandatory for both is a step in the right direction for equality: if women are so against it afterwards, then its already been accepted that discrimination is unacceptable and so whatever women win, so too must men as the precedent has already been set.

Doesn't matter if women get less dangerous positions because if they are opposed to mandatory service they will find a way around it anyway like getting pregnant which is not open to men.

I think men have to accept that women will always be protected one way or another, but it doesn't stop men choosing to contribute the bare minimum to society that treats them as disposable. A tissue is not required to save the world or protect women.

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