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Teachers Are Hard-Wired To Give Girls Better Grades, Study Says

EightyJay

October 18, 2022
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Title Teachers Are Hard-Wired To Give Girls Better Grades, Study Says
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EightyJay

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Date October 18, 2022 6:22 AM UTC
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[–]aerial_coitus 423 points424 points425 points 3 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link

Everyone is hard wired to give girls and women better everything.

[–]MGTOW_Theory 137 points138 points139 points 3 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link

Its function of sexual dimorphism. Boys treated harshly to achieve more.

[–]IanHawkess1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

I mean, it’s partly why we achieve more as a group. We’re given more direct, critical and honest feedback. You ever tried being as direct to a woman as you’d be to a man? Good luck with that.

Ironically, the very thing that might make women better at stuff is the very thing we’re not socially allowed to do.

[–]Rupaism 53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

That's why i think most women are average while men tend to be both the dumbest and smartest. Lack of criticism makes even the dumbest woman be at the level of the smartest, which can't use her potential without negative feedback. For men the bad ones are just hit while down and the good are given the needed help through criticism.

[–]BCRE8TVE 41 points42 points43 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

I mean yes and no. There's also plain just more variation for men in terms of physical capability and intelligence, more geniuses but also more morons.

It actually comes down to male disposability. In evolution you want the women to be safer to have more children, so they cluster around the safe middle ground. Men are disposable, so they have more diversity. That way, if evolution requires dumb brutes to survive, they will and the smart weaklings will die off, but if the intelligence is required then those men will survive to pass on their genes and the dumb brutes will die off.

Point is the women must remain safe to have children with whatever men survive after facing the environment. It's natural and sexual selection.

[–]IanHawkess1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

The greater male variability hypothesis indeed. It is, however, still a hypothesis. I imagine, like just about everything else, there’s a degree of nature and nurture involved. We are, of course, only allowed to discuss the possibility of the latter. The first may give rise to some inconvenient conclusions…

[–]BCRE8TVE 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I mean it's a hypothesis, but as far as hypotheses go there's basically no other one that explains the situation quite as well. If it's true then it will be true for any sexually dimorphic species, and it matches exceedingly well with male animals in nature, with for example male birds who must parade around with colourful plumage to attract female attention, while that same plumage makes them exceedingly easier to be targeted and eaten by predators.

There is of course nature, nurture, and society, but that is built on top of a basic biological fact.

The first gives rise to very inconvenient conclusions, but it does not unfortunately invalidate the finding that intelligence is in some way genetically inherited. It's not a race thing per se, but there definitely is a genetic component still.

The counter to that, of course, is that we don't really have a good way to actually measure intelligence overall, and there are many kinds of intelligence that just cannot be measured or tracked.

The end result should be that everyone ought to be given an equal chance to shine, but the end result will be that not everyone will shine equally, and that's ok.

[–]IanHawkess1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Heretic! 😂Just kidding, but you’ve just outlined the position of ‘equality’ (of opportunity). That isn’t good enough for our social engineers, who demand ‘equity’ (equality of outcome). Agree with the rest of what you say entirely, btw

[–]BCRE8TVE 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Life's more fun with some heresy ;)

I hear you on our overlords the social engineers. There is some merit to equity, in that not everyone starts at the same place, but the problem is they can't really actually make equity happen, so instead they focus on equality of outcome, and assert that if equality of outcome hasn't happened then it's because equity hasn't been achieved. It just completely ignores the fact that different people will come to different results and that is perfectly OK.

It's like there's a whole bunch of really enlightening social concepts that would be absolutely fantastic if we could make it happen, but there's just no practical way to get there without having some kind of totalitarian government in control of everything to force these changes to happen.

If the concepts are fantastic in theory, but impossible to actually implement, then they're just wasting time, effort, and money. They settle on equality of outcome then, which wastes time, effort, and money, and both stifles the progress of those who would do better, while simultaneously propping up those who would do poorly, and making it more difficult to actually separate those who are good at doing something from those who are not.

So yeah, modern leftist identity politics is a mess.

[–]IanHawkess1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Eloquently put. 👏

[–]Foxsayy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It also might just be because males only get one of each sex chromosome, meaning whatever traits are encoded tend to get expressed without being moderated by a corresponding gene.

