Let me get this straight

Potato-with-guns · 2022-03-23T04:54:34+00:00

Yep that pretty much sums it up

buried_alive0 · 2022-03-23T06:03:02+00:00

Feminism is based on the idea that the top 1% of men (CEOs, politicians, presidents…) are somehow representative of the remaining 99% of us plebeians. In reality those very few elite men treat us even worse than they do most women. They send us to war and tell us to man up and get over it when the bootstraps they very kindly provided us wear out.

Neat_Lingonberry8010 · 2022-03-23T06:12:00+00:00

Men are expected to run towards danger. Men are expected to defend nations. Men are expected to sacrifice themselves to ensure the safety of women and children. Any hesitation to do so will get you branded a coward. Remember when the barbarians are at the gate, men appear a lot less toxic.

pacsatonifil · 2022-03-23T11:46:44+00:00

Yes that’s how it is and if we say anything we must be incels or hate women even if married

krynnotaur · 2022-03-23T06:45:12+00:00

"Toxic masculinity" is Orwellian newspeak for penis envy.

phishyfingers · 2022-03-23T05:57:23+00:00

We are only as strong as our weakest link...

Feminism has managed to weaken men to the breaking point.

What man in their right mind would sacrifice their lives to keep the current shit show we've currently got going on.

A situation where women are THE most privileged people in western society and still insist they are oppressed and all men are potential rapists.

Personally I would look the other way if an invading army came marching in that has a strong male legacy.

I would be more than happy to make ammo and other munitions for the women to go to the front and fend off the invasion. Meanwhile, I'll happily go back home after a days work in the factories knowing our strong, brave women, who are presumably equal to the men invading us, are keeping me and the other menfolk safe from those potential invading rapists.

Seems like women have much more to lose in this day and age than men do, so let them fight to hang onto those privileges.

delocalelectron · 2022-03-23T07:49:17+00:00

It's the world which we built, unfortunately, by allowing ourselves to be duped.

LittleDragonMaiden · 2022-03-23T05:43:33+00:00

Just do what’s best for you. Society isn’t always going to advocate for your best interests.

StingRayFins · 2022-03-24T03:26:20+00:00

Men do 95% of the saving and protecting: police, soldiers, firefighters, guards, security, etc. Some men are bad, "omg all men are evil kill all men!"

Men make more, "omg misogynistic women are oppressed"

Women make more money, "lack of viable rich men are hurting women with dating"

Like seriously

B1TCHES41NTSH1T · 2022-03-23T06:55:33+00:00

Damn.

needs_grammarly · 2022-03-23T10:19:54+00:00

welcome

Glittering-Falcon744 · 2022-03-23T15:28:47+00:00

I am just waiting for the day the feminist empire collapses and feminist get the same treatment they gave to men years ago

modernmanadvicecom · 2022-03-23T20:45:46+00:00

I said this in another forum, maybe this one can't remember, but masculinity is often ridiculed in times of peace and praised in times of war. And even in times of war, masculinity is seen as the root cause of such events. Without playing the victim card here, because that is not a trait men carry or should carry, but masculinity simply put is a scapegoat no matter the circumstance.

All we can do is be men of strength, courage, honor, and mastery, let the pieces of the puzzle fall into place in due time.

ConsciousBox2029 · 2022-03-23T22:58:01+00:00

You just described 97% of my marriage.

2022-03-24T00:53:03+00:00

Indeed. Welcome to the true sexism.

Men will rise again, don't worry. Check out the political situation in South Korea - even their politicians have U-turned on feminism, it's wonderful.

