I understand feeling sad, lonely or even suicidal but I don’t understand blaming it on someone let alone an entire gender.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-09-06T21:50:06+00:00

No rants

06534956 · 2022-09-06T20:03:54+00:00

Life gets a lot harder when you have to acknowledge your own shortcomings, make changes, and stop shifting the blame.

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-09-06T21:15:46+00:00

Go talk to women who blame everything on "muh patriarchy " lol

parahacker · 2022-09-06T21:16:58+00:00

If "women are just socialized to take more responsibility for our own emotions, and apparently everyone else's", then, well, I guess all I can say to that is...

you do an utterly shit job at both.

Chalkie_ · 2022-09-06T20:10:15+00:00

Isn't this entire post you blaming your problems on other people?

Sad_Entertainer6312 · 2022-09-06T20:09:48+00:00

It's easier to blame others for your woes vs self reflecting and blaming yourself.

Social media is also incredibly toxic and in my view it's similar to windows shopping in many ways. It shows people what they could have, and tells them they are missing out on certain things on life. This makes people miserable as they feel they deserve things without working for them.

ApplesauceThegod · 2022-09-06T19:55:21+00:00

Literally for about the last 5 decades so many women have literally blamed everything wrong in their lives on men or men as a class

I grew up surrounded by predominantly women and it really does show how they view men

2022-09-06T20:41:43+00:00

When a whole gender rejects and belittles you, it's easy to do so. But a woman simply doesn't face quite the same level of rejection a man faces, so I understand where you're coming from.

ruthofhades · 2022-09-06T21:01:49+00:00

I don't know if you consider "you get what you deserve" to be blaming anyone, but that is my general opinion about women these days. Especially women who go on those "boss bitch" or "proud to be a bitch" modes. If you're gonna act like a bitch, you're gonna get treated like a bitch - end of. IMO, the proportion of women acting that way is steadily increasing, so the result is increasing too.

Now having said that, I personally don't blame the entire gender because I know plenty of women who aren't bitches. So they don't get treated like bitches by me. It helps that I curate the women in my life, I personally don't keep women I don't like around me. I guess that could go along with that point about the guy who got you fired. The fact of the matter is I have a good social standing and privileges due to my financially successful family and personal career success. If I have the power to remove someone from my life, even if that means getting them kicked out of my workplace or condo or social group - I'll do it. Haven't had to do it yet, but I wouldn't have a problem with it. Plenty of women do things "just because they can and don't need no one's approval", so why can't I?

EasternToe3824 · 2022-09-06T20:20:29+00:00

I understand being scared in the dark but don‘t blame it on an entire gender.

abaxeron · 2022-09-06T21:02:24+00:00

To this day, Mary Wollstonecraft is venerated as the mother of the feminist movement, and her writing "A Vindication of the Rights of Woman", "was a ground-breaking work of literature which still resonates in feminism and human rights movements of today". Mary Wollstonecraft promised that educating girls together with boys will make those girls, when they grow up and become women, better partners of men:

"Would men but generously snap our chains, and be content with rational fellowship instead of slavish obedience, they would find us more observant daughters, more affectionate sisters, more faithful wives, more reasonable mothers — in a word, better citizens."

Today, two centuries and almost three decades later, "more observant daughters" openly mock and ridicule their fathers, "more reasonable mothers" abort the equivalent of a small nation annually, "better citizens" vote for wars that they'll never be drafted into and for initiatives and projects that they'll never be forced to contribute to or pay for; "more faithful wives" initiate the vast majority of divorces - not always the most prominent, but the most universal and persistent predictor of suicide in men.

Speaking of wars, Austrian feminist and representative of women's movement Rosika Schwimmer promised in 1915, during WW1, that giving women the right to vote will prevent WW2:

"We European women think suffrage, when it does come, will end all wars."

WW2 happened, started with one country with female suffrage attacking another country with female suffrage, and took several dozen million lives. The amount of women conscripted into battle roles on the basis of their sex was zero. The last country to give women the right to vote was Saudi Arabia in 2013; one year later The Independent reported that of the sample of 162 countries, only 11 were completely free from participation in military conflicts.

Second-wave feminists promised that giving women equal opportunities in the workforce will make them financially independent from men, allowing them to marry out of love, which will ultimately result in more loving and harmonious families.

Available estimates of forcible wealth redistribution in women's favor by the state show $150k in a lifetime in New Zealand, approx. $300k in Denmark, and more than $1million in Norway. (NZ paper also gives a graph for the US, but relatively outdated) And we DO have numbers showing that this forcible redistribution, same as over-inflated state apparatus, started with women's suffrage. Something that was supposed to end all wars instead.