[–]BCRE8TVE 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

That's only applicable to the Y chromosome, which is much shorter and has far fewer genes than the X chromosomes. The Y chromosome mostly codes for testosterone instead of estrogen, and testosterone acts on the expression of literally thousands of other genes.

Basically the Y chromosome doesn't really code for much of anything else on its own, it just changes how the rest of the DNA is expressed.

There definitely are some important genes on the Y chromosome, but on its own it isn't responsible for the variability in male capability because it's not moderated by a corresponding gene.

[–]Foxsayy 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The X is also unmoderated, unlike other chromosomes.

[–]BCRE8TVE 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I mean yes, and the Y chromosome also mutates faster than the X chromosome, but again though the Y chromosome contains only about 200 genes. The biggest impact the Y chromosome has is how it affects the expression of other genes on other chromosomes, mostly through testosterone. It's not that testosterone is made from the Y chromosome, it's that the Y chromosome has genes that promote the production of testosterone from the DNA of other chromosomes.

Biology is mad complicated yo ;)

[–]Foxsayy 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely, biology is wildly complex.

I'm not talking about the consequence of the Y-chromosmoe being unmoderated, I'm talking about the implications of the X chromosome being unmoderated.

The X-Chromosome appears to have a potentially significant influence on Intelligence. Excerpt below.

Of course, this doesn't mean that the X-Chromosome definitely plays a large role, but it is indicative that it may.

Although the intelligence quotient (IQ) is the most popular intelligence test in the world, little is known about the underlying biological mechanisms that lead to the differences in human. To improve our understanding of cognitive processes and identify potential biomarkers, we conducted a comprehensive investigation of 158 IQ-related genes selected from the literature. A genomic distribution analysis demonstrated that IQ-related genes were enriched in seven regions of chromosome 7 and the X chromosome. In addition, these genes were enriched in target lists of seven transcription factors and sixteen microRNAs. Using a network-based approach, we further reconstructed an IQ-related pathway from known human pathway interaction data. Based on this reconstructed pathway, we incorporated enriched drugs and described the importance of dopamine and norepinephrine systems in IQ-related biological process. These findings not only reveal several testable genes and processes related to IQ scores, but also have potential therapeutic implications for IQ-related mental disorders.

[–]aerial_coitus 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ironically, the very thing that might make women better at stuff is the very thing we’re not socially allowed to do.

Very good point.

[–]Frequent-throwAway 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anytime I'm direct with women, almost always, they get defensive and bitchy.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Women and children first, right?

I'm odd one who doesn't give a fuck.

[–]MGTOW_Theory 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No, I'm speaking about sexual dimorphism.

[–]Razorbladekandyfan 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is bullshit.

[–]MGTOW_Theory 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its called science.

[–]duckyboys8 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Just look up the rise in female college professors from the 90s to 2000's in all states ....Scary

[–]Starforce2005 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not hard wired, I don't agree with biological determinism, culture could change.

[–]RabidusRex 83 points84 points85 points 3 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

It's the 'Women are Wonderful Effect" in action. It's well established through many studies. If you put a female name on your school exams and job applications, you will get better grades and more job interviews. It's not even up for debate at this point.

The crazy thing is (due to cognative dissonance) that Feminists by and large have convinced themselves that the opposite is true, despite all of the hard evidence.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They go to study it many times, and shut down the study when they get exactly opposite results.

Same with google investigating the pay gap and finding out that, when accounting for experience/qualifications/performance that women were out-earning their male peers.

So since they didn't find "the right kind" of sexism, they shut down the investigation.

[–]RabidusRex 15 points16 points17 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

This kind of "science" is commonplace now. It's pervasive in many ways. Most people are not looking for the truth, they're looking to be RIGHT, to be validated by someone else.

Facts get twisted around in every possible way, to the point when most people are not even concerned with the truth....

They're only concerned about 'fitting in' ..... even if it's detrimental.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's so weird, because my idea of "always needing to be right" is changing your mind in the face of evidence that contradicts the previous belief, i.e., changing to be right when you're proven wrong.

Took way to look to realize there's people who just refuse to accept new information and pretend they're right, or lie/cheat to be 'right' or whatever to 'win' the social engagement. These people disgust me, and should disgust everyone.

