"Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.

Blemish · 2013-12-18T02:07:46+00:00

Unless 4chan also trolled the Huffington Post, its fair to assume that the form is genuine

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/13/occidental-sexual-assault-reporting_n_4427844.html

PierceHarlan · 2013-12-18T04:49:31+00:00

THIS IS MY POST FROM 7 HOURS AGO ON THE DELETED THREAD:

No, no, no, no. It is never just to fight injustice with MORE injustice. I've long spoken out against radicals who do this to the presumptively innocent, and I have to do the same here. That is NOT the model we want to follow. We must never put a potentially innocent person in harm's way.

Examples of things I've taken issue with in the past:

▲Katie J.M. Baker, who claims she is someone who "writes and thinks about rape culture all day" defended the injustices created by the Steubenville Internet vigilantes to battle sexual assault. "Sure," Baker writes," internet vigilantism has some serious drawbacks — [one anonymous vigilante] has 'outed' numerous Steubenville residents whom they believe are involved with the case and deserve to be punished, and we currently have no way of knowing if many of their accusations are true — but . . . ." The "but" is chilling. To Baker, the injustice of outing possibly innocent people is worth it (to her, at least -- certainly not to the innocent who are outed) because it has focused the attention of many people on the rape "atrocity" in Steubenville (actually, it is an alleged rape atrocity -- the two boys charged have not had their day in court yet -- but, hey, why let little things like "due process" get in the way of a good rape harangue?).

▲For 17 years, the University of Maryland Clothesline Project allowed purported rape survivors to publicly display shirts with the full names of men they accused of rape written on them. Jennifer Pollitt-Hill, the executive director of the Maryland Coalition Against Sexual Assault, said a sexual assault survivor "can feel empowered by naming the perpetrator . . . ." Many of the women who scrawled names on shirts felt the justice system -- both the courts and the university judicial board -- was too lenient on perpetrators. "Victims feel like these things silence them," Pollitt-Hill said, "and there's no justice . . . ." The public discourse on this issue focused almost exclusively on the value to rape victims of writing names on shirts. Absent was an acknowledgment of even the possibility that there might have been more than one side to the story for at least some of the alleged rape claims. The university-sanctioned practice of branding presumptively innocent men "rapists" without the pretense of due process was only stopped when the school realized that the practice subjected it to civil liability.

▲In Columbus, Ohio, a Web site was set up to give rape victims a forum to post information about their alleged attackers. Flyers were passed out that said "Expose your rapist" and directed people to a Web site where they could list details about their attacker, including their names. The local prosecuting attorney gave this effort his quasi-imprimatur.

▲Feminist icon Germaine Greer is on record advocating something similar: "Speaking at the Cheltenham Literature Festival she said yesterday: 'I wish there were an online rapists' register and that it was kept up to date, because we know the courts can't get it right. When I say that to people, they get so scared, and say 'Oh you can't. What about privacy? Years ago I knew we would never get convictions in a court of law for date rape, so I suggested women kept an online dossier, so if a woman had a date with a guy and he did something to her, or frightened her, and she asked him to stop and he didn't, then instead of going to the police she should put him online. Other women could check this dossier, look up a guy and see that he has form. Then she can say no, or if she does go, goes knowing it's a high risk strategy.'"

▲Women in a feminist art class at the University of Maryland once plastered the campus with fliers last week listing the names of virtually every male student under the heading, "NOTICE: THESE MEN ARE POTENTIAL RAPISTS." The women also set up large posters containing all of the names on the grassy mall at the center of the campus. The project angered some men on campus. Several advocates of the signs, however, declared that the men's anger was the point. "I think it's admirable that men in this school have been saying the word 'rape' and are being angry at the same time," said Jessica True, 23, a freshman from Takoma Park.

▲A group at Oberlin College once posted signs identifying its first "rapist of the month" -- a male freshman -- despite the fact that the targeted youth had not been charged with any crime and was mortified by the signs because, he explained, he was not even sexually active. A female freshman told a reporter that she knew the male and didn't feel he did anything wrong, "but there's a part of me that is questioning him" because of the signs. The New York office of the Legal Defense and Education Fund of the National Organization for Women declined to comment on the issue.

