Conservative commentator Charlie Kirk says men should come last when it comes to finances.

Greedy-Ambition6551 · 2024-12-23T16:17:45+00:00

Not one single political party cares about men and our issues. Politics in general is toxic and full of misandry. The hate for men is unreal

alter_furz · 2024-12-23T16:02:56+00:00

"hey i was considering marrying you. what are you offering?"

"your job will be to come last"

"nah I'm fine"

63daddy · 2024-12-23T17:18:21+00:00

Apparently hypergamy and men being seen as providers hasn’t magically gone away.

She’s far from the only one who views men as providers: it’s an overall societal view.

drmode2000 · 2024-12-23T16:18:29+00:00

Both parties don’t care about Men, only their donations.

LuckyTwoSeven · 2024-12-23T19:23:15+00:00

All you need to know is it’s okay for women to leave new borns no questions asked at fire houses, churches, hospitals, and others places.

If a man says he doesn’t want to be a father oh you’re a dead beat, oh you’re a bum, oh you’re not a real man. Pay up butter cup! If you don’t you will be jailed based on you not sending a child you do not want money every single month for 18 years plus.

But again women can abort no questions asked. Give a kid up for adoption. Leave a new born at certain locations as I stated above without anyone blinking an eye. Equal rights in America are a joke. Men wanting theirs get told to kick rocks.

StopManaCheating · 2024-12-23T19:18:43+00:00

Conservatives are not our friends and never have been. We are cattle to them.

JustAnotherBoomer · 2024-12-23T21:20:04+00:00

My ex-wife left me and stated I am not a "good provider." At the time, I did not know what to say. 45 years later, she 71, divorced a second time, and living in an apartment. She is retired and has about 10k in savings-- according to online source. I, too, am retired, live in a house with a paid mortgage, and have 800k in savings. So she was wrong. I am a good provider when I only provide for myself. -

throwaway44444455 · 2024-12-23T16:47:44+00:00

Both sides hate men and view us as a lower class of human. They just use different rhetoric to explain it.

For leftists it often goes something like:

“Destroy the patriarchy! The future is female! #KAM!”

It’s very direct about their hatred of men.

Whereas for the right it goes something like:

“It’s your duty as a man to sacrifice everything for a woman. Only men should get drafted because it’s your job as a man to die for your country and defend your women at home. If you refuse then you’re not a real man and deserve execution.”

”If a woman is assaulting you, you cannot defend yourself, because boys don’t hit girls.”

”If you’re not the breadwinner of the house then you’re not a real man. Your job as a man is to provide and protect and that’s it.”

It’s very dehumanizing and promotes the idea that men are nothing but sacrificial worker bees, who exist for nothing but to work and die for the matriarchy. It’s the typical simp/whiteknight mentality, it elevates women as queens and men as their servants.

Neither sides like you. Neither of them see you as human. They could care less about you if you died tomorrow.

WV8VW · 2024-12-23T16:39:59+00:00

This is what happens when the majority of voters are women.

New-Distribution6033 · 2024-12-23T16:47:00+00:00

Again, for the guys in back, conservative "traditionalism" is bluepill

Legitimate_Fan_4977 · 2024-12-23T19:10:14+00:00

You know what comes last for me? Women.

Dr_Decadeology69420 · 2024-12-23T17:22:09+00:00

conservatism has always been gynocentric

MarianaTrencher · 2024-12-23T19:08:59+00:00

To be fair, if your finances aren’t good, you SHOULDN’T be buying frivolous things like video games. Or make up. Or Starbucks. Or anything you don’t legitimately NEED.

If your finances are fine? Do what you want to the level of comfort you can handle.

In my home? I make 100% of the income. I give the girlfriend a monthly allowance. Whatever she spends that money on, is whatever she wants. If she saves ever penny? Cool. If she spends it all on make up and clothes? Also cool. It’s 100% her choice.

I myself? I spend maybe $100-200 a month on personal “stuff.” Like eating out alone (when we eat out together, I still pay the bills but it isn’t part of our allowances) and video games.

Saying “men come last” is stupid, since without us, in some households, there would be no income at all.

So, she can get fucked.

Nidd1075 · 2024-12-23T20:32:31+00:00

Conservatives aren't actually on the men's side? who would've thought!

CawlinAlcarz · 2024-12-23T17:58:49+00:00

You need to bear in mind that what he's talking about here is a so-called "tradcon" household, where the wife is a SAHM and the husband is the only one working outside the home to provide financial resources. The giveaway is when he says to men that "...you as THE provider...". This is him referring to that sort of arrangement. To be fair, he's correct. If you are the sole breadwinner in a household, you had better not be spending a dime on recreational shit for yourself (or anyone else in your family) until your family is properly housed, fed, and clothed. Whether or not you want to be a part of such a household is up to you, but if you DO accept that sort of household and the role of sole financial provider in it, then you should live by that rule.