Speaking of "choosing men out of love", significant share of women chose no-one, which is mirrored both by dropped rates of marriage and elevated rates of single motherhood. Worldwide.

I could give several more failed promises (such as Temperance Movement's promise that prohibition will reduce violence).

Enter young men of today.

Born into reality where marriage is a joke, love is a transaction, children are a luxury, divorce is an industry, career is a way for women to sponsor this industry and benefit from its services, and an average girl by age 16 or so believes that men worldwide, collectively, without means of long-range communication, continuously decided to enslave and rape women into submission for the last 10 thousand years.

ALL of this because WOMEN WANTED IT SO.

Why are you surprised, again?

PS.

the guy who told his dad to fire me from my first job because I didn’t talk to him in high school

If you want my "deep male analysis" of this situation, there are at least 15 details you are not telling us. We can't give you an honest explanation when all we have is your side of the story.

MarBitt · 2022-09-06T20:12:23+00:00

Feeling depressed or wanting to hurt or even kill yourself makes as little logical sense as feeling angry and wanting to hurt others.

It's just about whether you turn your negative emotions towards yourself (inwards) or towards others (outwards). There is no logic in that.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2022-09-06T21:17:58+00:00

Men vent about their problems here because it's one of the only places they can do so /thread

Kappador66 · 2022-09-06T21:14:22+00:00

I think many men resent the power women have over them and their lives.

That's what motivates many to try and control female sexuality because in a way it allows them to keep their own sexuality more manageable.

Stop_Maximum · 2022-09-06T20:45:09+00:00

Some people are out of touch and are unable to deal with their emotions. Sorry that happened to you. The person will get back his karma

mrgoodbarxxx · 2022-09-06T21:08:37+00:00

Men absolutely should not blame women. They need to learn to look inward. Men were broken way before this modern environment, it just was not talked about.

That research by Dr. Gatos is pretty spot on. I think there needs to be a lot of self reflection and work done on themselves. If they fix that, they might get the outcomes they want.

That’s not to say that women are completely blameless, because they are not. But largely the issues start and end with men. If they leveled up, they will have no problems attracting the opposite sex.

neverforever3838 · 2022-09-06T20:25:49+00:00

How is this different than the constant parade of complaints that feminism presents?

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CocoBabeinNYC · 2022-09-06T20:31:34+00:00

Until you own your shit, process it and leave it by the side of the road, it will continue piling up inside you and making a pretty stinky cologne.

Bekiala · 2022-09-06T20:40:53+00:00

Ugh. What was going on in high school that you wound up on the streets?

parahacker · 2022-09-06T21:14:29+00:00

Mods, OP is making an assertive claim, and framing it as a question. This should be a CMV, not a QFM

Warm_Gur8832 · 2022-09-06T21:27:03+00:00

In truth, I think a lot of men are codependent and terrified of women leaving them or not picking them because there’s very little social support for adult men beyond a partner; you’re raised to see yourself as being in a competition with everybody else- which makes it difficult to ask for help or form any other human relationships.

The blame game is really just fear of abandonment all the way down.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2022-09-06T21:39:10+00:00

A lot of times we get stuck on the whole AWALT because of one-too many failures, and eventually theres a point where that one specific rejection will be the straw that broke the camel's back.

I'm sorry those incidents happend to you. Based on the two examples you gave in the OP, I would say those are special outliers from men that just seemed to be insane. To be rejected is one thing, but the guy who wanted to get you fired even though he never spoke to you is something else. The SA one is worse. Trust me, men who are normal wouldn't result to things like those for the fact they felt you were ignoring them.

unloader71 · 2022-09-06T21:39:16+00:00

He was just a rich entitled ass like a lot of guys at my school, but thought he was allowed to treat people (specifically women) like garbage because he was ugly.

Eye for an eye, my friend.

I’ve been rejected. I’ve been sad. I’ve been suicidally depressed because size 4 is “too fat” and men only want a size 00. But I don’t understand taking that out on anyone. By what logic do you blame others, especially people who don’t know you/never met you, for your OWN emotions and self perception?

Don’t compare yourself with others and downplay things they go through, you have no idea.

Karmanger · 2022-09-06T21:49:18+00:00

Sounds like a Rich guy problem. Average men wouldn't say size 4 is too fat.

Title	I understand feeling sad, lonely or even suicidal but I don’t understand blaming it on someone let alone an entire gender.
Author	catniagara
Upvotes	11
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Date	September 6, 2022 7:52 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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