Rqdii · 2022-03-23T18:37:16+00:00

Let’s just clear up this imaginary pay-gap. There is not one single employer who pays a man more than a woman doing the same job. That has been illegal since 1963. It is true that men on the whole get paid more than women on the whole. The commonly regurgitated statistic for this is that women are paid 21% less than men. This may well be true, but it doesn’t take into account the disparity of hours worked by men and by women. On average women work 7.8 hours per day where men, work on average 8.2 hours per day. Therefore, the hours worked by men and by women accounts for 5% of the difference. A study conducted by The Guardian Newspaper in 2016 clearly shows that more women graduate from university than men, but fewer of these women apply for graduate jobs than the men. Also, female graduates who do apply for graduate jobs are far more likely to secure employment than men.
So let’s just recap. more women are graduating than men, but more of those men apply for graduate jobs meaning that a portion of those graduate women are applying for lower paid jobs and are working fewer hours once employed. When all the relevant statistics are taken into account, we can see the real reason for the pay-gap and it has nothing to do with gender inequality. Rather gender equality of choice.
To narrow the pay-gap further, we would have to take away a portion of women’s freedom of choice and demand they work longer hours in the jobs they are choosing not apply for.
Feminists complaining about the “Gender pay-gap” want to take away women’s freedom of choice. Modern feminism centres on equality of outcome and ignores the equality of opportunity.
Now let’s look at some of the social issues affecting men.
94% of work place deaths are of men. (This indicates that the jobs men work are more dangerous, on average, than those worked by women)
99.9% of deaths due to war are of men.
75% of suicides are men.
76% of murders are of men.
45% of domestic abuse victims are men (which we rarely to never hear about)
Men serve 63% more prison time than women for the same crimes.
71% of Homeless people are men.
There is also:
Paternal inequality.
Lower life expectancy for men.
Child custody inequality.
Child Support inequality.
False Rape Allegations going unpunished.
Criminal Court Bias.
Social misandry in education and the media.
Boys falling drastically behind in education (mainstream education is tailored for females).
Alcoholism affects twice as many men as women.
Infant Genital Mutilation affects 23% of men and 5% of women worldwide, yet FGM gains much more exposure.
Men have little to no say in regards to reproductive and family planning issues.
There is a huge lack of resources and compassion to male victims of domestic violence.
Prostate cancer has higher mortality rates than breast cancer with a vast disparity of exposure.
It's worth taking note of these to gain a balanced view, and not form opinions from what the majority of the media tells you to think.
Feminism isn’t about gender equality. That movement already exists. It’s called ‘Egalitarianism’.
Not every profession has been male dominated.
1. Child care services
94% female
2. Home health care services
89% female
3. Veterinary services
80.7% female
4. Social services
84.8% female
5. Educational services
75.4% female in elementary and secondary schools
6. Libraries and archivists
76.5% female
7. Accountants
59% female
8. Legal services
54% female
9. Employment services
53% female
10. Leisure and hospitality
51% female
There are many professions dominated by men for which the inequality goes unnoticed by feminists.
Building and construction
Mechanics
Sports
Bathroom attendants
Military personnel
Logging workers
Fishers
Aircraft pilots and flight engineers
Roofers
Refuse collectors
Iron and Steel workers
Coal miners
Truck drivers
Farmers
Landscape workers
Power line installers & repairers
Maintenance workers
Police officers
Fire Fighters
Sewage workers

A lot of this info I found from a YouTube video and the comments

Cuddle_lover21 · 2022-03-23T21:59:55+00:00

Think about ukranians.

19yo boys stay and die for their country because it's their duty...

19yo girl, single with no children in charge? That's ok sweetie, you can runaway, go have a hot girl summer...

Of course, some women decided to stay and stand still against the invaders, but they were volunteers. Men had no choice.

TitanicPat · 2022-03-24T16:38:21+00:00

Ask a feminist how wide is the wage gap.

Inform them that men work more hours.

Wait for the feminist to claim that information is already taken into account.

Ask them how wide the wage gap was BEFORE taking working hours into account.

Walk away from a pointless conversation with an ideology that faces no requirement to be correct.

GoelandAnonyme · 2022-03-23T12:44:17+00:00

It makes more sense if you look at it through class struggle where gender essentialism is already present.

CawlinAlcarz · 2022-03-23T15:45:46+00:00

The goal is destabilization.

The world needs the labor and actions of men, not simply for procreation and ensuring the survival of the species, but for the very tangible things that we do - often times the worst, dirtiest, most dangerous, thankless jobs.

The "problem" as the real power brokers see it is that in more or less "free" societies, it is the labors and efforts of these me which quite literally make the world go around, AND that these men tend to act with very similar interests which do not tend to serve the power brokers, and instead, serve themselves. Human nature, right? The power brokers cannot forcibly TAKE this power from us, nor are we going to willingly cede it to them...