I'd bet that if you asked Kirk if the same would apply if the husband was the SAHF and the wife was the only one who provided financial resources, he would say that it did, though I suspect that he does not agree with that sort of arrangement.

keine257 · 2024-12-24T05:52:30+00:00

The left hates man the right wants men to sacrifice themselves to save society, whilst woman can do as they please.

WhereProgressIsMade · 2024-12-23T23:05:45+00:00

You need to understand the Biblical role of the father.

He then proceeds to make up a bunch of stuff it never says...

It does say "love your wife as yourself." Not more than yourself. it's a balance, but I can't remember ever hearing a sermon about balance. As a kid, my church told us to read our Bible's. I actually did and found out all kinds of things they conveniently left out.

Charlie Kirk is probably thinking of the passage that says husbands should sacrifice for their wives, but like almost everyone else leaves out that it's only for the purpose of correcting her. E.g. your relationship might take a hit (the sacrifice) if you have to get her to stop wasting money on frivolous stuff while the kids go hungry.

Sacrificing so she can be more selfish is the opposite of this principal. It's just enabling.

Even the idea of men being the provider is only loosely endorsed by the Bible. A read of Proverbs 31 and it's apparent a good woman is working her butt off and contributing a lot to providing for the family.

Pulp_Ficti0n · 2024-12-23T16:51:45+00:00

I don't think the worst example of a male (Kirk) should be the messenger for championing men's rights. Guy looks like the poster child for fetal alcohol syndrome.

eternal_kvitka1817 · 2024-12-23T16:13:19+00:00

Conservatives are champions in misandry.

Far-Salt-6946 · 2024-12-23T17:38:42+00:00

What do you expect? Neither side cares about men's issues. Historically the right hasn't been completely misandrist; they've moreso been completely indifferent towards men's issues but that in no way makes them an ally.

combs1945a · 2024-12-23T19:03:40+00:00

If anything men do come last, that is for sure. Mine are 95% of taxpayers. We pay roughly 60% of our income and state and federal income tax tax. Not to mention an additional 25% that income in family court tax. E.g. alimony, child support, constant legal motions.

According to the CDC, you have a 12% chance remaining in a marriage past 10 years. Would you be an airline pilot if you had a 12% chance of survival in 10 years and your copilot deliberately crashes the pant plane to rob you? Then you get to live on 20% of your actual salary.

I can't tell you how many doctors and pilots that I see that earn 300K a year and their net take-home pay is 3K a month after taxes alimony and child support.

xxTheMagicBulleT · 2024-12-23T19:08:10+00:00

Ow wonder why less and less people want to have relationships or want to start a family. Ow I wonder why. If the world says fuck your feeling you don't matter. Bet that makes a lot of men be like ow what a great idea to take part in.

If men don't matter. Don't expect that men in time put women on high regards.

When you treat people a type of way good or bad know that that treatment in time will cut both ways.

Why if you want more better treatment and more value. You should put high standards to both side.

If women have low standards that they are supposed to give. Men have no reason or drive to put more effort in.

If it was the other way around women would also not accept that but yet expect men to just fall over and expect bare crumbs on the floor.

Honestly never gonna happen sure some will but most men will never accept that.

IamAwesome-er · 2024-12-23T21:13:50+00:00

All these ultra conservative talking heads are ultra annoying. I would love to hear their wives deepest thoughts....would be interesting to find out how miserable they are.

Captaincorect · 2024-12-24T01:00:06+00:00

Not Conservative thing but a Christian thing.

Ephesians 5:25-29:

"Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church…"

SlowLearnerGuy · 2024-12-24T06:55:02+00:00

He's correct. We are a 4 kid family running on one income and I never spend money on frivolous crap unless I know everything else is taken care of. It's called common sense. Any other way and sooner or later your kids are gonna go hungry.

elebrin · 2024-12-23T17:17:40+00:00

Incorrect.

Morally, we are all responsible for each other, individually. I am responsible for my wife in the same way she is responsible for me. I am responsible for my mother in law in the same way that my wife is for my sister. That’s how family works.

Additionally, I hate to break it to him, but unless I am in a good place mentally and physically I can't take care of others. I need downtime, recreation, art, and joy in my life. Without that, I cannot provide for others. More realistically, without those things there will be no others for me to provide for because if I am not given some space for me to have some of the things that I want, I am not a very pleasant person to be around. Ultimately, the only person looking after MY hopes and dreams is ME. The only person who can eke out a tiny bit of free time for me is... well, me. I'm not asking for six hours of video games a day where nobody is allowed to talk to me, I want an hour or two a week for my hobbies, most of which are creative in nature.

Ok_Night_7767 · 2024-12-23T19:19:44+00:00

That's the advice you get from someone quoting doctrine without adjusting it for the very different circumstances that currently prevail. What does that same source say about the woman's role? Charlie, did you tailor your message to appeal to just one gender?