▲Once at Brown University, a ''rape list'' scrawled on the wall of a library women's room named some 30 ''men who have sexually assaulted me or a woman I know.'' Some women were not happy that university janitors continually erased the names. One woman told a reporter that erasing the names reinforces the idea that ''women are to blame for their rapes. . . . I think the writing on the wall was these women's way of taking control, of taking action and saying what they needed to say.''

And no doubt there are many more examples of efforts to fight injustice with injustice by inviting women to defame innocent young men as rapists.

Let's not imitate that sorry model, please. To do so is an affront to the wrongly accused.

Some years ago, zealous victim's advocates insisted that women must have the unilateral right to define rape in whatever manner they see fit, regardless of the harm to the person accused. This attitude was manifested in Catherine Comins' quote: "To use the word ['rape'] carefully would be to be careful for the sake of the violator, and the survivors don't care a hoot about him.'" What Comins didn't bother to consider was the harm to innocent people when the word "rape" is not used carefully. Sorry, I will never emulate that -- it's downright evil.

johndoe42 · 2013-12-18T03:30:36+00:00

Bullshit. The biggest comments "encouraging" bad behavior were all long time contributring /r/mensrights members.

/u/blueoak9, whose account basically solely consists of comments in this subreddit, made the 100+ upvoted top comment "The quickest way to shut this one down is to anonymously report random women and let them sweat in the hot seat. This will be over before it begins."

/u/froggymorning, who had a 50+ upvoted comment noting that she filled out a false report is a longtime /r/mensrights member and has had comments with hundreds of upvotes.

/u/muffinizer1 also claimed to have "fun" filling one out. Also a long time MRA member (has had comments with 5-25 upvotes on this subreddit older than 20 days).

/u/whitethrone is also not a new MR member, who made the 20+ upvoted comment "Step one: Get a list of every 'Feminist' at Occidental College who supported this system. Step two: Anonymously report them for rape."

I know this looks pitchforky but you didn't have to lie about members of this subreddit's involvement in "encouraging bad behavior." I fucking hate revisionism and this subreddit needs reform badly. The "a few bad apples" defense is not going to work anymore.

rightsbot · 2013-12-18T00:20:17+00:00

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MRB2012 · 2013-12-18T07:38:22+00:00

Whatever you want to say about the reactions from various member of this sub, the form itself is authentic.

sillymod · 2013-12-18T19:55:59+00:00

Rather than deleting, how about freezing the thread with an alert and explanation ? If possible, would have been great.

FoundLacking · 2013-12-18T03:03:26+00:00

I will never understand what people hope to accomplish with this sort of behavior. We shook our heads in disbelief when we heard about the news stand that got thousands of dollars worth of vaguely sexual merchandise stolen, but when we see something we don't like we spam mass false rape claims. Baffling.

I hope that anyone that took part in that is able to step back and realize just how shitty their actions were. If we hope for the MRM to ever be taken seriously we should distance ourselves as far as possible from 4chan raid tactics. Feel free to go there in your free time if you want to, but you need to realize that the way they treat other people is often very mean spirited and completely unacceptable for a group that can't hide behind internet anonymity.

ibm2431 · 2013-12-18T15:16:59+00:00

/u/sillymod, how often are you the only mod on? The offending posts and comments lasted for much too long, and our detractors are (rightfully) calling us on it. Judging by their comment activity (which I'll admit is little evidence of true activity), some of our mods have vanished. I can't help but imagine how perhaps the situation wouldn't have blown up in our faces had a moderator been able to step in sooner. Does the sub need more mods?

lazlounderhill · 2013-12-18T19:15:17+00:00

This whole clusterfuck has only helped to cement the notion that the MRM uses 4chan as hatchet men here and elsewhere, and to anyone who participated in this dumbshit or supported/encouraged it - you need to own up to the fact that you have contributed to the villainization of the MRM here and elsewhere - so remember that the next time someone dismisses you out of hand the moment they view your comment history and see MensRights, and think twice before you let someone bait you into this kind of nonsense in the future. You're not helping, at all, when you do this.

sillymod · 2013-12-18T08:37:48+00:00

Well if it's any consolation I'm not here to troll, the reason my name has "shitlord" in it is because that's what SRS kept calling me when they doxxed my last account.

ThePigmanAgain · 2013-12-18T02:53:15+00:00

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Arby01 · 2013-12-18T08:12:03+00:00

The mods on this forum deserve kudos for having to walk a tightrope over lava. No matter which way the decision lands, it's always wrong.