The social goal, therefore, is to find a way to keep these men working and laboring, while the ruling elite continue to reap the lion's share of the fruits of those labors, while ALSO brainwashing the men into accepting it. The attack is not a democratic one, but a social one. It is well orchestrated and occurring through the use of global media, aided by big tech as the information brokers, and government to disenfranchise men in this group as much as possible without risking armed revolt.

jophuster · 2022-03-24T03:13:55+00:00

Stop catering. Be a “toxic male” promote the things that feminism wants to destroy. I’m really enjoying telling people how great polygyny is. Be the guy who stands firm on his masculinity and is unrepentant in being a straight man. That being said. Laugh at the beta males and defend other alphas when they are right. Don’t defend dickheads.

DanzigMisfit · 2022-03-24T04:10:15+00:00

Feminism is just about parachuting useless women into plum roles on boards or getting them selected for safe government seats. In Australia we have female parliamentarians complaining about not enough women in government. It's like they forget the public is who votes for who represents us. If they put up female candidates worth voting for, then maybe that would change.

rosewiththornzzz · 2022-03-23T21:36:22+00:00

It’s such a weird concept to me that my fiancé didn’t grow up seeing sexism in his country. Sure there are the occasional sexists and racists where he’s from, but for the most part it isn’t a thing where he’s from. I grew up with in my immediate community seeing a lot of sexism against women. And upon my introduction to the internet I came across a lot of sexism against men. So I grew up constantly seeing sexism and racism where my fiancé didn’t have that kind of exposure. He knows typical societal standards of both men and women and that’s all he was really exposed to in terms of sexism. It’s very confusing for me since america is so full of it from coast to coast

veedub447 · 2022-03-23T18:53:48+00:00

Men in all societies do the dangerous, dirty and difficult jobs and suffer over 90% of on the job fatalities. I have never seen feminists argue women should get thier on the job deaths up to 50%,

Tang_of_pussy · 2022-03-23T16:57:06+00:00

Oh wait till this guy finds out what selective service is

Academic-Mud-1658 · 2022-03-23T22:50:37+00:00

Roles not rolls. Rolls are, usually, found in breadbaskets.

Can_be_a_hero_again · 2022-03-23T11:35:36+00:00

Experienced the oposite as a woman. Rly disappointing since I always had 50/50 male and female friends.

But what was done to me was due males who pretend to be victims. So sad, they say the same but in reality they got way more help than me. I always thought it was the other way around, but it wasn‘t in my case.

herp225577 · 2022-03-23T15:58:46+00:00

Ding Ding Ding Ding Ding

staples93 · 2022-03-24T00:19:11+00:00

Life's unfair, deal with it or do something about it

GoelandAnonyme · 2022-03-23T12:45:58+00:00

We will be victims of violent crimes, homelessness, prison etc but if we complain we are shut down with “that’s a problem started by males”

Well, no. The left actually cares abput homeless people and the material conditions that lead to crime.

Grittyneedlestabber · 2022-03-24T01:00:16+00:00

Women aren't the enemy, it's rich people controlling women because of the money they bring in.

Women spend more and purchase with emotion, men on the other hand spend logically (spend less).

Women will purchase makeup, clothing (consecutively more than men), food (they are fatter too) expensive electronic devices they have no need for or know how to use to its potential. They will purchase a fancy car and make tons of money, want a man, but do not want to share their wealth with that man.

Women operate on conditions and men operate with principle.

Why do you think the world is upside down?

The western world used to operate according to mens logic but now it is operated by women and you can tell this by how facts are now optional and nothing is their fault, even if they did something bad.

You need to operate logically and be prepared for bullshit thrown at you and just stand fast and throw it back.

That is how I operate.

zoobiezoob · 2022-03-23T18:53:39+00:00

Take up the heaviest load you can bear and carry it. Don’t listen to the woke, we do not need more weak men.

Commercial-Switch-23 · 2022-03-23T09:57:24+00:00

Also teaching is a hugely female dominated career but it’s awfully underpaid

Butt_Lady · 2022-03-23T20:33:37+00:00

Ho ho ho, lots to unpack here

So men are expected to fill in the worst jobs, the lowest paying ones etc but we are slandered for “wage gap”

If this expectation comes from anywhere, maybe look at the fact that most women weren't allowed to work a mere century ago. CHILDREN were working, but not women. Maybe if we all had worked all this time, things would be different?

