Why isn’t misandry treated the same as other forms of online hate?

Anih1list · 2022-07-07T13:00:08+00:00

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PenDownWriting · 2022-07-07T12:54:30+00:00

Because female chauvinists believe that men deserve all the hatred they get in exchange for the existence of misogyny, and there are enough white knights to help them persist in their delusion.

If you are caught up in "who is worse", you are acting in bad faith. Figure out good faith vs bad faith and just go from there. It's not men vs women, it's good people vs bad people who try to convince you that it's men vs women.

PandaFoo1 · 2022-07-07T13:11:52+00:00

Because feminists have created this idea that men are privileged above others when we’re really all on the same level getting fucked by greater powers

bottleblank · 2022-07-07T13:11:34+00:00

Because of the flawed and insidious notion, which inexplicably has made its way into very powerful tiers of companies and society, that classification of discrimination and hate speech relies on the idea that the party targeted are less powerful than those targeting them - a balance of power that men, especially straight white men, supposedly have the benefit of.

It is believed to be acceptable (or at the very least "not harmful") on the basis that it is seen to be "punching up", due to the false assumption that men are automatically beneficiaries of patriarchy.

Which I might even agree with the logic of, if it were remotely true, but statistically it's demonstrably not the case. Even if it were to be true, there's no need for such blatant and aggressive hate, regardless of the target.

I have some tolerance for, as an example, satire and insults at the expense of the ruling classes, because they choose to put themselves in that position (or at least not to denounce their roles), they should be held responsible due to the power they hold, and they often behave in ways which should attract scrutiny and ridicule. But these are people with real power, not some fictional power assigned by some other group as a means to target them without reproach.

Arzakhan · 2022-07-07T15:17:32+00:00

I tried to report the post and got an INSTANT responses saying there was no hate present

Redditcritic6666 · 2022-07-07T15:34:29+00:00

If we want to play the same game as the feminist are playing we'll need to follow the same stragety. Unfortunately we are decades behind that. Feminist first build sympathy for their causes, and then harness those sympathy into political movement, and then in turn use their political capital to change the minds for people in politics (democracts), acedemia(social science) and social (hollywood). The men's right movement haven't even achieved step one and garner no sympathy for the general public and it's a small wonder why MRA got any attention. Combined with the fact that some feminist causes actually act in direct conflict with MRA causes.

Darkwolf90 · 2022-07-07T13:11:02+00:00

To be blunt because the men's rights movement isn't affiliated by liberal-leftist politics.

That's it. We don't belong to their “team” so essentially they associate us with right-wing authoritarianism.

In their minds, if you do not have communist association, you must have nazi association.

It is quite common to observe that any ‘activism’ that isn't exactly leftist in nature is directly assumed by them to be nazi.

Recognizing misandry would be akin to recognizing racism against white people. Although there are many differences, but I think this drama of you can't be racist against the whites because so-and-so mental gymnastics is over the top and unnecessary.

TheSnesLord · 2022-07-07T15:44:51+00:00

Why isn’t misandry treated the same as other forms of online hate?

Because if it were, it would expose the fact that women and feminists are not the angels that everyone and society sees them as.

Huffers1010 · 2022-07-07T18:37:59+00:00

In all seriousness, I'm absolutely mystified by that original post on r/TwoXChromosomes. Ignoring any associated men's rights issues for the sake of argument, how is it possible to interpret current politics as being in any sense ignorant of women's issues?

OK, fine, a lot of the commentary on that thread plausibly comes from people who have spent a lot of time reading Reddit threads; it's echo-chamber stuff. I fear that happens here, too, and we should do something about that. Still, reading that thread is like reading commentary from people who live on another planet.

I've made a good-faith attempt to stand back from the issue, take a broad view, and try to understand how some of that commentary could seem reasonable. The original post includes the phrase "misogynist hate is somehow always an exception, an allowable offence, an understandable approach to the world." Is it? Based on what? Everything I know about the world, from hard statistics to life experience, tells me exactly the opposite is true, to the point where expressing unequivocally prejudiced dislike of men in general is now considered politically correct and laudable behaviour.

From what I see, the modern first world does not overlook the problems of women, it massively prioritises them at the expense of other things to a point where problems not solely experienced by women are often cruelly overlooked. Beyond that, at least some women are starting to become aware of the way at least some men are actively disengaging from having anything to do with them, or walking on eggshells around them in a desperate attempt to avoid doing anything that could even vaguely be interpreted as the tiniest imaginable offence. Women are such a protected class, their every whim and desire so minutely observed and indulged, that any professional engagement with them whatsoever is starting to feel like a bad risk.

In other words, women are put on such a pedestal it's starting to affect their careers.

In a world where it's considered appropriate for men to literally beg on their knees for female foregiveness, the old truism that "it's never enough" has never seemed more appropriate.