[–]RabidusRex 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

well said.

my idea of "always needing to be right" is changing your mind in the face of evidence that contradicts the previous belief

I like the way you put it. Do you mind if I borrow this statement? It's my kind of philosophy!

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You're welcome to it!

Doesn't quite work with the common understanding of "needing to be right" tho...

[–]RabidusRex 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I undertand what you're saying, haha.

[–]duckyboys8 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah just look at any statistic like female college professors

[–]israfildivad 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Christ Its like an infinity mirror lol. Its the same reason why they are bending scientific findings or avoiding studying the issue as behind the bending of female grades. Men are doomed. Its likely partially the tangible result of decades of goonifying men in the media, from Homer and Bart, to Phil and Luke.

[–]RabidusRex 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh that's a great metaphor! I'd argue that the majority of people in general these days are'nt much more than byproducts of social engineering. Generations of social engineering.

[–]WeEatBabies 168 points169 points170 points 3 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This is the first feminists-matriarchal power structure men and boys encounter, and we need to remove it.

[–]Low_Cranberry_4024 66 points67 points68 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

and it starts and the very beginning of outer lives.

fancy that.

[–]WeEatBabies 31 points32 points33 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep they need to crush our spirit early.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Torturing genitals goes a long way to accomplish this.

oh, we do that to only boys, too. WADAYAKNOW

[–]rabel111 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right after their mums cut their penises, to make them more fashionable?

[–]beleidigtewurst 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I doubt you can remove it, but at least not letting ridiculous "girls are oppressed at school" bullshit cover the reality is what should be doable.

[–]Throwawayingaccount 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This is the first feminists-matriarchal power structure men and boys encounter

It's an early one to encounter sure, but the FIRST one is probably having the foreskin chopped off.

[–]Eadweard85 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m definitely not for circumcision but it’s prevalence isn’t because of feminism. Kellogg thought it would prevent masturbation and it just kind of became a normal thing.

[–]Eadweard85 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s one of the many reasons I support gender-segregated education.

[–]Drewbus 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it would be impossible.

I caught myself doing it all the time when I was a teacher. And I was conscious of it and trying not to

[–]swejap 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why, what happened?

[–]Drewbus 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's just the attitude when someone asks for help. My first instinct is for the 16/17 yo to man up. But when a girl asks, I think "oh how can I help you, honey?"

I tried unwinding that for years

[+]prilexx -22 points-21 points-20 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would you remove it? You wanna turn boys into girls? Let them suffer man, this makes you harder.

[–]YDontUJustBringItOn1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

boys should suffer to make them strong

Not working. We've been putting boys through a horrible amount of shit for decades and look where it has gotten us with suicide rates, dropout rates, incarceration rates, and so on.

[–]prilexx 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think grades will do anything like that tbh. Shit parenting may tho... It teaches them that world is unjust. If this was issue on how psychologists and therapist tend to show more compassion towards women then men with same exact issues (which is factual) than I would agree. These type of small unjust things won't cause any significant harm to the kids while it makes him tougher. Remember, it's the same gender that is expected (and in my opinion should do so, myb I'm too traditional) to die protecting their girl/wife and kids. If he can't go through "Oh I got worse grade then Tiffany even though we knew same things" then idk bro, that kid will jump of the bridge once he realises that he has dick in-between his legs, not a pussy... Or he'll just say he is now a woman, that is a possibility as well nowadays.

[–]ANUS_CONE 46 points47 points48 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

My lab partner was Japanese (and female) in cell biology, circa 2009 or so. She was brilliantly smart but understandably, grammar and writing was really hard for her because Japanese and English are super different ofc.

Fast forward to our midterm lab report, I helped her with hers in the library. We did the same experiments together, had the same data, all of the info in our reports was the same. Tbh, I nearly rewrote her paper for her, so I know how similars ours were. She was given a 98% and I was given a 63. I inquired with the TA who did our labs and was given the “we don’t discuss grades” line. Took it up with the dean, and at that point she threatened me with academic dishonesty because I looked at my lab partners grade.

