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White man replaced by 2 women wins $10,000,000 discrimination suit. Employer insists they'd rather go broke than end woke.

andejoh

October 27, 2021
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Title White man replaced by 2 women wins $10,000,000 discrimination suit. Employer insists they'd rather go broke than end woke.
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andejoh

Upvotes 1451
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Date October 27, 2021 4:11 PM UTC
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Comments

[–]KyleButler77 362 points363 points364 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

There is no “reverse discrimination” there is discrimination. Similarly there is no “reverse racism” There is just plain racism. If someone is being mistreated because of the color of his skin that person is a victim of racism. Color if skin does not matter

[–]CrowMagpie 66 points67 points68 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If someone is being mistreated because of the color of his skin that person is a victim of racism. Color of skin does not matter

As I like to put it, 'discrimination doesn't discriminate'.

[–]Mythandros 40 points41 points42 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Saying "reverse" in front of words like "sexism" and "racism" is an extremely common feminist tactic to normalize things like sexism and racism against women but give the appearance that these are not the same thing when men are victims.

This is literally evil.

[–]InterestingWave0 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

damn right

[–]well-ok-then 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If he didn’t lose anything but the 2 women were given huge bonuses for being female it would still be plain old discrimination. But the reverse tag make a little more sense.

[–]TrilIias 531 points532 points533 points 4 years ago (56 children) | Copy Link

Excuse me?

"Reverse discrimination?"

[–]Ahielia 207 points208 points209 points 4 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link

Just like how they like to call racism against whites "reverse racism". It's not "reverse", though what can you expect from media.

[–]chuuuch 15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Now they got rid of that. You simply can’t be racist against whites now

[+]4411WH07RY -154 points-153 points-152 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link

This is wrong. Reverse racism is what we used to call benevolent racism.

[–]Ahielia 126 points127 points128 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Still racism.

[+]4411WH07RY -68 points-67 points-66 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but the point was that it was a different expression. It was confusing and so we started saying benevolent racism.

Somewhere in the last ten years or so people got the idea that reverse racism means racism against white people, probably because it was the origin of discriminatory hiring practices against white candidates.

[–]Moderamus 48 points49 points50 points 4 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link

definition of racism:

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by anindividual, community, or institution against a person or people on thebasis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group,typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

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theres literally nothing confusing about that. apparently you guys are getting so confused youre starting to invent new terms for words that already exist

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what, if i now take a shit in a colored toilet instead of a white one, is it now taking a reverse shit? no, its still "takin a fucking shit" because the action is still the same

also... benevolent racism? the fuck? its still racism. if i start to give out food, but only to black people, thats still racist even tho it was benevolent. Its not only racist against the white people not getting food, its also racist for black people GETTING food (if its based on their skin color obviously)

you cant differentiate between white and black people or ANY other race when talking about racism. THATS RACIST FFS

[+]4411WH07RY -53 points-52 points-51 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's incredible that you don't seem to understand how adjectives work, so I'm not even going to begin to try to describe why gathering more specific data about something would be important to understanding.

[–]Moderamus 32 points33 points34 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I'm not perfect, but apparently you don't seem to understand that you native/better speakers aren't alone on reddit. adjectives are subject to change depending with which language is being used. Grammar is different in every language so it's just normal for a non native English speaker to make grammar mistakes

What you also seem to not understand is that being bad at another language isn't proof of me being to stupid to understand simple logic and data

It doesn't change the fact that my argument is still correct

But pls go on and try to explain to everyone what you're talking about

[+]4411WH07RY -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's pretty plain what I'm talking about. Just because a big group of you idiots get butthurt and downvote me doesn't mean shit lol.

[–]Moderamus 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Still waiting for your explanation

[+]toterengel367 -29 points-28 points-27 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

It’s almost as if language evolves in order to quickly explain more nuanced ideas that develop over time. It’s not hot chocolate, it’s just chocolate. It’s not chocolate milk, it’s milk. They’re night halogen headlights, they’re headlights. She’s not a chemistry teacher, she’s a teacher. It’s not a puggle, it’s a pug and beagle mix. You get the idea. I study linguistics and this issue drives me nuts, I don’t understand why people absolutely refuse to acknowledge the fact that language does in fact evolve.

[–]pm_me_pedreiras 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

There is more than merely "adaptations" here.

