One of the most telling criticism of Men’s Rights Activists is when they are called Incels. So sex has nothing to do with gender rights unless it’s a man advocating for his legal rights. Then it’s down to the fact he can’t get laid.

pacsatonifil · 2022-06-08T02:30:09+00:00

When I saw a married man with kids being called an incel that was the moment that word became irrelevant.

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2022-06-08T01:29:02+00:00

It’s ironic, when men are told that, they’re being told that women only exist as a commodity to validate a man’s value.

g1455ofwater · 2022-06-08T01:26:03+00:00

True.

It's the quickest and easiest way to expose that most people aren't against sexism they just want discrimination they approve of.

TheSilverShade · 2022-06-08T02:11:04+00:00

It's another word from a list of irrelevant insults

"Incel"

"Misogynist"

"Bitter"

"Hate speech"

“wHo hUrT YoU”

“Insecure”

“Strawman”

“Get out of your moms basement”

"Tiny dick"

"Neckbeard"

"Nazi/fascist"

Feel free to add more. I'll add to the list

Most of the time whoever starts with that, you know they don't have a valid argument so they use these words to try to dismiss you.

Njaulv · 2022-06-08T02:22:15+00:00

Or neckbeard. From the body positivy crowd you have body shaming. From the sex freedom/anti-slut shaming crowd you have shaming on your sexual success. While they are also against men finding women attractive or approaching women.

TheSoviet_Onion · 2022-06-08T07:25:23+00:00

Also there are several fat female feminists complaining about inequality when they fail to get laid because of their self caused fatness. And these women do not get called "incel" by others than people like me who see the obvious double standard.

AnonymousTortle · 2022-06-08T04:00:56+00:00

This is a good half of r/twoxchromisome lmao

Aimless-Nomad · 2022-06-08T03:43:58+00:00

Thats what bigots do. They know they are full of shit so they make you irrelevant so that no one takes you seriously.

TAPriceCTR · 2022-06-08T04:58:16+00:00

Despite being married with child#4 on the way, I don't dispute when they accuse me off being an incel. I merely ask "Are you trying to shame me for a lack of sexual conquest? Isn't that part of "toxic masculinity" you're perpetuating there?"

My goal in talking to feminists isn't to convince them to agree with me, but to show them they disagree with themselves.

SecondEldenLord · 2022-06-08T07:11:16+00:00

They do not even fucking now what incel is. Involunatry celibate: men who want intimacy but are failing to do so. Many men here were in relationships, married or even had many many sexual partners. Advocating for men's rights and exposing the bs feminists have been trying to push doesn't mean we are incels, we are just sick and tired of not having the same equal treatment as women.

TextDependent6779 · 2022-06-08T04:52:16+00:00

feminists practically tell us we should be incels whenever it comes to discussing parental surrender. how quickly they're willing to resort to pro-life arguments.

ghostslikme · 2022-06-08T04:14:46+00:00

If the gender roles were reversed there would probably be as many female incels as there are male incels now

DemocratsDoNothing · 2022-06-08T04:56:23+00:00

Dehumanizing your ideological opponents makes it more acceptable for you to not respect or listen to them.

Don't question my opinions or I'll call you mean names on the internet.

DouglasMilnes · 2022-06-08T10:08:40+00:00

According to feminists, you're an incel if you don't have sex, an abuser if you want sex, and a rapist if you have sex.

Imaginary-Luck-8671 · 2022-06-08T13:53:05+00:00

Not to mention that incel (involuntary celibate) is an extremely presumptuous term.

Firstly, why do they even care whether or not I'm celibate?

Secondly, why do they presume that male celibacy must always be involuntary?

Thirdly, if men are the rape-hungry beasts that feminists portray us to be, shouldn't they be happy when a man chooses celibacy? Oh right, because we're sex-starved animals, any celibate man must necessarily be involuntarily so. Got it.

Yet in my experience, women are far more sexually aggressive than men. I remember once joking with another man who'd noticed it in one woman who persued us in spite of our repeated resusals whether we should buy her a dildo to calm her down and leave us alone.

I sometimes wonder in spite of the feminist trope whether women might be far more sex-obsessed than we are.

solar-garlic1776 · 2022-06-08T11:18:10+00:00

This should be widely known by now, but for those that don't know, when the opposition resorts to shaming language, name calling, and personal attacks they have already lost the debate. People only resort to these tactics when they cannot win an argument or have no clear counter points to your argument.

When this happens just laugh at them. They are too dumb to debate any topic using facts and logic and can only use feelings.

NoFuryLikeKristine · 2022-06-08T13:04:27+00:00

Excuse my whataboutism, but what about the females who support men's rights?? Oh yeah, i guess they have another word for us (traitors). Reason never works to prove feminism wrong.

upsidedownbackwards · 2022-06-08T15:43:54+00:00

It shows that sex/virginity/celibacy is important if they're trying to use it as an insult. But ask about a woman's sexual past and it's unimportant and you're an incel just to thinking about it.

boomboxspence · 2022-06-08T09:44:30+00:00

Incels are misunderstood

penguinsrcoolaf · 2022-06-08T13:28:41+00:00

If it was only feminists repeating this ridiculous line that would be one thing, but it's repeated by the MSM. It's a trick to put men off men becoming part of the MRM. Whilst our boys are told at every turn they're not good enough, they're potential rapists & their masculinity is toxic & dangerous. We are losing the self esteem of a generation of young boys to these awful lies & then when they struggle to fit into a society that constantly berates them, they are mocked as incels. Its really enraging & very sad.