Same thing happened in our final lab report. We got 2 lab grades all semester and labs were 50% of our grade. I made 85+ on all four exams and should have had an A in the class but barely scraped by with a C because of the abysmal lab grade that I feel like I was just arbitrarily given. I can distinctly remember 3-4 of the other males in the class that I knew complaining about similar stuff.

[–]Column_A_Column_B 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Man I wish you called his bluff.

"Do it dean. You might be able to cost me my degree but I will cost you your prestige and your job if you don't back down."

[–]ANUS_CONE 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The dean was the tenured professor who was teaching that class. The TA was the one running the labs.

[–]Column_A_Column_B 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Even better...

[–]ANUS_CONE 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

TBH that class burned me completely out of pursuing med school. I started out as a biochem major and had aced all of the chemistry/physics. Biology was always harder for me than physics and chemistry, but I had worked really hard (B in bio 1, scraped an A in bio 2, genetics felt way easier to get an A) and going into that semester knew that Cell was the class that ended up killing so many people's hopes and dreams. I got there and worked really hard and felt like I did everything to succeed in it but got the rug pulled out from under me for arbitrary reasons.

I already had all of the math that I needed for a computer science degree, and really really enjoyed the economics elective that I had just taken, so I ended up swapping majors to science Econ with a minor in CS. (You could do BBA econ, bachelor of arts econ, or science econ. BBA econ required accounting/finance/management business classes, arts required a lot of sociology, science econ requires a minor and is generally more math and statistics based). I don't regret any of it at this point, because I've really enjoyed the career I fell into and I do believe that I would be constantly anxious if I worked in the healthcare field. But yeah, this was 13-14 years ago at this point. I'm sure it's worse now.

[–]duckyboys8 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf! I would have gone public with that BS bro

[–]McMarineLieutenant 151 points152 points153 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"GiRlS dOn'T eNtEr HiGh PaYiNg FiElDs BeCaUsE sOcIeTy DiScOuRaGeS tHeM"

🙄

[–]duckyboys8 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Social engineering

[–]Huffers1010 61 points62 points63 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I thought this has been common knowledge for years.

[–]IronJohnMRA 37 points38 points39 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not exactly. There was research starting ten years ago. But outside of the MRM, it's doubtful anyone cared about it.

https://ncfm.org/2012/12/news/discrimination-news/discrimination-against-men-news/female-teachers-give-male-pupils-lower-grades-claims-study/

[–]duckyboys8 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not for me.....

[–]jjj2576 20 points21 points22 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Former Teacher here. The VP of the Student Government, an organization I supervised, was female. She plagiarized her final paper in my class.

I did what I always did when a student plagiarized— gave her a Zero and wrote a note on the paper that it was plagiarized.

The principal didn’t believe me. The kid’s paper was literally copied from a Wikipedia article.

[–]duckyboys8 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Anyone that went to college knows women are the majority and thus have more resources to cheat....

[–]Fast-Mongoose-4989 60 points61 points62 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not surprised.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

From Forbes too… wow

[–]Drakethepirate 69 points70 points71 points 3 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link

I experienced it myself 30 y ago. Most teachers are old women who think girls are going to struggle to find a job because they think to be inferior to men or they are just psychotic feminists who believe in an oppressive patriarchy. Girls are given much higher grades so they can have higher chances to get a job, not because they are any good. It's still happening today, girls are being given high scores for free. Disgusting

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago [recovered] (38 children) | Copy Link

And absolutely not because boys are being clowns in class and not doing their homeworks neither studying for their tests, right?

[–]Drakethepirate 49 points50 points51 points 3 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Girls do that too, boys' behavior doesn't inflate girls' grades though. I have interviewed young girls with high grades myself and I can confirm this kind of discrimination against boys is still happening.

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link

Bahahaha I think you're getting Alzheimer, it must have been too long since you have stepped a foot in school, honey!

[–]Drakethepirate 30 points31 points32 points 3 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

There is a reason why I already told you are toxic and don't understand things. You can go cry in your radical feminist community where more toxic people like you can talk about things without evidence and talk about social issues based on gut feelings. Bb

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Hahahahah ouin ouin ouin cry harder! The dude really thinks women are getting high grades for free 🤣 like the teachers sees 2+2=5 but give us the point

[–]Fearless-File-3625 38 points39 points40 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Someone who "cites" best answer on quora shouldn't comment on other's academic abilities. 🤣🤣🤣

[–]MelkorHimself 10 points11 points12 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're debating someone who uses a throw-away account. They're not here to argue in good faith. Don't feed the troll.