Yes, it is not chocolate milk, it is a mix of chocolate and milk (I suppose).

On the other hand, "reverse racism" is not employed as a particular case of racism, but as a rhetoric device to diminish the true importance of the case

Indeed, I remember a case when a woman judge refused to acknowledge a case of racism because "there is no such a thing as reverse racism".

And further, there is nothing to distinguish between "traditional" racism and "reverse" racism. Both are morally wrong and should be equally punished by the law.

[+]toterengel367 -17 points-16 points-15 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And reverse racism in our case here is benevolence mixed with racism. It doesn’t diminish anything, it immediately communicates that somebody isn’t a hateful scumbag and is instead just being stupid and ignorant, and important distinction.

[–]threequartersbaked 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Of course language evolves. It evolves by use; by people choosing to use words and terms that more accurately convey their intent to the listener. It does not evolve by coersion or by someone arbitratily deciding that a new term is now correct and the one everyone is used to is now incorrect.

Language is also used politically and one has to distinguish between organic evolution of language and politically motivated reshaping of language.

[+]toterengel367 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yeah you clearly understand and agree with what I said, but decided to disagree anyway. Regardless, rejecting the word instead of understanding that it is a nuanced term that is derived from another word is simply willful ignorance. Whether you like it or not, people use the word, and your first paragraph says everything else that needs to be said, you’re being extremely hypcritical

[–]threequartersbaked 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

No, it's a bullshit term made up, perpetuated, and used almost exclusively by idealogues and ignorant want-to-do-gooders

It is an attempt at making discrimination against a particular group seem more acceptable than discrimination against other groups.

[–]toterengel367 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

Every word is made up. It’s a word and it’s in use, and it has meaning. There’s no reason to get so hostile about it, especially considering the fact that you were just talking about how something isn’t a word just because people say it is (which is wrong) and that you can’t coerce people into not believing a word exists. Just because you say it doesn’t exist doesn’t mean it doesn’t (which is exactly why we’re talking about it, because it does exist and people do use it), and getting angry and yelling at people about it doesn’t change that.

Edit: if you feel that strongly about it just say you fundamentally disagree Man, you’re allowed to have opinions on things.

[–]threequartersbaked 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean, yeah, I guess if the standard of a word or I guess in this case a term, being a term, is whether or not someone says it, fine, it's a term, so is grok.

Where we disagree is this term's necessity and function. I believe racism adequately describes all cases of race-based prejudice and leaves no necessity for a term specifying race-based prejudice against white people. I believe the use of the term reverse racism is specifically designed to make racism against white people less bad, and in this case, reverse discrimination serves the same purpose. It doesn't actually make any sense, reverse discrimination, if anything, ought to mean favouring.

[–]MBV-09-C 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure it can evolve, but there's a difference between creating a new word/phrase that's necessary and adds value, and mashing two words that don't fit together to fill a redundancy.

To put it another way, imagine squirting chocolate syrup into milk, and insisting that it's not milk, it's reverse milk. It's still a dairy product, it's still going to destroy the stomachs of the lactose-intolerant, the fact that it's a different flavor and color doesn't make it a completely new and separate concept with different rules.

[–]salgat 28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There's no such thing as benevolent racism. Racism always ends with one racial group discriminated against.

[–]Intelligent_Signal66 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ah like when liberals tell black people that they need their guidance?

[–]BrendoverAndTakeIt 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

According to Joe Biden, I ain't black.

[–]hatstar 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Racism is racism. No matter the race

[–]4411WH07RY 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and benevolent racism is when it takes the form of giving unearned opportunities to minorities because the giver believes the minority to be incapable of earning it genuinely.

This is called benevolent racism because it highlights the mental disconnect that the practitioners have about how they believe they're doing something good without examining their own motivations.

In this situation, the minority person is a victim of benevolent racism while the white person that was fired is a victim of traditional racism. It's like assault and aggravated assault, they're both bad but there are additional factors to be talked about. Both are assault, both are bad.

[–]hatstar -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So you are telling me that if a Black person is racist towards a white person they are the victim?This is dumb. In this case white people being racist towards black people in Africa makes them the victims. Due to the years of genocides against white minorities

[–]4411WH07RY 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

That's not even remotely close to what I'm saying and I don't understand how that's what you took from what I wrote.