Ferbuggity · 2022-06-08T03:40:58+00:00

Look, Okay. I'm a woman who has clapped back to some very angry men on the internet with "incel" because their hatred and disregard for all women has been made abundantly clear, but then they whine about getting no sex. And I think, "well no wonder with that giant shitty and less than attractive chip on yer shoulder, mate" but I sometimes just lose my cool and call them an incel.

Which isn't helping anything at all, and I'm not proud of it, nor of the loss of temper that caused it. I mean, I'm here in a MR sub where there are men who have been injured and scarred on so many levels by negative interactions with women, some very profoundly, and hating men and masculinity is the new black and all. What do I really expect, but that I will occasionally happen on individuals that truly hate women in general. I don't need to be adding to the invective and division.

I'm here because I worry about what the world will look like for the male children of my family in years to come, and because I know men who have lost their jobs, homes and kids to malevolent women to whom are attributed zero responsibility for that suffering. I'd like the world to just be better, for all of us.

So I'll do my best to remove "incel" from my vocabulary. And I'm sorry it was ever there to begin with.

pappo4ever · 2022-06-08T16:45:54+00:00

It has nothing to do with sex or incels, and all to do with feminists insulting like a 11 year old kid would, because behind all the anger, the discourse, the marches and songs, feminists are just scared, sad and frustrated 11 year old girls in their minds.

StrongBelwas1994 · 2022-06-08T17:43:52+00:00

The feminists who supposedly want to end patriarchy are very quick to enforce traditional roles for men when they encounter a man they don’t like.

AbysmalDescent · 2022-06-08T17:52:46+00:00

The biggest problem with calling male MRA's incels, besides the fact that it's an adhominem, that there's female mra's advocating the same points, that it's effectively using a gendered term to shame a man based on his sexual history, that it's highly hypocritical and an overall shitty thing to do; it is also clearly indicative of a systematic disparity or imbalance of power between men and women. Being an "incel" is something that uniquely affects men and it is very clear that men are involuntarily celibate because the barrier to entry, and the expectations, when it comes to sex, relationships and dating are so much higher and harder for men.

It is quite disgusting to see how often and quickly women, even self-declared feminists, are at abusing or flaunting that paradigm, or position of systematic privilege, to further shame or silence men. It is punching down, not just in demonstrating that men do not have the opportunities that women have but in that men don't really have the freedom of being or freedom of expression that women have. They don't have the freedom to be or say whatever they want, while still being accepted or desired the way most women are.

It is disgusting how it is effectively used not only as a way for women to bully men or police their views, but also used to further justify abuse, harassment, belittlement or delegitimization of men. If feminists were true to what they preach, they would never try to use incels as a derogatory term, given all that it implies, but that is not the case. It really shines a light on how feminists think and feel about men, and how equality is really the furthest thought from their motivation or imperative. They can understand how words like slut or whore can be used to silence or devalue women, yet fall completely deaf to how incel or all other variations of the meaning that came before it, would be used in the exact same way against men.

rainbow_bro_bot · 2022-06-08T11:13:24+00:00

I'm not following the whole "incel" thing, but if it helps I support men's rights and I'm married.

Dirk_94 · 2022-06-08T09:17:16+00:00

What is the Definition of incel even supposed to be ?

FactsArentHate · 2022-06-08T18:40:18+00:00

Incel is an insult because most women know the only value they have to bestow lies in who gains access to their reproductive system. Full Fucking Stop.

3DemocracyActivist · 2022-06-08T18:51:55+00:00

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ad%20hominem

That's the word. These "arguements" are easily dismissed simply by pointing out what it is - ad hominem. If someone says these things to you, just say "that's ad hominem" and then ask "now can you actually give a real arguement? Or are you just resorting to ad hominem because you know you don't have a real argument?"

Ad hominem is usually used by people who don't have a real argument. Keep that in mind and be ready to point it out when it's used against you.

rabel111 · 2022-06-08T22:47:55+00:00

Feminist hate speech has morphed over the decades. INCEL is just one of many sexist slur feminists have used to demean men and silence their voices.

Amarillo_Cocknballz7 · 2022-06-09T08:55:49+00:00

Pretty relevant post tbf 👌🏻

TitanicPat · 2022-06-09T13:28:03+00:00

"Sexist" and "misogynist" have all lost their power to control. Switching up to "incel" showed their hand too much.

As you cannot have one without the other 'Sex' really means 'consent', and 'consent' really means 'approval'

"Incel", when used as a pejorative, really means "men who are not approved of by women"

THAT'S the big insult, that only feminism's ego could invent - "I disapprove" sick burn, indeed.

2022-06-08T18:34:00+00:00

Today the Star Trek reddit claimed incels were going to review bomb the Strange New Worlds reviews because they introduced a new non-binary character.

Yes, apparently incels have been vocally anti-trans...

At this point it's just a code for being able to shit on mostly straight white males.

IcyTrapezium · 2022-06-12T11:23:21+00:00

Yeah and feminists are ugly man haters who can’t get a husband. This is most peoples go-to insult against others.

Try2luvyourself · 2022-06-15T01:50:01+00:00

Incel post lmao

Net_Flux3 · 2022-06-08T08:25:56+00:00

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ebplinth · 2022-06-08T17:13:05+00:00

A big problem is also that a lot of legitimate men's rights issues do indeed get co-opted by misogynists who really are just anti-feminist.

This also happens the other way around, feminist issues used for misandrist propaganda, but it's definetely a far bigger and encompassing issue for mras.

Nobody should be immune to criticism just by calling themselves a mra or feminist.

I recommend anyone here visit r/MensLib

PaulLefontaone · 2022-06-08T01:09:09+00:00

People get called incels when they are hating on women. Not when they are just advocating for mens rights.

Net_Flux3 · 2022-06-08T10:52:33+00:00

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