I am not religious and someone spouting that kind of unthinking rhetoric certainly wouldn't motivate me to subscribe to his beliefs.

nipchin · 2024-12-24T00:47:07+00:00

Charlie Kirk? More like Charlie Jerk

WeEatBabies · 2024-12-23T17:56:39+00:00

And yet, everytime I comment here that no parties care for men and every election I strike my vote in protest, you guys downvote me ;)

HollowHusk1 · 2024-12-24T02:27:38+00:00

Honestly, if western women weren’t complete filth and actually contributed to society I’d have no problem being a provider

OhFuuuuuuuuuuuudge · 2024-12-23T20:39:51+00:00

If your signing up for that Trad life than 100%. It’s 2024, you don’t have to do it that way anymore, but if you want a stay at home Barbie and 4 kids maybe you should probably do things the old school way. Otherwise Double Income No Kids sounds pretty fucking sweet.

Vegetable_Ad1732 · 2024-12-23T22:36:17+00:00

Yup, true conservatives are "old fashioned". But a lot of comments here are relating this to Republicans. And it does hold for many Republicans, but far from all of them. As the Democrats have gone ever farther Left, the Reps have started to get people from the center. Heck, technically I'm a Republican, but I was not one until about 2016, when I was close to 60. Fact is I'm not a conservative; I'm a Populist. Whereas you cannot be a Leftist without advocating Wokeism, you can oppose the Left and not be a conservative.

The fact is, it has nothing to do with the political parties, it's the Establishment vs Populists. And, yes, some Republicans are in the Establishment, but not all of them. Whereas the Democrats are neck deep up the Establishment's butt. Mostly because they purge anyone who opposes Wokeism. Anyone who opposes them is a racist, bigot, misogynist, etc.

The key is to support Populism folks. And while not all Republicans are cool, among politicians at least, all of the Populists are Republicans.

manicmonkeys · 2024-12-23T20:11:25+00:00

Just looked at the article, and he clearly was talking about having priorities in order. Aka, don't waste money on frivolous stuff if you don't have your finances in a good place. That's a great rule of thumb.

The_0bserver · 2024-12-23T19:20:11+00:00

How about taxes by the government as well?

madjackmagee · 2024-12-24T12:26:38+00:00

Full context of the quote helps. He is saying that you need to take care of your responsibilities before you was the money on non-essentials. That a selfish mentality ruins a healthy relationship. I understand that pain can drive us to be blind. We have a duty to handle these things better, or else we continue to look like a joke, or worse.

T-72B3OBR2023 · 2024-12-24T22:19:59+00:00

If you want men to accept their traditional role as breadwinners and protectors, fine, as long as the women accept their traditional roles. That means a clean house, cared for children, warm dinner on the table, fresh laundry and ironed shirts and loyalty and intimacy.

PERIOD.

There is no reality where you demand a traditonal man while the wife lives as a modern day skank.

Vijpaaj · 2024-12-25T00:56:10+00:00

It's like the elites telling us we have enough money already.

flashliberty5467 · 2024-12-24T00:05:06+00:00

How are men supposed to be able to be “providers” when employers screw people over and lots of men are in low income jobs

Due to capitalism the whole men as providers narrative is breaking due to employers screwing over their workers

It’s not so much a lack of desire so much as it is being completely incapable of serving this role due to not making enough money for a multitude of reasons such as having disabilities facing injuries that make you unable to work

It’s more men facing an unrealistic expectation of being the “provider” when working in a capitalist economy makes this task virtually impossible

Boss4life12 · 2024-12-23T22:59:59+00:00

I mean he has a point.

Your family is struggling with finances, defitnetly dont spend money on games.

Alternative-Dream-61 · 2024-12-23T16:19:50+00:00

I mean I agree with him on that if you're talking about traditional relationships. I don't see it as a men's rights issue, I see it as a leadership issue. Leaders eat last. If you expect to be the "leader" of a relationship and the "provisioner" in a traditional relationship you should be making sure everyone else is provided for first.

If you aren't looking for a traditional relationship and don't want the burden and responsibility of being the leader and provider then don't don't worry about it. Find someone willing to split financial burden and keep your own separate bank accounts (so you can each have your own spending money and contribute to a joint expense fund).

Planimation4life · 2024-12-23T18:40:44+00:00

What his trying to say is a man should become a provide and protect and reach for that goal

DalienW · 2024-12-23T17:20:16+00:00

In the topic that he's quoted in I agree with what he said, if you're the provider you don't spend money on games or leisure until the family is provided for. I don't see how that's problematic? This sounds more like a political soundbite.

Title	Conservative commentator Charlie Kirk says men should come last when it comes to finances.
Author	JannTosh50
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Date	December 23, 2024 3:56 PM UTC (1 year ago)
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