[–]hatstar -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The White person is the victim anyways. The black person is not the victim in any way or form. Get over it

[–]4411WH07RY 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you just arguing with yourself?

[–]hatstar 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like? I'm literally trying to understand what you said. There is normal racism but under some other racism the offender is also the victim whilist the victim is the victim but also not fully the victim? I think you are making stuff up.

[–]MBV-09-C 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Reverse means 'the opposite of', benevolent means 'well meaning or kindly'. Neither of those words make any sense paired with "racism", the former would imply tolerance or love instead prejudice and hate, and the latter would imply that you can somehow spread prejudice and antagonize somebody's race kindly.

Maybe instead of adding a nonsense descriptor to the word to arbitrarily separate victims, you just call a spade a spade. It's racism, just racism.

[–]4411WH07RY 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

You're incredibly close to understanding, and basically described the concept, but you're too emotional to even see what you are saying.

It was called reverse racism because minorities were being given preference in admissions and hiring practices due to the belief they couldn't do it on their own. Traditional racism was colloquially understood to be doing mean things and people struggled with understanding why doing nice things, seemingly BENEVOLENT things, could still be racist.

Social consciousness changes over time.

[–]MBV-09-C 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No, I understand that part, but that still falls under the initial definition of racism by itself, 'prejudice, discrimination or antagonism directed at someone of a different race based on the belief that either one's race is superior, or inferior'. The addition of 'benevolent' to denote that someone is treating you like a child and giving you special treatment because they believe your race makes you incompetent at or incapable of doing something is redundant. Infantilizing someone based on their race would simply fall under prejudice.

It doesn't matter if someone is nice to you or not, if they think you're inferior, they think you're inferior.

[–]4411WH07RY 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea, squares are rectangles and yet the unique properties of a square make it worth separately describing, and the same applies here.

[–]redveinlover 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Saying there are different forms of racism insinuates that some forms are better/worse than others. Racism is racism and it’s all bad.

[–]4411WH07RY -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't. It insinuates that there are different kinds of racism. You're the one trying to apply a moral hierarchy on them.

[–]PaleWaffle -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

if it's benevolent, it ain't racism

[–]Cautious_Low_6691 302 points303 points304 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I was gonna say the same thing. It's just plain ol' discrimination right? No reverse about it.

[–]Massdrive 133 points134 points135 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's like idiots who claim "reverse-racism". No, it's just racism

[–]Charlie_Yu 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm tired of the fact that these "reverse-racism" cases have no stand in court but these assholes just decide to do it anyway because it costs money to bring them to justice

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They didn’t learn anything.

He should sue just for that headline.

[–]Reddit_Sux_Hardcore 80 points81 points82 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of a date I've had earlier in the year. We talked about racism and then somehow we talked about black people being racist towards white people..

..and she said, "oh, you mean reverse racism?"

I'm like.. wtf is that? No, it's racism. She tried to control the conversation after that - didn't want to talk about it and left once I didn't let her change the subject. Bitch was about to get owned with words.

[–]surdon 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I had date like this earlier last year- the topic of racism came up and she mentioned that black people literally can't be racist against white people, as "racism is only discrimination from a position of power." I honestly tried to understand her reasoning and had an in depth conversation about it, but I was confused because as I pointed out to her, that's literally NOT the definition, and you can't just redefine words because you want them to be something else. I agreed that the problem of discrimination from power is more impactful over all than discrimination from a cultural minority, that doesn't make it 'NOT racism.'

[–]Reddit_Sux_Hardcore 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Yup. Someone is trying to teach our young people, on a large scale, that racism means other than what it means. I'd love to know who's responsible for this. Literally it's nowhere in the definition.

I had coffee with a chick in downtown Los Angeles once, and I pulled out the definition - and she said any definition I find online is going to be inaccurate!

[–]surdon 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She told me the same, and stated that "it had recently been refined" And anything in dictionaries or online was now inaccurate. I asked where one was supposed to go to find accurate definitions, and she stated that she got this from a sociology class

[–]Reddit_Sux_Hardcore 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea, barf. I'd have told her that she should go smack that teacher in the face.

[–]surdon 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I genuinely wanted to understand her point of view, but not enough that there was a second date. She also spouted long conversations about feminist philosophy, which is fine, as it is valid philosophy, but kind of eye roll worthy if you then expect the man to pay everything for multiple expensive dates

[–]Risk_Kaitrex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm ngl too many African Americans have a victim mentality and I find that disgusting and annoying. I'm not even being racist, I'm black myself and never had that weak mindset where I believe the whole world is against me.