Men are called toxic and agressive but when crisis calls we are the first to respond without having a say either

Do you mean war? War that men start to send other men to die for them?

We are expected to fulfill “masculine” rolls but at the same time we are demonized for “patriarchy” and “toxic masculinity”

Again. I don't think the expectation only comes from women. Women have been conditionned to depend on men because they weren't allowed to work, vote or own property so when a whole gender takes over most responsibilities while forbidding half of the population to participate in economic and politic life, you can say that there might be a reason why patriarchy is looked at so badly. Why shouldn't it be? It just recently stopped enslaving women.

We will be victims of violent crimes, homelessness, prison etc but if we complain we are shut down with “that’s a problem started by males”

I mean... The majority of violence and crime is man on man. Doesn't mean it's not awful and something that has to stop. You can absolutely complain, but for once this has nothing to do with blue haired feminists "taking over". This has always been a problem and sure, let us help you help yourself, if that makes sense. But don't blame it on us wanting to set light on things that have been unfair for us.

Now you can down vote me all you want. If you really believe in dialogue and understanding each other's points of view, I'd love to read your comments. If you're all set on trying to avoid understanding anything about women, by all means down vote and go back to your occupations

Commercial-Switch-23 · 2022-03-23T09:56:40+00:00

The issue with toxic masculinity is why most people say that men don’t need to be super masculine. Is it not other men that criticise guys for wearing skirts or anything feminine the most?

rooiraaf · 2022-03-23T08:24:30+00:00

Dude, you sound like a victim. You sound like those women complaining about men and how unfair society is. Just go and read /r/Askwomen, and see how you feel afterwards. It seems like people on reddit...are quite toxic.

And what you mentioned, all of these things are true. And I support that we advocate for men's rights - but please we should not lose sight of the issues that women face, because they exist, and they different.

"Expected for doing roles but also criticized for it" - Women get this kind of thing also. It's gender blind.

Legatti · 2022-03-23T17:12:58+00:00

Men are just as much the victims of the patriarchy as women are. It’s the social norms and the draft and the toxic masculinity (you’re probably using that word incorrectly!). The patriarchy is the reason the draft is men only, women are viewed as weak and in need of protecting. The patriarchy is the reason toxic masculinity exists, there’s the social pressure or learned behavior to exert your masculinity over others.

Feminists don’t hate men as a whole. You may find some that do, but outliers exist.

All feminism wants to do is remove the association the word “woman has” with what you associate it with.

mikeman7918 · 2022-03-23T05:05:40+00:00

Men are called toxic

You do know what toxic masculinity means, right? It's not "the very state of being a man is toxic", it describes a very specific thing that men can fall into or overcome.

Just want to be clear about that.

Mindless_Finance · 2022-03-23T14:30:38+00:00

Sales is the worst part

DirtyPartyMan · 2022-03-23T15:17:16+00:00

A Cherry Picked one guided by emotion-based thought and reaction.

Opening-Desk · 2022-03-23T18:08:38+00:00

Hence why I don't bother with society any more

user-and-abuser · 2022-03-23T18:57:25+00:00

The world is now engaged in fantasy thinking

ShitFauxBrains · 2022-03-23T19:38:07+00:00

yes. and it makes me sick.

pennywise1235 · 2022-03-23T23:45:39+00:00

Yes, so best you can do is tap out and go your own way. If that means going monk mode, then so be it. Just be ok with yourself and the female part of the equation will take care of itself.

xTheVyrusx · 2022-03-24T07:10:07+00:00

You’re also forgetting a man who sticks to himself and wants nothing to do with women or hell people in general he’s hung out to dry by women for not honoring them in a dire situation. Men have white knighted and been killed for helping women they don’t even know.

Bron_3 · 2022-03-24T11:50:15+00:00

Let's pretend the wage gap is entirely true, we get 20 cents more per hour. That's $1.60 per day more before tax. The higher risk jobs, the higher general risk of death, for $1.60 per day. $584 per year. Is your life really worth so little? Less than a fucking car payment?

Title	Let me get this straight
Author	tallalgerian
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Comments	231
Date	March 23, 2022 4:33 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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