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Would you prefer science Norway? https://sciencenorway.no/gender-differences-school-and-education/maybe-now-we-know-why-girls-perform-better-in-school-than-boys/1891767

You're the one who asked for it

[–]Fearless-File-3625 22 points23 points24 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Table 2 presents mediation analyses of sex, puberty, and academic achievement (cf. Figure 1). The results in the upper part are not adjusted for social background or child characteristics at age 7. On average, boys performed .23 SDs less well in school than girls. Height development at age 12 mediated 28% of the effect of sex on academic achievement, whereas PDS at age 16 mediated 36%. Together, the puberty indicators mediated 56% of the sex differences in academic achievement and reduced the direct effect of male sex on academic achievement to -.10.

The lower part of Table 2 presents results adjusted for social background and child characteristics at age 7. Height development at age 12 and PDS at age 16 were the strongest mediators of sex on academic achievement. The puberty indicators could together explain 40% of the sex differences in academic achievement. This is somewhat less than in the unadjusted analyses and means that parts of the maturational differences could be explained by factors that were present before the onset of puberty.

So at best puberty difference can only explain between 40%-56% of difference in academic grading. Apart from that I don't think the study accounted for the equal work by the students.

​

Since you are so much into science and evidence:

Do teacher and classroom characteristics affect the way in which girls and boys are graded?

Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the techer does not know he is a boy (OECD) From kday 1 of early yers education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scores

I am sure you would give fair and unbiased assessment to these studies also. Surely a scientifically inclined person like you won't cherrypick studies that confirms your views to push a agenda. Right? 🧐

[–]MGTOW_Theory 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And what's your point?

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In your Norway article it literally begins with the issue isn’t gender this article contradicts your statement that males are biologically inferior because of grades?.. did you actually read the article?

And the Irish times also states social attitudes…. These are literally just supporting my point that men experience unfair treatment in the classroom and that social factors are at play

Clearly if women are so biologically superior than they aren’t sending their best to argue it

[–]Ko_oK_24685 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Great attempt at trying to ridicule the concept. What about more open to interpretation aspects of examination? Definitions in Science, extent of detail in Social Studies, steps mentioned in long calculations in Mathematics, literally anything in an English test.

[–]GoodeBoi 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alzheimer got me forgor 💀

[–][deleted] 38 points39 points40 points 3 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

"Teachers give higher grades to girls than to boys with the same academic ability" -- according to the study.

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago* [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

You're more likely to give better grades to good students who don't disturb class, than the clown who disturbs everyone while laughing and talking.

What IQ is required to understand something as trivial as this?

[–]wdean8358 40 points41 points42 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Don't forget that teachers are supposed to grade the paper in front of them and the content in that paper, not the person who has written it. They are supposed to be unbiased while grading.

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I know, but since they are humans and not robot, it's not always the case

(Some teachers don't make any effort to be impartial tho)

[–]RichardPurchase 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

… I don’t think you realize it, but you’re proving the point of the study with this comment.

[–][deleted] 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Top 10 worst arguments of all time.

“Oh yeah well huh you see the teachers are biased and therefore that proves me right”

Literal galaxy brain over here guys/s

[–]bfte2 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Careful, you're disturbing the class and being a clown!

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sorry teach It’s written in my dna since I’m male

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you’re just admitting that teachers are biased because boys = bad

And I guess we will just pretend rambunctious girls don’t exist because that would mean women aren’t angels

[–]Rupaism 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Use that same logic to explain the wage gap and you're sexist.

[–]duhhhh 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

studying for their tests

Then why when teachers couldn't fudge the grades in online standardized testing for final exams because of Covid, they programmatically had to lower boys grades so girls maintained the same advantage as historically...

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/girls-to-do-better-than-boys-in-calculated-grade-leaving-cert-exams-as-gender-trends-will-be-built-into-results-39454619.html

In order to make sure that the standardisation process works, there will be validation - including any necessary re-balancing to preserve girls' advantage on higher grades, as seen in previous years.