[–]Reddit_Sux_Hardcore 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

African Americans

If you're talking about color, you should just say black, right?

[–]TAPriceCTR 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

right, discrimination is like speed, not velocity. it has magnitude, but NOT direction.

[–]vhisic 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its discrimination, but with the word reverse put in front of it so people think its ok.

[+]4411WH07RY -38 points-37 points-36 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The women were the recipients of reverse discrimination, he had the regular side.

[–]UsualZealousideal785 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

unimportant and irrelevant. racism breeds more racism. hate breeds hate. idk why some like to be semantical about what the correct term is when its more important to cut it at the bud.

[–]Loud_Telephone_8924 -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It is relevant. The man was a victim of racism/sexism. The women are the beneficiaries of benevolent racism/sexism. Both are wrong. But the term reverse racism/sexism has been co-opted for whites/men, as though you can't really be racist or sexist against them.

[–]UsualZealousideal785 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Youre stooping to their level, playing their semantics game imo.

[–]Contrarian_Eh 401 points402 points403 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link

There is definitely discrimination against white males happening in hiring practices right now.

[–]Thy_Gooch 171 points172 points173 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

Yup.

I've heard multiple times from my manager that we need "more women on the team" and that the next hire needs to be a women, even though the company is 50/50 and entire departments are all women. And then the women he hires has to step down because she was in over her head...

Like why can't we hire people based on their merits?

[–]OpinionatedDad 97 points98 points99 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's even worse when you take into account the number of applicants that are female versus male. We have a policy that says the office needs to be 50% female because that's what they think is equal 50%. But when you look at the applicants we have out of 100 applicants 5 to 10 of them being female. So they just get hired there's no evaluation process they just get hired because they're a girl. Bonus points if you know French. Meanwhile people are who are overqualified and would be happy to have the position are being tossed aside just because they have a dick.

My favorite is the man in Alberta who was able to save on insurance because he identified as a girl just to get cheaper insurance. He's still a man but by paper he's a girl so he gets to pay less in insurance

[–]Thy_Gooch 62 points63 points64 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yup.

My industry graduates at 90% men 10% women. But someone we need 50/50 in the office.

It's amazing how they don't see the irony.

[–]OpinionatedDad 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Equality stems from giving the opportunity to achieve these positions. Equality doesn't mean 50%, it's just crazy how people think that way

[–]ImplodedPotatoSalad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You get opportunity if you prove being good enough. Not because you whaaaaant.

[–]The_Kids_Lying 42 points43 points44 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I used to work for the main competitor of the healthcare system mentioned in the article. On my old team, we were interviewing for a new position and my cube neighbor, a woman, was like "I liked [the interviewee], it'll be good to have more women in this boy's club!"

I then pointed out that our superiors for the new 2 levels were women and our team has 7 women and 5 men. What about that makes it a "boys club"? The complete ignoring of facts by these types blows my mind.

Anytime we interviewed new positions, it was women of color, white women, men of color, white men. Without fail, every time. They'd neglect internal promotions if the person being promoted was a white man. They'd rather hire a woman (of color) who didn't have years of experience on the team or the skills to make up for that rather than promote a white man. Those are several of many reasons I left there.

[–]Insidious-Sid 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Because it's not fair.

Now have a good laugh and read their definition of "fair".

[–]Aggravating-Equal-97 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"Fair" world is an incredibly evil world. Fair world is the place where eveything bad happening to you happened just because you deserved it on the basis of being born. Same for your achievements. Your effort does not matter because you were 'meant' to succeed, anyway. See how fucked up this is?

[–]Insidious-Sid 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Marxism is brain cancer. People who believe in it can't be reasoned with. They're members of a left-wing cult. A murderous, fascist cult.

[–]OpinionatedDad 27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I work for the federal government of Canada and we have an open policy that says higher minorities over white men. And when you do hire a white man make sure he knows French...

We have so many unqualified underprepared individuals in our association because they hire people based off of minority over qualifications.

In no way am I saying that they're not capable of being qualified but to be hired just because you identify as blank... And get hired because of it is discrimination.

[–]Contrarian_Eh 21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Under Trudeau I'm not surprised in the least.