Diesel-66 · 2022-07-07T15:04:58+00:00

The activists believe in the concept of punching up or down. If you have more victim points than another person, you can make fun of them or even attack them.

SvitlanaLeo · 2022-07-07T15:50:49+00:00

Because "White Cis Male" is looked at as the default. This is the core problem with feminism and most SJ movements, they automatically assume white, straight and male means you are the "peak" of society by default, so everything is based off that. So if you are not all of those things it makes you disadvantaged from the get go.

The whole thing is based off this idea that if you are a white, straight male, life has to be not just good, not just great, but the best. It's like getting mad at the board of a company instead of the employee who fucked you over, you go straight to the top. But in this case it's real life, not a business, and there is no actual default "good life" that's as relatable as making 4 times everyone else around you.

SvitlanaLeo · 2022-07-07T16:03:53+00:00

The society is misandrous. And most of people in govermental structures also have misandrous worldview. That's why reaction to candid "I hate men" is weak. People usually hate men. 'Progressive' misandrists say "I hate men", conservative misandrists say "I respect real men", and we should condemn the both of them.

2022-07-07T21:05:35+00:00

Because misandrists are in power

peanutbutterjams · 2022-07-07T23:18:25+00:00

There is no place for hate on major internet platforms.

lmao. Try posting #KillAllMen with a different identity group substituted in for 'men' and see how far you get.

Acceptable hate has been allowed on major internet platforms for the last decade. The fact that they don't realize this is a testament to the integrity of their echo chambers.

rabid_god · 2022-07-07T17:18:19+00:00

My immediate answer is that we're men and we're expected to be able to "take it like a man." I think too it's retaliation or backlash against the historical threat some men have posed and that we are, therefore, guilty by association.

hottake_toothache · 2022-07-07T18:54:39+00:00

People don't care about men.

jayval90 · 2022-07-07T16:53:16+00:00

Because in reality, online hate doesn't matter that much, and you don't actually fix it by "treating it" in some way.

AbysmalDescent · 2022-07-07T20:13:30+00:00

Two reasons. One, male disposability is deeply ingrained into most culture. People care about the suffering of women and children, but not men's, and this deeply rooted predisposition affects just about every other aspect of society, including how we react to misandry.

Two, feminism has controlled a lot of the discourse over the past four to five decades, and has use their platform to twist every single aspect of male contribution through history and portray men as the enemy, who are deserving of hate, contempt and prejudice. It has also put a lot of effort into maintaining this narrative that women are uniquely victim to inequality and that men are uniquely privilege.

This is also a narrative that was, ironically, heavily facilitated by the fact that women hold a tremendous amount of power and privilege on a social, cultural and systematic level and that men are already heavily dehumanized and their suffering so normalized.

MononMysticBuddha · 2022-07-07T21:33:08+00:00

.Because men aren't nearly as important as women.

Vallahaiye · 2022-07-08T01:12:59+00:00

Because of normalization for one, and the apathy towards men for two

Halafax · 2022-07-08T04:16:08+00:00

Because feminist can't conceive of men as human.

perfection_isnt · 2022-07-07T15:05:02+00:00

It's like hate reparations. It's a backlash that's been occurring since at least the 60s/70s and it's gotten to insane levels. It's not unlike white guilt and slavery in America. So many people just shut down and take it. It's the same with men; they just take it. It's exacerbated the problem to a point where phrases like "kill all men" are commonplace in feminist spaces (and maybe outside them as well) and the backlash to that is an increased MRA presence and more and more men walking away from relationships. We have to put our foot down and harshly reject these women and their narrative. I don't see another way out of this.

Emet22 · 2022-07-07T18:13:06+00:00

My opinion? Most people don't even care about hate, or acceptance, or any virtues at all. They care about being popular. Because if they really thought hate was a bad thing, they'd care just as much about misandry. But they don't, because it's not about hate. It's about being in with the crowd and what appears most powerful.

RandomThrowaway410 · 2022-07-07T18:37:02+00:00

Because society has an incredible, almost psychopathic, lack of empathy for the suffering of men.

Nachtlicht_ · 2022-07-07T18:59:47+00:00

Her post and way of thinking is the single most important reason why misogyny is around. What even is the engame here? Misogynists are evil and what next? Hatred comes from fear and insecurities. Both misogynists and misandrists are victims. If you can't acknowledge that you'll cause much more harm than good and that's exactly what they are doing. We can't just mirror their views if we want a real change, this is a great post - learn from it guys, someone has to stop the circle of eye for an eye attitude and unfortunately it must be us.

hifi3xx · 2022-07-07T19:05:27+00:00

It isn't treated the same because Men are societies scape goat, you got a problem, it was probably a man's fault. Even with issues surrounding race. odds are its a white man's fault. When you are part of the group that society blames everything on no one is going to stand up for you and no one is going to care when you are unjustly receiving of hate. Society sees it as your job to receive all of that hate. Its our gender role, to fix society when shit brakes, but to also receive all of the blind hate.