[–]throwaway3848282831 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I'd love to have your opinion on this :

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/08/tokyo-medical-school-admits-changing-results-to-exclude-women

[–]duhhhh 18 points19 points20 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also wrong. Do you see it being wrong at that school, but not most schools in most countries when the sexes are reversed?

[–]TyeDieKid 19 points20 points21 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you are fine example of the study tbh. Those teachers definitely bumped your grades up because you have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 8 points9 points10 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Why do you hate men and boys?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I literally go into class and add to it I give answers make discussion the teachers love me because I seem to actually focus and try and build a class room culture I even try and get other students to be involved and excited in class

I also have had to do group tests where we walk through a test as a group I’ve noticed that I and other boys get more marks for the same mistakes than girls do. Things like missing a bracket rather than a parenthesis is automatically a point off for me but not for the girls that I took the test with

I’ve actually taken tests where I did all the hard work on solving the problems and she copied off of my paper when I got the paper back I got a 95 while she got a 100 because my “handwriting was poor” yet he knew I got the right answers

[–]HungryDog1515 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right because the girls are paying attention and not passing notes back and forth about which cock they are goin to suck after class

[–]Drakethepirate 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's called benevolent sexism. In 2022 you feminists still accept women to be judged as inferior to men because it benefits you and your career. I pity you...

[+]InigoThe2nd -9 points-8 points-7 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

You’re getting downvoted but you’re partially right on this. A lot of guys just aren’t made for doing standardized tests. They’re good hands on problem solvers, but when it comes time to do something like stare at a paper or screen for 45 minutes some guys just can’t do it.

As a former gifted kid, I started having this problem early on. I almost failed spelling in the 5th grade because I couldn’t bring myself to do the “homework” of writing a bunch of words 5 times each. I already knew how to spell the words and so I didn’t think it was necessary to do the homework no matter how hard or how genuine they tried to convince me to do it.

Our school systems work on the premise that boys and girls learn the same way but that just isn’t true. I can’t really think of a good solution to this problem besides gender-segregated schooling with different curriculum but that’s a non-starter for obvious reasons.

[–]Fearless-File-3625 13 points14 points15 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Teachers mark girls higher for IDENTICAL work to boys (OECD study). Furthermore, a boy will receive 1/3 higher grade in reading tests if the teacher does not know he is a boy (OECD) From day 1 of early years education they also grade boys lower despite them objectively getting higher test scores

They will mark girls higher even if the work is identical.

[–]UnfurtletDawn 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

It's literally for the same tests. Girls get higher grades just because they are girls....

[–]InigoThe2nd -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

They may be the same tests, but did they get the same answers?

[–]UnfurtletDawn 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

"The gender gap is a common feature of education systems around the world. In standardized tests, girls tend to outperform boys in humanities, languages and reading skills, while boys tend to do better in math, but when grades are awarded by teachers, girls do better in all subjects."

You didn't read the article?

"Researchers compared the results of standardized anonymous tests taken by almost 40,000 15 and 16-year-olds in language and math with the grades the same students were awarded in classroom tests.

While the results of the anonymous tests followed the expected pattern, with girls outperforming boys in languages and boys doing better in math, in the non-anonymous classroom tests the girls scored higher in both subjects."

[–]Low_Cranberry_4024 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

food for though the "reading" and "languages" exams can't be anonymous becuase they can tell tge gender by the voice most of the time.

[–]duckyboys8 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmfao your experience doesn't apply to everyone else...☠️

[–]bfte2 47 points48 points49 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Next up on Forbes.com: "When it rains, people get wet!...."

It starts with something "harmless" like grades, then quickly turns into promotions and so much more.... Probably will take Forbes a few more years to find out, but it's progress?...

[–]Klappstuhl4151 25 points26 points27 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Somehow this will be chocked up to the patriarch expecting things from men/women, thereby making it a women's problem.

[–]hectorgarabit 29 points30 points31 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

This article mentions at some point that those are new findings or something like that. This is not true. A very large study conducted in all OECD countries by the OECD showed the same result about 10 years ago. Boys have been discriminated against by female teachers for decades.