[–]OpinionatedDad 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It's been like that for a very long time. It's Quebec that's the problem. They force their language on the rest of the country but refuse to make Quebec equal French and English.

[–]Contrarian_Eh 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I actually grew up in Ottawa so am very aware of that long standing problem! Has created a ton of resentment.

[–]OpinionatedDad 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Hello neighbor! Lol I just moved from Ottawa. Barrhaven

[–]Contrarian_Eh 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Barfhaven. Lol

[–]pizza_the_mutt 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I work at a FAANG and my manager told me he really wanted his next hire to be a woman. It is behavior that is encouraged among management, but discussion of it is suppressed.

[–]reverbiscrap 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's been going on since the late 80s, as women could count as double/triple minorities for hiring practices dictated by the fed.

[–]TraehNoil 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, we are garbage bro. They bring white men in for interviews knowing they’re going to hire a minority.

[–]Ephemeral_Levity 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And colleges as well

[+]paublo456 -37 points-36 points-35 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

How about how applicants with black sounding names need eight more years of experience for the same job?

https://www.wired.co.uk/article/name-discrimination

How about the gender discrimination women still face today?

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2018/01/09/women-and-men-in-stem-often-at-odds-over-workplace-equity/

[–]NoC2H6OnlyGas 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Using race to place the power in women's issues, this black man is not buying it.

[+]paublo456 -14 points-13 points-12 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

And that’s why I linked a separate article for the women’s issue

[–]NoC2H6OnlyGas 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let me help you. TWO SEPARATE COMMENTS WOULD HAVE SUFFICED. THIS BLACK MAN AINT BUYING. DONT MIX MY RACE WITH YOUR GENDER ISSUES. THEY ARE NOT RELATED. THERE IS REAL PAIN IN THE ISSUE ABOUT RACE

[+]paublo456 -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The comment I responded to was about white males.

Which is why I added two articles: one about race and the other about gender

[–]NoC2H6OnlyGas 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You can't be helped.

[–]OpinionatedDad 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The problem isn't getting those minorities into positions the problem is giving them the opportunity to have the education and experience to get those positions. But for some goddamn reason people are like your minority you're hired regardless of experience because token.

When someone hires someone or brings them on the team without bringing to light their gender race ethnicity etc. Not a single sane person questions it.

But when companies bring to light hey look we hired a black person as a CEO or we hired our first female manager... It's a token at that point. And all it says is I got this job because I'm a token.

"anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo" -Knuckles

Lol

[+]paublo456 -11 points-10 points-9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Did you miss the part where it takes even more experience for someone with a “black” name to get the same job as someone with lesser experience?

[–]OpinionatedDad 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Again not a single sane person would question it.

I'm not saying racism and sexism doesn't exist. I'm just saying discrimination for the sake of trying to solve racism and sexism is not a solution.

[–]therealblaine 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. That's happening too. But it's unrelated to the topic we're discussing here.

[–]Contrarian_Eh 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

How about it?

[–]reddut_gang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't mean to be rude, but that's not our problem? The name of the sub is men's rights, not women's rights or BLM.

[–]boltz13 111 points112 points113 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Whats more infuriating is that Healthcare, Administration and Marketing are fields dominated by women. I have rarely seen men in marketing or healthcare roles. Despite that, they had to fire a man who himself is a minority in a female dominated field

[–]TheRkhaine 43 points44 points45 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Also, men happen to be a minority in the US as well.

[–]_shiwoshiwo_ 54 points55 points56 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel good for that man, he is a strong empowered male in this matriarchy

[–]HPUnicorn 184 points185 points186 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't anyone see the irony , they replace ONE MAN with TWO WOMEN, I mean, does this mean this man was / is doing the work that it takes two women to accomplish.

[–]p3ngwin 75 points76 points77 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

"EQUAL PAY FOR EQUAL WORK!...wait...same work costing the company TWICE the money !...shit what was our goal again !??"

[–]Wilddog73 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

How'd you make your text this big?

[–]p3ngwin 14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Highlight your text and then ...

https://imgur.com/a/4Wtzqic

Please enjoy your new power responsibly :)

[–]Wilddog73 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

THANK YOU.

I'll try.

[–]Highlander-Jay 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

whoah

[–]Zafkeil 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

HELLO?