TextDependent6779 · 2022-07-07T19:21:01+00:00

what world are they living on where misogyny is okay? seriously, what are they on? when we live in a world where we propose male-specific curfews and femicide, how is misogyny not taken seriously?

nintendo1889 · 2022-07-07T19:35:22+00:00

It's because women bond quickly and forms mobs.

Also many other comments below are likely covariant factors.

g1455ofwater · 2022-07-07T20:15:53+00:00

Because the goal of "hate policies" isn't to punish hate it's to ensure class supremacy and expansion of power. The classes most often benefiting are women, the rich and powerful, celebrities, politicians. "Hate policies" are often more egregious forms of hate than the thing they are punishing.

kireol · 2022-07-07T20:56:43+00:00

It's pretty simple. Much like Hitler needing to get Germans on his side, so he blamed the jews for everything; feminists and the left in general have decided the new jews are men.

nevermock · 2022-07-07T21:10:20+00:00

Because of theosophy is America's true religion.

YouCouldBeBetter · 2022-07-07T21:10:38+00:00

Quite literally, like in Scotland, because feminists and women's rights groups lobbied against it. Alot of their societal critique is built upon misandry and blaming all men. So they'd never get away with it. You can literally replace their critiques on men with any word, blacks, jews and so on and it'd be a hate crime instantly. They attain status and power through misandry inspired societal criticism. They don't want the golden cow taken a way through enforced equality. You see privileged black people from upper class backgrounds attain status and power through a similar method, they accuse society of being systemically racist. White women accuse society of being systemically sexist. If these women in question or privileged upper class blacks in question, were forced to critique societally fairly and not hate on men or whites for fame, they'd become irrelevant instantly. They only exist and have power due to their pedalling of conspiracy theories. If you made publicly attacking men or whites a hate crime, a lot of people would be in jail.

Anih1list · 2022-07-07T22:14:03+00:00

If you think about it, most types of identity-based online hate aren't treated as badly as the famous ones (racism, misogyny, etc.) You can discriminate people based on height, stupidity, attractiveness, richness or poorness, romantic/sexual success, and just a shit-ton of things people simply don't care about protecting.

masterdarthrevan · 2022-07-07T22:37:27+00:00

Because we live in a gynocentric society?

user-and-abuser · 2022-07-07T22:47:52+00:00

The war on men is clearly an active thing. If we start holding women accountable and responsible that means that might trickle over to the politics.

Wakka_Grand_Wizard · 2022-07-07T23:07:35+00:00

Because misogyny is illegal in most places but not misandry 🤷🏻‍♂️

FreedomAnarchist88 · 2022-07-08T05:17:14+00:00

Because we live in a matriarchal society. Most people are to brain dead to know it

IndividualFox974 · 2022-07-08T11:06:01+00:00

Well, there has been a research.

The research showed that men had no bias towards other men, but, they had a positive bias towards women.

Which is pretty true. Violence against women are taken more seriously. Women are given more sympathy and care. Women, children and old people are the top priority when it comes to rescue operations.

The empathy gap, is actually real.

So it is not that much surprising when misandry is not taken seriously at all.

The fact is that most people just don't care about men.

I think that's why misandrists gets a free pass.

DavidByron2 · 2022-07-07T14:27:21+00:00

Because we live in a sexual apartheid state?

KingKlob · 2022-07-07T18:05:49+00:00

It's simple. Because men don't matter

humansomeone · 2022-07-07T17:17:41+00:00

Did you even read that post? It doesn't refer to all men, only two groups who are clearly misogynistic.

AndyBrown65 · 2022-07-07T14:55:43+00:00

Misandry is normalized because society needs tough men. Misandrist attitudes push men to try harder.

Society needs women to think they are important, therefore any message other than “women are wonderful “ is frowned upon

Inner_Cap_9457 · 2022-07-07T18:46:32+00:00

Just listen to the top comment from youropinionsaredumb. Most of these comments are just victimizing themselves. Claiming with no credibility that “mens rights aren’t on the same side as women” or that “you have to be communist or a nazi to these people” ???

Everyone’s life sucks. Some peoples lives suck more. That’s the reality of the world, but everyone (including men and white people) want their life to suck the most. Maybe they do, but I’m betting they don’t

Albino478 · 2022-07-08T08:28:40+00:00

Good luck guessing what I wrote lol

HoosDare · 2022-07-08T13:15:57+00:00

Many people, including the people that run this website, actually do believe men can't be the victims of sexism and white people can't be the victim of racism. These aren't fringe groups being radical, it is mainstream feminism.

Title	Why isn’t misandry treated the same as other forms of online hate?
Author	NeoNotNeo
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Date	July 7, 2022 12:48 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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