[–]Amazing-Bit6140 21 points22 points23 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It also perfectly explains the difference in STEM participation.

Boys, whose grades suddenly jumped 10-20% due to the sexist bias being eliminated by defined right or wrong answers bypassing the teacher's innate sexism: "Oh, i must be good at math!"

Girls, whose grades suddenly dropped 10-20% due to the sexist bias being eliminated by defined right and wrong answers bypassing a teacher's innate sexist desire to give her a better grade: "Wow, i suck at math!"

[–]AndyBrown65 39 points40 points41 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Women are wonderful" effect

[–]Stephen_Morgan 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nowhere does it say that it's hard-wired, by the way. They suggest cultural causes.

[–]Rude_Amoeba_3918 6 points7 points8 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Never want to hear anyone ever say again that the education field is a patriarchal system.

[–]tofindnemo 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm a man and a teacher. I'll say that girls tend to do as they are told better than boys (to generalise) and I think that leads to some teachers marking favourably towards the ones they do like.

I've found that boys like to question authority more - which is a good thing as a society - but obviously frustrating when you're trying to crack on with the lesson.

[–]ARedditorCalledQuest 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For context, what age group do you teach?

[–]equalRights111 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Has anyone tried mentioning this in a feminist subreddit? Would be interested to see their response lol!

[–]SappySoulTaker 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird, they don't need better grades to get twice as many scholarship opportunities.

[–]killcat 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Remember most teachers are coming up through a feminist/progressive indoctrination program disguised as tertiary education, they are CONSTANTLY told that women are oppressed and need help.

[–]hai85rul 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Which basically means those sky high grades some females are having are not a true representation of their intelligence. Inflated grades due to the fact of them being females.

[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is due to gynocentrism in our society.

[–]NwbieGD 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

I always wondered if girls on average were simply better at subjective courses or teachers playing (maybe subconsciously) favourites. You see generally for objective courses more engineering geared, such as chemistry, physics, mathematics, etc, I generally had some of the highest grades with some guys in my class, girls could generally not even get close especially with a class average. I also wondered if it was a mostly interest thing and effort put in however I also wondered if that was really the case. Especially when I checked/saw some reports and presentations for those other classes. This might explain that from a different perspective...

[–]AllowFreeSpeech 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

They weren't. As per the article, girls performed better than the boys in anonymous standardised tests of language, while the boys were ahead at maths. The teachers, however, put the girls in front in both subjects.


Disclaimer: I believe in equal opportunity.

[–]NwbieGD -1 points0 points1 point 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Edit, guy above me edited his comment it previously said

Says the girl who didn't read the article

Edit finished ...

I'm a guy, I got better grades at maths and similar then the girls in my class, because it's objective, I find it weird how someone can score math or even physics subjectively.

Read my comment again instead of skimming it.

I think neatness plays a role but I always told teachers to kiss my ass since that's not evaluating the subject. I tend to argue with a teacher if I feel they are judging based on hidden factors, such as neatness. I told them if they want that they should mention it upfront but I also told them that for a mathematics test or physics test that's absolute nonsense to judge.

If you get 100% correct on math you get 100% correct, the method doesn't matter if not specified. There are no verbal questions or subjective ones, and if there are subjective questions the test was designed horribly.

What I expect is happening is that girls get given more points for intermediate steps, well simply remove that and just score them on right or wrong, harsh but consistent and fair to everyone, or use correction sheets made for each exam. Generally speaking for math there are correction sheets that have to be followed exactly in my country in highschool, especially with standardised tests. Therefore math can just about only be judged objectively.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 9 points10 points11 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for sharing.

I've tirelessly pointed out this issue in the many posts here (and elsewhere) about Richard Reeves new book "Of boys and men" in which he claims that this effect is negligable.

[–]AllowFreeSpeech 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

The effect is anything but negligible. The article notes that the effect can be the difference between pass and fail! In maths, the average grade for the girls was 6.3, while the boys averaged 5.9, which is below the pass mark of 6. In contrast, in anonymised standardised tests, the boys were ahead at maths.


Disclaimer: I believe in equal opportunity.

[–]shit-zen-giggles 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, chill. I'm with you. I think you misread / misunderstood my comment. I'm on your side and fully convinced that the gender grading gap is real.