[–]13rokendreamer 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just add a hashtag at start of sentence

[–]VegasGuy69 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Testing text

Edit: I will abuse this

[–]sassy_lil_sasquatch 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

like this?

[–]Comfortable_Ad_574 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Am I doing it right?

[–]sassy_lil_sasquatch 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

indeed you are, although you don't require the hastag at the end

[–]Darth_Smoker 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

COPY

[–]DiggerW 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Just add a # at the beginning of the line of text

#Like this

(Backslash to 'escape" formatting characters = how you can see that written out)

For any formatting trick you see in the wild though, simply view the source of the comment -- I don't remember the phrasing on the website, but it's always one of the few options available for any comment

[–]Wilddog73 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

neat.

[–]__pulsar 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They actually changed it to be, "equal pay for equal work of equal value."

One of the largest supermarket chains in the UK (I believe) is appealing a court ruling that says they have to pay cashiers the same as warehouse workers, because the court determined that both positions are of equal value to the company.

It's fucking madness.

[–]p3ngwin 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, madness, i've noticed a trend over the last few years where "Equal pay for equal work" is being phased out in favour of "equity", because they just want one side of the equation.

[+]paublo456 -10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

More likely that it was cheaper to hire two women to replace him.

[–]someone_butnoone 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if it is, the reason it was cheaper was bcos those women were likely less qualified or less competent

[–]reddut_gang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

but why would they hire two if they only need one?

[–]program_mer 34 points35 points36 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not white male, but well done David Duvall .. you are an inspiration for all men..

[–]VincentZ6 84 points85 points86 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Female privilege so apparent that even Helen Keller could see it but the feminists will still deny it.

They'll still hate men and blame the patriarchy for their employment prospects despite all the misandrist quotas and the wage gap (yes it exists but in reverse, nowadays in more and more cases you're hearing women making more than men).

[–]soczewka 25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not "reverse discrimination".
No. It's a plain discrimination.

[–]throwaway3569387340 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Good. I'm sick of hearing about gender and "cultural" diversity in the workplace every week.

[–]Mother-Key582 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I can’t take this damn 85 million genders/pronoun thing anymore. 🤦‍♂️

[–]Reddit1984Censorship 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome !!!

[–]sleepyJoeBidet 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Took two years to work it's way through. And Im sure they arent even done with appeals. I hope.an avalanche of these come, and buisness starts ignoring bored woke mobs again.

[–]comfort_bot_1962 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Here's a joke! What is a butterfly's favorite subject at school? Mothematics.

[–]Mr_Joguvaga 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Doesnt that kind of backfire tho that being "woke"... they replaced ONE man with TWO women

So are they saying that one man did as much work as two women or what are they trying to say??

[–]Good_Stuff11 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for this man

[–]CrazedKnightCK 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

So by being WOKE and if I follow their way of thinking, they just replace 1 white man by 2 black women.

So 1 white man = 2 black women ... In their mind.

Imagine being sexist and racist in 1 shot !

[–]Lipophobicity 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not even 3/5ths per person!

[+]LowestKey -15 points-14 points-13 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

It was a white woman and a black woman. Reading this article on a non nazi-loving site it says the jury decided the hospital was unable to prove they didn't fire him due to his race. Nothing mentioned about his gender despite that being part of his lawsuit.

I'm sure more will come out about this in the future but the reason this is even a story is because it's so rare for a white man to be discriminated against. You don't see the hundreds of stories of minorities and women being discriminated against for the same reason you don't see news stories about the sun rising every day.

[–]CrazedKnightCK 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Yes. But I'm not saying it doesn't happen to others.

[+]LowestKey -9 points-8 points-7 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

I know. That was more directed at the entirety of this thread that seems to think one instance of this happening means it's a huge, widespread issue.

[–]CrazedKnightCK 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I understand what you say now.

But I hope you know that this being less frequent for white people does not mean it's less grave.

[–]LowestKey -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I do understand that. I'm an egalitarian. Firing anyone for their gender or race is abhorrent and should not be tolerated. Men should be concerned when it happens to men but men should also be concerned when it happens to women, minorities, etc.

An attack on any of us is an attack on all of us.

[–]CrazedKnightCK 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

We do. We are very concerned about it actually.

When you look at it. More men are willing to be feminist, than women being "meninist" or for actual equality.

But I get what you say my friend ! Have a nice day.