Better to make a decision than hide.

Jonathan_Taylor · 2013-12-18T04:09:55+00:00

Looks like this thread is being hit by SRS and people who are against men having equal rights.

Eulabeia · 2013-12-18T04:21:57+00:00

I'm not pleased that you removed the post actually.

This is obviously upsetting all the psychotic SJWs because it's an effective way of fighting the bullshit of that anonymous report form. They all try to brag about how we never accomplish anything but then when we even come close to doing something they throw huge hissy fits like at the Warren Farrell talk.

They have no problem with falsely accusing people of things and then suddenly they want to act indignant when they are being used against them. Then they want to act like we are the ones being hypocrites? Fuck them.

BritishHobo · 2013-12-18T01:55:45+00:00

Awfully convenient that you can claim that nobody in your sub had any responsibility for a front-page post. Based on hearsay and assumptions, it was probably definitely absolutely the work of some totally unspecified and unknown trolls, and neither you nor your users have to face up to any responsibility for a horrible witch hunt that got hundreds of upvotes, along with comments from regular users.

Fucking shameless. You're a coward for passing the buck here and making up a defence for your users passed off as the facts of the situation. And you know it, too. You know your users did an awful thing, and you're making up lies to protect the sub's reputation. Fuck you.

ThePigmanAgain · 2013-12-18T03:18:30+00:00

I see no point to this deletion. The form is evil, and even though i made an accusation against the Easter Bunny, i have no problem with those who may -- or may not -- have used the real names of University staff. It goes around, it comes around. And as the people in charge -- both here and at the Uni -- would say, if you haven't done anything wrong you have nothing to fear. Right? Right?

iMADEthis2post · 2013-12-18T20:36:41+00:00

oo all the feminists in this post suddenly taking an interest in mens rights, you know like their movement claims they do. Oh wait no just a load of feminist shit eaters and victim blaming scum.

In other news, rule #1 of any ethical justice system: The accused has a right to face their accuser. That piece of shit system doesn't even give a name. I would not trust such a system with feminist activists they have already shown themselves to be disgusting people. This system would exist no where else for no other reason and be called sain and fair.

Do you know who hates women? Feminism hates women. It treats them like delicate little flowers forever stranded in childhood. With no accountability for their actions they turn into violent scum that the rest of society has no interest in. This mentality is all to common not just within feminists but their literature, their websites and there seem to be far too few feminists willing to actually accept there is a problem with their ideology and then they try to compare themselves to a civil rights movement like we are the opposite of them. The mentality makes me sick.

FitFedditFez · 2013-12-18T08:36:40+00:00

Never mind that 9 of the 10 accounts quoted in the Manboobz article are several months old (8 out of 10 are over a year old). You lying sack of shit.

Ivan_Fackoff · 2013-12-19T04:33:10+00:00

I suspect Marcccootee and her loyal RapeStory twizers... There are some blow back but nothing we can't fix.

jpflathead · 2013-12-18T00:56:13+00:00

ObligatoryConspiracyTheory already circulating by /u/orlytaitz at /r/conspiracytheorists: sillymod reveals he is clearly working for /u/BarackObama who was known as /u/BarrySoetero back when he was attending Occidental and telling everyone he was from Kenya.

notnotnotfred · 2013-12-18T00:58:04+00:00

ftr, I've been looking at the twitter timeline and I can't find where any of it (except this post) got to twitter.

o0tweak0o · 2013-12-18T11:01:32+00:00

And this is why this sub is a fucking joke. You actually removed this -- you won't remove jack shit that any feminist says or does ever, but you removed this.

Fucking tools, the whole damned bunch of you. Worthless fucking tools, cowards and cavers.

HAILGAYSATAN · 2013-12-18T04:06:40+00:00

The men's right movement embarrasses itself on a grand scale once more. Pathetic. This is why you'll never be taken seriously.

sillymod · 2013-12-18T14:35:14+00:00

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"Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.

Comments

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Apart from a few comments in a thread, do you have any real world evidence

Are you aware how problematic their form was?

I believe the following:

Once more: what precisely is your charge and do you have any evidence to support it?

Title	"Why did sillymod remove the Occidental College post?" Let me tell you why.
Author	sillymod
Upvotes	59
Comments	241
Date	December 18, 2013 12:18 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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