Go through my post history and check it yourself.

see here for an example: https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/y08nk2/the_trouble_with_men_how_the_modern_male_has/irqwvoc/?context=3

[–]thewindburner 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Interesting read but the bit near the end is a bit annoying!

"Researchers caution that the study was carried out on Italian students and there may be different reasons for the gender gap in other countries, and that they used grades awarded part-way through the school year, which may differ from the final grades."

Why only Italian students and why use grades from part through the year if that might not represent the year end grade!

It's like they have done a load of work but left two large "loopholes" that could easily be avoided!

[–]MaxTheCatigator 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Funding is limited. The first step is demonstrate that there is indeed something worthy of additional scrutiny, which just happened.

[–]noserotonyn 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So, wasn't feminism supposed to "free" men too?

[–]Davediedyeasterday 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

its also the cutticulum being anti-boy punishing physical activity and rough play along with fantasy and creativity in things rather than people

in english class its set in stone to do mostly personal narratives which obviously doesn’t intrest most boys

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's come to a point where faking being a girl seems viable

[–]Kookaburra-Chan 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This matches well with my personal experience. It's nice to hear this from a national publication. I know this doesn't fix the issue, but at least someone closer to the mainstream is pointing out there is an issue.

[–]johnnycockring2 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not surprising. One of the ditzy/dumbest girls in my school got straight A’s

[–]Rivershots 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My education was a complete joke.

[–]AllowFreeSpeech 2 points3 points4 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not only was it a joke, but it was also largely a waste of a dozen formative years. It's like throwing away 12/73 = 16% of one's life.

[–]zCheshire 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So they compared the mark of a single test to the overall mark for half a year?

The only thing that shows is that boys perform better on tests, which is something we already knew.

[–]DeathMetalGiggler 3 points4 points5 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Bitches! Ah, how the other half live! 😩

[–]MaxTheCatigator 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not really surprised. It's the same mechanism that gets men harsher court verdicts.

The crazy thing is that this creates a self-reinforcing spyral. Boys will perform worse due to the worse grades and sink even lower.

[–]DynamicCrab 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Landlords are also hard-wired to give girls lower rent rates lol

[–]yendorion 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Depending on the expected payment...

[–]techno_bm 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This reminds me of the whole "Women are funnier than men" thing. If this were true you wouldn't need people shoving the fact down people's throats. While it's unfortunate that they get an easy pass, the bright side is men accomplish far more in their lifetimes than women. This is the reason why there's far more male noble prize winners, leaders, grade A actors, etc than women. The only thing they got going for them is looks which can be seen with every woman turning to only fans now as an easy way out.

[–]kafka123 -5 points-4 points-3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I support this idea, but I'm honestly sick of the kind of victim culture in this subreddit. This is not simple sexism, this is overcorrection from a prior generation that penalized girls in the same fashion.

[+]bubbybyrd -6 points-5 points-4 points 3 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

If a boy and a girl give the same answer, they get the same mark. There's no bias.

[–]PizzaDelivery3131 points 3 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

sigh it must be a long time since you’ve been in school. reply and i’ll tell you my personal experience as a male student

[–]bubbybyrd 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Your mark is independent of everyone else in the classroom, if you have a problem you can discuss it with your professor/teacher. Blaming the other gender is nonsensical, it doesn't fix whatever mistakes you made.

[–]PizzaDelivery3131 points 3 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

i ran a poll on the class and another class, asking if they liked the teacher. most girls said yes, most boys said no

[–]bubbybyrd 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That doesn't mean that marking is unfair. You can dislike someone while still agreeing with the marking of assignments.

[–]PizzaDelivery313 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

did u even read the attached article

[–]duckyboys8 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not when there are reports, etc.....

[–]rlyfunny 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You just went tl;dr and said what you think, didn’t you?

[+]Positive-Ad-1859 -8 points-7 points-6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You guys are reaching.

[–]DeeeetroitSportsFan1 points 3 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's why I'll never accept a woman or African American doctor.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Get the fuck out of here

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I've seen multiple of these studies on this subreddit only and they all point to this same bias. Pair that with the fact that most teachers now are young women who are also pretty radical blue haired feminists most of the time and it should surprise anyone

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