[–]LowestKey -3 points-2 points-1 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think women aren't willing to stand up for mens rights? Where do you see anything to support that? All the feminists I meet are very pro-mens rights, are very much in support of mens health, parental leave, and so on.

It sounds a lot like you've been fed some misogynist propaganda that's being used to radicalize you and give you a pretend enemy to fight against.

[–]someone_butnoone 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If you've met women like that, u must live on mars. Cause the only feminists who do shit or make a difference are the radical ones that do a good job and manipulating society. The ones that are pro-mens rights are mostly empty claims as they really do nothing to back it up. As of now, the actions of feminists have largely damaged men and boys. Feminists dont want equality, never did cause they never intended to and have actually NEVER helped any men's right issue.

[–]LowestKey -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

If these are the things you believe because you've read them then you might consider where you get your information. It sounds like you're reading a lot of authors who don't like women and I would suggest maybe you should consider that they're not providing wholly objective opinions.

[–]reddut_gang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

yeah men have been concerned about women's rights issues since the suffragettes. The reverse hasn't been nearly as close in terms of support and impact. Not really egalitarian if you ask me.

[–]LowestKey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

If you feel the reverse isn't true then I would suggest you refrain from getting your information about what feminists support from a community with an axe to grind against women in general. You will not get an accurate depiction in this sub and environments like it.

[–]reddut_gang 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm aware. I'm referring more to real life experiences and occurrences. Seems to me like nobody really gives a shit about men's rights and the only ones that do are young men. In fact, the only times I think I've ever seen a feminist defend men's rights is online.

[–]LowestKey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That probably says a lot about the circle of people you find yourself in.

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20200429-swedens-male-only-supper-clubsfor-feminists

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/feminist-men-mental-health_b_8484594/

https://www.womenshealth.gov/blog/mens-mental-health

[–]someone_butnoone 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually it IS a very VERY big problem. This shit has happened to many men i know and FINALLY ONE of these cases are brought to attention. Most dont even get media coverage

[–]OpinionatedDad 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and not the status quo"

-Knuckles

Haha love that quote

[–]sansgasterv2 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What? Just because I'm a meathead doesn't mean I'm not a feminist

[–]Old-Acanthaceae6226 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"reverse discrimination" bullshit. It's just discrimination.

[–]Nerfixion 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Take note they said there was more men use as evidence so I dare say the hospital is.going to pay an extra 50mil to them

[–]rainbow_bro_bot 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They had to combine two female brains to compensate for the male one they lost.

One of the comments on the article. It's witty but I bet the editor disables the comments as soon as they see the comments.

The article should avoid using terms like "reverse discrimination". It sounds silly, and discrimination is discrimination.

[–]Rev_Irreverent 12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Broke it is, then.

[–]CallofJuarez23 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

So what exactly is "reverse discrimination"?

[–]redramsfan123 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

People who use that word have the belief that it's only discrimination if the person who is discriminating has systemic power and privilege. If the person has less systemic power and privelege than the person they are discriminating against then it is reverse discrimination. Many of them believe that even if it is a super rich woman born rich discriminating against a super poor man born poor it's still considered "reverse discrimination" unless the woman is white and the man is black or another racial or sexual minority. Truth is, reverse discrimination doesn't exist because that's not how discrimination works. Discrimination is discrimination regardless of who does it.

[–]auMatech 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A form of "punching up".

Basically an attempt to say it's discrimination but not actually discrimination because of some perceived form of innate privilege due to race or gender.

Basically something a sexist racist would say.

[–]113534281 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

He won this case because of the unfair dismissal, not because of the discrimination. Woke corporations that are hell bent on this kind of over diversifying their business for what they believe to be social good, rather than commercial sense, will just find a better way to fire white men (and anyone they want really). They will move people off the business by having a stronger case, whether it be unconfirmed allegations, restructuring, or some other veiled guise. This hospital fucked up, they would have gotten away with it too had they done what other companies do, cover their tracks in bureaucratic loopholes which justifies the dismissal.

[–]mikesteane 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Woke corporations that are hell bent on this kind of over diversifying their business for what they believe to be social good

It's impossible to know their intent.

[–]113534281 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point

[–]Ctrl_Alt_Abstergo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah as soon as men start winning discrimination cases the firings will just be over life-ruining “anonymous allegations.” Not only will they go back to losing their discrimination cases, they’ll be unhirable everywhere else too.

[–]ignatztempotypo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll take the 10mil and be unhireable, thank you.

[–]mikesteane 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So if each of the women are getting paid 70% of what he was getting paid, the company is now paying a premium of 40% for the same work. The wage gap needs to be increased.

[–]romiphebo 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ignorance is our strength!

[–]Diligent-Education64 72 points73 points74 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

I was harassed out of my job for being male, sued, won and retired. Equality is the law. If in doubt, sue.

[–]orangebananaphone1 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

If you’re going to lie on Reddit, you should make sure your comment history doesn’t directly contradict your lie.

[–]bannerman89 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Link it, as you've done the work already

[–]orangebananaphone1 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Here are an easy 2 that prove he is a serial liar on Reddit. Age doesn’t even add up.

https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/oyhjnk/a_gay_mans_struggle_with_female_lead/h7uepfd/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&context=3

https://www.reddit.com/r/hudsonvalley/comments/mk6lrt/musician_in_the_fishkill_area_looking_for_work/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[–]Lagkiller 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The first link just proves that he's in his 60's. Doesn't really lend any evidence for or against him. He never put a date on when he won his case. Could have been last month and it wouldn't change anything.

The second doesn't even have a comment from him.

A quick scan through his comments shows he only posts here and it doesn't really indicate anything false in his comments.

[–]orangebananaphone1 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s very weird. The comment I linked is literally his first. If you go to his account and scroll to his very first comment, it is a link to that thread with his comment claiming to be actively working.

I’m not sure why his comment won’t show when you click my link. Try for yourself and look at the account though.

[–]Lagkiller 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If I scroll all the way down his account I do see it, but it doesn't say he is actively working. It says he has a sound studio (which many freelance people do) and that he is a composer, which is a hobby many people partake in because for most people it is not enough to be a full time job.

Like the other comment, it does not add or remove credibility from his statement. Just as someone would say they are an active woodworker and have retired simply selling small projects they make, I can just as easily believe he makes music as a hobby or a side gig. It does not preclude him from being retired.

[–]magicalecazam 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We can win all the lawsuits and it won't matter. These people are waging a war against us and it's not about the money for them.

[–]Ren_Yi 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I hope the other senior white men who were also replaced now individually sue for their $10 million each...

[–]Insidious-Sid 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

OUTRAGEOUS!

You'd need at least three women to do this guys job...

[–]VidOver 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for him

[–]GlassHurricane98 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for him!

[–]WolfeBane84 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Removed?

Why?

[–]_shiwoshiwo_ 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

u/goodmod

[–]wackeck 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

I am just wondering why a hospital requires a Marketing VP.

Explanation: from Europe and I see a hospital as a community service. I know hospitals in the U.S. are commercial companies, but still what are they marketing: “Get your appendix out now! 30% off, only in October!”

[–]LowestKey 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

For profit hospitals in a capitalist system. How else will the higher ups earn such lavish salaries?

[–]wackeck 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I suppose you need someone to sell to the public why you charge $1000 for an Ibuprofen

[–]smileymcgeeman 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Commercial companies has nothing to do with it. There is plenty of non profit outfits that have tv commercials and billboards.

[–]wackeck 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

They sure do. Just wondering do hospitals in the US use billboards, tv advertising and social media campaigns? Been to the US twice but I didn’t notice any at the time, but maybe I just missed them.

[–]smileymcgeeman 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Commercials and billboards. Nothing to do with prices or anything though. Usually just saying what services they provide and fancy footage of the place.

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[–]Crot4le 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Disgusting, mysogynistic comment. Be better.

[+]PigletRadiant -6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

No. I don’t think that I will.

[–]PigletRadiant -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re old enough to comprehend differences of opinion. Be better.

[–]xsplizzle 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is great but i wonder what the real pay out will be after they appeal?

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[–]comfort_bot_1962 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

:D

[–]robk11 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Good

[–]Pedroo214 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"reverse discrimination"

[–]yahaya146 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I love it.

[–]Noob_master_slayer 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I legit do not understand why corporations try to do this. To appease whom? For whose browny points? Like seriously, the diversity pandering woke-ass millennials have no power to do anything, so why are corporations so sensitive to woke millenials' and their wishes?

[–]codyvector -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course star-of-David “won”

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